German Retirees in Eastern European Homes | Journal Reporters
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2013
- For the many elderly Germans who need care, the cost of nursing homes can be prohibitively high. Some are now turning to Eastern Europe for the solution. Care homes in countries like Poland and the Czech Republic are cheaper than in Germany. But others are still put off by differences in language and culture, as well as the increased distance from their relatives.
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The best environment for the elderly is their own home surrounded by their families...how sad!
Yes but if they have family! Some cases families do not want to take care of aging parents , only option is care homes
No. I disagree. My father is 90 and is so much happier in a home with people who are at the same end of life stage. The eat together. Play cards and games together, Safe. 24 hr nursing care. Huge safe corridors he can freely walk. His tiny unit with stairs was unsafe.
I agree with you after all they are our elders and they worked hard and they took care of us, I am a proud italian and family are number one in our lives.
Well not for white people. 😣
It's sad to see how these "developed" countries become less suitable to elderly. Need urgent changes.
The documentary doesn't mention that by catering to german clients the prices of nursing homes rise in Poland and CZ and the locals can't afford retirement in their own country in turn.
Who cares,we German need to save money
Why don't Germans take care of their elderly parents like we Asians do?
Consumer society Young people are to busy consuming no time for parents.
@@makkfitty1627 easy answer for a complex question. nice one
Too many work maybe?
Because our seniors dont die at 60
@@noahnoway2216 ok, that is dark
I am Paul the rebel and a senior. Please get in touch with me. Us the seniors in Germany, USA, Canada and in all the advanced world must get organised and don't let our governments get away with this abuse.
Where are you from? My mom's 69 from Romania, E Europe, U.E.
Why aren't German pensions large enough to allow elderly people to live in their own country?
pensions are not large enough anywhere for people to afford to retire in a care home in their country. same as polish pensioners cannot afford care homes in poland. in the uk, it is much cheaper (about a half the price) to live on a cruise ship than to live in a care home.
Chris Czechowicz Pensions don't factor in INFLATION. Basically you have to have your own personal investments to make ends meet.
Poor elderly people should be treated better by their own countries. So sad to know that once the state has no use for you, they turn their back on you when you are most vulnerable.
Why do you expect the state to deal with this rather than say the individuals family?
Spend on refugees
A lot of Americans are retiring in Mexico where managed care is half the price it is in the US.
Yes true, Largest retirement communities of Americans are in Mexico.
I've seen prices just as high in Mexico as the US especially for Dementia patients
oh god, I don't want to become old when I see the life of these people...
Xez1919 I don't go to the doctor. If I die of a sickness, cancer, than I die. Its better to die at 40 or 50 than live like this old people live.
Well here in Hohenkirchen Wangerland (North Germany) there is a new place which costs 1500 euros per month all inclusive. (24 hour care and food included) You get a large room with your own large shower room. There is a nice communal Garden. The upper rooms have balconies. Couple's get larger accommodation, however it is not a nursing home.
well the nursing part makes the big cost difference...
Being old and broke is very very sad anywhere in the world, and even when you have money and being old, if you don't have your health, that's very, very sad too, as dementias sets in, to so many elderly people,
Where do you live? Come to Romania (part of U.E.) to my mom. She's 69 looking for a husband. I am living in W Europe...
This is so sad, Astrid lives in the same country as her mom & only sees here 3 times per year!??? & after all that carelessness her mother is still leaving her an inheritance! I will never understand European peoples indifference towards their own parents it’s very sad. I think maybe Italians don’t have this problem but other then that European culture is to throw the old away & let them die alone in old folks homes. How sad and pathetic. I love my mom I could never see her only a few times a year unless I lived a continent away, even then I would rather die then have her live in a nursing home. I would rather take care of her.
Hello, very good points you brought up. My mother is 82 years old, and even though her and my sister live in the same town, they see each other once or twice a month, sometimes more. I would have no problem letting my mom come stay with me when the time comes, she was always there for us. I also have relatives in Italy and Switzerland, and family is very important to them. Cheers, Rob.
In the US, the old die in their homes and nobody notices until the corpse starts to stink
My mother was evil, so I don't feel that way about her at all. Not everyone had a good childhood.
