I learned a lot from this. So many people will just tell new players to use national without realizing new players don't have Xiangling cons and are going to have very lackluster damage. I also see a lot of people do fairly suboptimal rotations, and people sometimes recommend noblesse Bennett and emblem XQ which is suboptimal and less resin efficient.
I'd like to think "Noblesse Bennett and Emblem Xingqiu is more versatile" but then I realized Instructor Bennett & Noblesse Xingqiu also works in other teams. Like other vape teams (Diluc, Hu Tao), Taser teams, or Quickbloom teams (not Hyperbloom bcs ATK is kinda useless :P). Unless you're playing a non reaction team since Noblesse Bennett is preferred. I also learned from playing Raiden National with a non-C4 XL, the rotation can change whether you have C4 Xiangling or not
@@xxx_lolidestroyer69_xxxuwu58 Wait how does Xiangling's C4 changed Raiden National rotation? I never knew about this(or I'm just not playing rational not optimally)
@@Enjou777 aight get ready for the long ass reply So C4 XL increases Pyronado's duration by a whopping 4 seconds. In Rational there's a time where Raiden has to be on field for 7s and you can't swap out unlike in Sucrose National (this video) where anyone can be on field. This is the rotation of a Rational team with a C4 Xiangling: Raiden E -> Xq Q/NA -> Bennett E/Q -> Xiangling E/Q -> Xq 2E (*) -> Raiden Q/NA If Xiangling isn't C4 then Pyronado will disappear before Raiden's burst runs out so you might want to modify the rotation by changing (*) to either: 1. Cast Xq E once before Bennett burst and then cast again after XL burst for the vape dmg. Pyronado will still disappear before Raiden's burst runs out 2. Cast Xq E twice before Pyronado to maximise Xiangling's damage from Overvape at the cost of Xingqiu's E which can vape. But tbh either way it's just a matter of how skilled you are (by paying attention to enemies patterns so your rotation won't get interrupted) and how good your ping is. And also it's just a matter of fact of whose dmg you want to maximize between the 3 (Raiden, Xiangling, or Xingqiu). And at the end of the day all of these doesn't matter if your Xiangling is C4. It's as the original comment said: your team without her C4 will have lackluster damage. This doesn't affect Sucrose National, and it doesn't change International's rotation, it only affects Childe's on-field time & ER requirements AFAIK
@@xxx_lolidestroyer69_xxxuwu58 Ahh I see thanks for explaining. I only notice the C4 change in international but that's prob because I use the team more rather than rational due to not having that much choice back in 2.X to clear the abyss.
Can say I learned something new. Xingqiu is pretty important for this team at ceiling level. Thought Childe was miles better turns out the difference isn't that massive. Correct Positioning with Xingqiu can allow his rainsword to drop down the ruin drake, can see why some Raiden national were used in the top abyss now. Xiangling can actually reach the 100k with enough investment and normal rotation. I thought this was always bullshit as some Xiangling could only reach 150k with R5 SoSS, Elegy Childe and C2 R1 Kazuha and NGA has 60K Vape as her maximize output in Childe inter and don't think standard national should be much higher. Pyranodo has even more shenanigans than I thought as if Xiao's collision plunge wasn't just weird as well, showing even more how undercooked Genshin CBT was (enemy hurtbox is also a huge issue), as someone currently interested in Wuthering Wave can only hope stuff like this are accurately tested by the devs with good feedback. C6 Bennett is a double edge sword for National apparently, always thought it was a straight up increase everywhere but Ayaka, Eula and Keqing turns out it seem to only be true if you mainly use Sucrose carry or a 5* that won't get overriden by Bennett infusion. The team is actually not casual friendly and DPS drops massively if a mistake is made which is expected from a full team reliant on ER, it just that the damage of the team (or more like Genshin playable characters do to much damage or the enemies are too weak) is so high that even playing Unga Bunga you can 36* with it. I'm confused on the artifact section being easy because I'm pretty sure every team is like that. Like the way you portrayed National can be applied for any team. An Ayaka freeze team takes about the exact same level of investment if not less considering you can get everything in strongbox. Noblesse, VV, BS. So this section left me with many interogation point. I guess if the comparison is new teams like Dendro I can see it for now but it will eventually go into Strongbox too. Should be about it for what you said. Can you tell me for 5* weapons which ones is an overall practical increase for the team (I know Sucrose has none) and how much different each one is to the other.
