I love my City Pro. I set up the new app today and the regen setting reset to 8. The app says "a higher regen setting will recharge the battery less". I like strong regen so I won't rely on the drum brakes, but what is the optimal setting for the most possible battery power regeneration?
Hello there, my régent brave dose not Côme back by itself, I do have to pull it back up after using it. Please tell me what I need to do to correct that problem please?
Yes I do have a question. Can I get for once a clear answer why some people believe that regen breaks causing some kind of damage to controller of your scooter or I don't know, engine? Using regen breaks on 3rd out of 5 setting on my Vsett 10+ for 2nd year now and seems all good. Saved my ass a couple of times actually!
I was already building my own project, when the subject of regen caught my attention. Thankfully I hadn't decided which controller I would purchase. Do you have a video that discusses this issue, or perhaps some direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
I saw on a pundit's video on the Apollo Pro, that if you have Regen set to 10 (max), and you apply the front drum brake, that the lever being squeezed ALSO triggers Regen braking. Is this true, or are both drum brakes autonomous? When I squeeze either the front or rear brake levers, is Regen involved at all? My understanding is that it is NOT.
I like the shape of your head. Anyway, I have a question. I have a NiU KQI3 Max. What setting would you recommend for regen braking? Min, medium or max?
I have a question. I really like how inovative are Apollo scooters but there is 1 thing stopping me from buying. Why don't Apollo offers higher capacity batteries? Lets look at Phantom V2. Highest battery configuration is 60V 21 Ah (1260Wh) Vsett 10+ offers 60V 28Ah (1680Wh) Then there is Teverun Fighter 11+ ( Minimotors collab) which offers 60V 35Ah (2100Wh) And lastly there is Bluetran Lightning. Also from Minimotors a 10 inch scooter with 72V 35Ah battery (2520Wh) It's hard to justify buying Apollo when others offer drastically larger batteries. I don't wanna use my scooter only for commuting but also for trips without having range anxiety.
Hi Martin, We definitely understand your concern and battery capacity is one of the factors we do consider when developing a scooter. While we are always looking to give our customers as many features as possible, we do have to find a balance between performance, tech (quality of life features), and cost when designing a scooter. Additionally, we've found that the average trip is only about 10 km, so the current range of our models is more than enough for most users. We do appreciate your feedback and our product development team definitely keeps the community's suggestions in mind as they design upcoming models. As an example, our upcoming 2023 Apollo Pro will come with a max range of 100 km! We hope this clears things up, and please keep the feedback coming! Thanks! :)
Hey Martin, after reading yours and Apollo scooter comments. During the summer I took my city pro out for rides and max out the range (99% it's regain baking. 1 accelerating, 1 regain breaking.) Spend a good 3.5 hours on the road, bike paths, and sometimes side walks. Travel up to 50-70km in 20-50 km/h. At first I wanted the Apollo pro too. After considering the weight of the scooter. City pro, it's a good balance for me. I use the scooter for joy rides in fall and summer. Oh fyi, if you want more range. Bring the faster changer. I took into Starbucks, at the time they seemed cool if I just camp there for an hour with purchase goods. After a hour, I think I got a good up to 50% charge. Just be careful, the power bank gets very very hot. I only use the faster charger in travel more than 60 km or more than 3 hours on the road for long term. All and all, if you can pick up the city pro without issue (unlike me). You'll be pleased as I did with my pre-order. Ps safety it's very important (please wear full body armour. It's very dangerous sport.)
What would really make this ultra cool would be if there was a way to adjust the deadzones in the brake levers. So after you adjust your calipers, you could then open the app and adjust it so the Regen brake starts and ramps up within the travel of the lever.
I grew up riding motorcycles of all kinds. Starting riding when I was 10, owned many different brands & types. After you get to know a bike, you discover the best ways to brake. I like using both brakes to stop, and when I need to stop faster, I'll rely on the front brake for most of that intensity since it won't lock up as easily as the rear brake. With Regen, is the braking handled by BOTH front & rear motors? Does the M1 analyze anything other than the '3 wires', or will it permit lock up of the back wheel? I've got a '22 Ghost, have its regen set to max (5) & I still go through brake pads every month or so. Regen in the Ghost kicks in but just lets the regular brakes take over after an initial pull. I ordered a '23 Phantom (to be shipped soon), so regen is one thing but motor braking is another. I prefer aggressive braking (or at least to have the option), I just don't want regen to lock up my back wheel while ignoring the more effective front wheel braking. Thank you! Oh, and kudos for the Apollo Pro. Nice to see focus on making it a true scooter of the future rather than the unregulated attempted murder that is the e-scootering industry's race to propel teenagers past 200km/h on 50kg planks. 100km range is a huge accomplishment. 100km/h is another thing altogether.
