How to Punch Up & Widen the Drum Buss with The Electra by Kush
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2013
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UBK explains and demonstrates his unorthodox technique of eq'ing each channel of a stereo drum buss independently, in order to increase the illusion of space and width in a mix by maximizing contrast between the left and right channels.
As someone who just discovered your channel in 2020, Wow Gregory used to have short hair. I just assumed he was born with the flow.
Hahaha, I literally just had the exact thought. I have a massive crush on him and I don't know why and I can't help it.
@@jakobslabbert4559 ew that’s gay af 🤮
@@AceDeclan no need to be hateful dude
@@AceDeclan ew that's hateful af 🤮
@@AceDeclan wake up man, society has evolved. nobody tolerates that kind of hate anymore.
I'm sure you get this a lot, but I've learned more from... 20 videos this past week than I have in years.
Other people teach techniques, you teach philosophy.
Thanks for that!
I am coming back to this video every few days because it gained so much knowledge from it. From mixing technique to naming the sound, this video is pure educational joy.
all thats missing is some real kush to go along with this EQ and this track. high grade work bro.
I just smoked some to get the full effect
Diesel cocktail...
bars.
The way you demonstrate this in the context of a mix is very good. Makes the product that much more convincing - great salesmanship!
I first watched this video something like 7 years ago. I eventually bought a hardware Electra back then b/c I was so inspired by the intuitive and musical quality of both the EQ, as demoed in this vid, and Greg Scott, more generally. I rewatched this video today and was just as inspired. I'm a Film/TV composer, not an engineer, specifically. In today's market, it's not enough for composers to just WRITE great music; we also have to wear a second hat and produce beautiful sounds. I keep coming back to Kush b/c there's a beauty and musicality to everything Greg does and builds that speaks to the artist in me and helps me get closer to producing beautiful sounds. Respect.
Just used this video to better understand and use my Electra plug-in, and holy damn, what a difference in my mix. My go to EQ going forward. So much range of vibe! Hope you're well. I'd love more videos.
Unbelievable brand of equipment. This should be in every studios rack!
Well, we're clearly biased, but... we wholeheartedly agree!
Amazing how you manage to translate all the buzz words to specifical sounds. Very informative and of course awesome sounding unit
An incredible piece of aural beauty. Thanks Greg for bringing us fans of analogue new offerings in a world where (usually) volume rules over dynamics and transients.
This is by far one of the best analog gear demonstration videos with awesome engineering skills. I've learned a lot and hope to be able to afford some Kush gear one day! Great job!
Interesting I now use these videos as meditation to get me focused on writing pieces and how I want them to sound.....thank you! I'll be adding an Electra soon!
i love to see how much you enjoy this thing, also, helpful and quality video
Your videos, gear, and sound are awesome!
i already have the UBK Fatso and the Clariphonic and i am reallllllly tempted to grab one of these as well! it sounds amazing. so glad i finally got to hear it in action. i bet it would sound amazing on vocals, too.
Finally some show and tell, thanks so much guys! I downloaded the video from your Vimeo channel for best audio quality. Yet again you've managed to make a unique EQ, it sounds so refreshing. Again thanks alot for the video!
The concept of this video blew my mind.
The idea of just boosting the living daylights out a band and sweeping to learn the textures of that band on specific instruments has been a massive game changer for me. It sounds so rudimentary but I feel like the way many people learn eq nowadays is so technically focused that many people just use vague associations to describe a general band when they really haven't learned what that band sounds like on a particular source. This type of workflow seems so much more organic and I'm getting much more focused and mid rich sounds where before I was doing way too much subtractive stuff in the mids. I am curious if you tend to do this type of tone shaping before mixing/during the production phase because that seems to make sense to me. I feel like that way you'd be less prone to fill the mix with elements that muddy up the arrangement because the sounds are already speaking in a really full/focused way before you ever even do the mixdown. I'd be very willing to pay to good money just to see what your workflow looks like because I love the sound of your stuff. Even just seeing how you'd mix a really small session would be probably be really illuminating.
Wow Wow Wow! I love this eq and Gregory's system! Makes eqing much much easier.
Groovy mellow tune and very great sounding eq.. really does sound like an api with a little extra style (love the art deco look too!)
Amazing demo! I heard you on the URM podcast recently, and the name stuck while finding some recent vids you've uploaded. I'm learning a ton from your content, I hope you come out with more consistently! Just ordered the plugin subscription, excited to do some mixing tonight
Awesome! Thank you!
You have some of the coolest, sexiest videos on UA-cam! Thanks for your inspiration and technical guidance!
Coolest, sexiest, kind and never noisy!! ;-)
Your products and content are outstanding.
Great idea, sounds beautiful too, well done!
