Haha, sounds like the time when St. Catherine of Sweden (daughter of St. Bridget of Sweden) met and befriended St. Catherine of Sienna in Rome. Seems like God likes to see crossovers just as much as we do 😁
A Franciscan and a Dominican sit together for 10 minutes, the Dominican talks the entire time, the Franciscan reveals at the end that he wants to eat pizza. It doesn’t get more Catholic than this!
Please GOD bring my 22 yr old daughter back home now and reconcile us back together. Heal her heart take away her hurts, bitterness ,& unforgiveness. Jeremiah 31:16-17 Amen
@@magnoliam4159 My daughter ,Faith, gave her heart to HIM as a young child....now I think she is going through a Pruning season - but this time seems harder on me!
When explaining hell to my 5th/6th graders I illustrate it that evil people are like cockroaches; what happens when you flip on the light? They scurry away and hide in the dark. When faced with the radiant, peaceful light of Christ at their deaths evil people actually are repulsed. It’s not God’s fault they chose hell. Which leads to a whole series of teachings on how to be God’s child of light, sharing His love, joy and peace with all people we meet, the good, the bad and the ugly. And I pray daily for all my students, past, present and future that they get it. Beautiful presentation, thank you!
@@Roman-Labrador we are given free will to choose to follow the dark side or the light. Satan is a liar and thief and makes stuff that harms us look enticing and fun. We choose not to follow the Truth or are ignorant of it and get sucked in. Free will is a gift that keeps us from being puppets.
You are an instrument of peace dear Barb ❤️. Thank you for building the Kingdom ✝️. You might like Ralph Martin on You Tube: ‘An Appeal to Clergy’ especially if your students are near the age of Confirmation. In my experience, the world and the Catholic Church do not give this opportunity for us to choose Christ.
@@chomperthefirst533 I was just canceled by my pastor for being too judgmental and a fundamentalist because I taught class the values directly found in Sacred Scripture. The parish I transferred to has my Biblical world view. God has a plan, I trust in Him.
The fact that you are preaching eternal torment to 10 year olds proves who the evil one here is. And it isn’t the kid that doesn’t buy into your nonsense
Thanks for providing more humor than worry in a way that seems right to me. It's often hard to feel worthy - like answering an impossible question at a bar, where I go to imagine your camaraderie, which, in this video, encourages me and makes me smile for good reason!
Thanks for answering the hard questions. As someone that grew up in the Catholic church and has struggled with my faith as an adult, your videos have helped me find some peace.
Inspiring Philosophy has a Good video on Hell but in short, the Church teaches that hell is the place for those who refuse God's offer of salvation from sin the punishments of hell do not come from God as some sort of vengeance but it comes from the nature of sin, just like a drug addict suffers withdrawal symptoms when the drug is taken away, the punishments in hell are far far worse, the people in Hell attached meaning to something that has no meaning, and their soul will never be satisfied because they rejected God the only source of eternal fulfillment and happiness
One thing Fr Pine mentioned about God not imposing himself or coercing with violence. I’m reading through the old testament right now with Fr Mike Schmitz and seems there were some pretty violent things to draw his people back to himself. I’m thinking chastisements. God allows these things to happen for a reason. Sometimes to draw us back to himself, other times as reparation offered for those willing to carry the cross of suffering. Some people I’ve talked to don’t share this same perspective.
It has to do with the usage of the term "violence;" when God uses physical force in the OT (what we call violence), that is a punishment for wrongdoing (i.e. Justice). When Fr. Pine says God does not use violence, I think he means that God does not force people to conversion through violation of their free will. Yes God punishes, but that is an act of justice, not violence.
I'm converting but I'm struggling with this. I understand not choosing salvation, but many atheists sincerely believe that God doesn't exist and that there is no salvation. What are they to do? What choice do they have?
It is so scary. It seems incredibly easy to be condemned to hell. One mortal sin could damn you for all eternity. I know it is important to meditate on the last four things - heaven, hell, judgment, and death. It is scary thinking you, someone you know & love, etc could be separated for all eternity because of the choices each of you has made. So sad.
@@T3hD4rkKn1ght None of us are perfect. I fear I could go to hell because of some of my sins. I wish I were perfect. It annoys me a lot that there are bad sides to my personality. I could make better choices. Religion is difficult
@Ife O In Jesus all righteousness is found, don’t focus on the sin focus on your identity in Jesus we are weak he is strong.... remember greater is he who is in me than he who is in the world. I pray this helps you. May God pour out his presence and graces upon you
WOW.....U guys get mad props for evening mentioning HELL. I will admit it got a little heady for me but non the landed in God’s Grace. I found this quote from Charles Spurgeon almost immediately after hearing your breakdown. & it gave me an even clearer picture of hell vs. SALVATION ✨ .....You are too delicate to tell the man that he is ill. You hope to heal the sick without their knowing it. You therefore flatter them. And what happens? They laugh at you. They dance upon their own graves and at last they die. Your delicacy is cruelty, your flatteries are poisons you are a murderer. Shall we keep men in a fool's paradise? Shall we lull them into soft slumber from which they will awake in hell? Are we to become helpers of their damnation by our smooth speeches? In the name of God we will not. -Charles Spurgeon
Volunteering this addendum: not merely over the course of one's life can one become a creature for whom God is a torture. All it takes is ONE mortal sin. All it takes is, for instance, ONE fully volitional impure thought, and you are thus become such a creature.
