Let me know what you think of videos like this. I have some ideas for videos about fake tanks or I could cover more video game tanks in the future and talk about what history, if any, they have. Or I could do a separate series on fake tanks entirely.
Do a video on the T-55 Hellcat that was put together during the Bosnian war seems like an interesting topic after watching this video. And maybe Croatian technicals/improvised AFVs during the begining years of the Croatian War of Independence.
The T-34 Sherman is even weirder in context because the crew loadout for the tank indicates it uses the early-war turret with the commander doubling as the gunner, while the declared stats for the gun indicate it is an 85mm gun.
it's simple: the turret ring of the sherman is way to wide for the late t34/76 turret. And the added cupola makes no sense either. A version with the 85 turret would have been better.
@@tigerbesteverything someone took the effort to 3D design this but didn’t take the 5 seconds to look up a picture of the 85 turret? This is why I don’t fuck with wot.
@@tigerbesteverything That hasn't stopped turrets being mounted on wider rings before. Usually either an adaptor is installed, or the hull ring is removed entirely and a smaller matching one welded in its place. Like when the French went through a phase, where they mounted the FL10 turret to everything in sight... The problems mating a turret to a hull come when you want a *wider* turret on a hull. Because turrets (tend to) come with a matching diameter basket. So yes, the original T-34 turret could be quite happily dropped in a sherman. To be honest though, the Russians hated the turret, and the crews hatten the turret... Especially after they got 85mm three man turrets. So unless some field recovery division was looking for a solution to putting a sherman hull with a blown off turret, and for some special stars alighted reason, no access to a spare turret. The better option would have been just mounting the 85mm in a modified sherman turret.
@@GrasshopperKelly You literally say explain why the original T-34 turret cannot be mounted on the Sherman with larger turret ring, them claim it can be mounted after all?
Wargaming employee: time add more content, what shall we include boss? Wargaming manager: just swap the turrets around on different hulls and call it a day
Ah, target practice! *zooms past in a Halifax, as you hear a lot of whistling noises getting louder and look up to see bombs falling* Present for the Slüg!
Problem is WG is really starting to stretch what they're deciding to include in the game. Soon we're gonna see stuff like: This tank never existed, but we found a diary where one Soviet soldier wrote "I wish we had a T-34 with 200mm of armor all around and a 152mm gun and that could go 70km/h" and drew a very crude version of it. So we made his wish real.
Personally I have no problems with the tanks that existed being added, I don't mind blueprint tanks either, it's when they create stuff out of thin air (looking at things like the annihilator, although that's in blitz) and slap it in the game for no reason that annoys me, I stopped playing WoT about a year ago and switched to WT, it's just a more enjoyable form of suffering in my opinion, anyway looking forward to your next video cone.
I left WoT over three years ago... they invent tanks, and reinvent stats for real life tanks, then when they are too good or not good enough the so called 'balancing' takes place. I popped back to WoT this year to play with a mate who was grinding, and what an awful game it is now.
WT at least tries its best in having only existing designs, prototype or production vehicles Though the addition of the M47 in the Japanese tech tree and classifying self propelled arties as "tank destroyers" is a weird thing for Gaijin to do
@@yosefvonhansom2921 the addition of M47 for the Japanese is probably to even the field. They dont really have a proper lineup, so I guess they added it to balance things out. As for the SPHs being labeled as tank destroyers, they'll maybe add more SPH and when they have enough they'll make a new class? I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that's how it will be
The 'historical description' WG have provided for the Matilda LVT is almost entirely fabricated (the only correct part regards the number of Matildas Australia received). Post War a large number of Matilda tanks were sold off for use as farm tractors, with the turrets being removed as they served no purpose in this role. The Matildas with the staghound and LVT turrets are ex-tractor tanks that have been salvaged from various rural properties and scrap yards and have had a new turret put on for display purposes but with no internal fittings (irrc the one in the green/yellow camo was used on a paintball field).
@@dawsonreum8096 Because of availability and cost postwar. For an Aussie farmer, getting a tractor imported would've been incredibly expensive but the Gov was selling off assets, like dis-armed tanks, at essentially fire sale prices.
Hey Cone will you be doing a video on Soviet Turreted Tank Destroyers, I've been really interested in the Story of the SU-100P and SU-152 Taran (Obj 120)
Fun info about the staghound Matilda tank pictured with the Australian green and yellow paint job. This Matilda has a sister and is a part of the Queensland war museum in Australia. Both tanks are used as props on a paintball field as well as a partly destroyed Apache attack helicopter. I personally have played on the field that has these tanks and I must say it is quite the sight
I wish there was playing mode for crazy tank modifications where you could build a tank from all the modules that are on its tier only limited by the weight limit that your chosen suspension type and strenght lets you. So you could even make a lets say a sherman hull with german tracks and suspension system and a turret from kv 1 or so
Any combination of hull and turret is possible, but surely turret ring diameter is the deciding factor as to whether it could handle the recoil of the gun in real life
The turret ring diameter us the deciding factor if the turret could fit. They had to match perfectly because otherwise you'd have a turret that is either not secured in place or too wide to fit.
