Recorder Player Tries to Play A Chalumeau!
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2021
- I’m currently learning to play the recorder, but occasionally I can’t resist trying other wind instruments... I decided to have a go at a chalumeau!
...And here’s a link to some people who can play it properly:
• Chalumeau - J.B. de B...
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Thanks for watching! 🙂
To make it even more challenging, turn the mouthpiece around so that the reed is facing up. This is how early clarinets and chalumeaus were played. It was an entirely different technique.
It's confusing! The first time I tried the clarinet I could get a sound either way and would very happily play it upside down. Also there's whether to cover the teeth with the lips, I can get notes all ways (having tried sideways lol) but yeah, reeds on the bottom with the clarinet.
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"Oriental Morning Mood" , a whole new take on Grieg, the snake charmer.
What's next? A practice chanter? Love your videos!
Ha, that is a good way to describe it! And thanks 🙂
I am a pensioner now and in my retirement have taught myself the recorder ,descant ,alto, tenor not perfect but great enjoyment . Now I am onto the clarinet and what a beast it is, just like my wife I never know what side of the bed they are going to get out of and the reed is a nightmare some days it plays beautiful other days so frustrating
Enjoyment is definitely the main thing, we all need to remind ourselves it’s not about perfection! As for temperamental wives and reeds- you just gotta take the rough with the smooth!
I began my music playing on clarinet in marching band YEARS ago. I also tried helping a friend of mine take up the clarinet, so some points you might consider (if you already know these, good for you).
1. Get about four reeds, so you can play one one day and then let it rest for a few days.
2. If you are changing the tension of the ligature (the metal thingy that holds the reed against the mouth piece) between playing, that might be causing the different tone quality.
3. If you already play recorder, I'm guessing you know how to "support" the tone from your diaphragm. If not, find a player and have him explain it for you. It's not hard, but it's difficult to explain. It will be easier if someone just shows you. Glad to hear you are trying to learn some new instruments. Good Luck!
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Thanks for the advice ,as to the reeds I only use plastic now as I have never found a cane reed I can play on .The great thing about the recorder is that if I am not getting the sound out of it I want I know it is my fault where as the clarinet can be many things such as reeds ,leaks ,climate
I have played clarinet for over 40 years. The natural cane reed IS the most temperamental and unreliable part of the instrument. Nothing can sound better than a natural reed, but it takes incredible patience. Reeds can change with temperature, humidity, and weather conditions. They take time to break in. Some reeds simply do not work! Plastic reeds are more reliable, but do not sound quite as nice.
@@peter3835 Perhaps you could take the clarinet to a music shop to make sure it is in good playing condition. It is worth the investment, in my opinion.
The reason why the chalumeau sounds a lot lower than the recorder has nothing to do with the bore diameter, but rather the fact that the recorder is open at both ends (it has the fipple hole) while the chalumeau is not.
Quick tip: when playing the chalumeau, assuming you play it like a clarinet, keep the end of the instrument pointed more towards your knees and don’t clamp onto the mouth piece too hard so you don’t leave tooth marks :)
Squeaking's so fun! Ex trumpet player here and I love it loud, high, and ear-piercing!
I love that instrument! (and you did GREAT on your first try!)
Did well in time spent learning never heard of this instrument before nice video again.
Really enjoying your videos😊
A thoroughly and accurately researched history of the chalumeau. It appears that the precursor to the chalumeau was a double-piped, single-reed instrument, akin to the North African zumarra, in which one of the pipes served as a drone pipe. With the elimination of the drone pipe, the early form of the chalumeau emerged in the middle ages.
Oh god... In elementary school band I was forced to play clarinet (and hated it) and watching (and hearing you) with the reed brought all these 45 year old painful memories of the icky feeling of a reed embouchure in my mouth... :)
thank you a million , thanks to you, I know now what's messing my clarinette :D
Hey, that's really good. Well done. The Chalameau would be excellent for Breton dance music.
Oh Gawd, now I'm going to buy one of these too thanks lol.
Hehe I’d say I’m sorry... but I’m not 😉
Most likely it’s tuned in low (baroque) pitch rather than a=440, which is likely why your tuner is indicating an out of tune e natural. The lowest fingered note should probably be f natural, with thumb plus left three fingers being c, just like the chalumeaux register on a clarinet. Just my hunch.
Ah, I did wonder if it wasn’t in modern pitch, and then promptly didn’t act on my own suspicion! It seems a lot of these chalumeaux at the cheaper end of the scale are in modern pitch though... but I’ll try it out again, thank you!
Yes, I think it's an instrument in F (most likely a soprano) at A(4)=415 Hz.
