Has Pep Guardiola invented a new formation?
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Pep Guardiola has invented somewhat of a new formation, that sees his goalkeeper become part of the back line. Confused? JJ Bull explains.
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Turns out Boehly was actually a tactical genius suggesting a 4-4-3 to Tuchel
If only Tuchel had listened
Tuchel even played a 3-4-3 so he knew he needed to stick the keeper in Defense. Boehly masterclass
That man is a genius.
Poor Kane should have joined Chelsea😢
Goddamnit I was about to say the same damn thing. Well done sir
I wouldn’t be surprised if pep thinks two seasons ahead. Use a formation that everyone else will copy and one that he knows he can beat and then create a formation to beat it the season after when everyone else is a season behind. What a tactical genius he is
Goat
So true. He sets the blueprint then beats it. Best manager ever
no actually bayern nagelsmann used tgis formation in his first year at bayern in 2021
@@setho-by8ds no actually bayern nagelsmann used tgis formation in his first year at bayern in 2021
@@psychobuddy17 no actually bayern nagelsmann used tgis formation in his first year at bayern in 2021
Teams have been doing in this for a while now, even the box midfield is not invented or even popularised by Pep, Tuchel used it the season before. Not sure why Pep gets credit for everything
Coz he wins, and I'm sure football fraternity is sad coz amaxing doesn't rate pep
Tuchel didnt use the box midfielder with an defender going into midfield to become th extra defender. Pep took the risk and used his defender as tbe extra midfielder...thats why he gets the credit. You dont know ball than most of the world. If Tuchel made it popular no one would give credit to Pep. You are just a hater!
@@ato-blakussam-acquah1557 sadly you don't know ball either because Pep wasnt the first to give his centre back a free role.
@st_ates_2563 I didn't say free role...I said midfielder I was specific...cry more!
@@ato-blakussam-acquah1557 that's exactly what i was trying to express, and I'd expect a more professional comment from a grown man
managers countering with a 5-2-4🗿
Boehly is a philosophical genuis
Lol
Sampaoli was doing that earlier this year with Flamengo, can't say if it was a succes, but it has been done before, so saying "guardiola invented it" is kinda silly, but well, that's how eurocentrism works
That's AMAZING, imagine how good a keeper must be and how much they must read the game to avoid meltdown if they lose the ball AND the recovery tactics for when this do happen. Imagine how tougher to be a keeper will be in the future as the position becomes more and more similar to the guys who only use their feet (hardest position in the game???).
It's literally Tuchel's Chelsea formation with Stones impersonating Rudiger
I was watching arsenal vs Sheffield United and David Raya did exactly this standing next to Saliba
I’ve seen Liverpool do this with Allison more than city and pep
Pep has been using box midfield since he came in 2017
Which he copied from thiago motta and others
Thiago motta did it years ago as a coach in psg youth team
short answer: no
nagelsmann and thiago motta already tried this first so pep didn’t “created” it, but will surely make it work better and more efficiently
In truth, Inter used that formation against him in the Champions League final, he praised it a lot and has been using it at the start of the season.
Inter used 3-5-2
Pep didn’t introduce the box midfield - he even said himself that he copied De Zerbi
Make sense Ederson has a better passing ability than many pl defenders
Camavinga: Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary!
Pep is always ahead of everyone. When you look for solutions against him, he already moved on to another plan
Ballplayingdefender-keeper. New role at football manager coming soon!
Thiago Motta invented 2-7-2 when he was coaching PSG Youth but noone talked about it 🥺
Finally goalies will see extra action
Our manager uses this format
Happend in The 2.Bundesliga last season and The 3.Bundesliga The year. Would be cool to see an analysis of the team (FC Magdeburg)
Until you realized that a long ball would break the composure
This happened in the womens cup games w sweden and australia
Wait a second... That's from my animes!
I didn’t now this!
So....any time they lose the ball within 70 yds of their own goal....it's any empty net to be hit ?
What are you talking about? It's obvious Pep copied INTER🖤💙 Inzaghi ☝️🤣 just look at it it's a basic 352. Even Conte has been using it for ages goes way back to his Rubentus days. Managers are now looking to Italy for inspiration. ETH tried to make Man U play like INTER🖤💙 just because he now has Onana but it backfire because he still not following 352.