to clarify, c6 bennett is an increase for this team. it just makes it more complex to play. as for the artifacts question, yes a comparison is newer teams which have many sets not available from the strongbox. aquila favonia for bennett, and either engulfing or scarlet sands are upgrades for xiangling, although it's not a huge gap.
ttds sucrose is like 50% stronger than kazuha at buffing single amplification reaction carry you wouldn't be suprised if you ever looked at her at least once
People see a single big number from Childe and immediately forgot how big XL Q can hit each time, as well as the 26 second rotation that Childe forced uppon his team mate, which is a 30% decrease in dps for XL. And those people forgot XQ got a freakingly strong nuke too on his double E. It's just harder to execute...just like Childe entire rotation.
It's a pretty powerful team for new players but it's not for casuals. It requires some skill to 36* the current abyss with this exact team. It's easier with Childe (International) and way easier with Raiden (Raiden National or Rational). I still like how this team set the basis for more powerful team comps since it's core is very versatile. The Bennett-XL duo + some hydro application makes a lot of characters shine (or can also carry some other characters that are not that great haha)
lmao what is this take, childe has his cd management and his hydro app is directly tied to his atk combos. he also has no interruption res, unlike raiden and xq I don't think its easier for casuals to get into International.
@@daybreakxr I didn't mean easier in terms of gameplay, I meant easier in terms of higher DPS since that's what the abyss is about due to its time limits. That said, those teams are a little bit more complicated to use but that's it. Even with Sukokomon and its super tight rotation, this game is extremely easy to play and requires just like 10 minutes of practice to pull a perfect rotation at most. Calling a team "difficult for casuals" is this game is insulting compared to getting perfect combos on modern fighting games or getting a 360 headshot on a competitive fps.
@@noctisarcanus7894 It's not just the problem of execution. RNG and enemies pattern eff International big time. Unlike National which focus on XL damage and provide you any utilities for her, Childe robbed XL of 30% dps (26 second of rotation instead of 20 sec XL burst), as well as field time to fuel both XL and bennet. And Childe have to dodge every single hit which mean as soon as enemies fight back, he's worse than XQ. Casual ain't gonna study enemies pattern which different from every single enemies and floor.
My national did not last very long, as soon as I was able to make use of it the Beasts were introduced. Batterying XL and Bennett both is not fun and Bennett and XQ both apply their own elements on themselves which makes it very iffy when beast or new hilichulrl have very strong elemental attacks. It’s an issue on triple Kenkis as well because of the ice field. The core problem lies exactly with how old this team is, because people playing for a very long time have constellations or almost perfect artifacts so they may brush most of these issues off. Yes if my XL also did 100k hits or I saw XQs big nuke I may not have noticed the huge Hp pools of the enemies and incoming damage (same for internatting and childe’s room clearing nukes), but because the team lacks protection is what ultimately kills it for me as a more or less newer player, and not investing in survivability instead or trying to find new ways around this with new characters or different teams already shows the cracks at the end of this current version of the game
*sorry got distracted - Bennett is so helpful he apples pyro on everyone through his field. So you kind of want to heal the damage you just took form a big hit, but it forces you to go on the field and potentially make matters worse while every character on this team is quite squishy. Rain Swords DR and interruption resistance isn't enough currently. Sorry if this sounds like doomposting, but I wish I was only theorizing. Unfortunately I'm speaking from experience and dying over and over is just not fun while middle investment would not have enough damage to pray that one of the 50 attempts will end up in a good clear time But then you also need to battery for the next room ⚰
Loved the guide, but I think that character quality is another downside to this team, using up xingqiu and sucrose on one side if you don't have yelan/kazuha really weakens the other side, completely disallowing any vape team to be formed, taking xingqiu away from a potential hyperbloom team and taking bennett away from raw dps teams
Without 5* units Xingqiu hurts a lot to lose, but Sucrose is a bit less bad because Heizou and Lynette are OK replacements. Hyperbloom can run Barbara as well if you have sac frags. Otherwise it's painful
Just slap yaoyao, fischl, beidou, and diona on the other side. Diona can be replaced by a bunch of other characters, but this aggravate team is pretty strong for not using the national characters.
