hello, i installed this kit 3 years ago on a 2008 5.4 expedition with 155000, the reason i installed it, after 145000 i replaced timing set ,phasers, and solenoids, and 10000 miles later the chain popped a hole in the passenger valve cover!! well heres a 3 year update,, the vehicle has been driven from coast to coast and at now has 248630 miles with no failures !!
@@LivernoisMotorsports hello, i totaled my expedition i had 309499 on the mileage, ive got my totaled vehicle engine is ok, ive got another stock 2005 f150 5.4 3v , my question can i remove the program from my expedition and use it on my new used truck?
@@brainwashed7244 Unfortunately the tuner permanently marries itself to a given vehicle, so you'd need to purchase a new tuner to use on the new truck.
Thanks for the excellent video, Livernois. I want my old F150 to run a long time yet, so I ordered your system today. I've always been a Ford guy, but their variable valve timing on the 5.4s (and others, apparently) is a disaster of epic proportions. Really appreciate you helping keep a lot of otherwise sound trucks on the road!
Yeah, There should Be a Federal Government Mandated Ford Recall on Every 5.4L 3V Engine Ford produced.... or a Federal Class Action Law Suit against the Ford Motor Company....! 5.4L 3V engine owners need to win/be compensated $5,000 each to repair their engine, & legally "become whole again"...
Should it be advisable to also open up the front timing cover to ensure the other potential problems are checked like tensioners, guides, timing chains, seals? Thank you!
I currently have a superchips tuner on my truck, is the SCT tuner that comes with this kit a tuner that does the same so that i wont need the superchips one anymore? My tuner i am using it to correct for the gears I have installed and also the more agressive 87 octane tune, firming shifts and more.
+xX “That Guy Kevin” Xx This actually includes our exclusive MyCalibrator tuner, however, it is not a performance tuner as it is a product that will be emissions compliant. We do offer a performance version of this kit that is an additional $250 that comes with our performance minded MyCalibrator in place of the repair variant included in this kit.
+xX “That Guy Kevin” Xx No, this is a unique version of the lockout kit that is not emissions legal and carries a performance tune. If you already purchased our lockout kit, it would require purchase of a mycalibrator tuner again for performance use. The $250 upcharge is only available at time of purchase, and it would come with one tuner.
great video and easy to follow instructions, however, it would be helpful if you would add to the beginning of the video to tell people how to position the camshaft - if positioned correctly it works just like your video, however, if not the phaser will not wiggle off but will tap off with a hammer and then the cam will move - this creates a huge headache trying to get the alignment pin in the phase rotated and lined up perfectly with the notch in the cam - speaking from experience unfortunately -
How I reverse the lock out phaser. I bought the truck with the lock out and now i want to put it back to stock. Any help will be great. Thank you in advance
It's technically possible, but of course, it will end up eventually failing the phasers again. You'd have to remove the lockouts, and remove the calibration changes.
@@LivernoisMotorsports how do I remove the calibration do i have to take it to the dealership for that. I can do the labor no problem in probably a weekend. Is there a way to do it manually what are my options.
@@fernandobullon430 If you have our MyCalibrator tuner, you simply would need to use the return to stock function. Unfortunately, if you have someone else's, or have no device, a trip to the dealership for reprogramming is likely needed.
edgar goicoechea The engine definitely runs better with the lockout system than with the failed VCT system. Most customers report that the engine runs smoother than it ever has. most also note almost no change in efficiency with the locked out system, and usually report a substantial improvement over a failed system.
But that"s not all... You guys aren't charging $699 for a couple wedges of aluminum and two bolts. You are charging all that money for the ability to flash your own computer. Where is the info on how to do that in this video?
This was not intended to show that part, as we have other videos that cover it. We are also in the midst of creating a video that shows this in vehicle as well
Why blocks the cam phaser in the retard position, which removes torque and increases fuel consumption for normal driving? Retarded the cam timing gives more power at high revs but takes away some at low revs so why lock it late? ??
Thank you so much for the informative video, I have 2012 ford expedition 5.4L, mileage is 200KM. It has the P0024 code with "check engine on" for over 2 years now, I have changed the The Oil Control Valve (OCV) to the bank 2, but it did not fix the P0024 code. do you think using the "Cam Phaser Lockout" can fix the problem. note1: there is no knocking noise sound, the sound of the engine is good. note 2: mileage per hour is always around 12mpg. note 3: I am using 5W30 full synthetic engine oil. Thank you.