In RG's review they said that the regen won't lock up your back wheel. Their favorite combination for fast braking was to push the regen brake and front brake simultaneously. This is both ergonomically efficient, and it prevents your back tire from skidding out from under you. As always be sure to lean back when braking hard.
The regen can lock up your wheel, especially with regen set to max & on dry pavement. It's not bad, in fact in the last 400kms I've put on it, I've only used the standard brakes once. The standard brakes are just awful, just as they were on the Ghost - but they're only on stand-by for me now. The squeaky, scraping mess that are standard brakes on the Apollo Ghost & Phantom are insanely bad. Still, I'd like them to improve the disastrous app first. I'd pay $300 more to have a standard ignition key rather than the "get your phone out, unlock it, open the app, re-connect to the bike, tap Ride" nuisance. If you leave the Apollo app running after turning off the scooter, your battery will drain like it's on actual fire. Apollo really should have thought this through. They seem to have hired some teenager, like the child of someone they owe money to, for Android dev.@@BruceWayne15325
Hey Chris I just got off a 2 1/2 month business trip from ItalyI got home I never received my 160 disc brake and paid already for it I went to the post office it’s not there I tracked it it’s not showing up what do I do because I already paid for the disc which is the 160 disc break Are use my phantom for commuting back-and-forth the majority of the time when I’m here in the city but can’t because my disc brake has not seem to arrive yet
Hi Iron Hood, We're sorry to hear about your issue and we're here to help. Please contact our support team at support@apolloscooters.co and one of our agents will be glad to help. Most couriers will only hold your package for a maximum of 7 days, so the courier might have sent the package back to the sender if it was not picked up for 2 1/2 months.
Might as well get the city 2022. It's not that much more money compared to the air. Plus if someone who does complained about spending too much money. Why even look into this topic? Just spend that money and pay off your bills or put in your life, earn more money. So you'll have more disposable income. Even if you buy the scooter. Still got to get equipment like body armor and other things for maintenance. It's a real dangerous sport/transportation. But hey, you do you.
@mooncake8254 I never said anything about money. I don't want the city because i need something that's portable to take on the subway. I have the unagi model one, and I'm looking to switch because I want better tires. So I hope that's clear for everyone who would like to give their input.
Thx for the video, but how does it not hurt the battery? I mean, 2x800w motor demand 1600w at full power right? So if I brake to the maximum, going 50km/h to 0 in few second, I will have maybe minus 1600w as well right? Going in the battery in few sec? Whereas the chargers are only 150w or so... Isn't it killing the battery?
Hi Nicolas, Thanks for your question! The Battery Management System (BMS) will ensure that the current/power going back into the battery does not exceed the maximum safe amount. As for the excess energy, it will be converted into heat. Additionally, the charger only charges at 150W since the power is being transferred over a long period of time. The regen is able to transfer a higher amount of power since its only for a short time duration. This will not be close to the 1600w mentioned but higher than 150w. We hope this answers your questions! Have a good day :)
Hi Scarrus, The regen brake is quite effective, although you will need to press it a little bit earlier than the mechanical brake. If you need to stop immediately, you can always use the mechanical brakes. Please note that using the mechanical brakes will also activate the regen braking system as well :)
May be a dumb question, but I just bought a Ghost 2022 and cannot find a definitive answer on whether it has regen braking. Does it? Also, if it does have it, I see in the P settings that setting 11 changes the Regen setting. What effect does this actually have?
Hi Wade, The Ghost 2022 does have regen braking that also kicks in when you press the mechanical brakes. While scooters with dedicated regen throttles (City 2022, Phantom V3, Air 2022) can use regen braking exclusively, the Ghost uses a combination of regen + mechanical brakes.
@@ApolloScooters Ahhh I see. Good to know. Thanks for the reply. Does the P11 setting change the amount of regen you get, with the trade off being a more abrupt braking force? Is there a big difference between 1-5? Lastly, do you have a recommended regen number for P11?
@@ApolloScooters Now that the Go has been released, can you tell us if pulling the mechanical brake lever on the Go also does a combination of mechanical and regen braking?
