I've bowled one handed my whole life. I started taking bowling seriously May 2021. I struggled to have a high speed and rev rate. I also struggled hitting 200 for 7 months bowling 1 handed. I tried the 2 handed style for a joke one night and found it strange but wanted to get better. So, I stuck with it ever since. My ball speed went up almost instantly and it took me 3 days to break 200. I'm now a committed 2 handed bowler with a 504 rev rate, 15.5-16.5 ball speed, and I enjoy playing straighter angles. It's so cool to see my game progress since I started.
@@snowfall6373 WOULD ALSO like to know I'm a 2 finger bowler, have a hip injury atm so I'm also struggling with hitting 200, thinking about going back to two handing tho
500 rev rate and slow ball speed and straight angles.. Im confused. I must have 800 rev rate then because im playing at bigger angles and im throwing around 20mph. 39-41 ft patterns (not house shots)
I love the explanation of how ‘just bowling with 2 hands doesn’t make you a better bowler.’ I think that is key. The sport seems to be accepting it more with each passing year.
I agree with you about form of style it's just a form a style of art how you roll the ball, and i don't know why it becomes a debate in the past about two handed style, is't because of rev rate that applice on the 2 hand style. In my observation in the sport itself it doesn't matter how good or angry you throw the bowling ball as long you get a good ball transition and that's fine and that's it.
@@shadowsp8888 u didnt watch the video lmao i switched from one handed to two handed and having trouble controlling it on dry lanes like they said one handers have advantage
when i picked up bowling a little more competitively, i immediately went to two handed, because my wrist wasn't strong enough anymore to support a ball due to a tennis injury. While i still have some slight pains, it's much better than me trying a one-handed approach. I'm glad it's becoming a more popular thing, and the insight you guys gave was wonderful.
I have carpal tunnel and have issues with my wrist. Bowling 1 handed kept triggering something in my wrist that made my whole arm numb. Decided to try 2 handed to relieve some of those issues and it has done WONDERS. Already back to my one handed average and probably slightly better after only 2 months. Now just dealing with back and leg pains, I am getting old, stretching is a must.
Funny thing is that I didn't go 2 handed cuz of belmo or simo. Started throwing it like TD and then was struggling with balance and stability and saw all the 2 handers and was like oh! Now I got 2 hands to keep it stable :D. I don't have a ton of revs and I do enjoy having a medium rev rate instead to control it a bit more and focus on trying to be consistent. Especially trying to be more elbow in style release.
When i started bowling i struggled one handing the weight that i was told to throw so i had to make something up, then started 2 handing it before really ever looking into bowling professionally or anything. i never really saw anyone throwing 2 hands. A few months in now im learning quite a bit.
Thanks for sharing. I love your insight. The only thing you didn't mention is the wear and tear your thumb suffers during each tournament. A 2 handed bowler's thumb remains out of harms way. In my case. I damaged my thumb and now the first joint is fused. As a result, it is nearly impossible to release my traditional finger tip drilled ball and no pro has been able to drill a new ball that I can release with my thumb used. So I was forced to switch to 2 handed and slowly but surely my average is almost back to my pre-injury level. Thanks again!
@@freighttrain1695 Thanks, that's good to know. Before damaging my thumb which resulted in the fusing of the first joint, I never had trouble releasing my thumb from the ball. However ever since my thumb's joint was fused, I've not been able to use any of my 3 custom drilled finger tip balls. Not even during a very low speed simulated release on the pro-shop's floor. I've tried 2 different pro-shops drilling new balls but neither can figure out how to make so I can still use my thumb. The only thing we didn't try was to bore the thumb hole 2x larger but that defeats the point of using my thumb. So lucky for me, the 2-handed technique became a thing 20 years ago. Otherwise I was done bowling after 30+ years of loving it.
Two handed is a great option for some. I have tried a couple times to do it and I always go back to one. But you should definitely try it and see how it works for you and your game
I'm the opposite. Started 1 handed for a little over a year and a half, then switched to 2 handed. I keep trying periodically to bowl a couple games 1 handed and I just can't do it
omg ive tried it before too and let me tell you its hard for me also haha. even my one handed timing cant translate to two hands. idk how people just do it naturally after bowling one handed for many years. what i mean is when one handers just do it for fun and they still look good doing it
i started to bowl 2 handed when i was 13, even though i have back injury, i just ignore it because back then, i just played bowling as a hobby. Now that i am 22, i want to start getting serious about bowling, got my buddy to go to the bowling centre once a week to bowl. The thing is my back couldn’t stand the pressure of bowling 2 handed and it is hard to maintain focus, accuracy and basically everything when i play like 6 games in one time, my back hurts so much every time. I’m thinking of switching back to one hand as i figure one hand uses less spine tilt than 2 hands BUT it is super hard when you are are already comfortable and start to get the rhythm with 2 hands. I find it hard to get my hand behind the ball my hand is always on top of the ball causing it to hook a little or no hook at all. nonetheless, there is still a lot of work to be done and i’m excited because one hand bowling is pretty new to me and i love learning new things. wish me luck 💪
If you watch the older a bowler gets the less tilt they have regardless of style. Even belmo is more upright than he was eight years ago. If it's not sustainable it's not good because bowling is all about repeatability. Simo basically lays on his stomach when he throws so it will be interesting to see if he has to back off a bit. Can't be dragging your beard over the foul line every shot.
I started bowling 2 handed 15 years ago at age 20 after seeing belmo and osku for the first time I'm hoping changes in my footwork work from Mike jasneaus class will help me this year. I never thought it would grow this much I gained motivation back then by all the older bowlers saying you aren't gonna get anywhere bowling that way and all the haters criticizing the 2 handed style and it being unique at the time we don't have that extra motivation now with as fast as it's grown like it has
Thank you, thank you! Love your show! Super educational! I'm a two-hander, but always incorporate single-handed principles like you say. One question though, I see a trend in not wiping the oil off the ball after every shot--seems to improve scores. Can you comment on that?
I stopped wiping my ball and noticed it seems more consistant than wiping after every shot. I feel like that extra oil on the ball gives a little extra glide if the oil starts to break dowb
I’ve heard about this before but haven’t really got to experiment with it myself. I believe on longer patterns you should be wiping your ball so it still picks up, but on much shorter patterns you can opt to keep the oil on the ball for more consistency
I’ve always religiously wiped my ball after every shot but I grew up bowling during the urethane days, and urethane carry’s oil down if you don’t wipe it off
I bowl two handed and dont wipe, except where my support hand goes. I hate having patches of tracks of oil under my support hand because then it slips around a bit. It does allow shots to be more consistant
As soon as I need something, someone posts a video on it. I am just getting into bowling, just got the shoes, ball and bag, a metallic blue rhino. And I bowl 2 handed and I've gotten a few tips from some people at my bowling alley, and thankyou so much for this video.