Totally agree with you... its sickening
@@zambam3 I'm sorry people, but you are all out of touch. This is the "German model", or even "Nordic model" and everybody is kinda OK with it, including, obviously, the mom. I am not saying it is right, in fact it is mostly a dead end, but seeing your own folks, parents or children, more than once a year is proof of a well-oiled cold-European family, where it is understood you do most things for career and money, and you pay your mostly high taxes so that "the system" can take care of those you left behind, even the less deserving ones. Warmer European types like the Italians, Greeks etc have been migrating to this model too, partly because it saves you a lot of hassle from backwards, illiterate relatives and partly because cut-throat capitalism demands it, you follow the money not the heart and that's it. Of course we prefer to do so without paying the taxes so, for those we left behind, you may have to re-read or re-watch the Little Match Girl
Old age sucks , life runs out ... I would never linger in such a place , waiting to die.
some have dementia, they have no say about it
Ingrid is such a stoic person! I admire her
And this report is brutally honest
This is what happens when drugs can extend the life of a relatively healthy person to 95 years. Other than breathing, others must do EVERYTHING for you.
Not drugs, but mostly surgeries. Drugs shorten their lives.
Exactly. It's ridiculous to live that long.
Agree and I am 70.why live longer anyway being problematic
Croatia, Slovakia, Hungary, that's the most prominent destinations at the moment. Some go as far as Thailand. I haven't heard of any foster homes in Greece or Italy& Spain. But this is just starting. New retirement homes catering specifically to the elderly from richer nations are being invested heavily into.
a foster home is a place where orphans live
There are no nursing homes in Italy because we care and love our family, parents and grandparents.
One of the countries I am considering getting old in is the Philippines, English is understood by most, and the care is very good, with exchange rates being P51-$1.00 it’s a viable option.
Very few elderly people in Germany actually speak English.
How to be a useless guy taking advantage of poverty accros the planet :
@@sotch2271 What's your solution for the urban and rural poor situation.
In the end they found their lebensraum in eastern Europe.
Tripserpentine That was a good one sir🤣
Yeah, EU has become The Fourth Reich.
@@morisoba2550 all the other countries should kiss Germany's shoes for saving them from bankruptcy
@@Arthur90 From what I understand, Germany still has a surplus of shoes... socks.... teeth.... eyeglasses... blouses... from the last time they set out to 'save civilization'.
Yes, that's one of the darkest humor i've ever heard.
it is sick system here in libya if you put your dad or mam on care center it is shame they live with their children and play with their grandchildren until they pass away
ayman alfred it was like that in China not that long ago. You will be surprised how fast things/traditions change. It’s not better or worse, it is just what it is.
You have to understand the economy of these countries as well
I can imagine what the conditions are in a Libyan nursing home.
Perfect
That German women is far too young to be in a care home, I think she will feel very uncomfortable and out of place with people much older then her.
Yeah, but if she's immobile from back operations, there are few options. PT is a must, but IDK
I get a bit sick.
It took me years to find an expensive home outside the city.
I worked 33 years in the city and only have seen "very rich" or asylum seekers getting free homes and free money.
It took me years on a small room in the city and not finding an appartment there before mooving outside.
So even polen could be a nice alternayive.
Why would anyone want to carry on living like that? When the time come i plan on doing an Oates.
Fun fact - none of the shown locations is in Eastern Europe.
That's nothing compared to Finland. In Finland, an elderly pays atleast 4,000€ a month! And a practical nurse earns atleast 2,400€ a month.
It's even more expensive in the USA.
Germany, Sweden, tactics are similar. Take care of the cow as long as it gives milk. Probably all Germanic Lords and Gods in all countries think alike.
Money is everything to them.
Taking care of the elderly is very intense...not for the weak.
In Poland such people just live poor and alone. Some are getting help from state in nursing houses but instead state is taking their pension and I think all property (but I'm not sure). Thus people don't choose this option. Living conditions are of course much lower than on this footage. Resembles rather homeless shelter. However at the moment predominantly people have their own children who more or less take care of them and at the end taking inheritance.
> In Poland such people just live poor and alone. Some are getting help from state in nursing houses but instead state is taking their pension and I think all property (but I'm not sure)
Nope, it's just pension. But, if it does not fully cover the costs, then the state shakes down the children as well, until the full amount is collected. Only in cases where all children have very low income, the state subsidies the difference.
For poor people not much options in old age.
Hoppas jag aldrig hamna sånt livet...jag har synt av dom på rigtigt.
Is'nt that ironic...rich country
And it's citizens have to go to Poland... imagine Poland was a free country after WWII...
Poland would be booming from a get go..
Sad that after paying taxes your whole life...you end up with this kind of treat on a 1st world country. Government need to take care of such elderly.