If I buy this lockout kit how long will installation take and will the tuner make my CEL go away or no? Will i lose any power installing this kit and do you think the kit is worth the money? Any long-term reviews from your 3v 5.4 customers with this kit installed? Thanks..
Typically the install takes less than a business day, and the tuner does address the fault codes related to the vct system. Of course if your vehicle has other faults, those codes will remain. As for power, most report back a noticeable improvement in power over a failed system. As for being worth the money, of course we feel it is. Especially given the fact that most temporary fixes start out at double the money, and ours permanently fixes it. As for customer testament, being we've offered this kit for nearly 10 years feedback is definitely out there, but the biggest testament is that most repair shops that install a customer supplied kit end up ordering multiple kits for stock.
I have a 2002 f 150 4.2 I just replace clutch but now it sounds like it didn't have no oil and if I give it little gas noise goes away would that be the problem..thank you..
Im getting ready to order soon! do I need the tune? i didn't think so as the tune only makes it better right? And im not sure I am ready to spend 600 dollars on that.
Just to be sure before purchasing . . . A customer only needs to install the lockout on one cam phaser, the driver side bank? You don't need to do both sides? Thanks
Would you recommend this for high horsepower applications? I want to build a 5.4l triton with a turbo but i am scared that the stock cam phasers won't be able to handle the power
Hello, I have a problem with a 2008 F150 5.4L 3V. First problem, when in cold and starting the motor sound a chain noise, the technician said that is a CHAIN TENSIONER on the passenger side. Second problem, it thrown a P0022 code (INT CAM POSITION TIMING OVER RET BAN 2), its misfiring the passenger side and the technician said maybe is a phaser... The truck was repaired of a time chain kit 2 months ago... those problems I have sounds awful and the motor starts to vibrate... I saw a lot of videos on youtube that adjudicates the problems to VCT Solenoids... and maybe could be those, but I´m not sure... What do you think? Could those Phaser Locks help to solve my problems??? For what are those made for??? What are they improvement for the motor or what is the benefits? Hope you can help me with this!! Thank you!
Because the vct system in these us problematic and unreliable, which can cause severe engine damage. This is the only proper way to prevent this from happening.
+Daniel Calsada While it might technically work, we have not validated its use with any other tuner. We do sell a performance version for an added $250 that combines our performance tune with the required changes to the programming for the lockouts
I've heard, though I'm not certain it makes perfect sense, that if you use a stethoscope on the valve cover you can determine the location of the noise -- and if it's at the top and the front of the valve train, it's normally the phasers.
what is the impact of this phaser lockout kit on horsepower torque emissions and reliability? have a 2004 F150 5.4 liter 3 valve that has the cam phaser problem oddly enough on the driver side Bank and I am trying to determine the best fix for it.
Vs a failed phaser often people give us feedback of improved power and economy. As for emissions, our system is actually carb legal for up to 2010. On the front of reliability, this permanently addresses the cam phaser issue making it impossible to fail the vct system ever again.
Since Im making a hobby of fixing these engines, can I use the tuner on multiple repairs? Or does it need to stay plugged in to the truck that's repaired? Also, I seem to find broken chain guides and blown out tensioners every time so the front cover is coming off regardless...
If they are making noise, but have no physical damage, they can be reused. If you are uncertain how to check for damage properly though, definitely replace them first.
@@LivernoisMotorsports what if the cam phaser toners are broke the 3 little pins that hold the tension cant i just throw away the spring part the toner and keep the toner part that the cam shaft sensor reads since it is a locked phaser basically just a solid sprocket so could i just rid that big huge round spring???
@@LivernoisMotorsports yes thank you for a answer your awesome!! It does need the toner for the cam sensor but not the spring that retards it back in locking place right?? So i studied the engineering i removed the spring and l liquid welded the toner with 3 metal inserts i mad a video of it iam gonna install it now with the lockouts. And if it doesn't but i have cofidence it will i can allway just buy old phasers to put my lockouts in buying new ones defeats the purpose of lockouts to save ? I making a complete backyard garage video on this just for giggles if not. I guess it into payments again new truck!! 👍👍 thank you for your response and acknowledging we modifying this things why not modify it all like the pin that goes up and down to release the phaser you should sell a solid pin that does move up and down since the phaser is not going to unlock?? Love learning this stuff
My 2008 F-150 (5.4L) runs great while cruising around but as soon as its hot (thinner oil?), it starts to knock, rattle and jerk while sounding like you threw a handfull of loose bolts and nuts into the motor at idle or very low RPM. To me, it sounds like a phasers issue, don't you think? Oil pressure? VVTsolenoids? Should I change the phasers all along doing this lock trick? thanks!