I agree but also for the one handed if you manipulate your hand like Prather or Buttriff then I think its just as good or even E.J his revs are the same as Belmo. Great video guys thank you
I have been bowling since 1979. Back then the balls barely hooked and we had to make sure not to throw the ball too hard or it wouldn't get to the pocket. The benefit of two-handed bowling is you can generate a lot more power than one-handed bowlers. In the old days two-handed bowling would have only produced straight balls. By the mid 1990s strong balls became available and wood lanes were replaced with superior synthetic lanes. That introduced modern power bowling where you had to throw it hard so it wouldn't hook too much. At that point two-handed bowling became possible and advantageous. Today's bowling, like football, respects power - so using two hands is definitely an advantage. But bowling is also a game that demands accuracy and repeatability, which is harder to achieve if you have loads of revs. So it still mostly comes down to experience and the bowler's ability to calculate and execute so their shot hits correctly. That means if you are a young person starting bowling, then you should learn two-handed bowling, just like you would learn snowboarding instead of skiing (because it isn't cool). But if you are a one-handed bowler with years of experience, then that is fine. You won't become more competitive giving up that experience. In my younger days I would like beating lefties and in PBA matches I would root for the righty (except Mr. Anthony). But now that there are three forms, righty, lefty, and two-handed, I don't care which hand anymore.
This video came right on time, i currently bowl with no thumb but use two fingers and have been interested in moving forward and changing my style to two handed bowling. What are some extra tips that you guys could give, as far as hand position, your approach when it comes to how many steps you should take before releasing the ball, etc? Thanks for the video
Four or five steps. Your second step (in five step) MUST cross over and you MUST have open hips. You need to create a swing plane. Additionally the two handed style is very athletic and requires good leg muscles for speed and finish position. Unlike one handed, ballspeed in two handed comes entirely from footwork
Just like with one-handed bowling you can use multiple hand positions. Just make sure to not go around the ball with your hand, stay behind it. When it comes to how many steps on the approach, Osku told me i should keep using 4 steps because that is what i am used to. It works for me.
I started bowling with my thumb out in the mid 90s. I couldn't hook the ball enough and some other guy in the league threw thumb out and could hook it like crazy and striking a bunch on the condition we were bowling on. He couldn't pick up any spares though. Took me about a year to get comfortable enough to throw it in league. I would bowl thumb in or out depending on the lane conditions. Never even thought about using my other hand for support. Your quad muscles on your slide leg really have to be strong to get low enough at the line and that takes time to build them up.
Used to bowl one handed in the dry months and two handed in the humid months before the USBC changed the weight hole rules (still practiced both). Finally got to where I am able to build two arsenals to utilize both options, but have trouble finding a league I can commit to working third shift so only bowl tournaments I can find when I have weekends off.
Hey seriously .. if either of you EVER come to a tournament on the east coast PLEASE let me know lol My home house is Crofton, MD. Hope to see you guys one of these days.
I started bowling using my friends dads 15 pound ball from the 80s/90s and did 2 hands cause my weak lil arms cannot support that much weight coming back and forward with 1 arm lol, but need to go buy my own ball that fits my fingers cause that one is WAY to loose on my fingers, my high score is 192 but this was uploaded on my birthday and I'm about to go buy my first bowling ball so hope it all goes good
Got into bowling recently and started off as 2 handler from get go. I just feel like I can cradle the ball much better and get the flat roll or the big hook easily. Not even sure how to use a thumb if I tried lol
Kyle looks pretty good. Hope your recovering well. I just missed st. Charles i should have came down and bowled but left my balls at home. Great video as always.
I’m actually trying to make the transition from two handed bowling to one handed… I learned off of house balls, then when I picked up my first bowling ball I drilled it wanting to make the transition to traditional bowling. not trying to compete so I can still throw it two handed if I wanted to, BUT super hard getting fundamentals in with traditional!
I think a big part of it is kids keep with bowling while they are at a young age because they can do it 2 handed even if they are smaller. This means a deeper pool of upcoming talent through the youth ranks and what really makes an athlete great isn't the physical skill, it's the mind and the competitive drive. The more kids you have participating in a sport the greater the talent at the professional level will be. As an adult bowler for me I learned how to hook the ball with no thumb one handed and the transitioned to using my thumb as I got used to hooking it and rolling the ball. I can carry a 190+ league average without having to practice. I'm out to have fun and compete with myself so I am happy with my one handed and wouldn't switch now but if I knew about two handed when I started 20 years ago then I probably would be doing it now.
Can someone give me some advice, every time i bowl my ball feels comfortable but when i released it the ball doesnt ever hook at all. Ive seen videos of myself bowl and looks like it should but the ball doesnt work the way it should. I just bought this ball about two weeks ago. Any advice will be really helpful
never used a thumb in 25 years of bowling, started two handed style three years ago and I’m just now crawling back to a 200+ average, may be more power and revs but without consistency, you’ll have a lot of the same leaves you see the best one handers get
Just got into bowling 2 months ago, tried going one handed for a good while but I could never get it right and my thumb kept having the skin ripped off of it. Switched to two handed after seeing another guy down the alley throwing that style and I still had a game or two left to bowl. I found it more comfortable, however as you said it's all up to the person. Some days I'll see tons of two handers in the alley, and other days it'll only be me.
I made the switch last year and my strike percentage went up alot but my spare conversion took abit of a dive, was harder to spare than strike at first
@@durteedan7836 I was thinking about it at first but did a couple of weeks of nothing but spare shooting practice and got the hang of it now more or less lol
I say do both..that's what I do atleast. I'm comparably decent at both (since I just do it for fun) so I use one to cover the others weakness. Yeah I carry more balls around for that but eh, it's fun knowing that outside of my ability, or lack thereof lol, I'll be able to stay on top of any lane condition.
I’ve been bowling two hands and lately I’ve been trying to increase my rev but the ball has been releasing off my hand really weird where my fingers will get stuck or get absolutely no revs and I don’t know what happened
i have a question that somebody can hopefully answer. For any sanctioned league or tournament, am i allowed to switch from one handed to two handed given that my 2 handed balls and 1 handed balls are legal.