Can this work without c6 xingqiu?When I swirl with sucrose, I always end up spread pyro with sucrose instead of xingqiu,, to the point where I lose almost all the vapes.. Mostly in multi target though..
My crowned lvl90 C3 Xiangling with Homa, 70/200 crit, 240 EM, and 1.4k ATK doesn't even even deal that much dmg 💀And the only buff I don't have is 4p instructor and maybe sucrose C6
Im AR45 and starting to build 2 teams (Nilou Bloom and this national team)...just want to ask, I have both Yelan(C0) and Xingqiu....whos better to use? Is it also fine if I use Kazuha (C0) instead of Sucrose (although I have her also)....great vid btw! ❤❤❤
I'd chaose xingqiu because of his higher hydro application and defensive utility, even though yelan has higher personal damage. Also, I think sucrose is better in this team than kazuha, since she can weild TTDS, swirl with her normal attacks for more damage and do guoba swirl making the setups easier.
if you had both scarlet sands no refines and r5 catch, which would you use? also if scarlet sands means i have to use an ER time piece on xiangling does it fall behind the catch even tho there are so many external attack buffs?
i'd probably still say scarlet sands since it gives so much cr and has a good passive... running an er sands isn't a huge loss too since you have bennet, noblesse, and pyro res, so unless you really need to invest into someone else, i think building her around scarlet sands will be a nice upgrade, and it'll free up the catch for raiden if you happen to have her
if you have both weapons, aside from crit rate differences you should simply just be able to see which weapon is giving the bigger hit number for you, although i'd likely use ss. just make sure u dont run into energy issues
This team has a lot of EM buffs that i end up getting 600 EM on my xiangling. This makes scarlet sands buff 312 attack which make it overall around 8% better for me with ER sands since it's a lot more than usual Scarlet sands also has the advantage of potentially higher dmg. even tho it doesn't happen often, if you can snapshot some stacks on your xiangling it becomes a lot better
Both the instructor’s set and the exile set drop from weekly bosses and chests, so you should be able to get them passively. Just save any piece with er or crit rate.
You can keep it the same since xiangling triggers overvape, you could also go triple emblem and bennet noblesse for more damage, depends on your artifacts
As a veteran F2P player, I don’t agree that using the strongbox is a stellar idea. I’m always strapped for artifact experience, and junk artifacts often feel like a blessing in disguise once I do get a good piece. Losing 6000 exp minimum per conversion does add up.
If you need to burn most of your new 5* artifacts for exp as well, you're probably not farming often enough for a really good set anyway. Strongbox will 1.5x your useful artifact output (you only strongbox bad ones), which is more resin than you could possibly save than by using it as artifact exp to level things quickly.
@@polyhedron4258 But where are you getting all this XP? On an average day, 160 resin earns me 1-2 good pieces and the XP to maybe +16 them if they’re worth. Sure you’re strong boxing to get better +0 artifacts, but without refreshes, it takes a while to top it off, no?
@@StarShade0 Yep it takes a while, but im willing to wait. If I need a new set for a new character I usually pre-farm for a whole patch and use the failed/replacable +4 or higher rolls to reuse for exp. Most of my characters are already built, so strongbox helps with upgrading existing pieces/sets more than upgrading a new set from scratch.