The timing on my 2006 5.4L is having spark advance issues. The timing under load is 3 to 4 points off. Under idle, the timing is normal. Will locking out the phasers address this issue?
The phasers can impact ignition timing, but usually not to the amount you are describing. they control cam timing mostly, and then ignition timing can changed based off of where cam timing ends up. so you'd need to look at desired vs actual camshaft timing to know.
+Fabian F The advantage is removing a well documented design flaw from the engine for those more concerned with durability and in-service life while keeping repair costs down. As of now the only way to properly retain VCT is to just rebuild the engine to factory specifications every time the engine wears down enough to cause the system to fail. Considering some trucks have this happen in under 50k miles, you ca see how expensive this can be. Being there is negligible loss in power or economy ~700 once is far better than ~7000 every few years or less.
+Livernois Motorsports If the low idle locking pin is causing the "ticking noise" problem, wouldn't it be better to create a remanufactured and improved cam phaser, so the improved low rpm torque is retained by having full functionality of the cam phaser system?
+Fabian F Actually since the vct system makes the most torque by being in the fully advanced position, disabling it does nothing to the low end torque. Additionally since the engine itself is the cause of the vct system failing, you'd need to completely reengineer the base functionality of the vct system. Being the original design cost millions of dollars, and was flawed, engineering an improved offering could easily match the original's cost, without the economics of scale helping offset the price per unit. This could mean phasers that cost more than a whole new engine costs, which to be completely honest almost no one would buy.
TheTruthBeTold A tune is definitely required for use with the lockouts. We've spent a great deal of time developing our tune to be as reliable as the factory tuning while accommodating these changes. So much so it's earned CARB E.O. status for emissions compliance.
not at all, the spring does not operate the phaser, it is only there to help dampen movement. The phaser is oil controlled as as an engine naturally ages, the oil pressure drops. Once it drops below a certain point, the phaser can no longer properly function. There is still plenty of rpessure for the engine to live a long, happy life, just not operate the phaser. So the lockout removes that issue.
I just had this done on my 2004 f150 and now I get terrible gas mileage. Is there anything I can do with the programming of my truck to at least get some of it back?
+Joe Bowyer Joe, if your fuel economy dropped off substantially, we would recommend going back over the install. Often times we have seen people put one lockout in backwards, causing a severe drop off
Im going to be doing a cam install and will be including the lockouts. I noticed that when you pulled the cam phaser off the cam didnt move. Did you guys remove the 3 cam followers that Ford recommends or did you just set the cam to where there are the least amount of valves open?
+Livernois Motorsports Ok thnx! With the followers in would it be hard to set down the cam and torque down the caps or is there little pressure coming from the springs to even worry about it? Ive heard people leave followers in and they just mash the cam down instead of removing the followers. This is my first time working on the motor so I just want to make sure what Ive been reading wont give me any trouble.
You can have the followers installed, and then slowly tighten the cam caps down in an even sequence, just a little bit at a time, working the cam slowly into position, while making sure not to allow too much pressure to exist on any one cap at a time.
Sorry guys a read the answer further down the page I also have another question I am in Australia and we have this engine in an Australian LTD it has multipoint fuel injection will the tune kit you supply work ?
+Jackie Chan the VCT system doesn't advance these cams, it retards them. And since the VCT system fails, making it unable to control the cam timing at all, No, it's not pointless. These run very poorly when the VCT system fails, along with running a high risk of damaging the engine, so the locked out cam timing is far superior to that of uncontrolled cam movement.
+Jackie Chan There is no "repair" for the phasers to keep them active. Even replacing every single part of this system only provides a temporary solution. Sometimes the noise returns within hours. That's why our lockout system is the only true way to permanently repair the noise.
As a ford tech it is very rare that people need to replace the phasers more than once if they use a ford part. The phaser rests at a full advance position(not a zero), if you are removing the phaser just replace it. Most ford techs and high end techs at independent shops laugh at this process because it only seems like backyard mechanics do it.
You guys are a life saver. I have an '05 mustang GT and am doing a comp cams cam swap that requires their phaser limiter kit. Well, turns out I need new phasers and they are the updated ones. Well, they say their spring lock tool ONLY works on the old phaser and not the new one. I don't understand why they have not included a spring lock tool for the newer models as well. Anyway, long story short, they lost my business as I ordered y'alls cam phaser limiters since it seems y'all are the only company to make them for these newer phasers. Thanks Livernois!
steelelake Our lockout kit comes with the lockouts, new cam phaser bolts, timing chain wedge tool, and the tuner to reprogram the vehicle to accommodate the deletion of the variable cam timing system.