@ApolloScooters how is this possible? When you're pushing down on the brakes, you'll have to orientate your thumb to push down on the region throttle because that's not breaking the scooter. Doesn't sound safe.
@@Funkiyy There are 3 ways you can brake. You can use only the regen thumb brake, which is fine for non-emergency stops. If you need to stop quickly then the fastest way to stop is a combination of regen braking and hand brake. You press the regen brake with your left hand and pull the front brake handle with your right hand. Nothing is preventing you from using both hand brakes though if you prefer that, just realize it won't stop you as fast.
The weakest regen setting is still too strong in my opinion. I actually wish it was more like an EV or tesla where the throttle lift is the regen, so we dont have to fiddle around with another lever.
Please fix ur firmware and app. I have an Air 2022, I have to re pair every time I want to do any function of the app, also please let me set the top speed higher and/or allow some kind of overspeed control, whenever I am going down a hill and it goes over 35 (throttle on) the braking engages and it goes back to 30.... very annoying . The braking setting appears not be linear. Sports mode should allow continuous power output without sampling speed etc... leave that for the noob modes please. Other than those small gripes they are great scooters, the whole world should own one.
I love my City Pro. I set up the new app today and the regen setting reset to 8. The app says "a higher regen setting will recharge the battery less".
I like strong regen so I won't rely on the drum brakes, but what is the optimal setting for the most possible battery power regeneration?
Always looking forward to Your videos
Learned a lot. Good video!!
Hello there, my régent brave dose not Côme back by itself, I do have to pull it back up after using it. Please tell me what I need to do to correct that problem please?
Yes I do have a question. Can I get for once a clear answer why some people believe that regen breaks causing some kind of damage to controller of your scooter or I don't know, engine? Using regen breaks on 3rd out of 5 setting on my Vsett 10+ for 2nd year now and seems all good. Saved my ass a couple of times actually!
I was already building my own project, when the subject of regen caught my attention. Thankfully I hadn't decided which controller I would purchase. Do you have a video that discusses this issue, or perhaps some direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Brilliant! Wife and I both love ours.
I saw on a pundit's video on the Apollo Pro, that if you have Regen set to 10 (max), and you apply the front drum brake, that the lever being squeezed ALSO triggers Regen braking. Is this true, or are both drum brakes autonomous? When I squeeze either the front or rear brake levers, is Regen involved at all? My understanding is that it is NOT.
does regenerative breaking counts as a battery charge cycle and exhaust from the total cycles of Lithium battery?
I like the shape of your head. Anyway, I have a question. I have a NiU KQI3 Max. What setting would you recommend for regen braking? Min, medium or max?
I have a question. I really like how inovative are Apollo scooters but there is 1 thing stopping me from buying. Why don't Apollo offers higher capacity batteries?
Lets look at Phantom V2. Highest battery configuration is 60V 21 Ah (1260Wh)
Vsett 10+ offers 60V 28Ah (1680Wh)
Then there is Teverun Fighter 11+ ( Minimotors collab) which offers 60V 35Ah (2100Wh)
And lastly there is Bluetran Lightning. Also from Minimotors a 10 inch scooter with 72V 35Ah battery (2520Wh)
It's hard to justify buying Apollo when others offer drastically larger batteries. I don't wanna use my scooter only for commuting but also for trips without having range anxiety.
Hi Martin,
We definitely understand your concern and battery capacity is one of the factors we do consider when developing a scooter.
While we are always looking to give our customers as many features as possible, we do have to find a balance between performance, tech (quality of life features), and cost when designing a scooter. Additionally, we've found that the average trip is only about 10 km, so the current range of our models is more than enough for most users.
We do appreciate your feedback and our product development team definitely keeps the community's suggestions in mind as they design upcoming models. As an example, our upcoming 2023 Apollo Pro will come with a max range of 100 km!
We hope this clears things up, and please keep the feedback coming! Thanks! :)
Hey Martin, after reading yours and Apollo scooter comments. During the summer I took my city pro out for rides and max out the range (99% it's regain baking. 1 accelerating, 1 regain breaking.) Spend a good 3.5 hours on the road, bike paths, and sometimes side walks. Travel up to 50-70km in 20-50 km/h.
At first I wanted the Apollo pro too. After considering the weight of the scooter. City pro, it's a good balance for me. I use the scooter for joy rides in fall and summer.
Oh fyi, if you want more range. Bring the faster changer. I took into Starbucks, at the time they seemed cool if I just camp there for an hour with purchase goods. After a hour, I think I got a good up to 50% charge. Just be careful, the power bank gets very very hot. I only use the faster charger in travel more than 60 km or more than 3 hours on the road for long term.