“or just press and inshallah” acc the best strategy atp esp with them consecrated beasts flying around 😭
You forgot to include 2023 in the title somewhere
National's a classic: It's old but ages like fine wine.
Thank you for sharing insights of the team that's overlooked!
I'll be honest, this might be the best guide on National I've seen. Simply because it covers so many practical nuances that are glossed over.
glad you enjoyed it!
I learned a lot from this. So many people will just tell new players to use national without realizing new players don't have Xiangling cons and are going to have very lackluster damage. I also see a lot of people do fairly suboptimal rotations, and people sometimes recommend noblesse Bennett and emblem XQ which is suboptimal and less resin efficient.
I'd like to think "Noblesse Bennett and Emblem Xingqiu is more versatile" but then I realized Instructor Bennett & Noblesse Xingqiu also works in other teams. Like other vape teams (Diluc, Hu Tao), Taser teams, or Quickbloom teams (not Hyperbloom bcs ATK is kinda useless :P). Unless you're playing a non reaction team since Noblesse Bennett is preferred.
I also learned from playing Raiden National with a non-C4 XL, the rotation can change whether you have C4 Xiangling or not
@@xxx_lolidestroyer69_xxxuwu58 Wait how does Xiangling's C4 changed Raiden National rotation? I never knew about this(or I'm just not playing rational not optimally)
@@Enjou777 aight get ready for the long ass reply
So C4 XL increases Pyronado's duration by a whopping 4 seconds. In Rational there's a time where Raiden has to be on field for 7s and you can't swap out unlike in Sucrose National (this video) where anyone can be on field.
This is the rotation of a Rational team with a C4 Xiangling:
Raiden E -> Xq Q/NA -> Bennett E/Q -> Xiangling E/Q -> Xq 2E (*) -> Raiden Q/NA
If Xiangling isn't C4 then Pyronado will disappear before Raiden's burst runs out so you might want to modify the rotation by changing (*) to either:
1. Cast Xq E once before Bennett burst and then cast again after XL burst for the vape dmg. Pyronado will still disappear before Raiden's burst runs out
2. Cast Xq E twice before Pyronado to maximise Xiangling's damage from Overvape at the cost of Xingqiu's E which can vape.
But tbh either way it's just a matter of how skilled you are (by paying attention to enemies patterns so your rotation won't get interrupted) and how good your ping is. And also it's just a matter of fact of whose dmg you want to maximize between the 3 (Raiden, Xiangling, or Xingqiu).
And at the end of the day all of these doesn't matter if your Xiangling is C4. It's as the original comment said: your team without her C4 will have lackluster damage.
This doesn't affect Sucrose National, and it doesn't change International's rotation, it only affects Childe's on-field time & ER requirements AFAIK
@@xxx_lolidestroyer69_xxxuwu58 Ahh I see thanks for explaining. I only notice the C4 change in international but that's prob because I use the team more rather than rational due to not having that much choice back in 2.X to clear the abyss.
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Can say I learned something new.
Xingqiu is pretty important for this team at ceiling level. Thought Childe was miles better turns out the difference isn't that massive.
Correct Positioning with Xingqiu can allow his rainsword to drop down the ruin drake, can see why some Raiden national were used in the top abyss now.
Xiangling can actually reach the 100k with enough investment and normal rotation. I thought this was always bullshit as some Xiangling could only reach 150k with R5 SoSS, Elegy Childe and C2 R1 Kazuha and NGA has 60K Vape as her maximize output in Childe inter and don't think standard national should be much higher.
Pyranodo has even more shenanigans than I thought as if Xiao's collision plunge wasn't just weird as well, showing even more how undercooked Genshin CBT was (enemy hurtbox is also a huge issue), as someone currently interested in Wuthering Wave can only hope stuff like this are accurately tested by the devs with good feedback.
