Debunking Antioch vs. Alexandria: The Truth About Biblical Origins
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- The tradition of the New Testament does not simply stem from Alexandria and Antioch, and its textual origins go beyond just two traditions. Interpretation and copyist accuracy are not synonymous. The challenges the graphic presented on the quantity and content of the text types are inaccurate. Allegorical interpretation from Alexandria isn't the root of any textual changes to support Arianism.
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Personally, my opinion is the King James Version elitists are kind of absurd because why would God only give English speakers the correct version of the Bible? It's just absolutely insane.
Especially since you have churches like the Greek church who still use the original Greek versions
It is strange that the disciples/apostles followed Jesus’ command about the Great Commission… to all of the world; yet certain groups (who are only believers because of the faithful response to Jesus’ command millennia later) wish us to think that a part of that response (Egyptian respondents) is corrupted? Exclusivity within the exclusivity of Christianity… It makes you wonder.
Sure, there are apostates within every sector of the faith, yet to dismiss one region where the Apostles preached, in favour of another is to deny the power and grace of God as a whole.
the image feels like a shitpost ngl
The video (up to the halfway point anyway) is rather deceptive as the title and thumbnail indicates it is going to give some evidence of a real difference between the two textual sources, but seems to be arguing that there's no real difference between them. If you merely examine the scriptures that are missing, or changed in the Alexandrian codices it DOES matter. At the time that Westcott and Hort were making claims about the Alexandrian texts as being older and thus more trustworthy because they were missing verses that were in the Textus Receptus, they had a point, but since we have discovered evidence that the missing material WAS in the earliest manuscripts, it shows that the Alexandrian texts are not as trustworthy as they were and are made out to be. Since many of the differences in the the source texts DO make an impact on the meaning and doctrine of the translations, and since practically all of the modern English translations are based on those texts; it does make you wonder why you would want a Bible with important missing material and distorted meaning and doctrine -- unless you are trying to bolster your own understanding of the doctrine to make it line up with your theology. As for me, I want a Bible that is as close to the original language texts as possible, since I have neither time, skill, nor inclination to learn ancient Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek.
So I'll stick with the KJV as the best source that I've been able to find, though I still use other versions for comparison in my Bible study. I'll use them, but I don't really trust them other than to help clarify obscurely worded passages and a few conversations, mostly in the Old Testament.
My favorite verse is Job 2:3, where God admits to doing what Satan told him to do, and further admits he causes suffering for no reason. I love it!
Interesting reference, even though a little off topic. Your description gives the impression that Satan came up and told God what to do. Rather Job 1:8 shows us that the Lord actually instigated the entire discussion and course of events. If you read the whole story of Job, you will see God's justice vindicated, that he was not merely protecting Job in order to preserve Job's loyalty, but allowed suffering as a test of his faith. The outcome also provides us another reason, that God wanted to bless Job many times more than before. God doesn't cause suffering for no reason. I hope this helps.
@@KJVFactCheckThe comment above did come admittedly out of left field, but as an unrelated third party i have to wonder, what was the point for Job's children? They were killed so that God could test Job's faith? It doesn't seem reasonable to me, but I'd be very interested to know what the theology behind this is, please don't think I'm coming at this in bad faith
@@benjaminjenkins2384 Job is usually considered Biblical poetry by scholars. It may contain some historical narratives, but the main idea is that God blesses those who trust Him regardless of what events may occur.
@@lilchwis4423 this doesn't actually answer what I wanted to know
@@benjaminjenkins2384 This is a good question to ask. There are a few key points to remember along the way. Death is inevitable for every person, and Job's children were no exemption. They experienced death as we all do as a result of the curse of sin (remember the sins Job was offering for on their behalf 1:5). If we zoom out on this question, "What was the purpose of the suffering and death of Job's children?" we arrive at the bigger questions like, what is the purpose of all suffering and death? Obviously, I'm not going to comprehensively answer these centuries old theological questions in a youtube comment, but hopefully it will spur on further searching in your heart. In the story of Job, we have a small window into the spiritual realm behind the kinds of catastrophes we read about on the news. Satan brought the storms and pirates that killed Job's children, within the sovereign control of God's greater purpose. God does not count the death of his people lightly (Psalm 116:15), but we must recognize that we were not made exclusively for the here and now. For God's people, death is the passageway into eternity, via of redemption (I Corinthians 15:53-58). We are to live this life with a purpose, and that purpose reaches far beyond this life. So for Job's children, we can conclude:
1. That they died justly as the natural consequence of sin with all men.
2. That insofar as they were justified before God, their deaths were not meaningless.
3. The termination of their purpose in the here and now culminated in a greater purpose and glory in the presence of the almighty.