Do I have to buy the tuner with the full kit, or can I just buy the lockouts with the timing chain wedge and phaser bolts and then have a mechanic disable the VCT system so I don't need to pay so much? Or is there something special about your tune that I need.
+chuy gonzalez The tuner can scan, and clear codes, and it does address the codes that come up when the VCT system fails, but it does not effect the diagnostic functions of the computer outside of that.
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hello, i installed this kit 3 years ago on a 2008 5.4 expedition with 155000, the reason i installed it, after 145000 i replaced timing set ,phasers, and solenoids, and 10000 miles later the chain popped a hole in the passenger valve cover!! well heres a 3 year update,, the vehicle has been driven from coast to coast and at now has 248630 miles with no failures !!
that's great to hear! We're glad it's been treating you so well!
@@LivernoisMotorsports hello, i totaled my expedition i had 309499 on the mileage, ive got my totaled vehicle engine is ok, ive got another stock 2005 f150 5.4 3v , my question can i remove the program from my expedition and use it on my new used truck?
@@brainwashed7244 Unfortunately the tuner permanently marries itself to a given vehicle, so you'd need to purchase a new tuner to use on the new truck.
Подскажите, после установки блокировки фазера, обязательно делать программное отключение в блоке управления двигателем?
Thanks for the excellent video, Livernois.
I want my old F150 to run a long time yet, so I ordered your system today.
I've always been a Ford guy, but their variable valve timing on the 5.4s (and others, apparently) is a disaster of epic proportions. Really appreciate you helping keep a lot of otherwise sound trucks on the road!
We appreciate the kind words!
Yeah, There should Be a Federal Government Mandated Ford Recall on Every 5.4L 3V Engine Ford produced.... or a Federal Class Action Law Suit against the Ford Motor Company....! 5.4L 3V engine owners need to win/be compensated $5,000 each to repair their engine, & legally "become whole again"...
Should it be advisable to also open up the front timing cover to ensure the other potential problems are checked like tensioners, guides, timing chains, seals? Thank you!
This is never a bad idea!
Do I need to tune my 2013 expedition after this or no need? Thanks for sharing
I currently have a superchips tuner on my truck, is the SCT tuner that comes with this kit a tuner that does the same so that i wont need the superchips one anymore? My tuner i am using it to correct for the gears I have installed and also the more agressive 87 octane tune, firming shifts and more.
+xX “That Guy Kevin” Xx This actually includes our exclusive MyCalibrator tuner, however, it is not a performance tuner as it is a product that will be emissions compliant. We do offer a performance version of this kit that is an additional $250 that comes with our performance minded MyCalibrator in place of the repair variant included in this kit.
So your saying i will need to use your calibrator tuner as well as your performance tuner for 250.
+xX “That Guy Kevin” Xx No, this is a unique version of the lockout kit that is not emissions legal and carries a performance tune. If you already purchased our lockout kit, it would require purchase of a mycalibrator tuner again for performance use. The $250 upcharge is only available at time of purchase, and it would come with one tuner.
Put lockouts on my 2005 mustang gt. Still tuneable and everything.
Indeed they are
I accidentally removed the one bolt holding the end of the spring. How do I reclock it? It’s very stiff. Thanks
technically the spring is not needed with the lockouts, so you can discard.
great video and easy to follow instructions, however, it would be helpful if you would add to the beginning of the video to tell people how to position the camshaft - if positioned correctly it works just like your video, however, if not the phaser will not wiggle off but will tap off with a hammer and then the cam will move - this creates a huge headache trying to get the alignment pin in the phase rotated and lined up perfectly with the notch in the cam - speaking from experience unfortunately -
How I reverse the lock out phaser. I bought the truck with the lock out and now i want to put it back to stock. Any help will be great. Thank you in advance
It's technically possible, but of course, it will end up eventually failing the phasers again. You'd have to remove the lockouts, and remove the calibration changes.
@@LivernoisMotorsports how do I remove the calibration do i have to take it to the dealership for that. I can do the labor no problem in probably a weekend. Is there a way to do it manually what are my options.
@@fernandobullon430 If you have our MyCalibrator tuner, you simply would need to use the return to stock function. Unfortunately, if you have someone else's, or have no device, a trip to the dealership for reprogramming is likely needed.