C6 Bennett is a double edge sword for National apparently, always thought it was a straight up increase everywhere but Ayaka, Eula and Keqing turns out it seem to only be true if you mainly use Sucrose carry or a 5* that won't get overriden by Bennett infusion.
The team is actually not casual friendly and DPS drops massively if a mistake is made which is expected from a full team reliant on ER, it just that the damage of the team (or more like Genshin playable characters do to much damage or the enemies are too weak) is so high that even playing Unga Bunga you can 36* with it.
I'm confused on the artifact section being easy because I'm pretty sure every team is like that. Like the way you portrayed National can be applied for any team.
An Ayaka freeze team takes about the exact same level of investment if not less considering you can get everything in strongbox. Noblesse, VV, BS.
So this section left me with many interogation point. I guess if the comparison is new teams like Dendro I can see it for now but it will eventually go into Strongbox too.
Should be about it for what you said.
Can you tell me for 5* weapons which ones is an overall practical increase for the team (I know Sucrose has none) and how much different each one is to the other.
to clarify, c6 bennett is an increase for this team. it just makes it more complex to play. as for the artifacts question, yes a comparison is newer teams which have many sets not available from the strongbox. aquila favonia for bennett, and either engulfing or scarlet sands are upgrades for xiangling, although it's not a huge gap.
ttds sucrose is like 50% stronger than kazuha at buffing single amplification reaction carry you wouldn't be suprised if you ever looked at her at least once
@@jamiekb9v Does Xingqiu get nothing from 5* weapons?
@@dendenmushi9714 sac sword is best
People see a single big number from Childe and immediately forgot how big XL Q can hit each time, as well as the 26 second rotation that Childe forced uppon his team mate, which is a 30% decrease in dps for XL. And those people forgot XQ got a freakingly strong nuke too on his double E. It's just harder to execute...just like Childe entire rotation.
JUST PRESS AND INSHALLAH
That's the most accurate thing I ever heard in this game
Thank you so much for the explanation!!
Never imagined playing it optimally would be so complicated, but super cool to watch at least
can we get a guide like this but with kazuha instead of sucrose?
It's a pretty powerful team for new players but it's not for casuals. It requires some skill to 36* the current abyss with this exact team. It's easier with Childe (International) and way easier with Raiden (Raiden National or Rational). I still like how this team set the basis for more powerful team comps since it's core is very versatile. The Bennett-XL duo + some hydro application makes a lot of characters shine (or can also carry some other characters that are not that great haha)
International is NOT easier to play AT ALL due to it's restrictive rotation (even worse for casuals), national team is more simple to play IMO
lmao what is this take, childe has his cd management and his hydro app is directly tied to his atk combos. he also has no interruption res, unlike raiden and xq
I don't think its easier for casuals to get into International.
@@daybreakxr I didn't mean easier in terms of gameplay, I meant easier in terms of higher DPS since that's what the abyss is about due to its time limits. That said, those teams are a little bit more complicated to use but that's it. Even with Sukokomon and its super tight rotation, this game is extremely easy to play and requires just like 10 minutes of practice to pull a perfect rotation at most. Calling a team "difficult for casuals" is this game is insulting compared to getting perfect combos on modern fighting games or getting a 360 headshot on a competitive fps.
@@tropfresh_ read my response above
@@noctisarcanus7894 It's not just the problem of execution. RNG and enemies pattern eff International big time. Unlike National which focus on XL damage and provide you any utilities for her, Childe robbed XL of 30% dps (26 second of rotation instead of 20 sec XL burst), as well as field time to fuel both XL and bennet.
And Childe have to dodge every single hit which mean as soon as enemies fight back, he's worse than XQ. Casual ain't gonna study enemies pattern which different from every single enemies and floor.
thank you for the guide, i got the team but never understood what i was doing
Please do this for International
Great guide! Thumbs up
My national did not last very long, as soon as I was able to make use of it the Beasts were introduced. Batterying XL and Bennett both is not fun and Bennett and XQ both apply their own elements on themselves which makes it very iffy when beast or new hilichulrl have very strong elemental attacks. It’s an issue on triple Kenkis as well because of the ice field.
