My 24pt 1G TPLink Omada switch had some nasty loud fans so i switched them out for Noctua fans that are much quieter. I run Omada gear at home because i find it so much more reliable than generic consumer grade equipment.
Great to see you've got the 3 in 1 router/controller. I'm thinking about picking it up as my first step into the Omada network. I've seen reviews about it that say it lacks dedicated switch functionalities (setting up a port to use a specific VLAN for example), though.. I'm interested to see your observations. Edit: I choose the er707-m2 with the sg2210p
I've been eying that switch as of late to upgrade my existing TP-Link switch. I do agree it's a little steep, and should be in that $350-$380 range. Which would make it $100/+ less than the Ubiquiti equivalent. I will be keeping my EAP653, no need to upgrade that as it fits my needs perfectly. Now if that ER7212PC had 2.5gb and POE++ at the $400 price point, take my money!
Nice! I run the OC200 + ER605 + TL-SG2218 +SG2008S+ 3X AX1800 WAPs. Good setup, but I like the combining of the SDN/Router and you are right...Not a fan of just 1Gb LAN. So yeah, good stuff! Nice review man. I'll keep this stack in mind. Might have to convince my wife we need it.... :)
Real shame the 3 in 1 thingy doesn't have 2.5Gbe, that I could really see it as a long term investment, given how many devices are getting 2.5Gbe, potential but fell short! And I too would probably have concerns about the CPU. Think I'll stick with my new Aliexpress Intel N100 device that has 2.5Gbe running PFSense, Zyxel XGS1250-12 switch, that has 3x RJ45 10Gbe multi speed, 1 SFP+ 10Gbe and 8x 1Gbe, mainly bought it so I will have a 10Gbe connection to my NAS for video editing, plus thinking a little future proofing with 2 extra available 10Gbe once I'm 10G on the NAS and PC, was a good deal at $190, open box never been used on ebay. I want to get a POE+ switch for IP cameras and an AP, possibly a Netgear GS108LP/PP or TP-Link TL-SG108PE, just trying to find a bargain on ebay really so flexible on what POE switch I'll go for, and looking for an AC Unify or Omada AP. I do like what TP-Link are doing generally though of late. Love your content too, proper average man perspective, "Do I need it? Not really. Do I want it? Yes", like most of us home networkers/home labers.
I run the TL-SG3210XHP-M2 (fans are really noisy - I replaced the original fans with 40mm Noctua fans and noise and thermals are both great now) with 2x EAP670. Omada Controller runs on a HP T620+ (Proxmox) and also OPNSense and PiHole. OPNSense is a better firewall and PiHole is a nice convenience function. Great Wi-Fi Speed and 2.5 Gbit backbone and my TrueNAS Scale Server and Workstation are connected via 10Gbit SFP+.
1:30 i kinda got hooked on the idea that you show us the 4 wan setup ;-) (video idea) . Again great video, love the stuff you show us currently on your channel.
Take a look at the Netgear MS510TXUP I did a review of it but don't have any 10 gig AP's to test on it yet but the EnGenius 5GbE AP I hooked up was blazing fast!
I have wanted an inexpensive 2.5 omada sdn switch for a long time. I guess it still hasn't shown up. I just can't consider a switch that costs that much when I got my 28 port poe+ omada switch for under $200. Is it too much to ask for an omada 8 port non-poe 2.5g switch for under $200?
@RaidOwl they have a dumb 2.5g switch that was under $150 I think. I don't think the omada sdn adds that much cost to a switch, maybe it does, but idk.
I had the full Omada setup with the ER605. Er605 is quite unstable and has very limited routing combinations. Not mentioning how it looses features when adopted by the controller. Lame software development from TP-Link. I kept all Omada devices except the ER605, switching it for a OPNSense appliance. Oh boy. Now I can do anything I need!
How do you utilise the 2.5Gb AP? Since the router is only 1Gb? I assume this is only for LAN devices to network over the 2.5Gb switch, but not switched at the router
Why not using a 10GbE router? I guess that with that setup you can't make use of an ISP 10Gb internet connection, right? And why not connecting the router and the switch with SFP and a DAC cable? Thanks!
The only issue I have found is that when trying to use PPSK to limit the amount of SSID broadcasts to a larger amount of "networks", is that WiFi 6 it seems doesn't support PPSK? Or at least the option goes away if you toggle on 6.0Ghz when setting up a wireless network. I have 5 networks and I do not want all of that SSID interference so I utilize PPSK, but I have to dumb down my WiFi to 2.4 and 5.0 only in order to use that feature. Not a huge deal, just an observation. Wonder why 6.0Ghz doesn't support PPSK on the Omada line?