Isaiah 45:7 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
I have a question for Father Gregory and Father Mark-Mary. 🙏 If God uses actual graces to push people towards the right direction, then may I ask what's the criteria for something to be called an "actual grace?" Because for some reason, most people aren't aware that God is giving them graces everyday so that they will recognize Him. Are these actual graces given during happy times or are they given during times of suffering? 🙏 May God bless you both ❤❤❤
@Charlie Hebdo That is what does not logically follow. Why would we buy into this myth of God purposefully sabotage God's self? This all comes down to a poor understanding of the good and free will, which Origen settled for the Eastern Fathers long ago. Is God not free, even though God only chooses the good? No, God is ultimately free. The idea that choosing the good makes us less free is moral confusion.
@Charlie Hebdo A different free will? Differing free wills within creation do not make sense. A will is either free to choose the good, or it is enslaved to sin (to paraphrase Augustine). God is not irrational or self-defeating.
- Nerdy reflection - Imagine God's grace and presence like the field, or "force", of gravity, in this case God always draws all creation to his perfect goodness and perfect existence of holiness, the closer we are to God, the stronger this "force" is. Gravity never pushes things away, it can only attract matters into its center; the same with God who always draws every creation to its ultimate state of good as purposed by God. However, gravity can be fought against with force and there will come a point where the force or speed is so great that an object will escape the gravitational influence of its parent host; and if the object no longer has fuel, it will drift away forever from the center of the parent host; like the Voyager spacecraft from the sun for example. I believe the same with a deceased person who persisted in mortal sins until death, his body and soul are separated in death, the person no longer has any means of control or "fuel" to change his course or state, like the fuel-empty spacecraft already speeding out of the solar system for good; the soul cannot orient himself anymore to God because of the choice he has made during his lifetime. Imagine being so lost in the darkness of empty space, until your parent star is nothing but a dot of light, and with your fuel empty and communications lost, you can never go back to the star system you were once originated in.
An interesting analogy. But being in that lost state for eternity would certainly constitute torture. And an All Loving Merciful and Just God could arrange things differently. A vanishing to nothing would appear more humane in those circumstances.
@@annoyingchannel8812 So, the people who were alive would get away with all the horrible things they did? By just vanishing into nothingness where nobody can bother them about their sinful things they have done?
Can you explain what the difference between Hell, and the Eternal Fire made for Satan and his followers and demons? Because in the Bible it says after judgement Hell is thrown into the eternal fire. And just about all I've heard of Hell it shows the devil and his demons and followers ruling and hurting humans thrown in Hell. So I've come to understand there is a difference between the two. ... ??? ...
Please someone reply. Ok, IVF is wrong but a child who is born of IVF, how does the church accept this child?? I mean I was born of IVF and I didn't know that it was not accepted in the church. But since I got to know about it I am having doubts about my existence. Did God not want me to be here? I was an accident? Everyone else was formed in the mother's womb by God himself, but I was deliberately brought into existence. I am struggling with this, I used to go to church frequently earlier, but since I have got to know about this I am having second thoughts on my faith and religion. I feel that God doesn't love me, he didn't create me. This breaks my heart. Pls help me someone.
You didn't create yourself. God created you through the endeavours of others. I wasn't aware that the church condemns those born of IVF. If there was sin it was your parents not yours. Thinking you are condemned for being someone without choice is a greater sin I think. Pray for help and it will come. I hope this has helped in a small way. You chose to reach out and that is very brave. I hope you find peace and acceptance. God turns no one away.
If God formed people yet knows the future then he made you knowing exactly how you'd reason in every situation and the ultimate outcome. There is no choice or free will in that, you operate according to the elaborate game God has constructed. It's good to know God doesn't force things on people. I choose to not go to hell then.
That's a really shallow understanding, either out of ignorance or choice. It's the kind of thing someone says to be clever, but is actually quite foolish.
Wait, so are you saying that _just knowing_ an outcome contradicts free will? How does simply having knowledge of the future and free will contradict each other?
@@andrews5997 if God made you knowing what your choices would be before he made you said way, then he made you to be exactly what you are. Example, God must have known that creating me the way he did would result in me being an atheist. Yet he is going to judge me for it despite making me so that it would happen? He could have easily changed one little thing and id be saved. It's akin to making a robot, then punishing it for doing what you made it to do. The only reason the analogy works is his massive omnis. If you say he doesn't have those, I would have to relinquish the point.