@@TenorCantusFirmus I think you may be right. I asked the chap that I bought it off, he says he bought it as being in E… but baroque pitch seems more likely!
@@ClaythorpeMusic Never heard about chalumeaux in E, always either in F or C. I'd definitely go with low (/"Baroque") pitch.
@@TenorCantusFirmus I started to get suspicious when I couldn’t find a single other chalumeau in E. Thanks for the advice.
I've never seen or heard of a chalameau. I have never been able to get a sound out of a reed instrument. So on that count absolutely well done. And you got a pretty decent tune out of it then. Well done, I've also been looking at different instruments. Last year I purchased a Kalimba also known as thumb piano. I think you might like those too. Look forward to seeing what else you have in store for us. Happy tooting
I like the little chalumeau, but I must admit I haven’t rushed out to get any more reed instruments! Seems like a lot of hard work and faff compared to flute or recorder… I am biding my time on getting a kalimba… my husband may start to panic if I bring many more instruments home for a while 😅 I have a few awaiting attention!
Ten or more years ago, when I was in Nîmes, in the South of France, I happened upon a dusty little shop in a side street that sold hand made recorders and bombardes and chalumeaux. The owner and instrument maker showed and played some of his instruments for me, old French folk tunes. It was magical and delightful. Unfortunately I was broke at the time or I would have bought a chalumeau from him!
Ah that just sounds like one of those situations where you’d never be able to find the shop again, even if you wanted too… I wonder if it’s still there..?
@@ClaythorpeMusic Yes, very Earthsea or Glass Bead Game.
That last melody was from The Firebird, wasn't it? Awesome instrument! Awesome video! 🙂
Such a good channel
Naw, thanks! 😃
I just discovered this on some other youtube video and think its sound is soooo beautiful. Shame it doesn't work with recorder fingerings. Such a red herring.
It is truly a beautiful instrument (in the right hands- not mine, ha). I think the fingerings would be pretty easy to get memorised- I just wish I’d had a fingering chart to make sure I was starting off right! I wish more people knew about the chalumeau, it deserves to be heard!
Looks interesting, thank you for this posting. I am not a musician and was advised to try the Irish whistle, but the sound from your reeded instrument is more mellow than the whistle. Perhaps I’ll give it a try. 🎼
The chalumeau is mostly a lovely mellow sound, but with the odd accidental high pitched squeak thrown in while learning, haha! ‘Low D’ and ‘Low C’ Irish whistles have a beautiful low sound, I’d like to try them one day.
Hi You deserve so much more views
Aw thank you! I’m amazed I’ve even got to 1000 subs lol.
The tone is wonderful sort of between a clarinet and a high sax, only softer
wow your doing good. Thanks
Ah, I should really get back to practicing the chalumeau… 🙃
I would like a selection of pop, folk and classical music in the chalumeau range (an octave plus one). Bach's Aria in D ( aria on a G string) as an example.
I thought you did great for only a half hour.
And the higher register of the clarinet is the clarino. I’m not sure why so it would be interesting to find out about the history. As for placing the reed if you leave a hairline section of the mouthpiece still visible it can help to make a sound easier. Something my clarinet teacher corrected to being in line with the mouthpiece but I think it’s better as a beginner as I was taught 😊
Ooo thanks for the tip, I’ll try that tomorrow!
I vaguely remember reading something about the clarino register when I was researching chalumeaux... I think ‘clarino’ was a name for an early form of trumpet which had no valves to help play higher notes. When the clarinet was being developed it was often called a ‘mock trumpet’ and it could manage higher notes easier than the valveless trumpets- so it’s higher range took its name from those renaissance/ baroque trumpets...
Or maybe I’ve dreamt all this 😅
@@ClaythorpeMusic oh that sounds familiar! It definitely makes sense anyway
@@ClaythorpeMusic Sorry for jumping in like this i only wanted to say that in italian clarino is like a little clarinet so maybe the clarino is the Eb clarinet that is high, but i don't know=)
@@gabry9835 ooo sounds like a sensible theory to me!
@@ClaythorpeMusic exactly this. Somebody wrote that the sound was like a trumpet played far away (sorry I don't remember the exact quote).
Tonguing is the difficult bit with reed instruments
Thank you for making this video. You mentioned that Telemann and Vivaldi wrote music for Chalumeau. I was unaware of that. Do you happen to know what pieces they wrote for the instrument?