Interesting product line and great video as always. **** Also not sure what happen but there seemed to be some glitches in the video render output. 4:51 , 5:07
The only PoE devices which could make any use of 2.5Gb are access points that have 2.5Gb ports, no other PoE device I can think of runs 2.5Gb. Wifi 6E is a bit pointless right now due to lack of clients.
POE - Remember original design intent of wired LAN was conceived to deliver a massive 10 GB/s over balanced line twisted pair wiring that was just a bit above POTS (plain old telephone) systems. The innovation in cheap integrated circuit operational amplifiers enabled the core tech to push the foundation of today’s LAN out to market. This core technology made it possible to deploy hard wired LAN circuits over hundreds if not thousands of feet based on an inherent noise immune twisted pair terminated with tristate differential amplifiers. Signal current was in the microamps therefore wire size (and terminating connectors) were made as small as possible to reduce cost. Fast forward to the last decade plus and with the hassle of running AC power to the far corners that LAN devices were popping up in (no longer equipment rooms with gobs of power on hand) and progress was quickly being held back because of the cost of running power circuits (multiples of the cost for the LAN wiring). The urge to inject DC power (signal is not DC so the two are easily separated) for the far end LAN connect device became to great and almost overnight LAN circuits were hijacked for something they were never conceived of doing - become power circuits. This originally flew under the RADAR of the laws of electrical power safety because the voltages involved did not trigger electrical safety codes. A few years forward and the very low power LAN devices have matured into power demanding super users. So here we are, serious power consuming LAN connected devices with consumers demanding POE with no understanding of the implications of ohm’s law (heating effect on a wire carrying electrical current is determined by the current squared multiplied by the wire resistance). We are now back into the domain of electrical safety codes that are constructed to prevent wires from overheating and starting fires - it is physics, not ignorant codes) now taking prime design criteria, not signal quality. New ball game. Think exploding batteries in consumer devices on airlines over the ocean, e-bikes starting fires and burning down multistory buildings, $100K+ EV’s turning into fireballs - now consumers are demanding that this costly tech be made safe.
I tried Omada when it appeared to be a alternate to unifi. It’s not. At least not yet. I it was totally unstable. Access points would disappear, performance was crap, everything just was a pain. The hardware specs are nice but software wise they have a ways to go before they get to unifi level. I switched to unifi and haven’t looked back. It’s been rock solid. Zero downtime.
You probably misconfigured something. I’ve setup Omada environment with OC200 controller and 3 1Gbe APs on a customer that works 100% on the cloud and all the machines uses Wi-Fi and it works as a charm. I’m not even a fan boy of TP Link nor Unifi. I am totally a MikroTik guy.
Thanks again, super helpful. So it seems like with my 14 in Macbook Pro M1 Max I only have 6 2x2? And couldnt even really take advantage of a 2.4gb wifi speed? So at best I would see a small increase when accessing video files on my LAN via wifi... but would need a faster wifi client to get much higher speeds?
you need the ER707-m2 (2.5Gb Multi WAN router) or ER8411 (10Gbe router) to maximize ISP throughput, The 7212 is only 1Gbe. The only difference to the 605 is integrated omada SDN & POe+ on the 7212 but it has slower throughput
@@andy-v Hi, nothing spectacular. I live in the U.K. Recently installed 1G fiber (930-Mbps up/930Mbps-down on vodafone) and (1.4Gb-down & 100Mp-up Virgin Media, VOLT package). Utilising the 605 at the moment with 4 Netgear WAX630's that have a 2.5Gbe uplink in MESH. The system maxes out at 915Mbps up and down in LOADBALANCING mode which was obviously bottlenecked. Two days ago I purchased the ER8411 (2.2Ghz quad core CPU/4GB RAM, 10Gbe/1Gbe WAN/LAN VPN router). Yet to connect this but saw this on SPX Labs and told myself that is what I need. I need to buy a switch to go with it but I am stuck between chhosing T1700X-16TS Passive or SX3206 Poe++. I will then set up my first rackmount system.
I was wondering if you would check this out ... Hasivo All 10 Gigabit PoE or Without PoE Ethernet Switch 8*10gbps RJ45 Port Network Plug and Play 10gbe 10gb 10000mbps
Forgive me as I don't watch all of your content, but don't you think the Omada routers are a bit limited compared to OpenWrt, OPNsense, etc? The Omada APs are fire but everything else they offer just doesn't make sense for a homelab IMO.
Sure, but it just depends on your needs. The Omada routers are pretty cheap comparatively, and should be sufficient for a lot of people. If you have more complex needs you’d probably want to jump up to something with more horsepower.