I just wanted to put this down here for anyone who is wondering, I bowl 2 handed with my thumb, and I have no issues clearing or anything, I had issues with it in the past, but I added more pitch to my slug and it fixed the issue, 530 rpm’s, 20.9 mph “averages” 234 average. So, the statement around 2 minutes about how your thumb limits all that is incorrect. I could change just as much with my hand has someone without the thumb. This isn’t a hate comment, it’s just a very informative comment about how I bowl and what I have experienced. And I have been bowling 2 handed for about 5 and a half years now. Been bowling for 16 years. 18 years old… and also when I switched from one handed to 2, I ended up developing a much much much cleaner, and disciplined release.
Every individual has different games, so this statement is not true in 100% of cases. But, as a generality it is less limiting without having to clear the thumb. 👍🏼
I started bowling two handed because when I first started I was using house balls. I obviously couldn’t hook that so some random guy at the alley said, “try it like this” and tossed it two handed and all of a sudden I could hook a house ball! I mean horribly, but it still hooked. By the time I got around to getting my own equipment I had already gotten used to 2 handed. Now my process is dedicated to figuring out how to do it properly :)
For about four years, I went two-handed as a way to deal with a wrist injury. While that worked, I saw my average drop 40 pins and had to transition back to one-handed. My issue was that I could not generate the speed necessary as a two-hander. My revs jumped from around 270 one-handed to 400 as a two-hander, but my speed dropped from 17-18 mph off my hand one-handed to 13-14 as a two-hander. I wish I could bowl two-handed, because the physical stress was less. But I couldn't do it. People would tell me the obvious -- "Walk faster!" ... "Get your feet moving!" ... "Bend over further at the waist!" -- but I could not figure out how to do it. I *thought* I was doing those things until I saw video of myself and realized I was not. What really confounds me is I watch a guy like Matt Ogle or Chris Via throw two-handed and they don't seem to be rushing the foul line (Via doesn't even slide much, if at all) and it just gets depressing.
This is my exact problem, i dont see how some 2 handers throw it so hard, my speed dropped dramatically like yours, i wonder if it has to do with arm strength too
I will say the reason I started bowling two-handed was because I didn’t have a custom ball fit And I didn’t want to spend $150 on a decent bowling ball that was specialy fit and not know if I even wanted to throw one hand or not. But no matter the fit on the ball you can pretty much throw two handed because you don’t need to rely on grip went to handed.
Kyle looks great bowling 2 handed.. With a little more practice & adoption, he'll be doing great with it.. As a fellow 2 handed bowler, my set up are: Urethane ball for short patterns Asymmetrical ball for long patterns House ball for some spare shots
@@angrybadger4236 I don’t have any other Arsenals.. I’m just talking & asking the bowling center staff for oil length application depending upon my mood if I want a short or long pattern. Then I’m using them straight on..
@@angrybadger4236 sometimes, I’m using both lanes with different oil length applied so that I’ll be able to utilize my 2 Arsenals. The house ball is my bread & butter actually for spare shootings
I throw 1 handed but I throw no thumb. Similar to TD and trust me it is harder but once you figure it out and learn how to read the lanes house shots can be made unplayable for some. It can be an advantage there. I used to throw with a thumb (for about 30 years age of 5 to 35) and I cranked the heck out of the ball. Used to have a swing like Rudy Revs. However I had an improper thumbhole and it was too loose. Ball fell off my hand and instead of dropping it behind me I grabbed and forced myself to come around it to hang on. I tore thumb ligaments because of that (at the age of 30) so I struggled for years trying to bowl that I finally taught myself how to bowl no thumb back in 2015. I have been off and on and only back to no thumb permanently for 2 years now (the reason is someone said well you are getting close to 40 might as well throw with a thumb).
So I'm a 1 hander and I have absolutely no problem with 2 handers. But every video I watch always talks about nothing but the pros of two handed bowling. People glorify it. But they fail to talk about the cons. I'm actually interested in becoming a coach and I'm in the process so I have a ball that I specifically use to practice 2 handed because I know I will have to coach 2 handers. But as a 1 hander I am terrible at it. I want to know what I'm talking about and in theory I know how to do it but practically I don't. So I think people need to know about the hardships that come with bowling two handed too. Your swing plane changes..your footwork changes your mental game even changes.. people need to hear about that aspect as well.. Just a personal take though.
As someone who is going from the traditional style to 2 handed bowling I can agree with you 100 percent. It's taken me months to break habits I've formed with 30 years of bowling traditionally. The hardest thing for me was my approach. I think I'm on my 10th revision now. One thing I haven't changed yet... my thumb is still in the ball. I understand that it's uncommon but I know what I need to do at the bottom with my hand. I was a 450+ rpm guy throwing 18-20 mph but I tore my shoulder up pretty good at work a few years ago and starting having issues at the end of last season. It did require me to change pitches and go back to grips as I hate throwing with plug material on my fingers. Will have to play around with different layouts as well as my standard pin up rolls dangerously close to my thumb now too.
One thing that wasnt mentioned was the need to have your left hand across your body for much longer making the approach alot more awkward. It may be much harder for older bowlers to manage as the left arm needs to stay supporting the ball alot longer.
I'm a one handed bowler. I drill my ball weird I FINGER TIP my thumb hole just like my finger holes. Bc I can get my thumb out because its almost already out. When I first told my proshop that's what I wanted he was like you'll drop it it ain't gonna work. And it was weird for like the fiat game but after that everything clicked rev went up speed followed and been smashing it ever since.
I really like this video obviously we have belmo, osku, troup, packy, etc for amazing two handers. Then the tangs, Brad and Kyle amazing one handers so like you said there's no way that's better than the other. Myself I use two hands because I have a chronic back condition and it gives me more stability and I like the energy transfer.
I'm a in-between bowler lol I'm a no thumb bowler but I'm not two handed. I can NOT do 2 handed it hurts me for some reason and I cant use a thumb I can never get my thumb out right. I will say I have a higher rev rate and I have good control. its hard to play up 5 but its very doable with a plastic/ dry ball.
I'm not an expert on the rules, but I believe that if you have finger holes in your ball, they have to be used. So if your ball has three finger holes, each one needs a finger/thumb in it. However if your ball only had the two finger holes in it, and you don't use your thumb then it's ok.
people can be 2 handed and use their thumb, as well as being 1 handed and not use their thumb. perfectly legal :D (so long as every hole is used on the ball every shot, so you can have a 2 handed strike ball and 1 handed spare ball, but you'd have to use the strike ball for strikes only and the spare ball for spares only.)