BIG QUESTION LOCKING THE PHASER WILL MAKE CAM TO BE WITHOUT MOVEMENT, AND DO THE ENGINE RUNS BETTER OR LESS EFFICIENT
edgar goicoechea The engine definitely runs better with the lockout system than with the failed VCT system. Most customers report that the engine runs smoother than it ever has. most also note almost no change in efficiency with the locked out system, and usually report a substantial improvement over a failed system.
I apologize to how many degrees the small screws and the center one are tight
But that"s not all... You guys aren't charging $699 for a couple wedges of aluminum and two bolts. You are charging all that money for the ability to flash your own computer. Where is the info on how to do that in this video?
This was not intended to show that part, as we have other videos that cover it. We are also in the midst of creating a video that shows this in vehicle as well
Why blocks the cam phaser in the retard position, which removes torque and increases fuel consumption for normal driving? Retarded the cam timing gives more power at high revs but takes away some at low revs so why lock it late? ??
This doesn't. This locks it in the fully advanced, or "zero retard" position
Thank you so much for the informative video, I have 2012 ford expedition 5.4L, mileage is 200KM.
It has the P0024 code with "check engine on" for over 2 years now, I have changed the The Oil Control Valve (OCV) to the bank 2, but it did not fix the P0024 code. do you think using the "Cam Phaser Lockout" can fix the problem.
note1: there is no knocking noise sound, the sound of the engine is good.
note 2: mileage per hour is always around 12mpg.
note 3: I am using 5W30 full synthetic engine oil.
Thank you.
Unless the engine has been apart for some reason and timed improperly, we would suspect you're having phaser issues.
@@LivernoisMotorsports Thank you so much
@@MustafaExplore no problem!
Does this lock the cam timing in the fully advanced position?
If I buy this lockout kit how long will installation take and will the tuner make my CEL go away or no? Will i lose any power installing this kit and do you think the kit is worth the money? Any long-term reviews from your 3v 5.4 customers with this kit installed? Thanks..
Typically the install takes less than a business day, and the tuner does address the fault codes related to the vct system. Of course if your vehicle has other faults, those codes will remain. As for power, most report back a noticeable improvement in power over a failed system. As for being worth the money, of course we feel it is. Especially given the fact that most temporary fixes start out at double the money, and ours permanently fixes it. As for customer testament, being we've offered this kit for nearly 10 years feedback is definitely out there, but the biggest testament is that most repair shops that install a customer supplied kit end up ordering multiple kits for stock.
Do you all sell the tuner just by itself? I had already bought the wedge tool, lockouts and the phaser bolts when i saw this video
We indeed do. Call in to order it and get pricing.
Livernois Motorsports what is the number i can call?
313-561-5500
I just ordered my part. Once I install the lockout should I start the car or put the tune first before I start it?
steelavocado Definitely install the tune before starting it.
Livernois Motorsports & Engineering ok. And one more question. How long do you think the standard shipping will take?
@@steelavocado1 without knowing where you are located, that's impossible to say unfortunately
I have a 2002 f 150 4.2 I just replace clutch but now it sounds like it didn't have no oil and if I give it little gas noise goes away would that be the problem..thank you..
That is exactly the problem!
Im getting ready to order soon! do I need the tune? i didn't think so as the tune only makes it better right? And im not sure I am ready to spend 600 dollars on that.
you absolutely need the tune, otherwise it will have a check engine light, and run in failsafe mode
Do I still need VCT solenoids after I install this kit? Or are they there now just to keep the oil from running out? haha Dumb but serious question...
They physically need to be there, but no longer need to be plugged in
wen the phaser its new needed to locks
Just to be sure before purchasing . . . A customer only needs to install the lockout on one cam phaser, the driver side bank? You don't need to do both sides? Thanks
LAW OLMSTEAD You need to do both sides.
@@LivernoisMotorsports Thank you for the speedy reply
LAW OLMSTEAD no problem :)
Would you recommend this for high horsepower applications? I want to build a 5.4l triton with a turbo but i am scared that the stock cam phasers won't be able to handle the power
Andomosity we actually originally designed these for high power builds, and it has morphed into a necessary repair item.
Hello, I have a problem with a 2008 F150 5.4L 3V. First problem, when in cold and starting the motor sound a chain noise, the technician said that is a CHAIN TENSIONER on the passenger side. Second problem, it thrown a P0022 code (INT CAM POSITION TIMING OVER RET BAN 2), its misfiring the passenger side and the technician said maybe is a phaser... The truck was repaired of a time chain kit 2 months ago... those problems I have sounds awful and the motor starts to vibrate... I saw a lot of videos on youtube that adjudicates the problems to VCT Solenoids... and maybe could be those, but I´m not sure... What do you think? Could those Phaser Locks help to solve my problems??? For what are those made for??? What are they improvement for the motor or what is the benefits? Hope you can help me with this!! Thank you!
