To be fair, part of the Cheshire Cat Gate thing was that the earliest printing had a very defined..... bulge. So it wasn't just any butt. It got removed in later printings but, yeah that caused a big of a stir haha
I actually like that "flow" idea - having a set of cards you can theoretically chain together, until one "finisher" kills the "flow" and ends your turn. I think Flesh and Blood does something similar with it's action point nonsense.
However right you are, one thing you're underestimating is how willing people are to congregate in spaces with agreed upon expectations. I may not want to show my grandmother my sexy murder cards, but I wouldn't mind showing them to a stranger who is also playing those sexy murder cards.
Waifu card games are a thing and YGO is basically one of them. I think that at some point, regardless of the games you play, you learn to accept and embrace the games others show you and become numb to the idea of card being too lewd or gory.
@@Eemi_Seppala As an MtG player, I disagree. There are definitely some things we think go a little too far or should be reserved for unubiquitous promos.
@@Eemi_Seppala The only thing bad about Bearscape is the ludonarrative dissonance. Moreso stuff like Abrupt Decay, Earthbind, or some of the stuff you see on fan cards.
@@ceulgai2817 Would you be okay if the bearscape had women bathing? and with Earthbind I'm far more distracted be the quality of the art than the bondage. But I don't think MtG has that outrageous lewdness, but the fan arts are whole different deal. Maybe I just play/follow different types of TCGs.
The way you described the gameplay actually sounded really interesting if the rulebook were more readable and they expanded on the ideas you brought up, namely manipulating Cheer.
Good video! Ophidian was one of the games I covered back when I briefly did card game videos, and I actually found myself enjoying it quite a bit. You're absolutely right that its biggest problem was just being too complicated for its own good, but I think if it had managed to survive past that initial core set, it could have grown into something pretty solid. As for 2360/Arenaverse, from what little information I've managed to glean, it seems they're having trouble finding a distributor, which is rather unfortunate. Ultimately I file this in the same bin as Wyvern: an undeniably flawed game with nonetheless great potential, tragically denied the chance to achieve it. (The Beyblade CCG really was steaming garbage though; there was very little good I could find in that one)
Legit I am so interested by card games like this, discontinued, incredibly cheap..... But real fun to crack open with friends and try and play a few games haha
"The Flow" activated a memory! I remember some random comments that the concept of the flow was a cool one, and I know I've seen games run with the "hand off initiative once you do this" concept--though my brain is failing me at the moment.
When I was a kid, I would sometimes get single trading cards without a proper deck (usually when a toy came with a card or when my cousin or older siblings would give me a couple of theirs) and I wanted to play games with them, but obviously wasn't able to follow the actual rules, so I would make up games that only needed the one or two cards I had. This got me thinking: Do you think it would be possible to make a TCG that only requires one card from each player to play? I'm trying to think of ways this could work and I think it being simple and aimed toward kids would be the best choice because you could sell very small starter packs and it would be low cost. However, making the actual gameplay sustainable and fun sounds tricky. Thoughts?
Coming back to this after a brainstorm session! What about a game that only needs two cards, a six sided die and something to keep track of damage. Basically things everyone has and can come up with if they want to play. The game has different game modes that allow for multiple cards, but the 1v1 game rules are what the basic playstyle revolves around for all modes. Each card has two or three actions it can take, each requiring a different skill check with the dice. So an attack could be powerful, but it requires a higher roll, so it's riskier than the smaller attack. This could help add the risk and randomness that is otherwise lost. And the rules for 1v1 mode can be printed on the back of every card!! So literally someone could play the game even if they found their only card dropped on the floor somewhere and have no other information about it. This game idea would definitely benefit from the "make the rules themselves simple, but add complexity in the card affects" guideline
Thanks to that giant Pikachu image I'm just wanting just now see a giant Pikachu versus a wizard from Dungeons & Dragons. My money is still on the Pikachu though just because the average hit points on a Pokemon can that level 20 is still three times higher than the level 20 hp of your average wizard granted they both can still do a lot of damage especially if you allow up casting for the wizard. Look I just came back from watching the death battle of Jason versus Michael I need something better.
