Zain's truly brought the meta to the next level. Mang0 didn't play great, but he didn't do terribly. Zain is improving faster than mang0, so sadly I believe it's only a matter of time before he retires.
@@DrunkenHoteiwell, everything is finite, but he has said recently he plans to play a lot longer than he had always said there will always be days where he plays goated and win but i would definitely be surprised if he got #1 player again
imo the highest level of melee is when players push each other to their limits. Zain made quite a few mistakes and still 10-0ed, I wouldn't consider that his highest level personally
@@VioletJewel1729no its because Mango got made into mincemeat and Zain performed at his standard level that everyone expects him to, there's not much to talk about there
Game 1: Mango lost Game 2: Mango lost Game 3:Mango lost Game 4: Mango lost Game 5: Mango gives up Game 6: Just wants it to be over Game 7: No will to live left Game 8: Shadows close in Game 9: Pits of hell open up Game 10: Mango has a new daddy
I appreciate that this wasn't a mang0 losing set where the commentary isn't entirely about how mang0 normally wins these but (john john john). He's still top 5 for sure maybe higher but obviously he just can't hang with Zain right now, and it's ok to acknowledge that.
@@danielsmith5032then got btfo'd at tipped off with some of the worst Zain i've ever seen. i don't think he has said it himself but I would REALLY struggle to believe that ult didnt fuck him over, and he wasnt as prepared to play two sword fighters in two smash games as months. Totally cost him there. Glad he stopped lol
Im not a huge Mang0 fan and I agree. This is embarrassing and hard to watch lol. Like damn dude I legit felt BAD watching this. Where's Brandon when you need him, "Fight back!"
There is a such a big difference however. - Ken pretty much quit since 2007 and have not played Melee competitively for 5 years and Ken cameback from retirement because of "people´s champ" and Scar beating Ken so he attends EVO 2013 cuz he was the 2007 EVO champion holder. So by obvious reasons a M2K who was part of the 5 Gods and at that moment he was just behind Armada and Mang0 , would washed Ken 100% - Mang0 vs Zain is a rivalry and that both of them were active players and both of them constantly grind with each other. Difference is that people expected a 10-3 or at the very least a 10-2 , not a totally washed 10-0 LOL
@@teraflying I legit said 10-7 in chat, honestly idk why I thought it would be competitive as I was pretty confident Zain would win anyways but ig I just thought even clear favorites can have sets that look close. just look at how many times M2K took Armada to game 4 or 5 for example. ig I thought it would be like that.
“My goat! That’s my mangoat!” - mango fan who can’t let mango go and calls him the goat when he went on a 2 year or longer win hiatus but wins 1 tourney and all the sudden he’s back to being the goat lol
y’all are working with like decade old info from mango ten years ago. he usually says i sucked or just got beat but will ask why and look to improve. it’s not john city
This is a coin flip with mango either this makes him work even harder or we see the classic cycle from mango where he goes on a 12-18 month idgaf about melee vibe filled with depression. Im tired of the cycle I want mango to get strong again.
I sure fucking hope not, his winning cycle would've only been 2 months He didn't really take this seriously at all, so I dont think it should effect much
I don’t watch that much melee but I’ve never seen anyone play like that. I legitimately think zain might elevate this game to a new level while being the only one playing at that.
12:20 never in my life have I seen someone do that down air there. It's always the double back air. He's so creative it's crazy. He could have up b'd sooner
Having losses like this is never “good”. Being this wildly inconsistent is why ppl have someone like Brady over Rodgers as the goat. Mango is just a buster.
Armada: Gets like 1st place 40x in a year while living across the ocean from all supermajors and having to train with AI bots. Mango: Lives in the heart of SoCal, practices against Marth constantly, gets 10-0d by a doc kid, claims to be the "goat"
@@WhereLol-qw1tgsee, mango has beat all of history's number 1's and still does it often more than 20 years in. Where is Armada? Keep your goat in your backyard.