This thing still blows my mind
This is rad. Sounds like the filters are tuned to have just enough resonance to do that cool thing it's doing without really poking too much. If I was a mix engineer I'd be throwing money at you for this instantly.
That's exactly why the filters sound like that! The 'not poking too much' also comes from the proportional Q shape, the lower part of the skirt stays wide while the top of the bell gets resonant when cranked. Best of both worlds!
This is great stuff. More power to you!
Just picked one up today from Sweet Water :) My sales engineer David Hess took care of me!
Kush, the teacher. Listen and learn.
That was great. Sounds great. Great way to listen about things.
this content is gold
I liked so many different settings, I would have a hard time deciding which combo to stick with!
It really does become a game of choosing from among lots of good options!
This is an incredible hardware
Sounds great!
this guy is a true guru
That does it: Greg is on my 'bruh, mix at least one of my songs/albums' bucket list!
Someone start a "go-fund-me" in support of this initiative, STAT! 😂🎧🎶
#Diggin
Hymn
this is an EQ that does beautiful things
i am stunned! thank you so much!
Presets for the plugin version of Electra that demonstrate to various drum tones in this vid would be awesome!
very cool and very educational !
Well, that was 12 minutes well spent. I heard about this EQ from Sound on Sound magazine. I can't afford this... yet... but i learnt a lot... I'm gonna go try some tricks with software drums, splitting to left-right tracks and processing them with different impulse response (to simulate different mic/placement) and different EQ.
so nice sounding filters !!
Can’t wait to get a pair of these for 500 series. This is a major go to plugin for me.
The analog is such a HUGE step up man, you're gonna be shocked at the size and smoothness.
The House of Kush hot damn. I don’t doubt it. I have a pair of tweakers and they are literally one of the best gear purchases I’ve ever made, not only for the flavors they’ve brought to my mixes, but just how much damn fun they are. I’m a believer.
Would getting 2 of the 500 series work on master buss in stereo?
And do these work as main EQ, or more to compliment a standard buss EQ?
just checked some of the videos on this channel...what a good music taste. where can i find all of this stuff?
I've almost bought this unit so many times. It's top shelf, but I always get distracted by guitars, amps, comps. I need to jump on it.
You are just a very nice person for conversation I guess
Hi Greg can you share this amazing sound song, in a multitrack session if it possible
I am thinking about getting or the Bax EQ
How would you got about matching the left and right channels? It would be awesome if you had a stereo link switch that allows you to make changes on one side of unit but affect both channels equally - this would make it more useful on the final 2-Mix or for mastering
Amazing. Can you elaborate on how you mic'ed the drums for this? If you can be a little more specific, I'd greatly appreciate it! Are they summed 2 mono tracks using different mics placed right and left? Thanks so much.
Will you be doing a video on the DSP version?
Will there be a plugin version of The Electra? …I use the Clairphonic DSP all the time. I truly enjoy that thing. Of coarse, if I had the budget, I'd buy all of Kush's hardware.
That mix!
What a difference!
just wow....thats awesome
This Unit is absolutely magnificent, wtf
I'm a fan, I have one welded to my outboard drum buss and I constantly use the plugin on bass & guitars :-)
nice, I wonder how this piece will behave on more heavier music. I have a clariphonic and its an amazing product
Electric guitars LOVE this eq :-)
Check out the plugin version for reference!
ua-cam.com/video/h4P_WLj_gzY/v-deo.html
Hi.
I really liked this video :)
Would you tell how did you set up the mics for this recording?
peter
So, are you guys on the UAD platform soon? ;) This hardware beauty is top of the gear list though, may 2014 it wll be mine!
I love this EQ demo. In too many demos the user is being very timid with the controls. Here, Greg cranks each band to the max to find the sweet spots. This is exactly what I do to find "the good stuff" in a sound. That said... I do not like the super-wide sound he has going on for the drums. It doesn't sound natural. But that's definitely an artistic choice, and he's correct that it creates a huge hole in the center for a lead vocal or instrument melody. Cool EQ.
Awesome observations! And TBH I'm inclined to agree, if I were mixing this today I'd probably be pulling those drum channels in quite a bit tighter. I might even texturize them more aggressively (heavier saturation and more sharpness/crispness up top) and mix them mono, and just have the rhodes be the only wide element.
And 7 years from NOW, I'd probably do something else entirely, if I'm lucky enough to still be around and playing with sound!
Would there be any benefit to buying the rack version vs 2 500 series units?
Genuinely cannot decide between this and the parallel eq.. want both, can only afford one! 😤
I am torn between Electra and Elysia Xfilter for drum buss and mastering
Please tell me this tech..that the engineered use in the 70s on there drums...weather its a web site a book a person to take lesson.. or you can teach me ...please thank you...yours truly....William. Gupton
Greg can you please explain what " where the transients and harmonics overlap" means?