Just asking, do you plan to take a look at Battle Spirits Saga or Battle Spirits itself? The rulebook for the "soon" to be released Batte Spirits Saga was revealed a couple days ago.
Would love to see you cover (if at all even possible) some card games I remember from the early 90s like the Sim City card game and Ani-Mayhem. I kinda miss that wild window when everyone was trying to compete with Magic,
Seeing a bunch of big-titty anime art for Force of Will did indeed keep me from playing it back when I had buddies getting into it, Cheshire-gate or not
Or Sonic the Hedgehog! Seriously Sega you've actually spent time making a Sonic card game in Sonic battle and you still didn't release the actual physical version of it you can make a card game and it would make money I mean you can't possibly do worse than what Hasbro has done with Transformers.
Ah man, it was a bit annoying how you entirely wrote off the game and it's "flow" system as being too complex. I really wish you would've gone more in depth with it so that the viewer could actually see that complexity because with how it was explained, it seems fine. Reminds me a little bit of a fighting game mechanic that I forgot the name of.
I held onto booster boxes of 0phidian 2350 for 6 years hoping to see growth. I bought them for $8 a piece so it's actually gone down. I don't see these surpassing $30 any time soon though but we'll see.
I will say Yugioh is nowhere NEAR as complex as many people commonly believe, the summoning mechanics are easily compartmentalised so a new player can learn them one at a time before mixing and matching. I think Yugioh just lacked a good teaching tool until recently and even then the master duel tutorial is kind of slow and has some more to be desired.
YGO is quite simple, but the cards are tiresome and there are so many hurdles for beginner to intermediate players to over come (like chain blocking, missing timing and some pendulum stuff) that it seems to have hard to drawing in too many players. I know DL and MD made it more accessible, but I'm betting 75% of the players who started with those couldn't play with real cards, since they have been accustomed to the automated mechanics.
As a former YGO player: Yes it is. The core rules were understandable at first, but as the game went on, the summon mechanics kept both multiplying and getting better, so new players would have to learn how they worked to know how to play the game. Also, Konami's rulings make no sense and after awhile these odd rulings got turned into new rules in the rulebook, until finally Konami had to completely change the way they wrote card text because so many cards interacted with these rulings-turned-rules that the game had become totally incomprehensible. They called this "problem-solving card text," but anyone who's had experience with both could tell you that it creates problems with more cards than the old style. Also, because some of these old cards are still in use (MST), some players will have to learn both styles of card text just in case their opponent busts out one of these old cards and you'll need to know if this is one of those cards where you select a target but the game doesn't consider it targeting, and cards where the card simply hits a monster that meets certain conditions but the game considers this "targeting" for some inexplicable reason.
To be fair, part of the Cheshire Cat Gate thing was that the earliest printing had a very defined..... bulge. So it wasn't just any butt.
It got removed in later printings but, yeah that caused a big of a stir haha
I actually like that "flow" idea - having a set of cards you can theoretically chain together, until one "finisher" kills the "flow" and ends your turn. I think Flesh and Blood does something similar with it's action point nonsense.
It’s called the “Combat Chain”
However right you are, one thing you're underestimating is how willing people are to congregate in spaces with agreed upon expectations. I may not want to show my grandmother my sexy murder cards, but I wouldn't mind showing them to a stranger who is also playing those sexy murder cards.
Waifu card games are a thing and YGO is basically one of them. I think that at some point, regardless of the games you play, you learn to accept and embrace the games others show you and become numb to the idea of card being too lewd or gory.
@@Eemi_Seppala As an MtG player, I disagree. There are definitely some things we think go a little too far or should be reserved for unubiquitous promos.
@@ceulgai2817 Bearscape?
@@Eemi_Seppala The only thing bad about Bearscape is the ludonarrative dissonance.
Moreso stuff like Abrupt Decay, Earthbind, or some of the stuff you see on fan cards.
@@ceulgai2817 Would you be okay if the bearscape had women bathing? and with Earthbind I'm far more distracted be the quality of the art than the bondage.