@@allenthomas914 what helped me the most with ball speed is to increase the size of one of your steps. 4 step approach: take a huge second step. 5 step approach: take a huge third step. It'll get your body moving faster and produce more ball speed
I've found that bending the elbow on the backswing really increased speed. You will get a higher backswing and thus a longer swing. The possible problem for some is that bowling 2-handed requires more athleticism. Notice how a 2-handed bowler's head is much closer to the floor of the lane than the heads of one-handers. You're really down there bowling 2-handed and the ball on the bent-arm backswing will be close to level with your head. Word of caution: Twisting the back while bent over requires fitness and flexibility found more often in the young than the not-so-young. Then again, it's been said: You're as old as your back.
Hey what would you guys say about bowling 2handed vs 1handed in terms of Stress on the knee of the sliding leg? I imagine 2handers put more Stress on their knee then 1handers? Anyone?
I'm a 2h bowler and I have terrible knees (multiple knee injuries over time because of basketball). Got back into bowling and bowled 2h -- I can tell you that I have to wear a knee brace on my sliding knee or I will feel it the next day or whenever my leg cools down. You'd be better off going 1h if you're looking to keep the stress off your knee because you can control your footwork easier. With 2h you have to have great footwork and explosive legs to get the power you want in your swing.
I got the knee pain when switching to 2 handed. But when I found my right timing and swing slot, my sliding step gets better, hence the knee problem disappeared.
Is there any way you guys could make a vid about 1 handed thumbless? It seems like a middle of the ground style. More revs than 1 handed traditional but less than 2 handed. I personally believe the 1 handed thumbless has the most versatility and least specialization. I've bowled both 1 handed and 2 handed but I feel the hybrid style gives me too many options to not try and perfect it. Could also be garbage and maybe it's holding me back, would love to see a video anyway
@@BowlismOutlaw it doesn't feel any more difficult than 1 handed traditional. I have large hands but I know bowlers smaller than me who use a bowling glove and have no issues with stamina or anything. I do have an issue with technique tho, it's hard to find tips for a 1 handed thumbless realease or aproach.
I must confess that thumb fitting clearing in 1 handed style takes so much time and patience. Many newbie can easily quit bowling due to this "pain in the butt". I think it's just a matter of choice when choosing 1 or 2 handed style. All the benefit of 2 handed bowling would become trash if we don't know how to control it. To me, the core value of bowling is the happiness of adjusting and diversification on multiple conditions and transitions. P/S I am a 2 handed bowler who switched from 1 handed.
I'd love to know what both of you would think about someone using one hand, but no thumb. Haha. Rather it's like Tom Dougherty or something more specific to that person. What advice would either of you give someone doing that?
I saw the title and thought "Oh, so that's how Kyle injured his back" lol. Of course jk, hope you recover as fast as possible Kyle!
Same 😂
I think he was hungover lmao!
Me too
Fr two handed breaks backs I will never switch to to hands
I've bowled one handed my whole life. I started taking bowling seriously May 2021. I struggled to have a high speed and rev rate. I also struggled hitting 200 for 7 months bowling 1 handed. I tried the 2 handed style for a joke one night and found it strange but wanted to get better. So, I stuck with it ever since. My ball speed went up almost instantly and it took me 3 days to break 200. I'm now a committed 2 handed bowler with a 504 rev rate, 15.5-16.5 ball speed, and I enjoy playing straighter angles. It's so cool to see my game progress since I started.
what balls and how straight
@@snowfall6373 WOULD ALSO like to know I'm a 2 finger bowler, have a hip injury atm so I'm also struggling with hitting 200, thinking about going back to two handing tho
500 rev rate and slow ball speed and straight angles.. Im confused.
I must have 800 rev rate then because im playing at bigger angles and im throwing around 20mph. 39-41 ft patterns (not house shots)
@@riktigaoakis that’s what I’m saying even with a pitch black I’m still swinging it on 42 FT with 18 and ~480
@@snowfall6373 oh.. Pitch black explains it. 😁
I love the explanation of how ‘just bowling with 2 hands doesn’t make you a better bowler.’ I think that is key. The sport seems to be accepting it more with each passing year.
I agree with you about form of style it's just a form a style of art how you roll the ball, and i don't know why it becomes a debate in the past about two handed style, is't because of rev rate that applice on the 2 hand style. In my observation in the sport itself it doesn't matter how good or angry you throw the bowling ball as long you get a good ball transition and that's fine and that's it.
@@xandersoriano201 It does make you bwtter once you control it.! I will NEVER have 500 revs on my ball!
@@shadowsp8888 u didnt watch the video lmao i switched from one handed to two handed and having trouble controlling it on dry lanes like they said one handers have advantage
when i picked up bowling a little more competitively, i immediately went to two handed, because my wrist wasn't strong enough anymore to support a ball due to a tennis injury. While i still have some slight pains, it's much better than me trying a one-handed approach. I'm glad it's becoming a more popular thing, and the insight you guys gave was wonderful.
Kyle was a pleasure meeting you Las Vegas a few weeks ago...be great to have you In NYC for that clinic we discussed
im a 2 hander personally but im still amazed by the arms on some 1 handers, like ej tackett for example
I have carpal tunnel and have issues with my wrist. Bowling 1 handed kept triggering something in my wrist that made my whole arm numb. Decided to try 2 handed to relieve some of those issues and it has done WONDERS. Already back to my one handed average and probably slightly better after only 2 months. Now just dealing with back and leg pains, I am getting old, stretching is a must.
Funny thing is that I didn't go 2 handed cuz of belmo or simo. Started throwing it like TD and then was struggling with balance and stability and saw all the 2 handers and was like oh! Now I got 2 hands to keep it stable :D. I don't have a ton of revs and I do enjoy having a medium rev rate instead to control it a bit more and focus on trying to be consistent. Especially trying to be more elbow in style release.
When i started bowling i struggled one handing the weight that i was told to throw so i had to make something up, then started 2 handing it before really ever looking into bowling professionally or anything. i never really saw anyone throwing 2 hands. A few months in now im learning quite a bit.