Time to place a Centurion Conquerer or any British tank turret on a gunboat and calls it ship gun car like the Primitiveasia (the modern lesser intelligent neighbour of Malaysia) who ordered the prototype from England.
There are so many paper panzer sun the game that these combinations aren’t far from the lengths that Wargaming will go to. For example, there was only a wooden mock-up of the T71 lt in the US tech tree. The T92 lt is a premium vehicle that had 2 actual working prototypes, one still exists at Aberdeen. Since the developers of the T 71 didn’t have a concrete design they had the chance to use it in the tech tree with 2 designs with the speculations of the designers. The T92 went straight to a single design to fulfill the requirements requested. The T92 was set for production until it was discovered that the Soviets had an amphibious capable light vehicle and the T92 wasn’t, as it wasn’t in the requirements.
@KvAT It wasn't even that, the O-I Experimental, O-Ho, and O-Ni just come from fake designs the engineers working on the project made up when questioned about the O-I by the US military.
These tanks have to be a joke. No way wargaming is serious about this. Wargaming will probably put a FT-17 turret on a maus hull next year and put it as a premium to tier V
The game is already full of "fake" tanks. Some WW2 mechanic gets drunk and sketch's something stupid on a napkin that some how survives and WG adds it to the game. They are literally playing Mr Potato Head with tank parts over their. LOLOLOL
It’s funny that they didn’t use the Sherman with 122mm gun. Yeah that 122mm D54 gun… I mean the tank does exist and it might make the game even more interesting
I'm glad they didn't add it as a premium. Because I'd love to see a Yugoslav tech tree added, and the SO-122 Sherman would make for a nice tank destroyer in that tree. Also, the Tier 10 TD for Yugoslavia could be a T-54 hull with a casemate-mounted SO-203 gun. Which would bet he largest caliber non-arty in the game, eclipsing even the FV4005's 183mm. (Technically the paper project in question was meant to be an SPG. But I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have enough elevation to function as an arty in World of Tanks. So repurposing it as a TD would make more sense.)
This vid is like: Lets talk about fake allied tanks, that never existed vs Lets talk about the crazy german inventions, that really existed :D Honestly I like it to see what tanks could have been, as a fan of the superheavies i love the japanese ones and the E100. Also the E - Type tanks of germany, to see what could have been the standards. The double barrel russian tanks, in fine with that.
If I recall right, tank group in VK found all except T-34/M4 hybrid within an hour. Problem is the massive sh//tstorm that followed with people arguing if Matilda/M8/M113(cupola) abomination made by some bored rich australian counted as "historical".
I cant help but wonder if the wargaming development team and historians have access to information and documents that the average or even seasoned keyboard warriors don't.
If Wargaming would stop advertising WoT as historically accurate, I'd be more than happy to support them. The lengths they go to spread misinformation, however, is hair-pullingly frustrating.
@@thelordofcringe same here. The vehicle is meh, but I'm a total otaku when it comes to gup so I threw my card at weegee so hard it 750 damage rolled my pc.
5:30 "As long as it's made clear that these are not real tanks" Meanwhile, every single Wargaming advertisement for World of Anything: "With 100% historically accurate vehicles" in every single script handed to their promoters.
India and Israel both had Shermans up-gunned with French CN 75-50 guns. One of those Israeli Shermans also had the hull cut down to be 0.3 meters shorter to give it a lower target profile. At least one Indian Sherman was given a Soviet D-56T gun off a PT-76. Israel and Argentina also used Shermans with the French CN 105-57, though those would be functionally identical to the M4A1 Revalorisé. Yugoslavia equipped a single Sherman with a M1931/37 field gun (which was the basis of the guns mounted on the IS-2 and ISU-122) and the engine of a T-34-85. And Chile operated ex-Israeli Shermans equipped with an autoloading 60mm high-velocity gun. All of those physically existed.
World of Tanks console did something similar to this called "Mercenaries", it failed miserably Just the most ugly Abominations you've ever seen, T54 with hellcat turret, Is2 with t29 turret etc
Having a soft spot for the 35R (when I was playing WoT), the final tank goes into the 'cutely menacing' category. (And probably takes seal-clubbing to a whole new level...)
Hey cone, As a kansas native, Thank you for introducing me to a new museum in my state! I plan to checking out the House of Tank as soon as possible! I appreciate the amount of information you put into your videos
How do you mean that? Like making a production line at all like the british did with the m4 to Firefly or the soviets not having the line free for it? Just curious.