The core problem lies exactly with how old this team is, because people playing for a very long time have constellations or almost perfect artifacts so they may brush most of these issues off. Yes if my XL also did 100k hits or I saw XQs big nuke I may not have noticed the huge Hp pools of the enemies and incoming damage (same for internatting and childe’s room clearing nukes), but because the team lacks protection is what ultimately kills it for me as a more or less newer player, and not investing in survivability instead or trying to find new ways around this with new characters or different teams already shows the cracks at the end of this current version of the game
*sorry got distracted - Bennett is so helpful he apples pyro on everyone through his field. So you kind of want to heal the damage you just took form a big hit, but it forces you to go on the field and potentially make matters worse while every character on this team is quite squishy. Rain Swords DR and interruption resistance isn't enough currently.
Sorry if this sounds like doomposting, but I wish I was only theorizing. Unfortunately I'm speaking from experience and dying over and over is just not fun while middle investment would not have enough damage to pray that one of the 50 attempts will end up in a good clear time
But then you also need to battery for the next room ⚰
great video, thanks!
Loved the guide, but I think that character quality is another downside to this team, using up xingqiu and sucrose on one side if you don't have yelan/kazuha really weakens the other side, completely disallowing any vape team to be formed, taking xingqiu away from a potential hyperbloom team and taking bennett away from raw dps teams
Good point, I know this but forgot to discuss it 👍
Without 5* units Xingqiu hurts a lot to lose, but Sucrose is a bit less bad because Heizou and Lynette are OK replacements.
Hyperbloom can run Barbara as well if you have sac frags. Otherwise it's painful
Just slap yaoyao, fischl, beidou, and diona on the other side. Diona can be replaced by a bunch of other characters, but this aggravate team is pretty strong for not using the national characters.
non c6 xingqiu and with fav sword and I need like 250er (well, I may need a bit less, but those are the artifacts I got)
Can I use yelan instead of sucrose in these team?
InshaAllah i will get 12 star on abys with this team
HI please can you do a video about ganyu melt please
can xiangling hit 100k without c6? i have her on c5
Can this work without c6 xingqiu?When I swirl with sucrose, I always end up spread pyro with sucrose instead of xingqiu,, to the point where I lose almost all the vapes.. Mostly in multi target though..
the setups just require a lot of practice! 😃
Press and inshallah 😂
Hi, how would you build chongyun in that team instead of surcrose?
And are there any differences for the other characters if i use chongyun?
A little late but you put chongyun on noblesse and xinqiu on emblem
or chongyun on instructor, bennet on noblesse and xinqiu on emblem
is it even worth using XL at C0? I've got Diluc so maybe he's better for pyro teams?
Yea you should use diluc
Just curious, will be there a guide about popular national variations like Baalnational or International?
Do u spam NA with Sucrose after the setup or u do energy funneling to Xiangling? Cuz i think if that is what u do u will mess up some vapes
Wasn't original National with Chongyun?
There are variants
both, chongyun was more popular originally but people knew about viridescent venerer's power early too and venti anti-synergy with xl
My crowned lvl90 C3 Xiangling with Homa, 70/200 crit, 240 EM, and 1.4k ATK doesn't even even deal that much dmg 💀And the only buff I don't have is 4p instructor and maybe sucrose C6
huh???? maybe skill issue or…. are u using the same artefact sets on ur national characters as jamie in the video?
Would C2 Yelan and C6 Kazuha be able to replace Xingqui and Sucrose, while being better than them. Or would it be a sidegrade/downgrade?
C2 Kazuha with Freedom sworn is an upgrade. As for Yelan, she's definitely in single target but in AOE, her hydro application is not too perfect.
21:06 wtf xiangling can hit twice???