Thanks for sharing. I love your insight. The only thing you didn't mention is the wear and tear your thumb suffers during each tournament. A 2 handed bowler's thumb remains out of harms way. In my case. I damaged my thumb and now the first joint is fused. As a result, it is nearly impossible to release my traditional finger tip drilled ball and no pro has been able to drill a new ball that I can release with my thumb used. So I was forced to switch to 2 handed and slowly but surely my average is almost back to my pre-injury level. Thanks again!
If his thumb is seeing alot of wear , he doesn't have the right ball driller.
@@freighttrain1695 I would second that.
@@freighttrain1695 Thanks, that's good to know. Before damaging my thumb which resulted in the fusing of the first joint, I never had trouble releasing my thumb from the ball. However ever since my thumb's joint was fused, I've not been able to use any of my 3 custom drilled finger tip balls. Not even during a very low speed simulated release on the pro-shop's floor. I've tried 2 different pro-shops drilling new balls but neither can figure out how to make so I can still use my thumb. The only thing we didn't try was to bore the thumb hole 2x larger but that defeats the point of using my thumb. So lucky for me, the 2-handed technique became a thing 20 years ago. Otherwise I was done bowling after 30+ years of loving it.
Two handed is a great option for some. I have tried a couple times to do it and I always go back to one. But you should definitely try it and see how it works for you and your game
I'm the opposite. Started 1 handed for a little over a year and a half, then switched to 2 handed. I keep trying periodically to bowl a couple games 1 handed and I just can't do it
omg ive tried it before too and let me tell you its hard for me also haha. even my one handed timing cant translate to two hands. idk how people just do it naturally after bowling one handed for many years. what i mean is when one handers just do it for fun and they still look good doing it
i started to bowl 2 handed when i was 13, even though i have back injury, i just ignore it because back then, i just played bowling as a hobby. Now that i am 22, i want to start getting serious about bowling, got my buddy to go to the bowling centre once a week to bowl. The thing is my back couldn’t stand the pressure of bowling 2 handed and it is hard to maintain focus, accuracy and basically everything when i play like 6 games in one time, my back hurts so much every time. I’m thinking of switching back to one hand as i figure one hand uses less spine tilt than 2 hands BUT it is super hard when you are are already comfortable and start to get the rhythm with 2 hands. I find it hard to get my hand behind the ball my hand is always on top of the ball causing it to hook a little or no hook at all. nonetheless, there is still a lot of work to be done and i’m excited because one hand bowling is pretty new to me and i love learning new things. wish me luck 💪
If you watch the older a bowler gets the less tilt they have regardless of style. Even belmo is more upright than he was eight years ago. If it's not sustainable it's not good because bowling is all about repeatability. Simo basically lays on his stomach when he throws so it will be interesting to see if he has to back off a bit. Can't be dragging your beard over the foul line every shot.
I started bowling 2 handed 15 years ago at age 20 after seeing belmo and osku for the first time I'm hoping changes in my footwork work from Mike jasneaus class will help me this year. I never thought it would grow this much I gained motivation back then by all the older bowlers saying you aren't gonna get anywhere bowling that way and all the haters criticizing the 2 handed style and it being unique at the time we don't have that extra motivation now with as fast as it's grown like it has
Hello you are very helpful you guys helped me online to hook the ball with one hand
Me as well.
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Thank you, thank you! Love your show! Super educational! I'm a two-hander, but always incorporate single-handed principles like you say. One question though, I see a trend in not wiping the oil off the ball after every shot--seems to improve scores. Can you comment on that?
maybe it keeps the oil on the track so the ball pushes through the oil a bit more?
I stopped wiping my ball and noticed it seems more consistant than wiping after every shot. I feel like that extra oil on the ball gives a little extra glide if the oil starts to break dowb
I’ve heard about this before but haven’t really got to experiment with it myself. I believe on longer patterns you should be wiping your ball so it still picks up, but on much shorter patterns you can opt to keep the oil on the ball for more consistency
I’ve always religiously wiped my ball after every shot but I grew up bowling during the urethane days, and urethane carry’s oil down if you don’t wipe it off
I bowl two handed and dont wipe, except where my support hand goes. I hate having patches of tracks of oil under my support hand because then it slips around a bit. It does allow shots to be more consistant
As soon as I need something, someone posts a video on it.
I am just getting into bowling, just got the shoes, ball and bag, a metallic blue rhino.
And I bowl 2 handed and I've gotten a few tips from some people at my bowling alley, and thankyou so much for this video.
Welcome to the sport.
I agree but also for the one handed if you manipulate your hand like Prather or Buttriff then I think its just as good or even E.J his revs are the same as Belmo. Great video guys thank you
I have been bowling since 1979. Back then the balls barely hooked and we had to make sure not to throw the ball too hard or it wouldn't get to the pocket. The benefit of two-handed bowling is you can generate a lot more power than one-handed bowlers. In the old days two-handed bowling would have only produced straight balls. By the mid 1990s strong balls became available and wood lanes were replaced with superior synthetic lanes. That introduced modern power bowling where you had to throw it hard so it wouldn't hook too much. At that point two-handed bowling became possible and advantageous.
Today's bowling, like football, respects power - so using two hands is definitely an advantage. But bowling is also a game that demands accuracy and repeatability, which is harder to achieve if you have loads of revs. So it still mostly comes down to experience and the bowler's ability to calculate and execute so their shot hits correctly.
That means if you are a young person starting bowling, then you should learn two-handed bowling, just like you would learn snowboarding instead of skiing (because it isn't cool). But if you are a one-handed bowler with years of experience, then that is fine. You won't become more competitive giving up that experience.
In my younger days I would like beating lefties and in PBA matches I would root for the righty (except Mr. Anthony). But now that there are three forms, righty, lefty, and two-handed, I don't care which hand anymore.
Two handed bowlers simply don't know how to bowling properly and generate power.
This video came right on time, i currently bowl with no thumb but use two fingers and have been interested in moving forward and changing my style to two handed bowling. What are some extra tips that you guys could give, as far as hand position, your approach when it comes to how many steps you should take before releasing the ball, etc? Thanks for the video
When it comes to the approach, I go with a 5 step approach, the same way Jason Belmonte does.
Four or five steps. Your second step (in five step) MUST cross over and you MUST have open hips. You need to create a swing plane. Additionally the two handed style is very athletic and requires good leg muscles for speed and finish position. Unlike one handed, ballspeed in two handed comes entirely from footwork
@@piouswhale honestly don't think you can describe it any better than that 😂👌🏼 nailed it really
Just like with one-handed bowling you can use multiple hand positions. Just make sure to not go around the ball with your hand, stay behind it.