It creeps me out that they laugh and smile while talking about sentient beings being tortured forever. One could speculate that all rational creatures will be saved, despite what any tradition says.
The short answer is no good reason. A place of eternal horrific torment is not the type of place necessary to fulfill that which is logically required by the notion of our free will. Something simply other than Heaven or better yet, annihilation itself, would easily be a more reasonable and humane alternative.
If a dog is foolishly about to jump in a lake, are you going say no don’t & hand it rope or forcibly stop it from jumping in. It’s hard to phantom the choice explanation when compared to God, we are very naive, foolish, and stubborn. Like a child. We don’t allow our children to make all their choices not because we don’t love them but because they don’t know better & sometimes adults have to intervene to forcibly stop any possibility of danger, especially in a matter of life or death. Do you see my point?
Where does Father Gregory get the idea that the beatific vision overwhelms free will and rejection is not possible amid a less veiled presence of God? Was that a theory of Aquinas? Angels were in Heaven with the Lord when many rejected Him. Though free will is posited as a uniquely human gift, do we not believe that Satan and his ilk chose against God? Did Aquinas believe the difference of nature between angels and men means we are affected differently by the beatific vision? Was that enough questions for you? ;) Hell is important for all Christians to know and remember. That our Holy Mother saw fit to reveal Hell to children during her visitation verifies the traditional exposure of even children to that warning. Jesus talks about Hell a lot, so it is important. There is a tendency these days to dismiss the virtue of "fear of the Lord" as awe and wonder, but such an understanding is incomplete at best. A spotless saint like Mother Mary has no cause to fear the Lord, but all sinners do. Fear is the safety net that catches us when our devotion and trust fail. Every loving parent instills both fear and respect in children because fallen human nature is such that respect and honor will sometimes fail. Fear of the Lord's due wrath can deter us from sin for the worst reasons until our hearts are ready again for the right reasons. Thanks for these videos and reflections. Please pray for me as I pray for y'all.
It's one thing to fear your parent's disciplining you for your good, it's another thing to fear parent's capable of throwing you into a torture chamber and abandoning you there forever. The first you would compare to God, the second you would compare to...is it God?
Dear Fr. Gregory Pine, you say at the 08:11 mark that God is a gentleman that isn't going to force anyone unto Himself and that He doesn't coerce to violence. Yet that is exactly what you claim He does if you are going to harmonize that statement with 1) the well known passages that teach us that every knee will bend to Him. And 2) that keeping people alive for all eternity for the sole purpose of torturing them. So, I invite you to reflect on your own words about God not forcing anyone into heaven yet God has no problem forcing somebody to bend their knee to him and confessing Him as Lord. And God being a gentleman yet he has no problem torturing people in fire forever. I have a trustworthy saying on this matter: God's salvation plan does not stop at a human's (or any other created beings) death and that Jesus has the keys to death and hell for a good reason: namely that He is going to redeem everyone back to himself.
you use the word 'force' several times; where is that in the bible concerning salvation? where does it say he will force them to confess that He is Lord? One can choose to admit that he is the Boss whether obeying him or not.
@@tamarakonczal6350 I agree, salvation can not be forced. To even utter the words "Jesus is Lord" is impossible without having the Spirit of God. "Therefore I inform you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:3
Father Mark-Mary does the same with all his co-hosts. He always lets them speak without constantly interrupting them. He's always interested in what they have to say. God bless him!
Eternal burning torment would only be NECESSARY if two reasons were BOTH true: 1. The souls of all humans are immortal (i.e. all souls become conscious after conception and continue to exist into eternity future), and 2. The corrupting seed of sin that we receive from our parents grows progressively, irreversibly, absolutely, and completely given enough time. Even a speck of sin is the seed of a future satanic being within. Just as our souls are locked into our current mortal bodies, the lost will be raised and given immortal bodies to lock their souls into. Then they will be thrown into the lake of fire. No matter how kind and gentle a nonbeliever may seem to you at the moment, God sees the sin inside them growing. Ephesians 4:22 (NASB) says, “That, in reference to your former way of life, you are to rid yourselves of the old self, which IS BEING corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit.” 2 Timothy 3:13 (NASB) says, “But evil people and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.” Galatians 5:9 (NASB) says, “A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough.” Colossians 1:21 (NLT) says, “This includes you (Gentiles before they became Christians) who were once far away from God. You were his enemies, separated from him by your evil thoughts and actions.” Ephesians 2:12 (NASB) says, “Remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.” For this reason, God knows that their immortal soul is on track to being another satanic-like being in the future. And since their soul exists forever, if they do not obtain salvation through Jesus, God must eternally separate them from Himself and those who will be in heaven. But He loves His enemies and has made a way out of our hopeless situation through the person of Jesus Christ if we accept Him before we die. 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 (NLT), “And God will provide rest for you who are being persecuted and also for us when the Lord Jesus appears from heaven. He will come with his mighty angels, in flaming fire, bringing judgment on those who don’t know God and on those who refuse to obey the Good News of our Lord Jesus.” Look at the current behavior of Satan and his demons driven by hate and rage. They are the end products of complete corruption. John 10:10a (NASB) says, “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.” How can anyone contain satanic evil in a group of lost immortal humans and angels? Do you remember what God said in Genesis about the abilities of humans? God reveals something about humans in Genesis 11:6 (NLT), “‘Look!’ he said. ‘The people are united, and they all speak the same language. After this, nothing they set out to do will be impossible for them!’” Eternal pain will eternally contain the lost souls’ thoughts and attention. They will forever be in such torment that they can never unify to break forth and spread corruption again. Bottom line - the sin (selfishness) in lost people is growing progressively, irreversibly, absolutely, and completely given enough time. Death does not stop the progression. Every lost person will end up completely corrupted like Satan and his demons driven by hate and rage so that all they want to do is “steal, kill and destroy.” Eternal separation and containment in torment are necessary.