Have a look for ‘Concerto for two chalumeaux’ by Telemann, there are recordings of it on YT and the score is available on IMSLP .org
Vivaldi wrote multi-instrument pieces that contained chalumeau parts- concerto in C major is one. Also, if you Google ‘list of compositions featuring the chalumeau’ you should be able to find the page on IMSLP that lists other composer’s works too! (Sorry I haven’t left direct links here, sometimes comments with links get removed, so it’s safer not to!) It’s a fascinating instrument, I enjoyed researching and listening to it. Hope you will too!
The best example is in Vivaldi's Iuditah Triumphans oratorio "Veni veni me sequere fida" but Zelenka, Camilla de Rossi and most abundantly Graupner wrote for chalumeaux. Despite the name being french it got widespread use in the HRE but not in France, where they prefered the baroque clarinet.
What a pretty, lovely gurlie! Thanks for nice presentation! Does this thing go through a second octave? Do you have to half open the hole on the back? I know it has a cylindrical bore and for some reason cylindrical bores hate to switch into a higher octave, even with normal clarinet (I think) there is a difficult junction between low and high octaves. While conical bores (oboe and saxophone, as well as Cornett switch with no problem. Cheers
its sounds like a mix of soprano sax and clarinet,you should try a Duduk.
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Very good. I play clarinet so I'd be familiar with one of these. However as my chalumeau playing friend Kathy informed me, they're not always easy to play in tune. Plus you don't always get a good one. There are a lot of cheap chalumeaus (chalumeaux?) out there and most are rubbish. But if you get a good one (yours doesn't seem too bad) they can sound fab.
Definitely not easy to play in tune, I’ve been messing around with it a bit more and found the notes are pretty ‘bendable’ (for want of a better word). I love the sound of clarinet... maybe one day! I bet a chalumeau (yes, I think ‘chalumeaux’ is the plural) would be a fun thing to pick up for a clarinet player 🙂
@@ClaythorpeMusic Thinks for the demonstration. Chalumeaux is indeed the plural form (I'm French).
@@gregorymary5506 thank you! I was trying my best to remember from GCSE French lessons… a long time ago, ha!
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Thanks! ☺️
That last bit was all Grieg to me.
😂 very good.
I went from a recorder to a sax when I was 50 .... it takes simply years of practice to really wrap your mouth around a reed, it is so much more complex than the recorder mouthpiece....you should know that there are numerous different brands and strengths of reeds with different levels of rigidity ... with enough practice you will learn how to adjust the pitch with your mouth alone without changing your fingering......
hello very good artist, where can I find and buy this beautiful instrument? Is it in B flat? I can't find it on the Internet. A thousand thanks
7:00 at least i could tell what song it was: Greig-Morning Mood
Get a clarinet! You'll love it! 😊
Instead of wetting the reed in your mouth, or dipping as you showed us, just drop it into the glass of water. Leave it a minute or so. That'll be fine. I play the clarinet and that's what I do. You can slo (eventually - you need to develop your embouchure a bit first) you can move on to plastic reeds, which don't need to be moistened. Sadly, there is no argument against plastic reeds from an eco point of view. All natural reeds come in a plastic case, and as they break or wear out much. much quicker than the synthetic reeds you end up using more plastic that way. The musical advantage of the plastic reeds is that they are consistent. A natural reed will vary from day to day. The musical disadvantage is that natural reeds can sound better, if you buy good ones, but you can find professional musicians who are saying that's no longer true these days.
Ah thanks for the tips! To be honest my chalumeau hasn’t had much of a look in over the past few weeks. I’ve been practicing fife and now a flute, which I’m really loving. I will get back to the chalumeau in time… but flute embouchure is enough to be going on with for now!
I was shocked at the amount of packaging for one reed. I know it is all there for a reason, but does make me wonder if there isn’t a better way to do it!
I'm a clarinet player. I have heard of the chalumeau. This is interesting...
Please do check out videos of people playing the chalumeau properly (I.e, not me!) if you haven’t already. Such a beautiful instrument. I’m sure you’ll appreciate it even more as a clarinetist!
Maybe a synthetic reed would be awesome for practising:P
That is probably a good idea!
@@ClaythorpeMusic I’m using one ( legere) for my Venova. It’s great that I don’t have to learn about humidity or temperature XD
@@HenryPh_am I’ll have to look into it when I get back to the chalumeau, I’m trying to work on flute embouchure at the moment
You have to use the Reed!
Just wondering where did you purchase this was it you said eBay ?
Yes, it was second hand off eBay. They don’t seem to come up too often, but I’ve seen them pop up every once in a while.
So its a mini clarinet.
Where can I buy the chalumeau you use in this video?