Not exactly a new formation. The WM formation was used the turn of the 20th Century.
Brighton used this before Guardiola did
I think build Up with Goalkeeper Like this Made some another Clubs before Guardiola
Camavinga be in all of them
Finally, a formation that utilized 11 players instead of 10
@mosaabtwice3999and Thiago Motta
@mosaabtwice3999 imo they didn’t execute it as good I they’d hope so
@@kevinbonilla1931He had the unfair advantage of being a Cruyff system player
@@tanamlylol that’s not advantage. That’s his brain. 500 players learned somehow with cryuff. Why only guardolia is best
@@WolfofAsia012 the insight
Maybe we were all too hard on Todd Boehly
I see what you did there
So, it's like an improved version of utilising the sweeper keeper role?
or onana
It is exactly that, and nothing new at all.
... but Pep is doing it so it is amazing.
The term "sweeper" has defensive connotations. This is primarily in buildup play. It's not necessarily new, it's just an adaptation of the old and Pep wasn't necessarily the first to so it within games even recently (Inter last season and Ajax previously), although he's doing it with more frequency.
@@BlackChrishi Ajax and Inter did this because they had Onana and he plays like a ball playing defender and goes up the pich very ofthen.
Pep either saw that and tried to implement it in his team or just came to that conclusion from the problems his team had in the prem.
@@stefankatsarov5806Or he got it from his previous manager stints cause he’s always utilized a ball playing gk
He commonly used this 'formation' against teams whom the head coaches were his 'Students' /worked together i.e: Arteta-Arsenal, Kompany - Burnley, Ten Hag - Man utd (they had a brief stint when Pep was the coach in Bayern)
no actually bayern nagelsmann used this formation in his first year at bayern in 2021
You will soon see formations cease to exist outside of the starting lineup. I’m not kidding.
The concept of total football will become the only way to play, with a few players that are exempted due to either a defensive or attacking role, but still those players will cover a general area. I've seen it already unless the team works like a fine tuned machine then it's no use having a formation.
The formations will never go away. They are still needed structurally to create passing lanes against an opponent. Although, I fully expect players like Harry Kane, to be more common as strength, hold up play and coming back to the ball to help facilitate the team as a whole becomes much more common.
it's already kind of like that. pretty much every team has a different formation when theyre in or out of possession. the roles players have and where they can go on the pitch are oversimplified into a formation
They already are to be honest
That's already more or less what we're seeing in basketball, in terms of the traditional positions.
Pep once buttered his bread, mindboggling stuff from the tactical genius.
no actually bayern nagelsmann used tgis formation in his first year at bayern in 2021
Yeah, 4-2-5 is indeed a new and revolutionary formation that no one has the answer to counter 🧐
Tbh, futsal has the way to use goalie in a match
Have your keeper press theirs. All the way up the pitch, you've heard of "sweeper keeper" now get ready for "No keeper"
And also commenting to yourself
@@yakisoba9377can't wait for the revolutionary no keeper vs double keeper tactic
@@TheS1lentX and the offensive goalkeeper striker hybrid !
This guy replied to himself lmao
Rene Higuita would be perfect for this system.
Pep is a student of the game, like all of us are right now. He can't invent anything because they already invented this stuff long ago. Fillol, the Argentine keeper from 1978 WC, played like this. Even the Dutch Keeper from the World cups of 74 and 78 was used so except they used the backpass a lot in those days.
No one invents anything. We all stand on the shoulders of giants
Dutch keeper is Jan Jongbloed
@@hoi-bm4lv I know, I just could not spell his name from the top of my head.
Thank you. Thank you for saying this
I feel like Pep will advance so much in tactic's he'll eventually just cycle back to playing a 1-1-8 like in the 1800s
No he just copies tactics then tweaks them and then uses the billions he has to buy everyone not the goat
@@echo5935 ...yeah bro, that's the job of a manager lmao, to change tactics and win matches. And it isn't about spending billions, cause if it was, then Chelsea would always win the Premier League and PSG would've had a UCL at this point. Keep coping.
