Merthyr is where Trephithics engine was working a long time before Stephenson built Rocket. Rocket was famous as the design, so good all locomotives since have followed its basic design.
paul jenkins is wright , but colbrookdale also has a claim for this title Of course railways are much older,exemplified by there use on mines goes back hundreds of years GS was an improover of other peoples idiasas was Trevithic
Within the first two minutes you are completely wrong. You acknowledge that muscle powered railways were in use before Stephenson came of age. The first steam powered vehicle was developed by Frenchman Nicholas Joseph Cugnot in 1769. In 1789 William Murdoch, while working for Boulton & Watt, developed ideas for a steam carriage and built a model. Cornishman Richard Trevithick developed self-propelled road vehicles in the late 18th/early 19th century and there were steam carriages operating on the turnpike roads. In 1803/4 Trevithicks first railway locomotive was built by the Coalbrookdale Company in Shropshire and conducted trials on the Penydarren tramway near Mertyr Tydfil, South Wales. Over the next twenty years or so there were a number of mine operators who used steam locomotives on their internal railways until Stephenson designed and built Locomotion No1 for the Stockton & Darlington Railway in 1825.
@@MrCHistorywalks The mine owners were running railways for commercial purposes, moving coal. The S&DR was the first railway to carry goods and passengers which were not owned by the railway's owners, ie, the first public railway. To the question, "Where did the railways begin", the answer is not "Between Stockton and Darlington". Rail ways, steam locomotives and the vehicles they pull are the technology and, as said, widely used for many years before the S&DR.
Sorry Mr C History you are incorrect. Before Stockton to Darlington (1822) and before Manchester to Liverpool (1830) there was the Leeds Middleton Railway in 1812. It was also the first railway to be mandated by an act of parliament in 1757. It became the first commercial railway to use steam locomotives successfully using twin-cylinder steam locomotives, built by Matthew Murray in Holbeck, successfully replacing horses for hauling coal wagons on the edge railed, rack and pinion Middleton Railway from Middleton colliery to Leeds. Also the first member of the public to be killed by a locomotive almost certainly occurred on the Middleton Railway; a 13-year-old boy named John Bruce was killed in February 1813 whilst running alongside the tracks and not William Huskisson in 1830. To all you Trevithick supporters - Yes, the world’s first locomotive-hauled railway journey took place on 21 February 1804 by Trevithick’s unnamed steam locomotive which hauled a train along the tramway of the Penydarren Ironworks, in Merthyr Tydfil, Wales but it only made 8 runs(?) as there were too many practical problems to overcome so it was really only a demonstration/ proof of concept. The other contender for first loco was Puffing Billy at Newcastle and was used to haul coal chaldron wagons from the mine at Wylam to the docks at Lemington in Northumberland but that was 1814.
Yes - absolutely agree with you on Huskisson! He deffo was not the first death - just the first member of the government to die. I think George Stephenson and the Stockton to Darlington railway have an excellent marketing department!
I don't think George Stevenson actually "invented" the steam locomotive. Richard Trevithick built some steam locomotives some years earlier, and I am pretty sure there were a couple of other innovators before Stevenson got to it. In fact didn't Stevenson "improve" steam locos that were bought for Wylam Colliery before he developed his own? However, I accept the G.S. made the steam loco a viable working machine, and had the vision to build functional railway lines. Nice video.
@@MrCHistorywalks An interesting question would be - what was the first railway to take paying passengers? Were there any before the Stockton and Darlington? You mentioned Surrey Iron Road but did it take paying passengers? Did any of these other waggonways/ tramways?
Merthyr is where Trephithics engine was working a long time before Stephenson built Rocket. Rocket was famous as the design, so good all locomotives since have followed its basic design.