That's as simple as I can make the theological underpinnings of the death of Job's children. I hope that helps.
Isaiah 19 says these three nations will bless all the earth: Egypt MY People, Assyria MY Handiwork, and Israel MY Inheritance.
Never heard of this theory. Seems to make zero sense at first glance. Maybe because I'm from south america and we don't use a English translation.
From what I have heard Robert Breaker say (English and Spanish speaking preacher), the Spanish translations of the Bible are based on the Antioch texts and probably the Latin Vulgate.are good translations, at least the ones that he was referring to. There could be some newer Spanish translations based on the Alexandrian codices, but I can't really say.
The video (up to the halfway point anyway) is rather deceptive as the title and thumbnail indicates it is going to give some evidence of a real difference between the two textual sources, but seems to be arguing that there's no real difference between them. If you merely examine the scriptures that are missing, or changed in the Alexandrian codices it DOES matter. At the time that Westcott and Hort were making claims about the Alexandrian texts as being older and thus more trustworthy because they were missing verses that were in the Textus Receptus, they had a point, but since we have discovered evidence that the missing material WAS in the earliest manuscripts, it shows that the Alexandrian texts are not as trustworthy as they were and are made out to be. Since many of the differences in the the source texts DO make an impact on the meaning and doctrine of the translations, and since practically all of the modern English translations are based on those texts; it does make you wonder why you would want a Bible with important missing material and distorted meaning and doctrine -- unless you are trying to bolster your own understanding of the doctrine to make it line up with your theology. As for me, I want a Bible that is as close to the original language texts as possible, since I have neither time, skill, nor inclination to learn ancient Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek.
So I'll stick with the KJV as the best source that I've been able to find, though I still use other versions for comparison in my Bible study. I'll use them, but I don't really trust them other than to help clarify obscurely worded passages and a few conversations, mostly in the Old Testament.
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you can trust the bible if you want, but don't trust people with bibles :D
Sounds like you have some issues. You really have to keep in mind that Christians, even the best of us, are still people, and thus sinners to the bone. You also need to understand that not everyone who carries, reads, or even believes the Bible is actually a Christian BELIEVER; there's a lot of difference.
However, the main thing I want to mention is that YOU should actually read and STUDY the Bible, and check out a few good teachers to get a better and quicker understanding of what it actually is. Not what it means necessarily, you can get most of that on your own, but what it IS, and most importantly what it is telling you about the (Your) future.
Check Chuck Missler, Les Feldick, and Ken Johnson.
The Bible is the actual Word of God, and if you will give it an honest read, and believe (if only hypothetically) that what it says is TRUE, then it should scare you to life! The Bible is not saying that you have to be a good person, go to church, and not have any fun. (Yeah, it's easy to get that impression) It tells you why we are here, how we got here, what happened, and (more importantly) what is going to happen. Soon.
You really NEED to read the Bible, and then make a decision for or against believing, or rejecting Jesus Christ. It's not only the most important thing that you can possibly do in your life, but it would be a tragic shame to wind up spending eternity in the bad place, just because you didn't want to be bothered to read the instructions. Basically it comes down to this: We are all immortal, we don't have a choice, we ARE eternal, and our life in this world is just a very brief time, but it's the only time we have to make a decision about the main portion of our existence. I was once totally committed against God in general, and Jesus Christ in particular, but I didn't know why, other than I thought that it would take away from what I thought was having a good time. And I really thought it was all a bunch of nonsense made up by ancient priests so that people would give them food and money so they would not have to actually work for it. So I made a bet with a friend that I could show him that the Bible was false. Well, I couldn't do it, it proved to me that I was false, fallen, and headed straight to hell.
So I'll pass it on. Prove to yourself that the Bible is wrong. You can't do it. Thousands of the best minds that have ever lived over thousands of years have tried and FAILED, but you obviously know something that makes you think you can, so give it a try. Just be intellectually honest with yourself. That is, don't lie to yourself about it. Give it a try, I bet you can't do it. Either way, choose wisely!🙏✝️🙏