I think if Mang0 wouldn't have missed that ledge-dash in game 2 last stock it would have been a whole different set. My GOAT was just starting to build momentum and that was a really unfortunate flub
I'd say you'd take less stocks but Mang0 played so trash, and still did as well as he did that I'm not even sure if that's true. like some random platnium slippi kid could probably do as well.
@@Jokeynno the ft10 with Zain had $1000 for the winner, and I think this wasn't provided by the TOs but was a bet between Zain and Mang0. So $1000 to Zain.
I mean aMSa won 2 games but he also really tried and couldn't really get through Plup at all. Think the first to 25 was more soul crushing to me because this far more convinced me that aMSa will likely never beat Plup even tho he had Jmook's number at the time while i've seen mang0 never do well at any showmatch ever yet is still capeable of beating Zain in bracket.
@@bipen1176 I am happy for zain, People still call mango the goat (like you) but zain will shut down that idea quickly with time. 10-0 is no goat 1.Armada 2.zain But zain i believe will pass armada if he keeps this dominance up
Alright hear me out. As happy as I am to see Zain win 10-0; he's my favorite player, I just KNOW Mang0's going to come back in a super major and beat Zain whether it's in grands or not. Mark my words.
Nobody was happy to see Mang0 half-assedly prepare (tweeted he was doing one days prep cause that's all he felt like doing) and deliver a match with no excitement. As a neutral, it was just bad to watch.
Goat status revoked, the throne is empty and zain is walking towards it. He has to get better at the dino MU and win most things for a couple years and it's his
Cody may have lost the last set with Zain but he won the prior 3, remains to be seen but I’d guess while Amsa is the main block Cody is still a big thorn in his side.
@@TheBeggies95 My comment wasn't with regards to who is #1, I was just saying that besides Amsa, Cody can also give Zain trouble (even if he hasn't been able to their last 3 sets).
@narhwallord6985 The GOAT comes down to a balancing of Longevity, consistency, and Peaks. In the GOAT arms race there's a balance between Armada, Hbox, and Mango. Hbox stats lean heavily on consistency & longevity, Mango leans heavily on Peaks & longevity, and Armada leans heavily on Consistency & Peaks. Mango has shored up his problem stats enough to have a definitive case over Armada. Mango isn't consistently winning tournaments so the longevity stat can't sway the debate too much
@@moses1837 Mango has a longevity of losing. Reminder that he hasn't been ranked #1 in over 10 years. Ever since Armada retired, Mang0 couldn't get that ranked #1 to make him an argument for GOAT. In fact, if anything Mang0 trying for 6 years ever since Armada retired and not once being the best in any period since just makes his case worse. Longevity my ass.
Haven't watched this yet but I'm excited to see my GOAT Mang0 put up a strong performance.
💀💀💀
DOES HE KNOW?
Yeah man, your goat Zain played amazing.
...............................
This aged like milk
I just fell to my knees at the Costco food court
😂😂😂
double chunk chocolate cookie
this comment wins the comment section
@@vanbr0 I see. And what did you order?
Don’t forget the baby oil
listening to toph go through the five stages of grief was the best part of this video
"SUMMIT 11 MANGO, SUMMIT 11" is an all time great commentary moment.
26 minutes of glazing while they get demolished, unreal
@@traycarrot This quote reminded me of HugS yelling "Are you going to let him be the King of Cali?" to Mango during his KoC set vs. PP.
damn these comments are full of cope
As soon as I saw this was only a 35 min Video, I knew in my heart Mang0 got cooked
Life is this crazy mystical thing, and sometimes you go out like a buster...
underrated
Somebody call garp we need a buster call
"Sir, a second my b has hit the towers"
But also, :(
Underrated comment lmfao
@@Lukadoesthings building 7
it's crazy to think me and mango would've won the same amount of games
Hahahhahahaha
The 0 in Mang0 was foreshadowing for this set.
they tossed my goat in the washing machine and set it to max💔
my mom asked me if I did the dishes and I yelled "mang0!" she smiled. she knew they were washed
@@foihvfpiNOT AGAIN.