Is your account in Akasha? I would like to compare it to my own.
Im AR45 and starting to build 2 teams (Nilou Bloom and this national team)...just want to ask, I have both Yelan(C0) and Xingqiu....whos better to use? Is it also fine if I use Kazuha (C0) instead of Sucrose (although I have her also)....great vid btw! ❤❤❤
I'd chaose xingqiu because of his higher hydro application and defensive utility, even though yelan has higher personal damage.
Also, I think sucrose is better in this team than kazuha, since she can weild TTDS, swirl with her normal attacks for more damage and do guoba swirl making the setups easier.
Xinqiu with xiangling because of higher hydro application and yelan with nilou since she's only there for damage
I randomly got a Jade Spear on standard banner. Could I use that on XL instead of the Catch?
yes its pretty solid!
what talents should i focus on?
xiangling, bennett, xq all 3 bursts, and xq skill. sucrose you can ignore
See u on patch 7.0 khaenriah 😆
Nothing gonna nerf this big fukin team
Easily 550 primos every 2 weeks 😆
Can you run heizou instead of sucrose here while achieving similar dps?
Theoretically maybe but in practice unfortunately no
if you had both scarlet sands no refines and r5 catch, which would you use? also if scarlet sands means i have to use an ER time piece on xiangling does it fall behind the catch even tho there are so many external attack buffs?
i'd probably still say scarlet sands since it gives so much cr and has a good passive... running an er sands isn't a huge loss too since you have bennet, noblesse, and pyro res, so unless you really need to invest into someone else, i think building her around scarlet sands will be a nice upgrade, and it'll free up the catch for raiden if you happen to have her
if you have both weapons, aside from crit rate differences you should simply just be able to see which weapon is giving the bigger hit number for you, although i'd likely use ss. just make sure u dont run into energy issues
This team has a lot of EM buffs that i end up getting 600 EM on my xiangling. This makes scarlet sands buff 312 attack which make it overall around 8% better for me with ER sands since it's a lot more than usual
Scarlet sands also has the advantage of potentially higher dmg. even tho it doesn't happen often, if you can snapshot some stacks on your xiangling it becomes a lot better
the instructor set doesnt drop from shimenawa´s domain, is there any better way to farm it for bennett?
Both the instructor’s set and the exile set drop from weekly bosses and chests, so you should be able to get them passively. Just save any piece with er or crit rate.
Would the team build stay the same if we use Raiden instead of sucrose?
You can keep it the same since xiangling triggers overvape, you could also go triple emblem and bennet noblesse for more damage, depends on your artifacts
thanks @@rudy2538
Press and inshallah
As a veteran F2P player, I don’t agree that using the strongbox is a stellar idea. I’m always strapped for artifact experience, and junk artifacts often feel like a blessing in disguise once I do get a good piece. Losing 6000 exp minimum per conversion does add up.
If you need to burn most of your new 5* artifacts for exp as well, you're probably not farming often enough for a really good set anyway.
Strongbox will 1.5x your useful artifact output (you only strongbox bad ones), which is more resin than you could possibly save than by using it as artifact exp to level things quickly.
It's better than wasting your resin on artifact domains that only a few characters uses. Unlike the gilded and emblem domain
@@polyhedron4258 But where are you getting all this XP? On an average day, 160 resin earns me 1-2 good pieces and the XP to maybe +16 them if they’re worth.
Sure you’re strong boxing to get better +0 artifacts, but without refreshes, it takes a while to top it off, no?
@@kianmarcial8884 Why though? The shitty bloodstained piece I got today can go toward the Emblem Crit mask I just got a few days ago.
@@StarShade0 Yep it takes a while, but im willing to wait. If I need a new set for a new character I usually pre-farm for a whole patch and use the failed/replacable +4 or higher rolls to reuse for exp. Most of my characters are already built, so strongbox helps with upgrading existing pieces/sets more than upgrading a new set from scratch.
Few reason why raiden is overrated