Hoping and wishing that you guys come up with some type of variation of this EQ that is better suited for mastering. I absolutely LOVED the sound of this EQ while I had it but recall was a pain in the ass (unless I used it in M/S mode).
Keep the faith, patience is always rewarded 😊
@@TheHouseofKushTV 👍🏽👍🏽💯💯💥 Can't wait. It will be the perfect complement to my Massive Passive.
@@TheHouseofKushTV super interested as well!
skilled man
Hi Gregory,
Love the channel and the work you do!
One thing about the Electra DSP plugin I don't quite get is the Oversampling. I checked in plugindoctor if Electra introduces harmonics and it doesn't. And when I activate oversampling it just raises and changes the noise floor a bit and of course cuts over 20k. It also starts preringing the IR so i guess you chose to use FIR... What exactly would be the benefit of using oversampling in Electra DSP? Because all I seem to get are unnecesary artifacts.
Oversampling changes the phase response, shape, and texture of any filter that bumps up against the nyquist. Whether you like those changes (or even care) is a matter of taste, but the sound is measurably and audibly different. The phase response of the highs, in particular, is less warped, and I generally prefer that. 😊
Can I ask maybe a dumb question, but are there any differences in sound or circuit between the rack Electra and the 500 series electra's. Thanks dude, love your channel.
Thanks man! There are absolutely no difference in the sound or circuit between our rack gear and our 500 modules.
@@TheHouseofKushTV Oh, sweet. Thanks brother!!! Stay safe! Keep up the sexy!!
Just incredible sounds so smooth and warm. How is it on vocals
It's super smooth on vocals, has a very modern feel to it so it pairs really well with a dirty compressor!
The House of Kush thank you
How did you record that Rhodes?
Hey Greg, are both drum busses hard panned in this scenario?
Yep!
sir, im confused, if we eq left channel lets say more low end and eq the right channel lets say more high end, wont it make the final stereo sound more low on left and more bright on right? or this is actually mid/side?
Not necessarily. If the left side started with less bass and the right side started with less treble, your hypothetical eq might actually balance out the spectrum. But I understand what you're asking, and my response is, "maybe, but if the music feels good then does anything else matter?" Put another way, your question seems to imply that imbalanced frequency spread is inherently a bad thing, but I do not believe that is true, I Iike contrast and variation in all its forms! But I do not say you are wrong, this is all taste and aesthetics, there are no truths. ☮️
How close are the plug-ins modeled after these boxes? I have the Omega plugs and they're very good in my opinion. But I haven't tried any of the Kush EQ or compressors. I intend to buy some Kush hardware in the near future, and I'm very tempted to subscribe to the yearly plan if their plugs sound even half as good as the hardware. Can anybody fill me in? I don't have time to demo everything, even though I know I should. Thanks in advance.
Every single one of our songs is slathered in Kush plugins. Just demo the Novatron compressor and Clariphonic EQ, that will tell you all you need to know :-)
I pre ordered for the January shipment and just keep going back to this video to satiate the unbearable wait before I get to make magic with mine. lol
Folks:
How would this stand up on the 2 bus as a EQ for the over all mix?
what name of music ?
good bass..
Is this hardware unit available as seen?
Amazing ! What was that twack fq ? 650 ? it sounds great
600 is one of my favorite freqs for drums :-)
is this the same two channel approach you used to make the clariphonic?
Electra eq
Can you explain a little more about the transient element of this Eq? Surely transients can appear anywhere on the frequency spectrum? I don't quite understand. Thank you.
Yes! Transients can (and do) appear across the spectrum. However, any given transient has 'pockets' of energy that are focused in specific areas, and this eq has a special way of drawing them out, enhancing them. Because it has no transformers or electrolytic capacitors in the audio path, it does not slow down transients or distort them in the least, giving the overall effect a very punchy, fast and tight character. Words can only take us so far though, there's a reason this eq is so popular on people's drum busses :-)
@@TheHouseofKushTV thank you so much for your explanation, makes sense, much appreciated!
Take my money
well obviously kush audio is great.
hELLO GREGORY your video is very interesting but all the terms you are giving the frequencies
,what instrument are they refered to ???? is that the all drum kit or are you just naming all different parts of the drum kit relative to what each part needs (your terms) eq wise ??? Thank you in advance for your answer and sorry for the longest question ever !!!!
No problems! The eq is only affecting the Left and Right drums, so all the changes you head (and the frequencies affected) are happening on the drums only :-)
The House of Kush so the attributes you were giving each spot encountered while turning the mobs was a description of what was happening to the all kit correct???
The House of Kush so the attributes you were giving each spot encountered while turning the mobs was a description of what was happening to the all kit correct???