Wow Ai is getting scary, looks so realistic I almost actually thought mang0 got 10-0'd
man u just spoiled it deadass
i will never check comments again, thank you sir my b
@@eppad dw this is a lesson that will never be learned, yt commenters stay reading
@eppad look at the video length vinegar
@@eppad honestly I would rather it be spoiled than do what I did, watch it live 💀
As a Zain fan this was absolute peak. As a melee fan this hurt my soul
Zain's truly brought the meta to the next level. Mang0 didn't play great, but he didn't do terribly. Zain is improving faster than mang0, so sadly I believe it's only a matter of time before he retires.
@@DrunkenHoteiwell, everything is finite, but he has said recently he plans to play a lot longer than he had always said
there will always be days where he plays goated and win but i would definitely be surprised if he got #1 player again
@@DrunkenHoteinoooo😢
@@DrunkenHotei how could you say that when he got fucking 128th at genesis and bounced back? what makes this any different?
@@shady8045 Because he didn't feel like he was trying there, but here it did. I could be wrong, but that's how it felt.
Put Zain on the global ban list this was straight up murder
Somewhere Chillin is smiling
Everyone talking about Mang0, but nobody talking about how Zain literally playing the highest level melee of all time.
imo the highest level of melee is when players push each other to their limits. Zain made quite a few mistakes and still 10-0ed, I wouldn't consider that his highest level personally
because zain is so boring
@@VioletJewel1729no its because Mango got made into mincemeat and Zain performed at his standard level that everyone expects him to, there's not much to talk about there
@@teraflying zain plays like a robot. no human side. boring to me.
@@VioletJewel1729 i don't get it, is him going batshit crazy with his ledge cancels and crazy finishers ala riptide not enough
10-0 is crazy LOL
Moky vs Joey Donuts should've been the show match tbh
honestly though no jokes would have been so hype but moky probably smokes him offline
Is Joey supposed to be good or something? Lol
@@Shamunt He's been ending Moky's 100 winstreak challenges pretty frequently
@@simanolastname2399 crazy, I clear him both off and online.
@@simanolastname2399 true but joeydonuts only needs to win one, moky needs to win all of them
Oh, that's gore. That's gore of my comfort character.
You stole that comment from twitter
Lame boy come up with your own jokes
LOL good reference
Game 1: Mango lost
Game 2: Mango lost
Game 3:Mango lost
Game 4: Mango lost
Game 5: Mango gives up
Game 6: Just wants it to be over
Game 7: No will to live left
Game 8: Shadows close in
Game 9: Pits of hell open up
Game 10: Mango has a new daddy
this is like watching lebron getting dunked on in the Olympics
Yeah, if he got dunked on ten times and didn't get a gold medal then yeah, exactly like that.
16:30 "SUMMIT 11, MANGO! SUMMIT 11!" *mang0 immediately dies*
I appreciate that this wasn't a mang0 losing set where the commentary isn't entirely about how mang0 normally wins these but (john john john). He's still top 5 for sure maybe higher but obviously he just can't hang with Zain right now, and it's ok to acknowledge that.
I appreciate this realistic and fair comment
Broo he literally 3-0ed zain at tipped off hahaha
@@bilalusang362 your goat just got 10-0ed
@@irenareena tru ngl lol
my b
our b
i'm not lawful, make this pussy stop talking
I'm not lawful, make this p*ssy stop talking
Them b
@@N_Nishi arbys
Nice combo video!
It’s time for Mang0 to pick up a secondary Yoshi. 2025 will be the year of Egg0
Armada stocks higher than S2J rn
Zain has been on a rampage recently. This is the best he's ever played and that's really saying something.
which is insane because he poisoned his play with Ultimate for a little bit of time
@@danielsmith5032then got btfo'd at tipped off with some of the worst Zain i've ever seen. i don't think he has said it himself but I would REALLY struggle to believe that ult didnt fuck him over, and he wasnt as prepared to play two sword fighters in two smash games as months. Totally cost him there. Glad he stopped lol
my b²
dam maybe even cubed 😭
delete this
Nah
Why?
rewrite the narrative 😂😂
Im not a huge Mang0 fan and I agree. This is embarrassing and hard to watch lol. Like damn dude I legit felt BAD watching this. Where's Brandon when you need him, "Fight back!"