When it comes to how many steps on the approach, Osku told me i should keep using 4 steps because that is what i am used to. It works for me.
Hi Hollow Art, I made a playlist answering your questions. I think It might help: ua-cam.com/play/PLuUCI2RbdGJ0OLwGrC0UB4BaPeIwt3Fev.html
Half thumb 👍🏾
You maintain your grip and are able to get all of your hand around the ball. You can still control ball motion.
I started bowling with my thumb out in the mid 90s. I couldn't hook the ball enough and some other guy in the league threw thumb out and could hook it like crazy and striking a bunch on the condition we were bowling on. He couldn't pick up any spares though. Took me about a year to get comfortable enough to throw it in league. I would bowl thumb in or out depending on the lane conditions. Never even thought about using my other hand for support. Your quad muscles on your slide leg really have to be strong to get low enough at the line and that takes time to build them up.
Used to bowl one handed in the dry months and two handed in the humid months before the USBC changed the weight hole rules (still practiced both). Finally got to where I am able to build two arsenals to utilize both options, but have trouble finding a league I can commit to working third shift so only bowl tournaments I can find when I have weekends off.
Right when I was saying I’m going two handed y’all pull up with a video let’s go.
Hey seriously .. if either of you EVER come to a tournament on the east coast PLEASE let me know lol My home house is Crofton, MD. Hope to see you guys one of these days.
The tournaments that happen tend to be youth. Chris Via did come by a couple years ago to visit our sport shot league over at Greenway.
@@TysBowlingRevolution as someone who group up in the fort meade/odenton area, that house is ... meh to put it nicely lol
Any advice for super senior bowler to be more effective considering we now have many limitations?
Cool video talk tech bowling brad and Kyle
“Taken the bowling world by STORM” I see what you did there ⚡️
We need the stormbreaker from Thor :)))))
I started bowling using my friends dads 15 pound ball from the 80s/90s and did 2 hands cause my weak lil arms cannot support that much weight coming back and forward with 1 arm lol, but need to go buy my own ball that fits my fingers cause that one is WAY to loose on my fingers, my high score is 192 but this was uploaded on my birthday and I'm about to go buy my first bowling ball so hope it all goes good
Got into bowling recently and started off as 2 handler from get go. I just feel like I can cradle the ball much better and get the flat roll or the big hook easily. Not even sure how to use a thumb if I tried lol
Kyle looks pretty good. Hope your recovering well. I just missed st. Charles i should have came down and bowled but left my balls at home. Great video as always.
I bowl like Mike Miller was wondering if you are aloud to bowl with a thumb hole if you use one hand no thumb
I’m actually trying to make the transition from two handed bowling to one handed…
I learned off of house balls, then when I picked up my first bowling ball I drilled it wanting to make the transition to traditional bowling. not trying to compete so I can still throw it two handed if I wanted to, BUT super hard getting fundamentals in with traditional!
Last time i bowled I tried 2 handed with no prior tutorials had no idea how to do it and I actually did better than one handed
I think a big part of it is kids keep with bowling while they are at a young age because they can do it 2 handed even if they are smaller. This means a deeper pool of upcoming talent through the youth ranks and what really makes an athlete great isn't the physical skill, it's the mind and the competitive drive. The more kids you have participating in a sport the greater the talent at the professional level will be. As an adult bowler for me I learned how to hook the ball with no thumb one handed and the transitioned to using my thumb as I got used to hooking it and rolling the ball. I can carry a 190+ league average without having to practice. I'm out to have fun and compete with myself so I am happy with my one handed and wouldn't switch now but if I knew about two handed when I started 20 years ago then I probably would be doing it now.
it's the mind and the competitive drive => totally agree
Can someone give me some advice, every time i bowl my ball feels comfortable but when i released it the ball doesnt ever hook at all. Ive seen videos of myself bowl and looks like it should but the ball doesnt work the way it should. I just bought this ball about two weeks ago. Any advice will be really helpful
Would this be kinda the same with bowling one hand without the thumb?
never used a thumb in 25 years of bowling, started two handed style three years ago and I’m just now crawling back to a 200+ average, may be more power and revs but without consistency, you’ll have a lot of the same leaves you see the best one handers get
Just got into bowling 2 months ago, tried going one handed for a good while but I could never get it right and my thumb kept having the skin ripped off of it. Switched to two handed after seeing another guy down the alley throwing that style and I still had a game or two left to bowl. I found it more comfortable, however as you said it's all up to the person. Some days I'll see tons of two handers in the alley, and other days it'll only be me.
What about a one hander that doesn't use there thumb? Is it the same concept? Like how Tom Daugherty bowls.
I made the switch last year and my strike percentage went up alot but my spare conversion took abit of a dive, was harder to spare than strike at first
I've been learning 2 handed but still shooting spares 1 handed, I think that's worth looking into if you have trouble with spares
@@durteedan7836 I was thinking about it at first but did a couple of weeks of nothing but spare shooting practice and got the hang of it now more or less lol
@@itsdaley gotcha, yeah im just too lazy to relearn spares as well as strike shots lol
Yep I bowl two and shoot spares one handed
@@samiclex6816 I can't do spares with one hand it feels to weird having my thumb in the ball now 😅🤣
I can’t wait to see you tomorrow at the Pro AM
I say do both..that's what I do atleast. I'm comparably decent at both (since I just do it for fun) so I use one to cover the others weakness. Yeah I carry more balls around for that but eh, it's fun knowing that outside of my ability, or lack thereof lol, I'll be able to stay on top of any lane condition.
I’ve been bowling two hands and lately I’ve been trying to increase my rev but the ball has been releasing off my hand really weird where my fingers will get stuck or get absolutely no revs and I don’t know what happened
I'm 1 hand with thumb, bowled 25+y. But i started having pain in my ring finger, 2nd knuckle.
i have a question that somebody can hopefully answer. For any sanctioned league or tournament, am i allowed to switch from one handed to two handed given that my 2 handed balls and 1 handed balls are legal.
I just wanted to put this down here for anyone who is wondering, I bowl 2 handed with my thumb, and I have no issues clearing or anything, I had issues with it in the past, but I added more pitch to my slug and it fixed the issue, 530 rpm’s, 20.9 mph “averages” 234 average. So, the statement around 2 minutes about how your thumb limits all that is incorrect. I could change just as much with my hand has someone without the thumb. This isn’t a hate comment, it’s just a very informative comment about how I bowl and what I have experienced. And I have been bowling 2 handed for about 5 and a half years now. Been bowling for 16 years. 18 years old… and also when I switched from one handed to 2, I ended up developing a much much much cleaner, and disciplined release.