Yes absolutely- another contender for the birthplace of the railways
paul jenkins is wright , but colbrookdale also has a claim for this title Of course railways are much older,exemplified by there use on mines goes back hundreds of years GS was an improover of other peoples idiasas was Trevithic
Within the first two minutes you are completely wrong. You acknowledge that muscle powered railways were in use before Stephenson came of age. The first steam powered vehicle was developed by Frenchman Nicholas Joseph Cugnot in 1769. In 1789 William Murdoch, while working for Boulton & Watt, developed ideas for a steam carriage and built a model. Cornishman Richard Trevithick developed self-propelled road vehicles in the late 18th/early 19th century and there were steam carriages operating on the turnpike roads. In 1803/4 Trevithicks first railway locomotive was built by the Coalbrookdale Company in Shropshire and conducted trials on the Penydarren tramway near Mertyr Tydfil, South Wales. Over the next twenty years or so there were a number of mine operators who used steam locomotives on their internal railways until Stephenson designed and built Locomotion No1 for the Stockton & Darlington Railway in 1825.
This is all true. But who built the first locomotive that actually worked well enough to launch a commercial railway?
@@MrCHistorywalks The mine owners were running railways for commercial purposes, moving coal. The S&DR was the first railway to carry goods and passengers which were not owned by the railway's owners, ie, the first public railway. To the question, "Where did the railways begin", the answer is not "Between Stockton and Darlington". Rail ways, steam locomotives and the vehicles they pull are the technology and, as said, widely used for many years before the S&DR.
@@RogersRamblings why do you think George Stephenson gets all the credit/fame? Is it just good marketing on his behalf?
Sorry Mr C History you are incorrect. Before Stockton to Darlington (1822) and before Manchester to Liverpool (1830) there was the Leeds Middleton Railway in 1812. It was also the first railway to be mandated by an act of parliament in 1757. It became the first commercial railway to use steam locomotives successfully using twin-cylinder steam locomotives, built by Matthew Murray in Holbeck, successfully replacing horses for hauling coal wagons on the edge railed, rack and pinion Middleton Railway from Middleton colliery to Leeds. Also the first member of the public to be killed by a locomotive almost certainly occurred on the Middleton Railway; a 13-year-old boy named John Bruce was killed in February 1813 whilst running alongside the tracks and not William Huskisson in 1830. To all you Trevithick supporters - Yes, the world’s first locomotive-hauled railway journey took place on 21 February 1804 by Trevithick’s unnamed steam locomotive which hauled a train along the tramway of the Penydarren Ironworks, in Merthyr Tydfil, Wales but it only made 8 runs(?) as there were too many practical problems to overcome so it was really only a demonstration/ proof of concept. The other contender for first loco was Puffing Billy at Newcastle and was used to haul coal chaldron wagons from the mine at Wylam to the docks at Lemington in Northumberland but that was 1814.
Yes - absolutely agree with you on Huskisson! He deffo was not the first death - just the first member of the government to die. I think George Stephenson and the Stockton to Darlington railway have an excellent marketing department!
I don't think George Stevenson actually "invented" the steam locomotive. Richard Trevithick built some steam locomotives some years earlier, and I am pretty sure there were a couple of other innovators before Stevenson got to it. In fact didn't Stevenson "improve" steam locos that were bought for Wylam Colliery before he developed his own?
However, I accept the G.S. made the steam loco a viable working machine, and had the vision to build functional railway lines.
Nice video.
Yes absolutely - I need to get down to Cornwall and talk about Trevithick. I think you are right. Stephenson was a good businessman and marketer.
@@MrCHistorywalks An interesting question would be - what was the first railway to take paying passengers? Were there any before the Stockton and Darlington?
You mentioned Surrey Iron Road but did it take paying passengers? Did any of these other waggonways/ tramways?
@@RossMaynardProcessExcellence Mumbles railway did. Far as I know it was the first to take fare-paying passengers
@@jimmyviaductophilelawley5587 Interesting. Thank you. What year did that start?
@@RossMaynardProcessExcellence 1804. It was horse-drawn but still a fare-paying passenger railway.