@@marquistf1996You don’t delete something cause it’s embarrassing for a competitor LMAO what
12:52 this dash attack and up smash exploration era of Zain is juicy
Mew2king vs Ken, 2013
Such a underrated comment
There is a such a big difference however.
- Ken pretty much quit since 2007 and have not played Melee competitively for 5 years and Ken cameback from retirement because of "people´s champ" and Scar beating Ken so he attends EVO 2013 cuz he was the 2007 EVO champion holder. So by obvious reasons a M2K who was part of the 5 Gods and at that moment he was just behind Armada and Mang0 , would washed Ken 100%
- Mang0 vs Zain is a rivalry and that both of them were active players and both of them constantly grind with each other. Difference is that people expected a 10-3 or at the very least a 10-2 , not a totally washed 10-0 LOL
@henryreturns1397 mango has won 2 majors this year lol he isn't washed
Everyone has bad days
@@henryreturns1397i was a 10-5 believer
@@teraflying I legit said 10-7 in chat, honestly idk why I thought it would be competitive as I was pretty confident Zain would win anyways but ig I just thought even clear favorites can have sets that look close. just look at how many times M2K took Armada to game 4 or 5 for example. ig I thought it would be like that.
Hey, at least mang0 didn’t drop a diss track
@@FirstLastname604 The night is still young
@@FirstLastname604 i’m not lawful
That was one of the most gross moments in fgc history. Imagine going 0-13 in a first to 10
Both players last stock.
BLUR: THIS STOCK IS SO IMPORTANT. LMAO
Basically just a zain combo video.
Good on Zain man he looks so incredibly hard to play against tho
“My goat! That’s my mangoat!” - mango fan who can’t let mango go and calls him the goat when he went on a 2 year or longer win hiatus but wins 1 tourney and all the sudden he’s back to being the goat lol
@@Shamunt me
zain is so polite and nice about it
No words. Just some quiet sips between each game. We're 26 minutes and 10 games in.
Hell yeah, some peak marth gameplay to study ooooo
mango cope video incoming
Incoming mango saying “I got food poisoning” for the 42nd time
"he wasnt trying"
"he was drunk"
"he was tired from swimming"
"he was playing mario kart"
y’all are working with like decade old info from mango ten years ago. he usually says i sucked or just got beat but will ask why and look to improve. it’s not john city
@@GayTier1Operator he has johned every single recent tournament he lost. He’s still the same mango, just one who rides bikes in the morning now
”I forgot I'm not supposed to nearly die from alcohol poisoning before every tournament"
That literally hurt. Just kept thinking "fight back mango!" But the poor guy didn't have anything left to give
This is a coin flip with mango either this makes him work even harder or we see the classic cycle from mango where he goes on a 12-18 month idgaf about melee vibe filled with depression. Im tired of the cycle I want mango to get strong again.
That’s why mango is not and never will be the GOAT. Far too inconsistent.
@@hitthurdeaux Nah mango's the goat. Sadly followed by hbox and then armada now. Hell zain is starting to become in the running for goathood.
@@x9x9x9x9x9 cope harder
@@x9x9x9x9x9 Wrong. Armada is the GOAT. Mango doesn’t get the title just because of superior longevity.
I sure fucking hope not, his winning cycle would've only been 2 months
He didn't really take this seriously at all, so I dont think it should effect much
So this is "The Mango"
21:05 what a combo
Never seen a pivot shield drop fair that fast
I haven't felt this bad since Plup destroyed aMSa.
jesus what a massacre
Repent to God
@@olliebagleygod is dead and zain killed him
I don’t watch that much melee but I’ve never seen anyone play like that. I legitimately think zain might elevate this game to a new level while being the only one playing at that.
bobby going to break everything in his room watching this
I hereby dub getting 10-0'd, "the 2B".
Alternatively, we can just call it "the Mango", but I thought that was less interesting.