But I don't think MtG has that outrageous lewdness, but the fan arts are whole different deal. Maybe I just play/follow different types of TCGs.
The way you described the gameplay actually sounded really interesting if the rulebook were more readable and they expanded on the ideas you brought up, namely manipulating Cheer.
Good video! Ophidian was one of the games I covered back when I briefly did card game videos, and I actually found myself enjoying it quite a bit. You're absolutely right that its biggest problem was just being too complicated for its own good, but I think if it had managed to survive past that initial core set, it could have grown into something pretty solid.
As for 2360/Arenaverse, from what little information I've managed to glean, it seems they're having trouble finding a distributor, which is rather unfortunate. Ultimately I file this in the same bin as Wyvern: an undeniably flawed game with nonetheless great potential, tragically denied the chance to achieve it.
(The Beyblade CCG really was steaming garbage though; there was very little good I could find in that one)
Legit I am so interested by card games like this, discontinued, incredibly cheap..... But real fun to crack open with friends and try and play a few games haha
Glad you did address the revival. I find that interesting too. They tried for Wyvern and got denied
14:45 it's not often a youtube video makes me laugh out loud, but that had YEARS of set up.
I was wondering why I suddenly found so many boosters, starter packs, and boxes of this at a Half-Price Books a few months back.
Your Cryptkeeper impression is a little too good.
The AA music is the background is making me glad a card game of that doesn’t exist that tries to replicate court antics in a living room or somewhere
"The Flow" activated a memory! I remember some random comments that the concept of the flow was a cool one, and I know I've seen games run with the "hand off initiative once you do this" concept--though my brain is failing me at the moment.
Digimon's Mana Mechanic is basically Flow, but I know there is a Tcg that has Flow mechanics but I can't remember
I refuse to believe that 2003 was a year.
Oh dang this might be fun to grab just to feed my pack cracking addiction.
When I was a kid, I would sometimes get single trading cards without a proper deck (usually when a toy came with a card or when my cousin or older siblings would give me a couple of theirs) and I wanted to play games with them, but obviously wasn't able to follow the actual rules, so I would make up games that only needed the one or two cards I had.
This got me thinking: Do you think it would be possible to make a TCG that only requires one card from each player to play? I'm trying to think of ways this could work and I think it being simple and aimed toward kids would be the best choice because you could sell very small starter packs and it would be low cost. However, making the actual gameplay sustainable and fun sounds tricky.
Thoughts?
Coming back to this after a brainstorm session! What about a game that only needs two cards, a six sided die and something to keep track of damage. Basically things everyone has and can come up with if they want to play.
The game has different game modes that allow for multiple cards, but the 1v1 game rules are what the basic playstyle revolves around for all modes. Each card has two or three actions it can take, each requiring a different skill check with the dice. So an attack could be powerful, but it requires a higher roll, so it's riskier than the smaller attack. This could help add the risk and randomness that is otherwise lost.
And the rules for 1v1 mode can be printed on the back of every card!! So literally someone could play the game even if they found their only card dropped on the floor somewhere and have no other information about it.
This game idea would definitely benefit from the "make the rules themselves simple, but add complexity in the card affects" guideline
Sounds like a challenging concept but would love to see something like it
Helluva Crypt Keeper! Still waiting years for my ArenaVerse/Ophidian Arena. I went ahead & ordered Ophidian 2360 last night.
Glad you brought back the bargain bin!
I appreciate the return of Skylanders in the background. I love those games.
I wouldn't call myself a dedicated Redakai player, but I do play it once in a while just because I find it neat.
Eva Perón Ghost is laughing thanks to you argent saga
Does he not know of Battle spirits?
Thanks to that giant Pikachu image I'm just wanting just now see a giant Pikachu versus a wizard from Dungeons & Dragons. My money is still on the Pikachu though just because the average hit points on a Pokemon can that level 20 is still three times higher than the level 20 hp of your average wizard granted they both can still do a lot of damage especially if you allow up casting for the wizard. Look I just came back from watching the death battle of Jason versus Michael I need something better.