I got this one second hand off eBay, and I don’t think this model is made any more. But there are a couple that look very similar at a reasonable price on thomann. com 🙂
check out the xaphoon too - a kind of accidental reinvention of the Chalumeau (with slightly different fingering) at xaphoon.com
Argh don’t tempt me, haha!
@@ClaythorpeMusic I just wish I could play mine like this very tallented player plays hers :-) ua-cam.com/video/pGmLS7pw2gU/v-deo.html
is it hard to play?
If you move slightly the mouthpeace you would be able to tune it a bit more...
Thanks, I didn't consider that at the time (clearly!) Haven't had any time to practice chalumeau for a while but when I get back to it i'll try this :)
One thing of which you might want to be aware: technically, any instrument that can play a chromatic scale is not 'in' any particular key. The recorder can play any score's melody in any key.
We use the expression as a matter of convenience - the dexterity exercises by Rooda I mentioned are even titled 'For recorders in C', '...in F'. This is shorthand for 'recorders whose lowest note is C', etc.
This is distinguished from transposing instruments, e. g., the trumpet, the sheet music for which may denote middle C, but the actual tone is B flat. If this is unclear, Google is your friend.
A bugle IS restricted to one diatonic scale (through overtones) but even that gets mushy, because fourths are not readily produced by overtones.
At any rate, a chromatic instrument is not restricted to a particular key.
Please forgive a somewhat pedantic splitting of a hair, but it's a distinction of which one should be aware. In most discussions, I wouldn't bother with it.
I’m always happy to split hairs, and you are quite right! I suppose when we say ‘in’ with regards to key, it is whichever scale falls easiest, or most naturally under the fingers.
I think there would have to be half-holing on the chalumeau to achieve some notes. And I’ve just discovers it over-blows to a 12th which is a new world for me!
@@ClaythorpeMusic I'm happy you took that as meant. Perhaps you already knew this - I just wanted to clarify a point.
Essentially, I'm a guitarist who can play some other instruments. I'm almost entirely self taught (but have learned from others, too). I've read and thought a lot about theory. I devour theory, can't get enough.
One day, ask about Mr. Lee's Super Duper and Easy Royal Road to the Modes. I was a math minor and naturally look for general solutions - and stumbled on a relation, a pattern that makes the modes as plain as day and easy beans.
"85% of playing by ear is knowing your damn theory."
Yup, yup, yuppers.
Rock bottom, your ear is sovereign. Knowing your theory, though, puts wings on Icarus. I started flying jets when certain things dawned on me about relations on the fretboard.
Don't neglect harmony, because although you may never play a chording instrument, 75% of Western musical study is Harmony. "Harmony la vista, baby," to misquote Arnold Schwarzenegger. Harmonical knowledge gives you superpowers.
And ALL of it is so you can get to the point where you're not a slave to the score and can...ta da! Improvise!! This is what jazz is all about, but you have to know theory cold to have that gorgeous freedom.
I am a competent and knowledgeable guitarist who can confidently play with anybody. In some categories, I am NOT your first choice and definitely have my preferences, but I could 'fake it' in almost any setting.
Anyhow, enjoy your journey, 'cuz you could easily spend every waking moment on scales, modes, arpeggios, triads, spread triads (yikes!), pentatonic scales and their elegantly simple relationships, etc etc etc, not to mention technique, trills (which can be fingered differently than straight notes; it's kind of ethically cheating), aaaand...
rhythm work, that orphan.
*A few decades ago*:
Drummer to me: "Do you know why you're in this band?"
" 'Cuz you and I started it?"
"It's because your sense of rhythm is dead on."
When a drummer tells you you have a good sense of rhythm...
And I have a good ear ("The more you play, the more you can hear; the more you can hear, the more you can play."). So I'm fortunate.
But Theory gives you Wings.
And when you get to a certain comfort level, attempt new and exciting stuff, especially the stuff that's challenging. No one ever grew staying in a rut, yet repetition is Da Bomb.
So, you can see, you have no excuse to be bored again in your life.
BTW, YT has some vids of this hugely talented woman playing jazz recorder.
Ciao!
@@JESL_TheOnlyOne I’m always happy to listen to the voice of experience! I’m reading as much theory as I can- some of it I’m loving, and other parts, not so much (I’m not a good mathematician, so a lot of head scratching and frustration occurs!) But it’s a great feeling when some part of it that made no sense a few weeks ago suddenly clicks into place, so I’ll struggle on!
I assume the jazz recorder player is Tali Rubenstein- she’s great. I honestly think she makes jazz and the recorder work so well together!
@@ClaythorpeMusic Yes, indeed, she's outstanding.