Call 10-0ing someone "The Zain"
@@BlueGrovyle theres a 0 in mang0 for a reason
12:20 never in my life have I seen someone do that down air there. It's always the double back air. He's so creative it's crazy. He could have up b'd sooner
Melee’s goat? Yup that’s inevitably going to be Zain!
better him than armada.
For reference, the Cody Vs Zain for the #1 Ranked in the World First to Ten in 2023 was 1:09:00. Woof.
Zain looking totally unstoppable here
this might be good for mang, he always says he needs to be provoked... but damn.... craziest marth i've ever seen
Having losses like this is never “good”. Being this wildly inconsistent is why ppl have someone like Brady over Rodgers as the goat. Mango is just a buster.
I love how Zain snuck up on them lmfao.
Armada be like: “That’s the GOAT?”
Armada: Gets like 1st place 40x in a year while living across the ocean from all supermajors and having to train with AI bots.
Mango: Lives in the heart of SoCal, practices against Marth constantly, gets 10-0d by a doc kid, claims to be the "goat"
@@WhereLol-qw1tgsee, mango has beat all of history's number 1's and still does it often more than 20 years in. Where is Armada? Keep your goat in your backyard.
Mango was awake until 7am that previous morning getting his League ELO back up
Bro no way
@@happymonkeyfish Toph's advice never fails bro
johns
You see that weaving? Zain is the alien commentators warned us about 👽
13:44
The fact that Mango got 5-0'd in less than 14mins is mind blowing
I think if Mang0 wouldn't have missed that ledge-dash in game 2 last stock it would have been a whole different set. My GOAT was just starting to build momentum and that was a really unfortunate flub
This was hand-warmers, right?
Ouch... I knew Mang0 would not win, but damn...
I saw the lenght of the video, but 10-0 ?!
I could do as well in a first to 10 against Zain as Mango.
I'd say you'd take less stocks but Mang0 played so trash, and still did as well as he did that I'm not even sure if that's true. like some random platnium slippi kid could probably do as well.
every time toph yells at someone playing melee it goes wrong for him
Zain said, "I eat mangos 🥭 for breakfast before I head to work".
Me before starting the video: "first to 10 only 35 minutes? Must've been a wash"
Me five minutes in, a mango fan: 🙁😶🌫💢
mang was just running in n zain had that locked down
man that was rough
25:31 classic Mango glug glug from commentators
At 3:38 its already over. Mango is usually able to do a quick turnaround wavedash ledgegrab but has mad lazy timing.
Reminds me of Cars 3
"ENJOY YOUR RETIREMENT"
MANGO IS FADING! MANGO IS FADING! FADING FAST!!!
some of the best marth play I've ever seen in my life
It's always a good day to be a mang0 fan
Biggest buster of all time...
This is twice as worse as the set that got mang0 to make the quote about going out like a buster. And he still lost $1000. That's the Mang0
$1000 to Leffen?
@@Jokeynno the ft10 with Zain had $1000 for the winner, and I think this wasn't provided by the TOs but was a bet between Zain and Mang0. So $1000 to Zain.
@@jeeves-2he got 5k CAD which is about 3.6k
Let Zain do a first to ten vs Amsa. That one would actually be interesting, because Zain would get better and adapt over time
This is cap right
I dint know marth could shoot lasers its insane new move for the character
What's worse Zain 10-0'ing Mang0 or Plup 25-2'ing Amsa?
amsa won game 8 so this is worse
Plup won 7, then lost one, then won 9, then lost one, then won the next 9 lol still didn't get 10 in a row on amsa
I mean aMSa won 2 games but he also really tried and couldn't really get through Plup at all.
Think the first to 25 was more soul crushing to me because this far more convinced me that aMSa will likely never beat Plup even tho he had Jmook's number at the time while i've seen mang0 never do well at any showmatch ever yet is still capeable of beating Zain in bracket.
So...Mango has a Zain shaped weakness...
15:12 you know it's looking bad when they get THIS hype over a gimp
zain playing out of his mind
my god. and i thought it was hard to be a mango fan before. i shall press on.
Sorry guys, the goat only comes out for the $45,000 prize. Otherwise, you get the buster.