Electric Bills are gonna kill you. Nice devices, BUT they are powered ON 24/7/365 usually - and though using less when idle - draw a lot of power. Besides, many Laptops & Handhelds (Phones, Tablets) have only 1 or 2 Antennae builtin (due to space & power delivery) so you will not see those top-speeds anyways
@RaidOwl what if i told you that most people have old computers around or can buy a cheap one for the fraction of the price of a dedicated controller and can buy a nice 2 port 10gbe pcie card(or even cheaper a 2.5gbps card) and be happy that they did? nowadays 2+gbps internet speeds aren't uncommon. it's all fine and dandy to iperf locally, but internet would be locked to 1gbps with that controller... think about it..not to mentions weak firewall/routing/vpn capabilities. there is no way you can stand by that abysmal product at that price...unless tp link has their hands in your pocket....... .......... ...... ... .. . like an high end consumer wifi asus router has more value than that piece of junk
My 24pt 1G TPLink Omada switch had some nasty loud fans so i switched them out for Noctua fans that are much quieter. I run Omada gear at home because i find it so much more reliable than generic consumer grade equipment.
Great to see you've got the 3 in 1 router/controller. I'm thinking about picking it up as my first step into the Omada network. I've seen reviews about it that say it lacks dedicated switch functionalities (setting up a port to use a specific VLAN for example), though.. I'm interested to see your observations.
Edit: I choose the er707-m2 with the sg2210p
I've been eying that switch as of late to upgrade my existing TP-Link switch. I do agree it's a little steep, and should be in that $350-$380 range. Which would make it $100/+ less than the Ubiquiti equivalent. I will be keeping my EAP653, no need to upgrade that as it fits my needs perfectly. Now if that ER7212PC had 2.5gb and POE++ at the $400 price point, take my money!
What range do you get out of the EAP653? I'm looking to buy one, but I'm not sure it'll cover both levels of my small house (concrete floors).
Nice! I run the OC200 + ER605 + TL-SG2218 +SG2008S+ 3X AX1800 WAPs. Good setup, but I like the combining of the SDN/Router and you are right...Not a fan of just 1Gb LAN. So yeah, good stuff! Nice review man. I'll keep this stack in mind. Might have to convince my wife we need it.... :)
Real shame the 3 in 1 thingy doesn't have 2.5Gbe, that I could really see it as a long term investment, given how many devices are getting 2.5Gbe, potential but fell short! And I too would probably have concerns about the CPU.
Think I'll stick with my new Aliexpress Intel N100 device that has 2.5Gbe running PFSense, Zyxel XGS1250-12 switch, that has 3x RJ45 10Gbe multi speed, 1 SFP+ 10Gbe and 8x 1Gbe, mainly bought it so I will have a 10Gbe connection to my NAS for video editing, plus thinking a little future proofing with 2 extra available 10Gbe once I'm 10G on the NAS and PC, was a good deal at $190, open box never been used on ebay. I want to get a POE+ switch for IP cameras and an AP, possibly a Netgear GS108LP/PP or TP-Link TL-SG108PE, just trying to find a bargain on ebay really so flexible on what POE switch I'll go for, and looking for an AC Unify or Omada AP.
I do like what TP-Link are doing generally though of late. Love your content too, proper average man perspective, "Do I need it? Not really. Do I want it? Yes", like most of us home networkers/home labers.
I run the TL-SG3210XHP-M2 (fans are really noisy - I replaced the original fans with 40mm Noctua fans and noise and thermals are both great now) with 2x EAP670. Omada Controller runs on a HP T620+ (Proxmox) and also OPNSense and PiHole. OPNSense is a better firewall and PiHole is a nice convenience function.
Great Wi-Fi Speed and 2.5 Gbit backbone and my TrueNAS Scale Server and Workstation are connected via 10Gbit SFP+.
1:30 i kinda got hooked on the idea that you show us the 4 wan setup ;-) (video idea) . Again great video, love the stuff you show us currently on your channel.
Take a look at the Netgear MS510TXUP I did a review of it but don't have any 10 gig AP's to test on it yet but the EnGenius 5GbE AP I hooked up was blazing fast!
I have wanted an inexpensive 2.5 omada sdn switch for a long time. I guess it still hasn't shown up. I just can't consider a switch that costs that much when I got my 28 port poe+ omada switch for under $200. Is it too much to ask for an omada 8 port non-poe 2.5g switch for under $200?
Yeah they def have some holes in their lineup
@RaidOwl they have a dumb 2.5g switch that was under $150 I think. I don't think the omada sdn adds that much cost to a switch, maybe it does, but idk.