It definitely sounds like it's in need of our cam phaser lockout system.
What is the benefit of locking this out? What ignition do you use with it? Thanks
It end all the grief with the variable timing. No more solenoid or phaser replacement. Comes with a tuner
Is good for engine 3.6 traverse ?
Is good for engine 3.6 traverse ?
after you put thise lockout you actually cancelled the vvt system? why you did that?
Because the vct system in these us problematic and unreliable, which can cause severe engine damage. This is the only proper way to prevent this from happening.
@@LivernoisMotorsports thanks
so when are you going to offer a kit for the 2017 Raptor?
A R A lockout system? Or upgrade packages? We've never had issues with ecoboost phasers.
if I got this kit would I still be able to use edge programmer...?
+Daniel Calsada While it might technically work, we have not validated its use with any other tuner. We do sell a performance version for an added $250 that combines our performance tune with the required changes to the programming for the lockouts
Looks a lot easier with the engine on the hoist and no wires and pipes in the way! First remove the engine, then the valve covers...
my truck has a lot of noise, this can solve my problem?
+Juan Pablo Montemayor Garcia If your engine noise is due to the cam phaser system, then yes!
I've heard, though I'm not certain it makes perfect sense, that if you use a stethoscope on the valve cover you can determine the location of the noise -- and if it's at the top and the front of the valve train, it's normally the phasers.
While that is a good thing to do, and can eliminate certain things as an issue, these are almost always a phaser issue.
Does adding just one phase blocker unbalance the cam wheel?
No, we've ensured that the material used keeps everything within balanced specifications
what is the impact of this phaser lockout kit on horsepower torque emissions and reliability? have a 2004 F150 5.4 liter 3 valve that has the cam phaser problem oddly enough on the driver side Bank and I am trying to determine the best fix for it.
Vs a failed phaser often people give us feedback of improved power and economy. As for emissions, our system is actually carb legal for up to 2010. On the front of reliability, this permanently addresses the cam phaser issue making it impossible to fail the vct system ever again.
I live in Ontario and have emission standards will this kit affect that?
+Cory Broomfield Our system is CARB legal, so if they recognize California testing standards, than it will not impact your ability to pass
Thanks for the informative informational product to resolve the noise problem
+Ken Colson Thank you for the kind words!
Since Im making a hobby of fixing these engines, can I use the tuner on multiple repairs? Or does it need to stay plugged in to the truck that's repaired? Also, I seem to find broken chain guides and blown out tensioners every time so the front cover is coming off regardless...
Each tuner must be used for an individual vehicle, but it does not need to stay plugged in. We do have dealer discounts for multiple units.
If your phasers are bad and you buy the kit you still would use the old phasers?
If they are making noise, but have no physical damage, they can be reused. If you are uncertain how to check for damage properly though, definitely replace them first.
@@LivernoisMotorsports awesome thanks!
@@LivernoisMotorsports what if the cam phaser toners are broke the 3 little pins that hold the tension cant i just throw away the spring part the toner and keep the toner part that the cam shaft sensor reads since it is a locked phaser basically just a solid sprocket so could i just rid that big huge round spring???
Andres Morera It definitely needs the tone ring intact. The computer would not operate properly if it didn't see the proper number of pulses.
@@LivernoisMotorsports yes thank you for a answer your awesome!! It does need the toner for the cam sensor but not the spring that retards it back in locking place right?? So i studied the engineering i removed the spring and l liquid welded the toner with 3 metal inserts i mad a video of it iam gonna install it now with the lockouts. And if it doesn't but i have cofidence it will i can allway just buy old phasers to put my lockouts in buying new ones defeats the purpose of lockouts to save ? I making a complete backyard garage video on this just for giggles if not. I guess it into payments again new truck!! 👍👍 thank you for your response and acknowledging we modifying this things why not modify it all like the pin that goes up and down to release the phaser you should sell a solid pin that does move up and down since the phaser is not going to unlock?? Love learning this stuff
Is good for engine 3.6 traverse ?
No. This is only for a Ford 4.6/5.4 24V V8
My 2008 F-150 (5.4L) runs great while cruising around but as soon as its hot (thinner oil?), it starts to knock, rattle and jerk while sounding like you threw a handfull of loose bolts and nuts into the motor at idle or very low RPM.