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The greatest crossover since St Francis met and befriended St Dominic In Rome
Lol
Haha, sounds like the time when St. Catherine of Sweden (daughter of St. Bridget of Sweden) met and befriended St. Catherine of Sienna in Rome.
Seems like God likes to see crossovers just as much as we do 😁
And St Bonaventure and St Thomas
St Francis with St Anthony of Padua
Hahaha 😂😂😂 this is exactly what I thought
A Franciscan and a Dominican sit together for 10 minutes, the Dominican talks the entire time, the Franciscan reveals at the end that he wants to eat pizza. It doesn’t get more Catholic than this!
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The Dominican probably had too much coffee. 😅
They study & preach! Order of Preachers 💕
God does not want us to go hungry
@@chorjennie4038 but He appreciates if we fast to honor Him! Gloria in excelsis Deo 🙏🏻
Dear Ascension folks: More of Father Gregory, please.
He’s a frequent guest on Pints with Aquinas
He's on Pints With Aquinas every Wednesday
He's on Godsplaining Podcast here in YT as well. That's their channel, you might want to subscribe to their channel too 😊
Fr Pine talking about Frozen is so wholesome.
Please pray for me. I’m a broke unemployed widow.
God bless you
Lifting you up in prayer
Of course
U r loved♥️🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
God bless you dear. In my prayers.
Please GOD bring my 22 yr old daughter back home now and reconcile us back together. Heal her heart take away her hurts, bitterness ,& unforgiveness. Jeremiah 31:16-17 Amen
Just said a prayer for you and your daughter
@@magnoliam4159 thank you.....May GOD answer your prayers, too.
@@magnoliam4159 My daughter ,Faith, gave her heart to HIM as a young child....now I think she is going through a Pruning season - but this time seems harder on me!
I pray that your daughter may come back home 🙏🏻
Let her live her life. If you did something that hurt her and she can’t forgive you, she will need time.
Fr. Pine is a gem.
I had to read this a few time. I kept thinking it read "Fr. Pine is a germ." lmao
@@ASRCFTAtheist choke 😂😂😂
Fr Mark-Mary and Fr Gregory are an amazing team!!! More of them together would be awesome!!!
Hi guys my grandpa died 2 days ago plz pray for him
I will pray for his soul.🙏
@@raphaelrico1584 Me too. RIP.
Will be praying for him.
I will send prayers
And THAT'S why they are called "the Order of Preachers." Preach, Brother Gregory!+
I didn’t know what O.P. stand for, now I do! Thanks!
When explaining hell to my 5th/6th graders I illustrate it that evil people are like cockroaches; what happens when you flip on the light? They scurry away and hide in the dark. When faced with the radiant, peaceful light of Christ at their deaths evil people actually are repulsed. It’s not God’s fault they chose hell. Which leads to a whole series of teachings on how to be God’s child of light, sharing His love, joy and peace with all people we meet, the good, the bad and the ugly. And I pray daily for all my students, past, present and future that they get it. Beautiful presentation, thank you!
@@Roman-Labrador we are given free will to choose to follow the dark side or the light. Satan is a liar and thief and makes stuff that harms us look enticing and fun. We choose not to follow the Truth or are ignorant of it and get sucked in. Free will is a gift that keeps us from being puppets.
Except real cockroaches haven’t chosen their nature. Evil people have chosen to hide from God, disbelieving His love for them. That is a horrible sin.
You are an instrument of peace dear Barb ❤️. Thank you for building the Kingdom ✝️. You might like Ralph Martin on You Tube: ‘An Appeal to Clergy’ especially if your students are near the age of Confirmation. In my experience, the world and the Catholic Church do not give this opportunity for us to choose Christ.
@@chomperthefirst533 I was just canceled by my pastor for being too judgmental and a fundamentalist because I taught class the values directly found in Sacred Scripture. The parish I transferred to has my Biblical world view. God has a plan, I trust in Him.