I had the full Omada setup with the ER605. Er605 is quite unstable and has very limited routing combinations. Not mentioning how it looses features when adopted by the controller. Lame software development from TP-Link. I kept all Omada devices except the ER605, switching it for a OPNSense appliance. Oh boy. Now I can do anything I need!
Hello what version the V1 or V2 for the ER605 ?
And what appliance do you use for OpenSense ?
How do you utilise the 2.5Gb AP? Since the router is only 1Gb?
I assume this is only for LAN devices to network over the 2.5Gb switch, but not switched at the router
Why not using a 10GbE router? I guess that with that setup you can't make use of an ISP 10Gb internet connection, right? And why not connecting the router and the switch with SFP and a DAC cable? Thanks!
The poe switch should have 1 or 2 poe++ ports. That's a miss :(
And everything is so expensive now :(
Yeah 2 PoE++ would be useful
The only issue I have found is that when trying to use PPSK to limit the amount of SSID broadcasts to a larger amount of "networks", is that WiFi 6 it seems doesn't support PPSK? Or at least the option goes away if you toggle on 6.0Ghz when setting up a wireless network. I have 5 networks and I do not want all of that SSID interference so I utilize PPSK, but I have to dumb down my WiFi to 2.4 and 5.0 only in order to use that feature. Not a huge deal, just an observation. Wonder why 6.0Ghz doesn't support PPSK on the Omada line?
Interesting product line and great video as always.
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Also not sure what happen but there seemed to be some glitches in the video render output. 4:51 , 5:07
The only PoE devices which could make any use of 2.5Gb are access points that have 2.5Gb ports, no other PoE device I can think of runs 2.5Gb. Wifi 6E is a bit pointless right now due to lack of clients.
My notebooks and phones all support 6e so that depends on how fresh your stuff is.
The fan kills it for me. My network closet is in my office. The 2.510g will have to wait for me
POE - Remember original design intent of wired LAN was conceived to deliver a massive 10 GB/s over balanced line twisted pair wiring that was just a bit above POTS (plain old telephone) systems. The innovation in cheap integrated circuit operational amplifiers enabled the core tech to push the foundation of today’s LAN out to market. This core technology made it possible to deploy hard wired LAN circuits over hundreds if not thousands of feet based on an inherent noise immune twisted pair terminated with tristate differential amplifiers. Signal current was in the microamps therefore wire size (and terminating connectors) were made as small as possible to reduce cost. Fast forward to the last decade plus and with the hassle of running AC power to the far corners that LAN devices were popping up in (no longer equipment rooms with gobs of power on hand) and progress was quickly being held back because of the cost of running power circuits (multiples of the cost for the LAN wiring). The urge to inject DC power (signal is not DC so the two are easily separated) for the far end LAN connect device became to great and almost overnight LAN circuits were hijacked for something they were never conceived of doing - become power circuits. This originally flew under the RADAR of the laws of electrical power safety because the voltages involved did not trigger electrical safety codes. A few years forward and the very low power LAN devices have matured into power demanding super users. So here we are, serious power consuming LAN connected devices with consumers demanding POE with no understanding of the implications of ohm’s law (heating effect on a wire carrying electrical current is determined by the current squared multiplied by the wire resistance). We are now back into the domain of electrical safety codes that are constructed to prevent wires from overheating and starting fires - it is physics, not ignorant codes) now taking prime design criteria, not signal quality. New ball game. Think exploding batteries in consumer devices on airlines over the ocean, e-bikes starting fires and burning down multistory buildings, $100K+ EV’s turning into fireballs - now consumers are demanding that this costly tech be made safe.
Makes getting files off the nice cube and flat flash faster :P
Are you going to make a video about the TP-Link ER8411 I’m thinking about getting it for my small business and video about PFsense vs omada
Show you the Unifi enterprice wifi 6e system as we both flex our wifi 6 enterpice muscles.
I tried Omada when it appeared to be a alternate to unifi. It’s not. At least not yet. I it was totally unstable. Access points would disappear, performance was crap, everything just was a pain. The hardware specs are nice but software wise they have a ways to go before they get to unifi level. I switched to unifi and haven’t looked back. It’s been rock solid. Zero downtime.
You probably misconfigured something. I’ve setup Omada environment with OC200 controller and 3 1Gbe APs on a customer that works 100% on the cloud and all the machines uses Wi-Fi and it works as a charm. I’m not even a fan boy of TP Link nor Unifi. I am totally a MikroTik guy.
@@gabrielporto.mikrotik I didn’t. I standby my comments.