@@derrickstorm6976 That wasn't my question but still the T-34 turret would have been better for the soviets due to them producing the 76mm ammo I would say.
Personally I'm not going to complain about these 4 coming in. The first two strike as being viable for the war since it's just a turret swap rather than much else, the sort of part temporary modification that could be done by less well supplies group or similar, where they don't have the ability to get the chassis/turrets working on two of their tanks so they just swap bits over. As for the other two, they're documented vehicles even if they're sort of prototypes, so not going to raise complaints there. For the most part, Wargaming has done -far- worse for simply creating tanks that never existed, with these there's at least some level of credibility to them, or just a way of going "Ok yeah, I can see that could've happened"
The PZ.KPFW.M15 body is clearly of Italian design having the same hull as the famous 13/40 medium. Slap on a Pz38 turret and you're good to go. (Interesting to see it's also the realist tank offered in the bunch)
I thought all were fake but I'm impressed. Now I would like to watch one of these videos but with the "Yoh" heavy tanks (from USA) because they are really cursed lol
@@misterpepe118 Lol, "E" series. Are you serious? Zero is not a series. Every single tank in this video is more real than all of those nazi fantasy tanks.
2:40 and 2:45 These two matildas you had on screen looked like they took the turret of either the Ram II or the turret from the M3 Lee, or even the M7 Light/Medium tank.
No doubt that was a stupid argument. Even putting a modern turret on a concrete bunker hull (Pantherturm) wasnt considered a waste. Soviets were not producing new types of ammunition (APCR shells) for lend-lease tanks.
I like the juxtaposition comparison contrast real-world versus fantasy keep up the good work I like to see more this kind of things in more lines of work around the world across-the-board
With Sherman T-34 combo. I can see how this could be done. Imagine Eastern front, some place, winter 1942. You are sieged/encircled and you have to defend. You have Sherman with broken turret and destroyed T-34. All you need to do is make turret ring adjuster to fit small T-34 turret on Sherman hull. Could have been both Leningrad/Stalingrad and many other places.
The phrase "turret ring adjuster" opens a whole can of worms, but also cutting the roof off of the T-34 hull and welding it over the Sherman's turret ring would be the easiest and most likely method to perform on a battlefield. Turret would probably end up off-centre and maybe a bit wonky but you've got a whole tank now.
@@Axquirix T-34 turret is light. Its much lighter than sherman one. So making like sherman sized turret bottom adjusted with inner ring to fit T-34 turret wont be much of a problem.
I remember looking through a folio style book about the M4 series in a university library. In the chapter on proposed variants there was a drawing of a set of offset gears at the engine, the drive shaft running along the floor of the hull, then a second set of offset gears at the transmission. The top of the hull lost its hump and was flush with the top of the engine deck, for an overall lower height. In the text it mentioned a proposal to fit the M26 turret to the M4 because their turret rings were the same. I thought it would have been interesting to combine both of those modifications.
The thing about this is that it feels like WG are doing something like the Mercenary tanks from console. They had an AT 2 with the German 10,5 howitzer.
Yes, once they have gone scraping barrel bottom from all soviet paper tanks and upscaled them until enough are sold and the nerf like they do with every vehicle. Fuck wargaming for p2w bullshit. WT aint much better, but least damage is depicted realistically.
The Matilda with Staghound turret belonged to a collector in Mareeba, Queensland. It was in the all yellow paint as of 2001. In Australia after the war many obsolete tanks were sold off, many were bought by farmers who wanted to use them as tractors. Invariably they would get rid of the turret. Usually a lot of the upper hulls would be chopped off, and locally made dozer blades or tree pushers attached. This particular Matilda somehow escaped the farmer's oxy torch, but the turret was long gone. The Staghound turret was what was available.
My first thought when i saw these tanks was that its some tanks for halloween or something "frankenstein tanks". But seeing that the 2 of fhem had some "realism" in them suprised me.
An M3 Lee turret ring is 1384mm, while a T-34-85's is 1600mm. So I doubt that'd be possible. The original T-34 on the other hand has a 1425mm turret ring, so there might (barely) be room for that conversion.
I can think of a few reasons to stick a Matilda turret on an LVT hull. Increased turret armor over the LVT turret, the Aussies and New Zealanders lacking ammunition for American guns in some areas, and reduced ground pressure over the Matilda hull on soft ground are a few I can think of why a field modification would be made that would result in this tank.
@@pecazidle lol poor thing's corrugated steel armor would crumple under the weight of nearly any turret of the ww2 era but if you could get it to work it'd be hilarious.
