I absolutely love how thorough your videos are! If I could add a tiny bit of constructive feedback, the wide angle lens (or zoomed out) in the shop makes it hard to see the details that you’re talking about so don’t be afraid to get a little closer to the camera!
Really liked this video. This format is awesome with the work in the background. I can tell you create a positive and productive working environment forsure. Excited to see what other products come out for this new fork and shock
Have my forks apart and agree check plate With the 2 shims would delay direction change and poor flow. Do you make any parts to change it to spring check plate?
Is there are a part number for the bladder kit for the fork? This is a cool concept to bring some of what the sphere has to offer, without buying full cartridges
The Dal Soggio kit changes the fork back to a bladder fork, which the original WP CC fork was. Why do you think they went with a piston and chamber? Do you think it was just to be the same as KYB? How do these forks compare with the original WP CC fork?
I still rate the bladder fork from WP as their best fork yet. They are still available as an aftermarket item and have been upgraded. The Cones are a bit of a marketing exercise that have the buying attention right now......but ask a tuner as to how the cones are any better or even any good.....I've yet to hear a credible answer, even from WP
If you know, can you tell me what was the initial idea why WP developed cone valves? I've heard something about mid-valve compression shims getting distorted too often, but don't know whether that is true. Anyways, everyone else uses some kind of a shim stack on mid-valve compression seemingly without a problem. If that is indeed the "real reason" why cone valves where developed than it does really seem to be more of a marketing stunt, as shims, especially with a trampolene (leaf) spring offer way more adjustability.
@@strifex-suspension-works Their midvalve shims do distort quite regularly....but the shimstack provides the greatest level of tunability and better feel. WP could look at supporting their shims more efficiently or upgrading the quality of their shims rather than chasing alternatives that offer more appeal in the brochure than in the real world. Chase Sexton has thrown his WP Cone Valve cartridges away in favour of KYB.....they could have given him this new cartridge instead.
They are both good, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference in feel. New fork is better, has a better mid piston than the old CC fork. Most of the stuff this guy is saying is biased so he can sell more stuff. Good tuners know why the CV fork is better, I'll just leave it at that. Racetech typically removes the cones so they can sell gold valves which turns them into the new 24 spring fork basically. Nonsense
@@AnonYoukno So......if WP themselves can't give me a good reason as to why the CV is better....perhaps you can fill me in? And lets keep it technical. Having studied hydraulics and fluid dynamics along with mechanical engineering, feel free to go as deep as you wish...
It’s good to hear Terry mentioned about how important oil flow is through the pistons trying to control the flow because usually everyone is selling pistons claiming more flow very interesting great vids.
We will delve into port area and fluid displacement in the next video. It will throw a cat among the pigeons but so be it. Hydraulics and fluid dynamics are so prevalent in suspension but often ignored in favour of "out there" theories
I absolutely love how thorough your videos are! If I could add a tiny bit of constructive feedback, the wide angle lens (or zoomed out) in the shop makes it hard to see the details that you’re talking about so don’t be afraid to get a little closer to the camera!
Noted!
Fantastic videos. Pls keep it up 👍
Thanks, will do!
Really liked this video. This format is awesome with the work in the background. I can tell you create a positive and productive working environment forsure. Excited to see what other products come out for this new fork and shock
Glad you enjoyed it!
Have my forks apart and agree check plate With the 2 shims would delay direction change and poor flow. Do you make any parts to change it to spring check plate?
Learnt a lot through your no bs explanations 👏
With the bladder can you use the psi to adjust the feel or should it be left at appropriate value ?
It will certainly alter the feel but its underlying value is in maintaining a positive pressure to provide fluid stability.
Is there are a part number for the bladder kit for the fork? This is a cool concept to bring some of what the sphere has to offer, without buying full cartridges
It is simply known as the Dal Soggio XR kit.
@@shocktreatment5495 thank you!
The Dal Soggio kit changes the fork back to a bladder fork, which the original WP CC fork was. Why do you think they went with a piston and chamber? Do you think it was just to be the same as KYB? How do these forks compare with the original WP CC fork?
I still rate the bladder fork from WP as their best fork yet. They are still available as an aftermarket item and have been upgraded. The Cones are a bit of a marketing exercise that have the buying attention right now......but ask a tuner as to how the cones are any better or even any good.....I've yet to hear a credible answer, even from WP
If you know, can you tell me what was the initial idea why WP developed cone valves? I've heard something about mid-valve compression shims getting distorted too often, but don't know whether that is true. Anyways, everyone else uses some kind of a shim stack on mid-valve compression seemingly without a problem.
If that is indeed the "real reason" why cone valves where developed than it does really seem to be more of a marketing stunt, as shims, especially with a trampolene (leaf) spring offer way more adjustability.
@@strifex-suspension-works Their midvalve shims do distort quite regularly....but the shimstack provides the greatest level of tunability and better feel. WP could look at supporting their shims more efficiently or upgrading the quality of their shims rather than chasing alternatives that offer more appeal in the brochure than in the real world. Chase Sexton has thrown his WP Cone Valve cartridges away in favour of KYB.....they could have given him this new cartridge instead.
They are both good, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference in feel. New fork is better, has a better mid piston than the old CC fork. Most of the stuff this guy is saying is biased so he can sell more stuff. Good tuners know why the CV fork is better, I'll just leave it at that. Racetech typically removes the cones so they can sell gold valves which turns them into the new 24 spring fork basically. Nonsense
@@AnonYoukno So......if WP themselves can't give me a good reason as to why the CV is better....perhaps you can fill me in? And lets keep it technical. Having studied hydraulics and fluid dynamics along with mechanical engineering, feel free to go as deep as you wish...
really good!
Thanks!
Hallo du you change midvalve shims to? Or is it just the xr kit?
We definitely change the midvalve
Well, WP used bladder forks at a recent past.
Maybe they could consider an back step, and ……
Sometimes being ahead of your time is a good thing.....being ahead of your market potentially is not.
@@shocktreatment5495 the market logaritm is complex , kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
The people who buy the bikes is on the beginner/average technical understand spectrum
instead of 850 I would go for complete sphere kit for 1250.
Thats $850 AUD appr $550 US. This part is great and "almost" creates the same package as the Sphere.
Fair enough. I would also be considering the complexity when selling the bike etc. But ofc each to their own;).
great to be in China, get to watch the video almost instantly :). Thank you for the info.
Thanks for watching!
It’s good to hear Terry mentioned about how important oil flow is through the pistons trying to control the flow because usually everyone is selling pistons claiming more flow very interesting great vids.
We will delve into port area and fluid displacement in the next video. It will throw a cat among the pigeons but so be it. Hydraulics and fluid dynamics are so prevalent in suspension but often ignored in favour of "out there" theories