It is very sad for some people when they grow old. I strongly suggest for anyone thinking to go to a retirement home to think it over, for even if you have no one to talk to, it is very painful to make friends with people only to hear they passed away the other day. I remember my mother...she would make friends, and then she would tell me who is in the hospital and who passed away. I don't recommend retirement home, but if you have no one to care for you, then it may be a good move.
If you have a parent that is retired and elderly...try to care for them in your home...let them pass on surrounded with their grandchildren or you. They took care of you when you were a baby...only right to do the same when they are old. If there are relationship issues...it is much better to forgive. I for years did not tell my mother I love her. Then by the mercy of God, I forgave my mother only to find out what a little snot I've been to her. So, I took the opportunity to tell her I loved her as often as I could. I remember one day in her retirement apartment...a song came on the radio she liked and I invited her to dance...and she looked at me real close and said to me: "I adore you my son." I felt her breadth on my cheeks...and I thank God for such a gift...such a sweet memory.
But she was surrounded with death, for she lived in a government sponsored retirement building...for the elderly.
Poland is no longer a good option. The better option is to only live to 80...
Lol
With how damaged internally we are as humans 60 tops. Cause whats the point living half alive.
So what better option is if children can't keep you in your own home
This is really sad !!
What a sad state of affairs, what has the world come to:((
This is what happens when social systems designed to cater to long-term tax-payers are hijacked by private corporations who overpay their greedy CEOs and upper-level mgmt to the detriment of the actual clients. This is happening all over the United States too. Social services and lower-cost alternatives to elderly living are disappearing, replaced by incredibly high-dollar care facilities who do not provide decent care at any level. It isn't just about elder care, it's housing, hospitals, just about anything you can think of. It's the destruction of the middle and lower middle classes and pushing them into poverty.
Breaks my heart for the oldsters, but they seem pretty resolute and positive.
interesting what about Greece spain south Italy ect?
It's a tricky question indeed but if we are to talk about Greece I'm not sure it they are stable enought to hold advanced old age care :/
They've taken too many immigrants, they can't afford to take care of their own elderly.
Italy is by far too expensive and there's also a cultural problem: most people here think it is too sad to put one's parents in a nursing home so we normally live next to them and take care of them. When they are really old and need constant care it is more common to hire a live-in person who takes care of them. Most elderly people do not want to leave the flats they own and want to live next to their offspring. So we try to accomodate ourselves to their needs.... nursing homes are normally only used for the very elderly who need constant medical care and normally cost a fortune for that reason.
what a pitty... it would be enough to change the diet of these people to help at least half of them to get back their health on track and life 10-15 yrs longer
How depressing!
Wait why dont they like nursing home in Germany is it too expensive there?
How come Germans don't take care of their parents like the Chinese?
You mean the Chinese 40 years ago? China today is not China 40 years ago...
This is why Polish elderly people can not effort care homes. The prices are for the German wages.
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They pay this woman 500 Euros? Bull. Not possible, she's actually educated and speaks at least one foreign language, you can earn as much as a high school dropout as cashier in Lidl
The video is nearly six years old. That might explain it a bit?
@@PradedaCech it doesn't, salaries are basically stalling right now. maybe she got room and food for free, that would explain a lot, as it would be equal to salary at least 300 eur higher
The salaries stalling "right now" does not reach back six years, no? I am way too lazy and uninterested to look for the stats, but surely the salaries in Poland have budged since 2013.
@@PradedaCech man, how long is a period in which calculating salaries dynamics makes even sense? obviously nobody's gonna notice growth year to year, so yeah in this context (salary changes) right now means exactly that: for a few years.
go, dig in to statists and quit shitposting.
@@6Oko6Demona6 tough words big guy, lol. I couldn't care less, if you are not interested in the development of salaries in Poland, I definitely won't care. Cheers.
I worked in nursing home during my education and Eastern European where not treating well residents. They have a total different moral when come to patient care and patient dignity. Not sure about this will be turn out well.
Yes. "They" are all completely different from "us". It doesn't have anything to do with the meagre salary they receive.
In the US, the hospital sticks you in a nursing home if they can even find 1 depending on your needs and charge your family 20k a month that's 240,000 per year if you refuse based on price they charge you for all the hospital bills as punishment for reusing because you can't afford it.... if you do go to a nursing home once you run out of cash then can take all your retirement and any property you own. Once you run out of that money they just kick you out! Best country on earth! God Bless the USA!
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Poland is not in eastern europe but central... look where is the middle point of europe.