It's not really a new formation, it's just a tweak to the pre-existing formation that he gets to make because his goalkeeper is good enough on the ball to allow him to. I see it more as reintroducing the libero of catenaccio by making the goalkeeper the extra libero defender in line with the 3 central defenders. I wouldn't call it a truly "new" formation since it still uses the W-M base formation but has an added temporary tweak in possession if pressed. For example in a 433 if the pivot drops between the centre backs and the fullbacks go high and wide, you wouldn't say he's now playing a 343, because it's only a transitional state rather than the base shape.
I first used this formation in FIFA 19. Pep stole my whole flow and won a Champions League with it🥶 i want my royalties.
That's not an achievement pal
suddenly Pep made 11v11 football match an 11v11 futsal game
It's 2027 and a 34 year old Ederson is the league's top goalscorer with Pep's revolutionary tactics of using the keeper as a shadow striker.
Didn't Thiago Motta start this?
By "this" I mean using the goalkeeper as an outfield player.
I remember seeing it used by him for the PSG reserve team if I'm not mistaken.
nah, hes the best so its gotta be him who started this first 😌😌
@@XNAGPjoking i see
well if you think about it it's kinda ridiculous that we still have mostly stationary goalies, after all the evolution of the game until now. it takes balls to try tho, since it can obvioustly compromise your defensive abilities if the goalie is not a good enough outfield player
If not that it didn't quite work for Graham Potter, that's the more reason this credit is being given to Pep Guardiola. Potter was the first prem manager to do crazy experiments like this with his goalkeepers. The main reason that saw the downfall of Edu Mendy. His attackers just couldn't score to save their own lives
Except it isn't new, nor is it his invention...
Everytime Guardiola farts it's an innovation it seems.
Everyone didn't copy it. Pep copied Xavi as he used it first. See his tactical video that he himself made for Qatar team.
Actually that's inders innovation with Onnana and united I already starting to apply the same anti press strategy
I love Pep but we greatly exaggerate his tactical innovations.
I agree. Every team he has managed was stacked with world class talent.
Ikr next season they'll be writing equations and formulas to explain his tactics
watch football and maybe you'll appreciate him more
@@ilaideeznuts7488he just copies tactics and tweaks them then uses the billions he has and buys everyone not the goat
@@echo5935 doesn't matter who did it first, it's who does it better, kiddo.
ETH tries to copy and it works against him, mans been found out
4-2-5? Pep is playing American football 😂
4 2 5… I think the return of Juanma has a pivotal impact on how city will play this season
Guardiola did NOT invent Manuel Neuer...
Pep didn't invent it
When explained, this is actually the best formation in football history.
How long till the keeper gets lobbed...
Remember, pep tried to play Neuer as an outfield player
Whatever Guardiola does, the best teams try to copy him. And when they copy him. He makes another blueprint. He is unmatched.
Uh no
More like he copies others and improvised it
Very different
@@sorryminati4719 he didn't say pep created it, read it again
@@sorryminati4719im sure he is copying others, but he is always adapting. Doesnt stick to only one plan.
no actually bayern nagelsmann used tgis formation in his first year at bayern in 2021
This is what Ange was doing at Celtic last year
Todd Boehly looking at this going like "YOU ALL LAUGHED AT ME, WELL YOU NOT LAUGHING NOW ARE YOU?". 😂
Playing goalie as an outfielder you are definitely creating a lot of chances for the opponent but heck, what do I know. It's Pep for Christ sake...
If Pep had Onana we'd see this played to it's max. He did have Neuer but he was never leaving Bayern
This tactic would work great with Neuer
I think RDZ(BRIGHTON) did that against MANCHESTER UNITED second leg in the second half when they couldn't progress the ball properly
How did Guardiola invent the 3-4-3 box midfield last year, when Tuchel beat Guardiola in the UCL final with a 3-4-3 box midfield of Jorginho Kante Mount and Havertz.
Lord. New formation? His paying 100 MM for Lucas Paqueta and he will keep buying and buying players. Never ending Money for Pep.