All and all, if you can pick up the city pro without issue (unlike me). You'll be pleased as I did with my pre-order.
Ps safety it's very important (please wear full body armour. It's very dangerous sport.)
your vsett will cost you 600$ + more though.
@@sergiolandz6056 I bought Teverun Fighter 11+ for 2180€.
What would really make this ultra cool would be if there was a way to adjust the deadzones in the brake levers. So after you adjust your calipers, you could then open the app and adjust it so the Regen brake starts and ramps up within the travel of the lever.
Cheers Eloi, much appreciated mate
I grew up riding motorcycles of all kinds. Starting riding when I was 10, owned many different brands & types. After you get to know a bike, you discover the best ways to brake. I like using both brakes to stop, and when I need to stop faster, I'll rely on the front brake for most of that intensity since it won't lock up as easily as the rear brake.
With Regen, is the braking handled by BOTH front & rear motors? Does the M1 analyze anything other than the '3 wires', or will it permit lock up of the back wheel?
I've got a '22 Ghost, have its regen set to max (5) & I still go through brake pads every month or so. Regen in the Ghost kicks in but just lets the regular brakes take over after an initial pull. I ordered a '23 Phantom (to be shipped soon), so regen is one thing but motor braking is another. I prefer aggressive braking (or at least to have the option), I just don't want regen to lock up my back wheel while ignoring the more effective front wheel braking.
Thank you!
Oh, and kudos for the Apollo Pro. Nice to see focus on making it a true scooter of the future rather than the unregulated attempted murder that is the e-scootering industry's race to propel teenagers past 200km/h on 50kg planks. 100km range is a huge accomplishment. 100km/h is another thing altogether.
In RG's review they said that the regen won't lock up your back wheel. Their favorite combination for fast braking was to push the regen brake and front brake simultaneously. This is both ergonomically efficient, and it prevents your back tire from skidding out from under you. As always be sure to lean back when braking hard.
The regen can lock up your wheel, especially with regen set to max & on dry pavement. It's not bad, in fact in the last 400kms I've put on it, I've only used the standard brakes once. The standard brakes are just awful, just as they were on the Ghost - but they're only on stand-by for me now. The squeaky, scraping mess that are standard brakes on the Apollo Ghost & Phantom are insanely bad.
Still, I'd like them to improve the disastrous app first. I'd pay $300 more to have a standard ignition key rather than the "get your phone out, unlock it, open the app, re-connect to the bike, tap Ride" nuisance. If you leave the Apollo app running after turning off the scooter, your battery will drain like it's on actual fire. Apollo really should have thought this through. They seem to have hired some teenager, like the child of someone they owe money to, for Android dev.@@BruceWayne15325
Valuable information in video
Can’t wait for the Pro V5 video 🔥😅
Great video, thanks for explaining this!
Is the Apollo ghost any good ?
Does Apollo Ghost have regen brake?
Question: are you perhaps gonna release a Apollo Explorer scooter?
Or perhaps you gonna cancel the lane up all together.
@Moon Cake The brand new Apollo Explore will be revealed this year so stay tuned! We can't wait for y'all to see it! :)
Hey Chris I just got off a 2 1/2 month business trip from ItalyI got home I never received my 160 disc brake and paid already for it I went to the post office it’s not there I tracked it it’s not showing up what do I do because I already paid for the disc which is the 160 disc break Are use my phantom for commuting back-and-forth the majority of the time when I’m here in the city but can’t because my disc brake has not seem to arrive yet
Hi Iron Hood,
We're sorry to hear about your issue and we're here to help. Please contact our support team at support@apolloscooters.co and one of our agents will be glad to help.
Most couriers will only hold your package for a maximum of 7 days, so the courier might have sent the package back to the sender if it was not picked up for 2 1/2 months.
Hello! I was looking into purchasing the air 2022, but I'm not seeing much on it. Can you guys do a more detailed video on it? Please and thank you.
GET THE CITY 2021 the air 2022 is a little bit of a ripoff compared to it
Might as well get the city 2022. It's not that much more money compared to the air. Plus if someone who does complained about spending too much money. Why even look into this topic? Just spend that money and pay off your bills or put in your life, earn more money. So you'll have more disposable income.
Even if you buy the scooter. Still got to get equipment like body armor and other things for maintenance. It's a real dangerous sport/transportation. But hey, you do you.