Just asking, do you plan to take a look at Battle Spirits Saga or Battle Spirits itself? The rulebook for the "soon" to be released Batte Spirits Saga was revealed a couple days ago.
Definitely hope he does
Would love to see you cover (if at all even possible) some card games I remember from the early 90s like the Sim City card game and Ani-Mayhem. I kinda miss that wild window when everyone was trying to compete with Magic,
The game has a kind of "avant garde" charm to it: It looks like a card game that a 14 year-old would make.
Seeing a bunch of big-titty anime art for Force of Will did indeed keep me from playing it back when I had buddies getting into it, Cheshire-gate or not
The early art being absolute ass is what kept me from it and by the time the art got good I just wasn’t interested
Funny, I was really interested for awhile until I heard that they were censoring the card art.
Or Sonic the Hedgehog! Seriously Sega you've actually spent time making a Sonic card game in Sonic battle and you still didn't release the actual physical version of it you can make a card game and it would make money I mean you can't possibly do worse than what Hasbro has done with Transformers.
Has anyone addressed the confusing name “Force of Will” yet?
It shared with a MTG card, the card game and the company who made said card game.
I mean Yugioh's Complexity does come from the cards themselves, the pure Rules haven't changed that much
Not covering Dark Ages - Feudal Lords must be an oversight!
I'm somehow not surprised he's so offended by skimpy ladies but didn't notice the objectionable catboy bulge.
come next Oktober... yeah that didn't pan out
LMAO the Last Will.
Are you gonna review the new one piece card game?
Positive comment
Ah man, it was a bit annoying how you entirely wrote off the game and it's "flow" system as being too complex. I really wish you would've gone more in depth with it so that the viewer could actually see that complexity because with how it was explained, it seems fine. Reminds me a little bit of a fighting game mechanic that I forgot the name of.
I got one of those dead games. Mega Man NT Warriors.
When pokemon said no to wizards lol
Bought 4 booster boxes just for the fun of it
Are you willing to sell the foils from those boxes? I am trying for a complete set. Let me know!
@@SelflessResurrection I still have 2 boxes sealed if you’re interested but sold the other 2
Hilarious!!!!!🤣🤣🤣
Become voice actor
Also just like duel masters and kaijudo, these things aren't gonna be cheap now that you made a video about it.
I held onto booster boxes of 0phidian 2350 for 6 years hoping to see growth. I bought them for $8 a piece so it's actually gone down. I don't see these surpassing $30 any time soon though but we'll see.
I will say Yugioh is nowhere NEAR as complex as many people commonly believe, the summoning mechanics are easily compartmentalised so a new player can learn them one at a time before mixing and matching. I think Yugioh just lacked a good teaching tool until recently and even then the master duel tutorial is kind of slow and has some more to be desired.
That ish Complicated AF
It is easy to understand until you see the pendulum interactions...
YGO is quite simple, but the cards are tiresome and there are so many hurdles for beginner to intermediate players to over come (like chain blocking, missing timing and some pendulum stuff) that it seems to have hard to drawing in too many players.
I know DL and MD made it more accessible, but I'm betting 75% of the players who started with those couldn't play with real cards, since they have been accustomed to the automated mechanics.
I have bad eyesight
As a former YGO player: Yes it is. The core rules were understandable at first, but as the game went on, the summon mechanics kept both multiplying and getting better, so new players would have to learn how they worked to know how to play the game. Also, Konami's rulings make no sense and after awhile these odd rulings got turned into new rules in the rulebook, until finally Konami had to completely change the way they wrote card text because so many cards interacted with these rulings-turned-rules that the game had become totally incomprehensible. They called this "problem-solving card text," but anyone who's had experience with both could tell you that it creates problems with more cards than the old style.
Also, because some of these old cards are still in use (MST), some players will have to learn both styles of card text just in case their opponent busts out one of these old cards and you'll need to know if this is one of those cards where you select a target but the game doesn't consider it targeting, and cards where the card simply hits a monster that meets certain conditions but the game considers this "targeting" for some inexplicable reason.