To me, it sounds like a phasers issue, don't you think? Oil pressure? VVTsolenoids?
Should I change the phasers all along doing this lock trick?
thanks!
It definitely sounds like phasers, which is caused by decreased pressure. There is no need to change the phasers unless they are damaged physically.
@@LivernoisMotorsports Should I try to change the actuators before going to the oil pump? Or just block the phasers?
The timing on my 2006 5.4L is having spark advance issues. The timing under load is 3 to 4 points off. Under idle, the timing is normal. Will locking out the phasers address this issue?
The phasers can impact ignition timing, but usually not to the amount you are describing. they control cam timing mostly, and then ignition timing can changed based off of where cam timing ends up. so you'd need to look at desired vs actual camshaft timing to know.
What is the difference between your deluxe kit and your normal kit? And does one kit allow for both sides to be replaced?
Deluxe includes lockouts for both production and dormant phasers for those customers that are unsure what is inside their engine.
So how is the phaser lockout of any benefit, as you have disabled the functionality of the cam phaser system?
Seems like a backwards step?
+Fabian F The advantage is removing a well documented design flaw from the engine for those more concerned with durability and in-service life while keeping repair costs down. As of now the only way to properly retain VCT is to just rebuild the engine to factory specifications every time the engine wears down enough to cause the system to fail. Considering some trucks have this happen in under 50k miles, you ca see how expensive this can be. Being there is negligible loss in power or economy ~700 once is far better than ~7000 every few years or less.
+Livernois Motorsports If the low idle locking pin is causing the "ticking noise" problem, wouldn't it be better to create a remanufactured and improved cam phaser, so the improved low rpm torque is retained by having full functionality of the cam phaser system?
+Fabian F Actually since the vct system makes the most torque by being in the fully advanced position, disabling it does nothing to the low end torque. Additionally since the engine itself is the cause of the vct system failing, you'd need to completely reengineer the base functionality of the vct system. Being the original design cost millions of dollars, and was flawed, engineering an improved offering could easily match the original's cost, without the economics of scale helping offset the price per unit. This could mean phasers that cost more than a whole new engine costs, which to be completely honest almost no one would buy.
What happens of you dont put in the tune after the lock outs? I have a 4.6 2005 Mustang with engine codes P0022, P0340, P0193
Nayib Joya It will run in failsafe mode and set multiple codes. This will reduce power, fuel economy, and make it so it won't pass emissions.
How much is the kit for a 2010 f150 5.4? The non emissions compliant one?
We only offer these in the emissions compliant form
where can I buy this
+Dalia Ferrer www.livernoismotorsports.com/categories/Livernois-Motorsports-Exclusive-Products/Cam-Phasers-%26-Lockouts/
Is doing the tune a must after this lock out system? Will it still work with factory tune or with a performance personal tune done by a shop?
TheTruthBeTold A tune is definitely required for use with the lockouts. We've spent a great deal of time developing our tune to be as reliable as the factory tuning while accommodating these changes. So much so it's earned CARB E.O. status for emissions compliance.
And the reason for putting Lockouts on the phasers is what it seems the springs brake real easy .is this the reason?
not at all, the spring does not operate the phaser, it is only there
to help dampen movement. The phaser is oil controlled as as an engine
naturally ages, the oil pressure drops. Once it drops below a certain
point, the phaser can no longer properly function. There is still
plenty of rpessure for the engine to live a long, happy life, just not
operate the phaser. So the lockout removes that issue.
will this stop all the noise ? squeaking nocking ect
Knocking, so long as it's from the phaser, yes. Squeaking sounds like a completely different issue.
its coming from right where the phaser is. would the cam squeak ?@@LivernoisMotorsports
its the power steering pump.... appreciate it. i will call about the lockouts because a brand new ford phaser is knocking on bank 1
@@TheSeangerber Sounds good!
@@TheSeangerber Typically not, unless there's some damage from loss of oil flow.
I just had this done on my 2004 f150 and now I get terrible gas mileage. Is there anything I can do with the programming of my truck to at least get some of it back?
+Joe Bowyer Joe, if your fuel economy dropped off substantially, we would recommend going back over the install. Often times we have seen people put one lockout in backwards, causing a severe drop off
not backwards, but the programmer has two modes. which one is best?
+Joe Bowyer There is only one mode. Stock, or tuned. It requires the tuned option.
Im going to be doing a cam install and will be including the lockouts. I noticed that when you pulled the cam phaser off the cam didnt move. Did you guys remove the 3 cam followers that Ford recommends or did you just set the cam to where there are the least amount of valves open?