@mooncake8254 I never said anything about money. I don't want the city because i need something that's portable to take on the subway. I have the unagi model one, and I'm looking to switch because I want better tires. So I hope that's clear for everyone who would like to give their input.
@@theboagarden city 2021 is more compact than the air 2022
@dr.doctor587 ok, thanks
Thx for the video, but how does it not hurt the battery? I mean, 2x800w motor demand 1600w at full power right? So if I brake to the maximum, going 50km/h to 0 in few second, I will have maybe minus 1600w as well right? Going in the battery in few sec? Whereas the chargers are only 150w or so... Isn't it killing the battery?
Hi Nicolas,
Thanks for your question! The Battery Management System (BMS) will ensure that the current/power going back into the battery does not exceed the maximum safe amount. As for the excess energy, it will be converted into heat.
Additionally, the charger only charges at 150W since the power is being transferred over a long period of time. The regen is able to transfer a higher amount of power since its only for a short time duration. This will not be close to the 1600w mentioned but higher than 150w.
We hope this answers your questions! Have a good day :)
@@ApolloScooters thx a lot for your answer! It helped me a lot 🙏
No problem! :)
how effective is the regen brake? can I use it even if I'm going downhill on a 25% slope or more?
Hi Scarrus,
The regen brake is quite effective, although you will need to press it a little bit earlier than the mechanical brake. If you need to stop immediately, you can always use the mechanical brakes. Please note that using the mechanical brakes will also activate the regen braking system as well :)
@@ApolloScooters nice! Thanks for the info!
May be a dumb question, but I just bought a Ghost 2022 and cannot find a definitive answer on whether it has regen braking. Does it? Also, if it does have it, I see in the P settings that setting 11 changes the Regen setting. What effect does this actually have?
Hi Wade,
The Ghost 2022 does have regen braking that also kicks in when you press the mechanical brakes. While scooters with dedicated regen throttles (City 2022, Phantom V3, Air 2022) can use regen braking exclusively, the Ghost uses a combination of regen + mechanical brakes.
@@ApolloScooters Ahhh I see. Good to know. Thanks for the reply. Does the P11 setting change the amount of regen you get, with the trade off being a more abrupt braking force? Is there a big difference between 1-5? Lastly, do you have a recommended regen number for P11?
Hi Wade,
Yes, the P11 settings will change the electronic braking (regen) that you get. We recommend setting it to 2 or 3 :)
@@ApolloScooters Ok great. Thanks again for the replies!
@@ApolloScooters Now that the Go has been released, can you tell us if pulling the mechanical brake lever on the Go also does a combination of mechanical and regen braking?
Is the region always on or do you have to push down the lever at the same time you're breaking?
Hey there,
Regen braking is only activated once you push on the dedicated regen brake throttle!
@ApolloScooters how is this possible? When you're pushing down on the brakes, you'll have to orientate your thumb to push down on the region throttle because that's not breaking the scooter. Doesn't sound safe.
@@Funkiyy There are 3 ways you can brake. You can use only the regen thumb brake, which is fine for non-emergency stops. If you need to stop quickly then the fastest way to stop is a combination of regen braking and hand brake. You press the regen brake with your left hand and pull the front brake handle with your right hand. Nothing is preventing you from using both hand brakes though if you prefer that, just realize it won't stop you as fast.
I love the Phantom V3 upgrade kit regen. It does take little time to customize but it's really nice. Thanks!😁
Did you install it yourself or have some professional help?
If you did, done it yourself. How long of the project did it took you to do?
@@RoyalTeaLegion I did it myself. It was pretty straightforward. They have two videos that walk you through it.
@@RoyalTeaLegion It took less than a hour. I watched the videos as I did it. Most of the wires you cannot confuse or connect wrong.
The weakest regen setting is still too strong in my opinion. I actually wish it was more like an EV or tesla where the throttle lift is the regen, so we dont have to fiddle around with another lever.
Please fix ur firmware and app. I have an Air 2022, I have to re pair every time I want to do any function of the app, also please let me set the top speed higher and/or allow some kind of overspeed control, whenever I am going down a hill and it goes over 35 (throttle on) the braking engages and it goes back to 30.... very annoying . The braking setting appears not be linear. Sports mode should allow continuous power output without sampling speed etc... leave that for the noob modes please. Other than those small gripes they are great scooters, the whole world should own one.
I looking to get my son 1.
First to comment. Woooooo again. Haha