Anywhere east of Berlin is Eastern Europe, it's cultural not geographical.
There's east and west.
No one in the West considers Poland a Western European country. It's not western either culturally, politically or even geographically.
@@Skanzool Central. Central Europe.
Culturally, what was separated from the iron curtain stands for E Europe. So Poland is E Europe as much as a Balkan state is, even if they are in different parts of Europe geographically. Culturally it was the Eastern block or you forgot the past?!
wow so depressing
Why these old people are not with their families so strange in east there is no such phenomenon as old houses as old people live with their extended families
East where?
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Why are they leaving inheritance to their children. It doesn’t make sense . The Chinese look after their parents so do the Spanish and Italians . In only extreme cases should there be nursing care for elderly invalids . And the German Government need to step up and help the elderly in cases where there is definitely no savings or a property to off set care in a home for elderly. And forget inheritance to their children, that should definitely be spent on old age care .
The same is in Poland - Poles care a lot about they elderies, who usually live in their own flats having strong contact with their children and grandchildren and state nurses visiting them regularry at home. The nursing houses are preferred only by completely alone and sick persons.
+1. Anywhere in the European Union is fair game.
Very sad for Germany to lose their elders to another country. This accelerates the erosion of German culture in this generation at the same time of 3rd world migrant invasion.
Have you atoned for your country's Nazi past? Atone before you blame immigrants....
Moomin Pug obviously you're an immigrant.
beth myers- and obviously you're an obnoxious rodent pilfering on the goodness of humanity. now crawl back to bed and put a sock in your dry mouth.
10:08 Helloooo nurse! 😍
cracking tits
Interesting to note, that it seems to be totally politically incorrect these days, to mention that the Jihadi feminism we are about to witness for the last decades, has contributed substantially to this problem. Since women in Western societies not only have won the right to pursue a career, as men do, which is totally legitimate, now those are viewed as weak, who decide to stay at home or even care for their parents let alone parents of their husbands. On the contrary, strong women are portrayed as business women, dressed in male costumes, with this aggressive, over confident look in their eyes, by the media. This is utter bulls***. At the end, what’s more rewarding and important, than to be with your beloved ones, e.g. the ones you owe everything, your existence, your love, your education and so on ? There must be an obligation to stay together and help eachother. I’m helping both of my elderly parents every day, even though they were divorced. Now, I brought them together again and it’s difficult even to find somebody to replace me for a couple of days. The best thing is, that I don’t have to ponder all the time, how I can satisfy the out of this world phantasies and needs of a modern self entitled women, just thinking about herself. Though it’s is a burden, I live the life of a free, self determined and at the of the day, happy man.
Jihadi feminism? LOL. It must hurt to be inside your head.
What World turned in to , " Soylent Green " , when we become older , and if we become good question we become good for nothing , waste to disposal , people should ask them self why they fighting for endless Wars , nationalism , religious , for who ? On the end it does not matter what is our origin , what matter is that we are on the end of life line and nothing else matter , most of things we done in life was waste of time , consumer habits , competition , bizarre .
Did you watch the movie? Back in the 80's I did and it was.......😱😱😱😱
How awful these amazing people have worked hard all their lives and have seen war and hard ship so my coment is .you go angelia let in a million more while your own people cant survie and starve shame on you shame
The cold war description - 'Eastern Europe" - does not fit to Poland these days., almost 30 years after the collapse of the communist regime . Actually Poland is in a very middle of the continent, with one half of the country in the western part of it, and Czech Republic is all in the western part. In the eastern Europe there are:: Finland, Russia, Estonia, Georgia, Armenia and so on. Calling Poland "Eastern Europe", you should also call Berlin an Eastern-European town.
Geographically yes but culturally it is from E Europe block. It's the curtain iron delimitation
Shame on their children
Traditionally it was not a German minority living in Silesia, but a majority lol
Traditionally Germans came to Silesia in the second half of 18th century (Lowel Silesia) and in 19th century (Upper Silesia - before, for 800 years the part of Polish Kingdom, with the Polish population. Latin "Silesia" is from Polish name "Śląsk", which means mud territory). And Germans never were majority there. Even if in Lower Silesia (inhabited mostly by Poles and Czechs) people started to speak German. In Upper Silesia the "majority" of Germans showed 3 Silesian Urisings and voting in 1918 - when Silesians chosed to be the part of Poland. Even thousands of Bavarians, transported by trains to Silesia for voting (the aim was to change the proportion of the local population) did not help.
This people have no pride.
She went for dating to find young man.