Every individual has different games, so this statement is not true in 100% of cases. But, as a generality it is less limiting without having to clear the thumb. 👍🏼
Perfect brad 🙈
I started bowling two handed because when I first started I was using house balls. I obviously couldn’t hook that so some random guy at the alley said, “try it like this” and tossed it two handed and all of a sudden I could hook a house ball! I mean horribly, but it still hooked. By the time I got around to getting my own equipment I had already gotten used to 2 handed. Now my process is dedicated to figuring out how to do it properly :)
For about four years, I went two-handed as a way to deal with a wrist injury. While that worked, I saw my average drop 40 pins and had to transition back to one-handed. My issue was that I could not generate the speed necessary as a two-hander. My revs jumped from around 270 one-handed to 400 as a two-hander, but my speed dropped from 17-18 mph off my hand one-handed to 13-14 as a two-hander. I wish I could bowl two-handed, because the physical stress was less. But I couldn't do it. People would tell me the obvious -- "Walk faster!" ... "Get your feet moving!" ... "Bend over further at the waist!" -- but I could not figure out how to do it. I *thought* I was doing those things until I saw video of myself and realized I was not. What really confounds me is I watch a guy like Matt Ogle or Chris Via throw two-handed and they don't seem to be rushing the foul line (Via doesn't even slide much, if at all) and it just gets depressing.
This is my exact problem, i dont see how some 2 handers throw it so hard, my speed dropped dramatically like yours, i wonder if it has to do with arm strength too
I will say the reason I started bowling two-handed was because I didn’t have a custom ball fit And I didn’t want to spend $150 on a decent bowling ball that was specialy fit and not know if I even wanted to throw one hand or not. But no matter the fit on the ball you can pretty much throw two handed because you don’t need to rely on grip went to handed.
Can you have a thumbhole if you bowl one handed But two fingers?
Yes! You read the two handed comments!
I converted to 2 handed after having a wrist injury and always had a comfort issue bowling one-handed.
Yeah people who just have weak wrist suit 2handed alot better
@@ONeill1421 Had a tendon issue, couldn't even hold on to bowling ball let alone do a full swing and release
@@itsthe4seaons thats shit two handed would definitely help
"More power than me and Kyle had at your age"
Me: Started bowling two years ago and is 36 years old. :D
Who the second best? Simo or troup??
Kyle looks great bowling 2 handed.. With a little more practice & adoption, he'll be doing great with it.. As a fellow 2 handed bowler, my set up are:
Urethane ball for short patterns
Asymmetrical ball for long patterns
House ball for some spare shots
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@@angrybadger4236 🤣🤣🤣 don't have plastic ball that's why I'm using house ball for spare shots.. They don't hook much even with high Rev applied.. 😉👍
@@christiansonio412 do you have any other steps in your arsenal or do you go straight from urethane to heavy duty asym?
@@angrybadger4236 I don’t have any other Arsenals.. I’m just talking & asking the bowling center staff for oil length application depending upon my mood if I want a short or long pattern. Then I’m using them straight on..
@@angrybadger4236 sometimes, I’m using both lanes with different oil length applied so that I’ll be able to utilize my 2 Arsenals. The house ball is my bread & butter actually for spare shootings
I throw 1 handed but I throw no thumb. Similar to TD and trust me it is harder but once you figure it out and learn how to read the lanes house shots can be made unplayable for some. It can be an advantage there. I used to throw with a thumb (for about 30 years age of 5 to 35) and I cranked the heck out of the ball. Used to have a swing like Rudy Revs. However I had an improper thumbhole and it was too loose. Ball fell off my hand and instead of dropping it behind me I grabbed and forced myself to come around it to hang on. I tore thumb ligaments because of that (at the age of 30) so I struggled for years trying to bowl that I finally taught myself how to bowl no thumb back in 2015. I have been off and on and only back to no thumb permanently for 2 years now (the reason is someone said well you are getting close to 40 might as well throw with a thumb).
Please tell me this is fresh content and you healed up and can be at the regional this weekend.
Is it legal to change styles during a tournament?
Nope!
I thought about switching to 2 hands, I might try it next summer...
Is bowling 2 handed with a thumb hole fine if I don't bowl league?
So I'm a 1 hander and I have absolutely no problem with 2 handers. But every video I watch always talks about nothing but the pros of two handed bowling. People glorify it. But they fail to talk about the cons. I'm actually interested in becoming a coach and I'm in the process so I have a ball that I specifically use to practice 2 handed because I know I will have to coach 2 handers. But as a 1 hander I am terrible at it. I want to know what I'm talking about and in theory I know how to do it but practically I don't. So I think people need to know about the hardships that come with bowling two handed too. Your swing plane changes..your footwork changes your mental game even changes.. people need to hear about that aspect as well.. Just a personal take though.
As someone who is going from the traditional style to 2 handed bowling I can agree with you 100 percent. It's taken me months to break habits I've formed with 30 years of bowling traditionally. The hardest thing for me was my approach. I think I'm on my 10th revision now.
One thing I haven't changed yet... my thumb is still in the ball. I understand that it's uncommon but I know what I need to do at the bottom with my hand. I was a 450+ rpm guy throwing 18-20 mph but I tore my shoulder up pretty good at work a few years ago and starting having issues at the end of last season. It did require me to change pitches and go back to grips as I hate throwing with plug material on my fingers. Will have to play around with different layouts as well as my standard pin up rolls dangerously close to my thumb now too.
One thing that wasnt mentioned was the need to have your left hand across your body for much longer making the approach alot more awkward. It may be much harder for older bowlers to manage as the left arm needs to stay supporting the ball alot longer.
Love the song to your intro. What’s the name of the song?….lol
I'm a one handed bowler. I drill my ball weird I FINGER TIP my thumb hole just like my finger holes. Bc I can get my thumb out because its almost already out. When I first told my proshop that's what I wanted he was like you'll drop it it ain't gonna work. And it was weird for like the fiat game but after that everything clicked rev went up speed followed and been smashing it ever since.
I was wondering how yall felt about two finger bowling with one hand.
Why is my rev rate the same I was 1 handed and switches to 2 and my rev rate has not changed
I’ve bowled my whole life 2 handed with a thumb and have been curious if removing my thumb from my game would be beneficial or not.