@@millionhertzbeats2352 Exactly!
After watching this video over and over I went ahead and got two of these for my 500 unit but...... does it matter that they are not stereo linked for bus duties? they seem to sound rad but I am afraid my ears are not solid enough to miss some phasing or something.
Greg just used his stereo unit in dual mono. Same as 2 500 series. Thats how I use my 2 500's.
Is that some Groove Holmes at the end?
I had to check to see wtf you were referring to, this vid is so old! I forgot about that track!!
@@TheHouseofKushTV ha! I'm just finding your channel and watching all your vids. Love the Clairophonic plug-in. I use it on drums all the time.
Is there a Tweaker 500 series coming out in the near future?
I can neither confirm nor deny...
hmmm....*house of Kush, wherever did you get that ideal/concept?* is that like saying Ham and Kush?
Ham and TUSH
Yeah, but what's on the other side - connectors, power supply?
Is this trick used often and i just never noticed this ? D
It seemed to fall out of favor sometime in the mid-to-late 70's.
Right when I thought I was done buying hardwares I bumped into this video 🤦🏻♂️😅
Just Killer!
so, this is how to mix smooth AM jazz??
I can do the same with the LF and HF equalizers and the two parametric sections on my mixer!
Indeed! As with most techniques, this one is gear-agnostic, although different filters will produce very different textures and drums like some eq's more than others.
Wish the intro didn't distort. Looks awesome
Not hearing any distortion here, other than a touch o' crunch on the rhodes. This is actually WAY cleaner than I go for nowadays, check out the Novatron video for evidence of my fondness for dirt! ua-cam.com/video/LtELJpLsFHk/v-deo.html
Gosh your right sounds real clean must have been on my phone speakers. Using my headphones all your demos sound much much deeper lol
@@analogdragon4709 How you gonna watch an audio video this in-depth on phone speakers then comment on the audio quality x.x
how do you manage phase issues when recording with different mics and hard panning?
Hmm... I may be misunderstanding your question, but I don't understand what 'different mics' and/or 'hard panning' has to do with phase issues? Ideally, you optimize phase coherence at the source by placing the mics in positions where you minimize cancellations and maximize pleasing relationships. This has nothing to do with whether the mics are the same or different (the vast majority of drum recordings involve blends of very different mics), and it has nothing to do with panning; phase relationships are defined by the frequency-over-time relationships between tracks, no more and no less. If your tracks are coherent, there's nothing to manage. If they aren't, there's not much you can do, you just do the best you can with what you have :-)
@@TheHouseofKushTV thanks for the thoughtful reply. makes a lot of sense. maybe i'm messing up at the mic placement stage. thanks for all the breakthrough-inspiring wisdom and awesome products.
Ah! I know that story! If you're looking for suggestions, try one of the more foolproof setups (xy or recorderman) for a while on your overheads so you can focus on the direct-to-room ratio without worrying about phase. Pay extra attention to your snare mic's phase relationship with both the kick and the overheads. Keep your setup very simple, like just those 4 mics, until you get an ear for phase, tone, transient, ambience, and image :-)
@@TheHouseofKushTV man you're the best at this, really helping people make better music in a holistic way. no one else is offering such indispensable theory alongside practical tips and the best tools. thank you
I just bought a sequential pair of the Electra 500 series modules on Reverb and am super stoked to have them. I want to put them in my rack right now...but as usual, I look at everything...and see on the main board there is a switch (SW3) that appears to set the function for the inner dial inside the HPF (the bottom-most inner dial)...I suspect the default is the "out" position allowing you to adjust the level of what I heard (in Greg's 2015 Sweetwater video about the Electra) is a fixed 90HZ low-shelf...I assume with SW3 in...you get a fixed level but can sweep the center freq. of the shelf...I cannot find documentation about this ANYWHERE...please advise if anyone knows for certain what exactly SW3 does. (bonus points...I assume J1 always stays in DC coupled mode since the power rails in a 500 series chassis are DC...not sure if that is what that jumper is for...but thought I would ask while I am in the question asking mode). Would be grateful for any information on this at all!!!
Les americains... certains américains ... ils sont formidables
Merci!
I want a whole rack of Kush
I want you to have that!! Check out our b-stock store, things are about 40% off there all the time :-)
Same person here different account, just noticed your comment. I actually bought a b stock Electra. It's awesome only used for tracking a few times sounds smooth. I'm looking into your plugins now. Demos are really appealing. I think I need to subscribe, good work! I also recently bought a used claraphonic hardware unit! Sounds great. Also just tracked a bit. I like to own plugs for life. Especially ubk-1 and transformers. Any deals you can extend to me on those. I'm all in for Kush and my credit bill, lol.
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