Xavi was the one who introduced the box midfield out of necessity due to a lack of a RB, not Pep
Well no. Go back 70 years and you’ll find that 5 attackers was considerably short of attacking options. Slowly, the number was reduced in favour of more balanced approaches, and covering area across the pitch with the ever popular and versatile 4-4-2 formation.
We all knew that Ederson was secretly a midfielder anyway so it's no surprise 😂😂
Nice shirt, mate! Barcelona gave the world the greatest football of all time and the greatest manager of all time. 🔴🔵
You should start watching games from 1.fc Magdeburg in Germany's 2nd Division. Under Titz they already play like this since 2021.
Don't get me wrong pep is a great coach but this is not his creation, probably neither the one of Titz, but I hope you get my point.
He didn't introduce the box midfield... Brighton were playing it before city.
Probably some teams outside England as well, that I'm not aware of.
Your talking as if current football isn’t ALL ABOUT HAVING CREATIVE GK’s! Look at de gea, golden glove yet turfed out because he can’t line up passes
many Bundesliga Teams have been involving their GKs in 1st phase for over 5 years now. NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN
Bro I played this formation last 3yrs on my fifa, fm and sm games, even played the 2-3-2-2 formation in my fam with Bayern last two years in my football manager, I carried 4 buli titles and one champions league because Madrid and Atleti were always beating me tactically 😂😂
Aswrdwn
Guardiola just manifested it but am sure there are some gamers here that love to create new things that invented it
After all the first coach to play that 2 formation and 3-2-5 was Thiago motta, it didn’t work for him in Italian football because the players he had don’t even know about the formation
Honestly, I feel like Pickford played this in the game against Sheffield. Not as crazy as this though, but still almost like a 5th man in defence even though it was a 4-2-3-1
LOL Guardiola just copies Tim Walter from the HSV 2.nd Devision.
Tim Walter does this already over 2 years.
The tactict is even named after him
Neuer would love this formation 💀
Yea
stop this man
Reporter: Pep why are you playing with no goalkeeper?
Pep: of course we always look for solutions, we believe Eddy has the quality to make the assists playing further forward…
The box midfield was invented 100 years ago by Arsenal’s Herbert Chapman. We used to call it the WM.
Ajax and Inter both did it with Onana before Pep; but like I said in a previous Tifo video, in football kayfabe Pep invents everything.
Too risky, Ederson had plenty of times when he moved forward too far and got long shots. I say any two CF formation with converted wingers and play defensive mind can give 3-2-4-1 a hard time.
"introduced" box midfield?? what about the 1-4-2-2-2 formation a lot of teams have used around the world? Don't create mud idols
It sounds more like di Stefano to me than Messi, Messi was labelled as a forward rather than a midfielder (although maybe that's because throughout Messi's career, the 10 position wasn't as common as it's becoming now)
In reality Ederson doesn’t actually push up that high very often. I’ve seen raya do this at arsenal a few times this season as well but it’s very rare. It’s just too risky to constantly move your keeper into that position regardless of how good they are in possession. I highly doubt this will become a long term thing, I mean as I said Ederson and raya barely even ever do it now lmao
Funny thing is Thiago Motta did this I 2016-2017 I'm pretty sure, but did have such player's
Cant wait for Pep to play Ederson as a Sweeper Box-to-Box milfielder keeper
Ederson unlocked Manuel Neuer mode what the hell
Has pep guardiola ever managed a team with no money, no he hasn't so he can't prove himself as a good manager
No he didnt invent the 3 & box midfield Xavi was playing it as Al Sad already & De Zerbi played it 1st in the premier league. So he didn't invent the box midfield.
so..sweeper keeper, 2 wide centre back, 2 wing back, 2 DM or 2 MC B2B/BWM, 2 winger, 1 striker.. interesting
4-2-5 formation, literally the goalkeeper playing outfield in possession is before GTA 6😭
Gk's will be training as both an outfield and a goalkeeper now.
Make the GK play sweeper, DM, no.10 & no.9 ....& take the long throw-ins....😂
I can't wait for future tactics to actually start utilizing the goalkeeper properly in an 11v11 instead of just letting them be sweeper keepers.
4-2-5 I was playing that on FIFA career mode about 15 years ago when I spent all my budget on forwards