The fact that you are preaching eternal torment to 10 year olds proves who the evil one here is. And it isn’t the kid that doesn’t buy into your nonsense
Fr Mark Mary & Fr Gregory Pine what could be better ✝️💜✝️💜✝️
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,”
2 Corinthians 1:3 RSV-CI
Thanks for providing more humor than worry in a way that seems right to me. It's often hard to feel worthy - like answering an impossible question at a bar, where I go to imagine your camaraderie, which, in this video, encourages me and makes me smile for good reason!
Thanks for answering the hard questions. As someone that grew up in the Catholic church and has struggled with my faith as an adult, your videos have helped me find some peace.
What a blessing you both are!
I COULD LISTEN TO THEM FOR HOURS...
Great to see you two together!
God bless all
I would be interested in hearing Fr. Pine flesh this out even more. Like the nature of hell and why it cannot be undone or unredeemed.
Check out Aquinas 101 or the Thomistic Institute podcast to see if they have already done a lecture on that topic.
Inspiring Philosophy has a Good video on Hell
but in short, the Church teaches that hell is the place for those who refuse God's offer of salvation from sin
the punishments of hell do not come from God as some sort of vengeance but it comes from the nature of sin, just like a drug addict suffers withdrawal symptoms when the drug is taken away, the punishments in hell are far far worse, the people in Hell attached meaning to something that has no meaning, and their soul will never be satisfied because they rejected God the only source of eternal fulfillment and happiness
Thank you, Father Mark-Mary and Father Gregory! Prayers for you and all of our clergy. God bless!
God's love keeps safe from uncertain truth and lies of the world.
Great homily! Enjoy you both! God bless!
This is GOLD thank you
Y’all are beautiful souls, grateful for you both. Be neighborly, be kind and humble.
One thing Fr Pine mentioned about God not imposing himself or coercing with violence. I’m reading through the old testament right now with Fr Mike Schmitz and seems there were some pretty violent things to draw his people back to himself.
I’m thinking chastisements. God allows these things to happen for a reason. Sometimes to draw us back to himself, other times as reparation offered for those willing to carry the cross of suffering.
Some people I’ve talked to don’t share this same perspective.
It has to do with the usage of the term "violence;" when God uses physical force in the OT (what we call violence), that is a punishment for wrongdoing (i.e. Justice). When Fr. Pine says God does not use violence, I think he means that God does not force people to conversion through violation of their free will. Yes God punishes, but that is an act of justice, not violence.
@@phoult37 Well..I'd say the threat of being sentenced to eternal torture is definitely duress, though.
Amen 🙏♥️🙏 beautiful thank you father may God bless you both
God bless you and bless your lovely guests. Thank you
Throughly enjoy Fr Mary-Mark and Fr Gregory’s wisdom and delivery. God bless them. God bless their ministries. Thank you,
Awesome video!!!
My two favorites
Thanks fellas. Needed to hear this.
A Cathostar was born with Fr. Pine back then, and it’s still shining bright.
I’ve always wanted to find answers... and here they are
Yesss CCC movies 😆 I remember watching those with all my siblings
What are they?
Thank you for this video, it was very helpful. It’s so nice to know that god is working on each and everyone of us to come to heaven.
I love the end humour 😂
Good job Fr Gregory
I'm converting but I'm struggling with this. I understand not choosing salvation, but many atheists sincerely believe that God doesn't exist and that there is no salvation. What are they to do? What choice do they have?
“Our Lady’s favourite, what’s up?”
- Gangsta Father Pine 😎
Fr. Pine unlocked a hidden memory with those VHS tapes, great stuff
God bless you both!
I absolutely love you guys! You both explain things so well but also have a sense of humor. Thank you!
Absolutely amazing!!! Loving every second of this presentation.
It is so scary. It seems incredibly easy to be condemned to hell. One mortal sin could damn you for all eternity. I know it is important to meditate on the last four things - heaven, hell, judgment, and death. It is scary thinking you, someone you know & love, etc could be separated for all eternity because of the choices each of you has made. So sad.
God provides everything for those who strive to love Him. We don't have to be afraid.
@@T3hD4rkKn1ght None of us are perfect. I fear I could go to hell because of some of my sins. I wish I were perfect. It annoys me a lot that there are bad sides to my personality. I could make better choices. Religion is difficult
@Ife O In Jesus all righteousness is found, don’t focus on the sin focus on your identity in Jesus we are weak he is strong.... remember greater is he who is in me than he who is in the world. I pray this helps you. May God pour out his presence and graces upon you
@@tonymartinez8206 don't believe that straw man argument, Tony. Will say a prayer for you.
only if you dont repent
WOW.....U guys get mad props for evening mentioning HELL. I will admit it got a little heady for me but non the landed in God’s Grace. I found this quote from Charles Spurgeon almost immediately after hearing your breakdown. & it gave me an even clearer picture of hell vs. SALVATION ✨
.....You are too delicate to tell the man that he is ill. You hope to heal the sick without their knowing it. You therefore flatter them. And what happens? They laugh at you. They dance upon their own graves and at last they die. Your delicacy is cruelty, your flatteries are poisons you are a murderer. Shall we keep men in a fool's paradise? Shall we lull them into soft slumber from which they will awake in hell? Are we to become helpers of their damnation by our smooth speeches? In the name of God we will not.