Holy chungus. Can you even mount that AP on drop ceiling tiles? I feel like they'd collapse under the weight.
Only one way to find out…
Nice, but what is the power consumption? Probably much much more?
Thanks again, super helpful. So it seems like with my 14 in Macbook Pro M1 Max I only have 6 2x2? And couldnt even really take advantage of a 2.4gb wifi speed? So at best I would see a small increase when accessing video files on my LAN via wifi... but would need a faster wifi client to get much higher speeds?
Correct
Heyy!! Great videos!!
I am not sure how to reach you, but I have a question, can you tell me whats the difference b/w proxmox and OpenStack?
you need the ER707-m2 (2.5Gb Multi WAN router) or ER8411 (10Gbe router) to maximize ISP throughput, The 7212 is only 1Gbe. The only difference to the 605 is integrated omada SDN & POe+ on the 7212 but it has slower throughput
Wow, what bandwidth does your IPS deliver? My ISP maxes out at 1Gbs fiber.
@@andy-v Hi, nothing spectacular. I live in the U.K. Recently installed 1G fiber (930-Mbps up/930Mbps-down on vodafone) and (1.4Gb-down & 100Mp-up Virgin Media, VOLT package). Utilising the 605 at the moment with 4 Netgear WAX630's that have a 2.5Gbe uplink in MESH. The system maxes out at 915Mbps up and down in LOADBALANCING mode which was obviously bottlenecked. Two days ago I purchased the ER8411 (2.2Ghz quad core CPU/4GB RAM, 10Gbe/1Gbe WAN/LAN VPN router). Yet to connect this but saw this on SPX Labs and told myself that is what I need. I need to buy a switch to go with it but I am stuck between chhosing T1700X-16TS Passive or SX3206 Poe++. I will then set up my first rackmount system.
How about blocking rogue dhcp in omada?
I was wondering if you would check this out ... Hasivo All 10 Gigabit PoE or Without PoE Ethernet Switch 8*10gbps RJ45 Port Network Plug and Play 10gbe 10gb 10000mbps
Is it possible to set up multiple access point so as to make linking any where
Yes the APs will mesh and your device will automatically pick the best AP depending on where you are.
Being TP7212 doesn't have a DNS server, what would you use? pfSense is cheaper?
Pihole
ruijie can give u more performance with lower price. plus a free cloud control
How long is the power cable to the AP?
Sigh when am I going to meet the tp link van, I’ll run into it before they even open the door
How can we settle for 1g these days?
Do you really have the AP upside down with two metal devices stacked on top of it?
No
Nice update- $500 for an access point seems quite pricey imo
Yeah premium APs are $$$
Thoughts on the ALTA Labs AP6-PRO WIFi 6?
Never seen it
How long does it take you to come up with the “You’re my such and such” at the end of each video? You just use ChatGPT don’t you?
I usually wing it lol
Forgive me as I don't watch all of your content, but don't you think the Omada routers are a bit limited compared to OpenWrt, OPNsense, etc? The Omada APs are fire but everything else they offer just doesn't make sense for a homelab IMO.
Sure, but it just depends on your needs. The Omada routers are pretty cheap comparatively, and should be sufficient for a lot of people. If you have more complex needs you’d probably want to jump up to something with more horsepower.
Electric Bills are gonna kill you. Nice devices, BUT they are powered ON 24/7/365 usually - and though using less when idle - draw a lot of power. Besides, many Laptops & Handhelds (Phones, Tablets) have only 1 or 2 Antennae builtin (due to space & power delivery) so you will not see those top-speeds anyways
its not even that cheaper then unifi, sometimes costs more.
the 3in 1 controller is completely useless..gbe ports...lol. just virtualise and save cash and get way more performance: omada sdn
What if I told you that a lot of people don't want to virtualize their controller?
@RaidOwl what if i told you that most people have old computers around or can buy a cheap one for the fraction of the price of a dedicated controller and can buy a nice 2 port 10gbe pcie card(or even cheaper a 2.5gbps card) and be happy that they did? nowadays 2+gbps internet speeds aren't uncommon. it's all fine and dandy to iperf locally, but internet would be locked to 1gbps with that controller... think about it..not to mentions weak firewall/routing/vpn capabilities. there is no way you can stand by that abysmal product at that price...unless tp link has their hands in your pocket.......
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like an high end consumer wifi asus router has more value than that piece of junk
good video, but terrible overpriced products. Tplink had it's glory for value, not for inflated prices. Sad.
uhh you like didnt upgrade anything.. uh huhu h yeah .. uhh uh huh you lied and stuff.. ya ya .. uhhhh no
What?