@@bipen1176 cope
@@bipen1176 money johns?
cope harder
@@604Lance can no one be like happy for zain? is it all just mango washed lmao
@@bipen1176 I am happy for zain,
People still call mango the goat (like you) but zain will shut down that idea quickly with time.
10-0 is no goat
1.Armada
2.zain
But zain i believe will pass armada if he keeps this dominance up
@@604Lanceshut the fuck up dawg 😂
I've been at the same stoplight for 30 min...
W ZAIN , ITS A NEW ERA
Blur acting like ANYONE edgeguards a marth consistently is ridiculous.
Foxes do it consistently but not Falcos
@@TheBeggies95 foxes dont either, maybe cody but i wouldnt call it consistent I would call it better than the others
@@youtubeonly520I mean you could say the same thing with Marths edgeguarding spacies. Consistent does not mean everytime
Damn he got Perfect Legend’ed
Not quite. Perfect legend got 13-0 in a first to 10.
Alright hear me out. As happy as I am to see Zain win 10-0; he's my favorite player, I just KNOW Mang0's going to come back in a super major and beat Zain whether it's in grands or not. Mark my words.
being happy about a 10-0 is crazy
The cope
Mango has lost like 13 of his last 14 sets against Zain. This "rivalry" hasn't been close in 2 years.
Nobody was happy to see Mang0 half-assedly prepare (tweeted he was doing one days prep cause that's all he felt like doing) and deliver a match with no excitement. As a neutral, it was just bad to watch.
@@elemkay5104 c'mon man don't believe the propaganda
i love mango but i still kinda wish zain went roy after game 8 lol
Probably still woulda been 10 - 0
We just got a sneak peak on the zain vs amsa first to 10 run
that was the closest 10-0 i’ve ever seen
As a mango fan, I am not surprised at all by this outcome.
Mango was recently talking about how he was learing he could fight Zain and this happens broooooo c'moooooon
Thaaaaat's the Maaaaaangooooooo....
Don't feel bad Mango, 99.9% of us would get the same result
Except me of course, I would get a cheeky jv6
Goat status revoked, the throne is empty and zain is walking towards it. He has to get better at the dino MU and win most things for a couple years and it's his
Lmao nah
this is cope
Cody may have lost the last set with Zain but he won the prior 3, remains to be seen but I’d guess while Amsa is the main block Cody is still a big thorn in his side.
@@dh3913Zain is 3-1 on Cody for the year and has more tourney wins and no bad losses
@@TheBeggies95 My comment wasn't with regards to who is #1, I was just saying that besides Amsa, Cody can also give Zain trouble (even if he hasn't been able to their last 3 sets).
Fuck if i'm gonna watch this go down twice
Zain the official new goat.
? hes been ranked #1 for awhile lol
armada still has a better argument than Zain tbh, Mango might not be it tho.
@shady8045 Lmao. Probably still goes to Mang0, then Armada = Zain
@narhwallord6985 The GOAT comes down to a balancing of Longevity, consistency, and Peaks. In the GOAT arms race there's a balance between Armada, Hbox, and Mango. Hbox stats lean heavily on consistency & longevity, Mango leans heavily on Peaks & longevity, and Armada leans heavily on Consistency & Peaks. Mango has shored up his problem stats enough to have a definitive case over Armada. Mango isn't consistently winning tournaments so the longevity stat can't sway the debate too much
@@moses1837 Mango has a longevity of losing. Reminder that he hasn't been ranked #1 in over 10 years. Ever since Armada retired, Mang0 couldn't get that ranked #1 to make him an argument for GOAT. In fact, if anything Mang0 trying for 6 years ever since Armada retired and not once being the best in any period since just makes his case worse. Longevity my ass.
From now on let's just stick with Hbox and Zain playing Ness and Roy while getting snockered.
East coast > West coast
Here we go again, back in 2001.
Last time we did this Biggie and Pac died so let's not
@@PreacherJenkinsnah last time we did this azen beat ken and ken went to japan
Brutal to watch
6:29 was the set.