+MotoGPJoe1 No we did not actually. We left it complete
+Livernois Motorsports Ok thnx! With the followers in would it be hard to set down the cam and torque down the caps or is there little pressure coming from the springs to even worry about it? Ive heard people leave followers in and they just mash the cam down instead of removing the followers. This is my first time working on the motor so I just want to make sure what Ive been reading wont give me any trouble.
You can have the followers installed, and then slowly tighten the cam caps down in an even sequence, just a little bit at a time, working the cam slowly into position, while making sure not to allow too much pressure to exist on any one cap at a time.
Are these Ford factor phasers or can you use aftermarket phaser's
Nole Hopkins We have solutions for the OEM Ford and dorman phasers.
Why wouldn't you just install a new phaser?
Because they fail again, but typically in a very short time. Most people that buy our kit have put 3-4 timing sets on their truck
Hi sorry for the question but can I just fit these lock out and drive without any tunning ?
Sorry guys a read the answer further down the page I also have another question I am in Australia and we have this engine in an Australian LTD it has multipoint fuel injection will the tune kit you supply work ?
Les Groom It is not recommended to do so as it will always be running in a fault condition
Les Groom It may take some additional steps to support the vehicle, but yes we can.
Is it possible to install this without having to removing the engine?
No engine removal needed
Indeed it is, this package was designed to be installed in the vehicle.
Lockout
Does this have to be done to the other side as well?
Yes it does
What does he mean by “newer models” i have an 07 f150
Do you lock out both phasers or just 1
Both
Wouldnt this just cause it to not advance and thats pointless it seems better to have it
+Jackie Chan the VCT system doesn't advance these cams, it retards them. And since the VCT system fails, making it unable to control the cam timing at all, No, it's not pointless. These run very poorly when the VCT system fails, along with running a high risk of damaging the engine, so the locked out cam timing is far superior to that of uncontrolled cam movement.
Ok, well then would it be better to just repair it?
+Jackie Chan There is no "repair" for the phasers to keep them active. Even replacing every single part of this system only provides a temporary solution. Sometimes the noise returns within hours. That's why our lockout system is the only true way to permanently repair the noise.
As a ford tech it is very rare that people need to replace the phasers more than once if they use a ford part. The phaser rests at a full advance position(not a zero), if you are removing the phaser just replace it. Most ford techs and high end techs at independent shops laugh at this process because it only seems like backyard mechanics do it.
quiero un kit de estos para mi carro donde lo compro y cuanto cuesta?
Octavio Romo en ebay como 60 dólares
You guys are a life saver. I have an '05 mustang GT and am doing a comp cams cam swap that requires their phaser limiter kit. Well, turns out I need new phasers and they are the updated ones. Well, they say their spring lock tool ONLY works on the old phaser and not the new one. I don't understand why they have not included a spring lock tool for the newer models as well. Anyway, long story short, they lost my business as I ordered y'alls cam phaser limiters since it seems y'all are the only company to make them for these newer phasers. Thanks Livernois!
Caleb Roberts We are glad to be able to help!
Who flashes the ecm for check engine light after your install?
steelelake Our lockout kit comes with the lockouts, new cam phaser bolts, timing chain wedge tool, and the tuner to reprogram the vehicle to accommodate the deletion of the variable cam timing system.
Do I have to buy the tuner with the full kit, or can I just buy the lockouts with the timing chain wedge and phaser bolts and then have a mechanic disable the VCT system so I don't need to pay so much? Or is there something special about your tune that I need.
Yes, it is recommended to buy the tuner with the kit.
@@LivernoisMotorsports I dont believe you answered his question. Wouldn't a custom tune with vct function disable suffice?
Do you need to replace the phaser if you are going to install your kit?
Only if there is physical damage to the phaser. However, that is rare, but you should always inspect it especially in the area of the dowel pin.
I install the lock outs then the vct solenoid stack open and check light is on code p0011 and p0021 what can I do
+PASCUAL MARTINEZ Did you purchase our entire kit with tuner and all? If so, did you ensure the programmer said "programming successful"?
Si le pongo esto a mí troca lobo 2004 deja de hacer ese ruido como sitrajera una matraca
like turning off the light check engine ??
Are you asking if this would address the check engine light associated with phaser failure? If so, then yes. It indeed does.
but code fail in engine eraser???
+chuy gonzalez The tuner can scan, and clear codes, and it does address the codes that come up when the VCT system fails, but it does not effect the diagnostic functions of the computer outside of that.