-Charles Spurgeon
Watch Fr. Mark Goring.
Volunteering this addendum: not merely over the course of one's life can one become a creature for whom God is a torture. All it takes is ONE mortal sin. All it takes is, for instance, ONE fully volitional impure thought, and you are thus become such a creature.
The first 6 seconds...😂😂😂 I can't get enough! 😂
Isaiah 45:7
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
delight to watch, God bless you both!
I loved it 💙
Ascension Presents....please have Fr. Pine over again. Also, Fr. Briscoe and Fr. Chapman 😁
Excellent presentation
“God is conspiring toward your salvation”
😂😂😂 love it
What about the other 99.99% of humanity who don't make it?
I have a question for Father Gregory and Father Mark-Mary. 🙏 If God uses actual graces to push people towards the right direction, then may I ask what's the criteria for something to be called an "actual grace?" Because for some reason, most people aren't aware that God is giving them graces everyday so that they will recognize Him. Are these actual graces given during happy times or are they given during times of suffering? 🙏 May God bless you both ❤❤❤
Absolutely wonderful. Thank you both. Best punch line ever! Blessings~
okay pretty words but does he still light me on fire for all eternity?
i came for the thumbnail😂. kidding aside, thank you ascension presents for these people🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
“I could pass out” had me. X’D
There's heaven, there's hell, in between a great battle is fought for the souls of men.
I bet everybody looked at Fr. Gregory Pine like Fr. Mark-Mary did throught the video lol
Short answer: Because God is just.
Love the joke Fr. Gregory! 😂
If God is all powerful and wants all to be saved, then God cannot fail in that endeavor
@Charlie Hebdo That is what does not logically follow. Why would we buy into this myth of God purposefully sabotage God's self?
This all comes down to a poor understanding of the good and free will, which Origen settled for the Eastern Fathers long ago. Is God not free, even though God only chooses the good? No, God is ultimately free. The idea that choosing the good makes us less free is moral confusion.
@Charlie Hebdo A different free will? Differing free wills within creation do not make sense. A will is either free to choose the good, or it is enslaved to sin (to paraphrase Augustine).
God is not irrational or self-defeating.
2:20
@@marybeth1747 not really any kind of counter argument
The thought that Heaven is torture for those who choose Hell is terrifying and heartbreaking, but it makes more sense than some may realize.
Really loved this- thank you both🙏🏼🙏🏼
- Nerdy reflection -
Imagine God's grace and presence like the field, or "force", of gravity, in this case God always draws all creation to his perfect goodness and perfect existence of holiness, the closer we are to God, the stronger this "force" is. Gravity never pushes things away, it can only attract matters into its center; the same with God who always draws every creation to its ultimate state of good as purposed by God.
However, gravity can be fought against with force and there will come a point where the force or speed is so great that an object will escape the gravitational influence of its parent host; and if the object no longer has fuel, it will drift away forever from the center of the parent host; like the Voyager spacecraft from the sun for example.
I believe the same with a deceased person who persisted in mortal sins until death, his body and soul are separated in death, the person no longer has any means of control or "fuel" to change his course or state, like the fuel-empty spacecraft already speeding out of the solar system for good; the soul cannot orient himself anymore to God because of the choice he has made during his lifetime. Imagine being so lost in the darkness of empty space, until your parent star is nothing but a dot of light, and with your fuel empty and communications lost, you can never go back to the star system you were once originated in.
wow this is so poetic and makes so much sense! Thanks for the reflection :D
That’s a freaking good analogy. Can I use this?
Yes, nerdy. And I love it!
An interesting analogy. But being in that lost state for eternity would certainly constitute torture. And an All Loving Merciful and Just God could arrange things differently. A vanishing to nothing would appear more humane in those circumstances.
@@annoyingchannel8812 So, the people who were alive would get away with all the horrible things they did? By just vanishing into nothingness where nobody can bother them about their sinful things they have done?
Amen !!!!❤🙏
The grass is the litteral sens of Scripure 😁.
Can I get some chapter and verse for “God is a gentleman”
What do y'all think about agriculture is it a sin to eat animals that have gone through pain for our selfish need
Why the devil is not mentioned in the ecuation of hell? He also has a plan to send you there...don’t he?
Can you explain what the difference between Hell, and the Eternal Fire made for Satan and his followers and demons? Because in the Bible it says after judgement Hell is thrown into the eternal fire.
And just about all I've heard of Hell it shows the devil and his demons and followers ruling and hurting humans thrown in Hell. So I've come to understand there is a difference between the two.