It helped Shawn Maldonado quite a bit.
Not having to clear the thumb is an advantage
Thank you so mich
I really like this video obviously we have belmo, osku, troup, packy, etc for amazing two handers. Then the tangs, Brad and Kyle amazing one handers so like you said there's no way that's better than the other.
Myself I use two hands because I have a chronic back condition and it gives me more stability and I like the energy transfer.
So if you bowl both ways,you have to have 2 different balls?
I'm a in-between bowler lol I'm a no thumb bowler but I'm not two handed. I can NOT do 2 handed it hurts me for some reason and I cant use a thumb I can never get my thumb out right. I will say I have a higher rev rate and I have good control. its hard to play up 5 but its very doable with a plastic/ dry ball.
As a 28 year old just getting into bowling and learning how, I've chosen to learn 2 handed
uhmm, if i put my thumb into the ball but throw it like a two hander, what are the rules when it comes to thumbhole?
I'm not an expert on the rules, but I believe that if you have finger holes in your ball, they have to be used.
So if your ball has three finger holes, each one needs a finger/thumb in it. However if your ball only had the two finger holes in it, and you don't use your thumb then it's ok.
So if you're in a league that follows the standards set by the USBC, all holes in the ball must be used when it's released.
As long as every hole is being used, ur good to go!
people can be 2 handed and use their thumb, as well as being 1 handed and not use their thumb. perfectly legal :D (so long as every hole is used on the ball every shot, so you can have a 2 handed strike ball and 1 handed spare ball, but you'd have to use the strike ball for strikes only and the spare ball for spares only.)
I have tried to switch to two handed but have a hard time with generating any speed any tips?
Legs, Legs and more LEGS
@@BradandKyleBowl so walk faster? I have tried and still throw it to slow same as 1 handed lol
@@allenthomas914 what helped me the most with ball speed is to increase the size of one of your steps. 4 step approach: take a huge second step. 5 step approach: take a huge third step. It'll get your body moving faster and produce more ball speed
I've found that bending the elbow on the backswing really increased speed. You will get a higher backswing and thus a longer swing.
The possible problem for some is that bowling 2-handed requires more athleticism. Notice how a 2-handed bowler's head is much closer to the floor of the lane than the heads of one-handers. You're really down there bowling 2-handed and the ball on the bent-arm backswing will be close to level with your head.
Word of caution: Twisting the back while bent over requires fitness and flexibility found more often in the young than the not-so-young.
Then again, it's been said: You're as old as your back.
I know 2 handers that for their spares they use their thumb
Hey what would you guys say about bowling 2handed vs 1handed in terms of Stress on the knee of the sliding leg?
I imagine 2handers put more Stress on their knee then 1handers?
Anyone?
I'm a 2h bowler and I have terrible knees (multiple knee injuries over time because of basketball). Got back into bowling and bowled 2h -- I can tell you that I have to wear a knee brace on my sliding knee or I will feel it the next day or whenever my leg cools down. You'd be better off going 1h if you're looking to keep the stress off your knee because you can control your footwork easier. With 2h you have to have great footwork and explosive legs to get the power you want in your swing.
I got the knee pain when switching to 2 handed. But when I found my right timing and swing slot, my sliding step gets better, hence the knee problem disappeared.
Will the current two handers make it in the PBA50 when the time comes?
WRW JR does it now so my guess will be yes.
@@alexomc1667 he has the option of going back and forth, he’s not a permanent two hander
What about half thumb. If your cannot do two hands half work well too.
Is there any way you guys could make a vid about 1 handed thumbless? It seems like a middle of the ground style. More revs than 1 handed traditional but less than 2 handed. I personally believe the 1 handed thumbless has the most versatility and least specialization. I've bowled both 1 handed and 2 handed but I feel the hybrid style gives me too many options to not try and perfect it. Could also be garbage and maybe it's holding me back, would love to see a video anyway
But with 1 handed thumbless, your arm and wrist must be really strong @@ plus your palm should be large enough just like Tom Daughetry
@@BowlismOutlaw it doesn't feel any more difficult than 1 handed traditional. I have large hands but I know bowlers smaller than me who use a bowling glove and have no issues with stamina or anything. I do have an issue with technique tho, it's hard to find tips for a 1 handed thumbless realease or aproach.
@@popanda3652 uhm...worth thinking
My back hurts whenever I have tried two handed. I do have some chronic lower back issues. If I didn't I would probably make the switch.
Is this a good set of ball:
Storm Marvel Maxx Black
Storm Proton PhySIX
Hammer Bad Intentions Hybrid
Motiv Jackal Legacy
I must confess that thumb fitting clearing in 1 handed style takes so much time and patience. Many newbie can easily quit bowling due to this "pain in the butt".
I think it's just a matter of choice when choosing 1 or 2 handed style. All the benefit of 2 handed bowling would become trash if we don't know how to control it. To me, the core value of bowling is the happiness of adjusting and diversification on multiple conditions and transitions. P/S I am a 2 handed bowler who switched from 1 handed.
How can you tell if you have a bad rack
I bowl 3 leagues and I’m planning on doing my two serious league one handed and my fun league 2 handed
There is a 11 year old is m bowling alley that bowled a 801 he also been bowling since 5 years old
Actually you can have a thumb hole two handed if you use it. My brother uses a thumb for two handed
I switched to two-handed because of wrist pain bowling one-handed.
me with swelling thumb 😢
The only negative I would believe would be longevity. How long can you bowl two handed before physical problems pop up.
What’s next? No holes in the bowling ball. Would that be illegal?
I would like a video of how to learn to bowl one handed if you’re already two handed. I would like to use one handed for short patterns
We have many instructional videos on how to use drills, secret techniques, as well as lane play all throughout our channel!
Can ej out rev belmonte?
I have more revs with my thumb in the ball than without.
Hitting your mark is the single most important thing you can do.
2 handers leave alot more 7/10 splits too
Everyone gives into cosmic bowling
I bowl 1 handed most of the time but sometimes I’ll just throw two handed during practice just because it’s fun to throw that way
Unfair advantage need to ban it! I personally know we'll known professionals that are pissed about it but won't say it publicly
I'd love to know what both of you would think about someone using one hand, but no thumb. Haha. Rather it's like Tom Dougherty or something more specific to that person. What advice would either of you give someone doing that?
right intro guy is dollar tree sypher pk
wait did kyle actually switch
I ended up changing to two handed specifically because the thumb is a pain