Little follow up which may help your journey: I talked a lot about theory, but the ear is sovereign, to wit: "Who can think and hit at the same time?" - Yogi Berra, catcher and three time MVP with the NY Yankees (imo, still the greatest catcher of all time).
Not me. I'm not thinking about any particular details when I play. Now, a guitar in standard tuning is a static map - what I am doing is using the physical/geometric relations of fifths and octaves as my tent pegs, my guideposts, and start thinking about (and LISTENING) where the chromaticisms are, particularly flatted thirds and sevenths (blues). Then in the middle of things, a quick alternating trill might be good here...hey, I'm here, a minor triad arpeggio on these here three strings might ring out well...
but I'm *not* thinking about it, because...
The great world chess champion Vassily Smyslov was asked about a game he had just lost, a particular position, and whether he realized it comes up in the Najdorf variation of the Sicilian Defense, or something essentially like that, and he smiled and replied, "My dear boy, that's study; my opponent and I were *playing*."
I need add nothing, I'm sure you understand.
To me, it's all about playing with other people. A recorder should seek a guitar (especially classical) above all other instruments, incidentally; few pairs intertwine so well.
May your notes be round and true.
@@JESL_TheOnlyOne thanks for the advice 🙂 I’m just getting to the point of being able to distinguish listening for fun from listening to learn!
It sounds a bit like a saxophone. I know they are both reed instruments but still.
... never had one lesson.
Where can I buy a chalumeau?
I got mine second hand on ebay, but they don’t come up very often...
I know Thomann sells one:
m.thomann.de/gb/thomann_chalumeau_maple_xaphoon_clarineau_saxonette.htm?o=0&search=1622240468
Or there are some beautiful ones here:
www.sansluthier.net/en/woodwind-brass/pocket-clarinets/chalumeau
And handmade ones here:
www.theshawmshop.co.uk/chalumeau
I haven’t tried any of these, but I hope that helps 🙂
www.theshawmshop.co.uk/chalumeau
www.tupian.de/
folkfriends.com/Clarineau+-+Chalumeau+mit+zwei+Klappen.htm
What a beautiful girl and the instrument
Typically reed instruments go sharp if you press too hard on them. Relax and your pitch will go down.
Thanks for the tip! Haven’t had time to practice this lately, but hoping to get back to it soon.
Your chalumeau reminds me of a xaphoon I purchased a few years ago. Hated the taste of the reed and I could never get a good sound without hurting my cheeks, 😂. You definitely did better than I did. Maybe you could try the xaphoon fingering chart: xaphoon.com/pages/fingering-charts
Oooh thanks, I’ll take a look. I don’t know if I could get used to the reed taste, it was so strong! Maybe we tried unfortunate brands! Hope you’re getting on better with your bass!
Yes, the bass is coming along-the spike I purchased made all the difference for me. Wrapping my brain around the bass clef has been a brain twister more so than I thought. I thought my short time with piano and the fact, for the most part, the bass and alto are the same fingerings would be no problem to grasp, but man! It’s a workout for me, 😂. The thought of later focusing on c fingerings-whew!!?? Still loving the challenge, though. I just have to stop looking at other woodwinds-it’s so addicting to want to play EVERYTHING. Cheers!
@@MagSanJon great, pleased the spike is working for you! I know what you mean about the bass clef; funny how five little lines can be so confusing..!
The xaphoon is very similar to a chalumeau or a clarinet. Like those instruments it has a single-reed, a cylindrical bore, and overblows on the twelfth.
That's a recorder on reeds 😂.
You have chosen some very odd background music ...
The background music is distracting.
I like your channel. But please lose the idiot drumtrack background
Great video, however please loose the terrible background music.. Yuk! Canned, awful, repetitive and annoying. Really detracts from your otherwise great content.
Why do you have that annoying, modern pop music in the background, even while you're playing the chalumeau? So at odds with such an historic instrument and the character of music it would have played! Good luck on your musical journey.
Thanks for the feedback. I don’t use background music in my newer videos 🙂
@@ClaythorpeMusic well that was a quick reply! Good idea to lose the background music. I'll check out your newer videos.
Since you said you are a beginning recorder player, you may benefit from another UA-camr, Sarah Jeffery. She is a professional recorder player and covers a wide range of recorder topics. Do you know of her? Here's a link to get you started. Be well.
ua-cam.com/video/9KZbADc2I8g/v-deo.html
@@calrob300 haha, I just so happened to be on UA-cam when your comment popped up… took me a bit longer to reply this time 😅
Thanks for the recommendation- I’m a big fan of Sarah’s, her videos really helped me get started with the recorder.
That’s not a chalumeau