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Do the Church Fathers speak of different levels of Heaven and Hell as in classic literature?
HAHAHA the last bite
I love the jokes Fr. :) Yes Dominicans are the favorites:) hahahaha
EXACTLY what I thought is Peter Parker's uncle hahahahah
First letter of Saint Timothy...what verse?
Please someone reply. Ok, IVF is wrong but a child who is born of IVF, how does the church accept this child??
I mean I was born of IVF and I didn't know that it was not accepted in the church. But since I got to know about it I am having doubts about my existence. Did God not want me to be here? I was an accident? Everyone else was formed in the mother's womb by God himself, but I was deliberately brought into existence. I am struggling with this, I used to go to church frequently earlier, but since I have got to know about this I am having second thoughts on my faith and religion. I feel that God doesn't love me, he didn't create me. This breaks my heart. Pls help me someone.
You didn't create yourself. God created you through the endeavours of others. I wasn't aware that the church condemns those born of IVF. If there was sin it was your parents not yours. Thinking you are condemned for being someone without choice is a greater sin I think. Pray for help and it will come. I hope this has helped in a small way. You chose to reach out and that is very brave. I hope you find peace and acceptance. God turns no one away.
@@maryobodo2241 thank you
I have been thinking about this from the past few months, I am not at peace. Pls pray for me.
@@maryobodo2241 i know that ivf is condemned, but I don't know about the ones born of ivf
Is there anyone who can help me here?
@@iypecherian3227 Hi even if IVF is a sin you are not a mistake.God brings out good outcomes (you) even from wrongdoing.
Its kinda weird how he stares at him
There might be pizza behind him, outside of the frame...
If God formed people yet knows the future then he made you knowing exactly how you'd reason in every situation and the ultimate outcome. There is no choice or free will in that, you operate according to the elaborate game God has constructed.
It's good to know God doesn't force things on people. I choose to not go to hell then.
That's a really shallow understanding, either out of ignorance or choice. It's the kind of thing someone says to be clever, but is actually quite foolish.
Wait, so are you saying that _just knowing_ an outcome contradicts free will? How does simply having knowledge of the future and free will contradict each other?
@@andrews5997 if God made you knowing what your choices would be before he made you said way, then he made you to be exactly what you are. Example, God must have known that creating me the way he did would result in me being an atheist. Yet he is going to judge me for it despite making me so that it would happen? He could have easily changed one little thing and id be saved. It's akin to making a robot, then punishing it for doing what you made it to do. The only reason the analogy works is his massive omnis. If you say he doesn't have those, I would have to relinquish the point.
I like this Dominican propaganda.
It creeps me out that they laugh and smile while talking about sentient beings being tortured forever. One could speculate that all rational creatures will be saved, despite what any tradition says.
The short answer is no good reason. A place of eternal horrific torment is not the type of place necessary to fulfill that which is logically required by the notion of our free will. Something simply other than Heaven or better yet, annihilation itself, would easily be a more reasonable and humane alternative.
If a dog is foolishly about to jump in a lake, are you going say no don’t & hand it rope or forcibly stop it from jumping in.
It’s hard to phantom the choice explanation when compared to God, we are very naive, foolish, and stubborn.
Like a child. We don’t allow our children to make all their choices not because we don’t love them but because they don’t know better & sometimes adults have to intervene to forcibly stop any possibility of danger, especially in a matter of life or death.
Do you see my point?
Then why the anger from God?
I think is because he has anger management issues. 🧸
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Where does Father Gregory get the idea that the beatific vision overwhelms free will and rejection is not possible amid a less veiled presence of God? Was that a theory of Aquinas? Angels were in Heaven with the Lord when many rejected Him. Though free will is posited as a uniquely human gift, do we not believe that Satan and his ilk chose against God? Did Aquinas believe the difference of nature between angels and men means we are affected differently by the beatific vision?
Was that enough questions for you? ;)
Hell is important for all Christians to know and remember. That our Holy Mother saw fit to reveal Hell to children during her visitation verifies the traditional exposure of even children to that warning. Jesus talks about Hell a lot, so it is important.
There is a tendency these days to dismiss the virtue of "fear of the Lord" as awe and wonder, but such an understanding is incomplete at best. A spotless saint like Mother Mary has no cause to fear the Lord, but all sinners do. Fear is the safety net that catches us when our devotion and trust fail.
Every loving parent instills both fear and respect in children because fallen human nature is such that respect and honor will sometimes fail. Fear of the Lord's due wrath can deter us from sin for the worst reasons until our hearts are ready again for the right reasons.
Thanks for these videos and reflections. Please pray for me as I pray for y'all.
It's one thing to fear your parent's disciplining you for your good, it's another thing to fear parent's capable of throwing you into a torture chamber and abandoning you there forever.
The first you would compare to God, the second you would compare to...is it God?
Great "cross over" and great thumbnail to begin with something
I still don't understand.
Nor do I. To me is just utter nonsense. 🧸
Dear Fr. Gregory Pine, you say at the 08:11 mark that God is a gentleman that isn't going to force anyone unto Himself and that He doesn't coerce to violence. Yet that is exactly what you claim He does if you are going to harmonize that statement with 1) the well known passages that teach us that every knee will bend to Him. And 2) that keeping people alive for all eternity for the sole purpose of torturing them.
So, I invite you to reflect on your own words about God not forcing anyone into heaven yet God has no problem forcing somebody to bend their knee to him and confessing Him as Lord. And God being a gentleman yet he has no problem torturing people in fire forever.
I have a trustworthy saying on this matter: God's salvation plan does not stop at a human's (or any other created beings) death and that Jesus has the keys to death and hell for a good reason: namely that He is going to redeem everyone back to himself.
you use the word 'force' several times; where is that in the bible concerning salvation? where does it say he will force them to confess that He is Lord? One can choose to admit that he is the Boss whether obeying him or not.
@@tamarakonczal6350 I agree, salvation can not be forced. To even utter the words "Jesus is Lord" is impossible without having the Spirit of God.
"Therefore I inform you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit."
1 Corinthians 12:3
@@yourenotthatguy196 Then what's the Problem?
God is a gentleman? He will not force himself? He does not concede to violence? We have not read the same Bible.
If God is going to torture sinners forever, shouldn't the Bible say that somewhere? I wonder why it doesn't.
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U guys seeing the way Fr. Mark Mary is staring intently at Fr. Gregory. No harm... Am just like... Whaaaat😳
He's listening intently :)
Father Mark-Mary does the same with all his co-hosts. He always lets them speak without constantly interrupting them. He's always interested in what they have to say. God bless him!
Doesn’t He know the moment we’re born if we’re going to heaven or hell
@Donny Moree Then surely it would have been more humane for those individuals not to have been born? Eternal torment is simply appalling.
@@annoyingchannel8812 I'd say God made all Humans for Heaven but allows us to reject him.
@@annoyingchannel8812 To be is more humane than to not be
What a thumbnail
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“I really hope that doesn’t happen to me”
Hahahahahah
I just hope there's Animals in Heaven.
Eternal burning torment would only be NECESSARY if two reasons were BOTH true: 1. The souls of all humans are immortal (i.e. all souls become conscious after conception and continue to exist into eternity future), and 2. The corrupting seed of sin that we receive from our parents grows progressively, irreversibly, absolutely, and completely given enough time. Even a speck of sin is the seed of a future satanic being within.
Just as our souls are locked into our current mortal bodies, the lost will be raised and given immortal bodies to lock their souls into. Then they will be thrown into the lake of fire.
No matter how kind and gentle a nonbeliever may seem to you at the moment, God sees the sin inside them growing.
Ephesians 4:22 (NASB) says, “That, in reference to your former way of life, you are to rid yourselves of the old self, which IS BEING corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit.”
2 Timothy 3:13 (NASB) says, “But evil people and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.”
Galatians 5:9 (NASB) says, “A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough.”
Colossians 1:21 (NLT) says, “This includes you (Gentiles before they became Christians) who were once far away from God. You were his enemies, separated from him by your evil thoughts and actions.”
Ephesians 2:12 (NASB) says, “Remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”
For this reason, God knows that their immortal soul is on track to being another satanic-like being in the future. And since their soul exists forever, if they do not obtain salvation through Jesus, God must eternally separate them from Himself and those who will be in heaven. But He loves His enemies and has made a way out of our hopeless situation through the person of Jesus Christ if we accept Him before we die.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 (NLT), “And God will provide rest for you who are being persecuted and also for us when the Lord Jesus appears from heaven. He will come with his mighty angels, in flaming fire, bringing judgment on those who don’t know God and on those who refuse to obey the Good News of our Lord Jesus.”
Look at the current behavior of Satan and his demons driven by hate and rage. They are the end products of complete corruption.
John 10:10a (NASB) says, “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.”
How can anyone contain satanic evil in a group of lost immortal humans and angels? Do you remember what God said in Genesis about the abilities of humans?
God reveals something about humans in Genesis 11:6 (NLT), “‘Look!’ he said. ‘The people are united, and they all speak the same language. After this, nothing they set out to do will be impossible for them!’” Eternal pain will eternally contain the lost souls’ thoughts and attention. They will forever be in such torment that they can never unify to break forth and spread corruption again.
Bottom line - the sin (selfishness) in lost people is growing progressively, irreversibly, absolutely, and completely given enough time. Death does not stop the progression. Every lost person will end up completely corrupted like Satan and his demons driven by hate and rage so that all they want to do is “steal, kill and destroy.” Eternal separation and containment in torment are necessary.
It doesn't. Its made up.
Why do you believe that?
@@andrews5997 because I'm batman!
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