The turret shown on the Matilda in the game image is actually a proposed modification of the M8 Howitzer Motor Carriage (HMC). The 75mm howitzer M3 was replaced with the 75mm gun M3 (as used by the M4 Sherman), hence the longer gun tube. One prototype did exist (see page 302 in Richard Hunnicutt's book Stuart: a History of the American Light Tank Vol. 1); it was offered as a potential tank destroyer, but was supplanted by the T70 (which became standardized as the M18 Hellcat) and never produced. Since the turret fitted to the LVT(A)4 was similar to (if not the same as) the M8 HMC's, the "nomenclature" is understandable. As for putting said turret on an A12 Matilda hull, it gives me, a builder of WW2 armor models, a neat kitbashing idea. I've already done the Italian hull/Czech turret build (as best I can), and have an R35 hull/T26 turret build in the offing. Thank you for the video; I'm always looking for new build subjects (actual or not).
I got an idea for a fake WW2 tank, Take a Panther A hull place a R.R Meteor engine and extend the back out to make room for it and Panther G turret with a 17 pdr gun and turret mounted 30. cal, and of course a transmission that doesn't break every time it gets used and 20mm side plating along the sides and then track layered on the front for 'spaced' armor and the hull gunner removed for extra ammo
That "LVT" turret Im pretty sure is nothing more than the M8 Scott HMC turret. The original 75mm howitzer uses same mounts as the 75mm M3 in the Sherman. This would be the same turret setup as WOT's tier 4 US TD M8 with 75mm gun.
The LVT turret was fitted to a matilda hull for show post war. Why doesn't wargaming make the AC3 thunderbolt and AC$. AT the same time, fix the power to weight and the ground resistance (similar to M4A3E8)
actually it was more a "Why bother improving the sherman, just go get your T-34/85" now, the reality is much more complex. the M4 is the inferior tank, but most of the russian M4s survived the War, the same is not true for the T34/85s. the reality is that the Russians knew the Sherman, once it was available, held a critical advantage over every other tank in the war: The Sherman is designed to Fight in.
Let me know what you think of videos like this. I have some ideas for videos about fake tanks or I could cover more video game tanks in the future and talk about what history, if any, they have. Or I could do a separate series on fake tanks entirely.
call it "Cursed by WG" 😂
i love these videos
Was interested in learning about the Soviet Turreted Tank Destroyers especially the SU-100P and SU-152 Taran (Obj 120)
#Shorts ? Doesn’t fit right
Do a video on the T-55 Hellcat that was put together during the Bosnian war seems like an interesting topic after watching this video. And maybe Croatian technicals/improvised AFVs during the begining years of the Croatian War of Independence.
The T-34 Sherman is even weirder in context because the crew loadout for the tank indicates it uses the early-war turret with the commander doubling as the gunner, while the declared stats for the gun indicate it is an 85mm gun.
it's simple: the turret ring of the sherman is way to wide for the late t34/76 turret. And the added cupola makes no sense either. A version with the 85 turret would have been better.
@@tigerbesteverything someone took the effort to 3D design this but didn’t take the 5 seconds to look up a picture of the 85 turret? This is why I don’t fuck with wot.
@@tigerbesteverything That hasn't stopped turrets being mounted on wider rings before. Usually either an adaptor is installed, or the hull ring is removed entirely and a smaller matching one welded in its place. Like when the French went through a phase, where they mounted the FL10 turret to everything in sight...
The problems mating a turret to a hull come when you want a *wider* turret on a hull. Because turrets (tend to) come with a matching diameter basket.
So yes, the original T-34 turret could be quite happily dropped in a sherman.
To be honest though, the Russians hated the turret, and the crews hatten the turret... Especially after they got 85mm three man turrets.
So unless some field recovery division was looking for a solution to putting a sherman hull with a blown off turret, and for some special stars alighted reason, no access to a spare turret. The better option would have been just mounting the 85mm in a modified sherman turret.
@@GrasshopperKelly You literally say explain why the original T-34 turret cannot be mounted on the Sherman with larger turret ring, them claim it can be mounted after all?
@@magww1 game is running out of ideas lmao. at this point swapping modules is all they can come up with for low tier tanks.
Wargaming employee: time add more content, what shall we include boss?
Wargaming manager: just swap the turrets around on different hulls and call it a day
funnily enough, they do the exact same thing in world of warships.
borrasque moment
is it a posible... the sturm god.. pls bles me
Ah, target practice! *zooms past in a Halifax, as you hear a lot of whistling noises getting louder and look up to see bombs falling* Present for the Slüg!
Problem is WG is really starting to stretch what they're deciding to include in the game.
Soon we're gonna see stuff like: This tank never existed, but we found a diary where one Soviet soldier wrote "I wish we had a T-34 with 200mm of armor all around and a 152mm gun and that could go 70km/h" and drew a very crude version of it. So we made his wish real.
You've basically described the Chinese tanks which have been in the game for years.
I liked the crazy tanks in wot but not really anything else. I wish war thunder would include some more paper tanks for funzies.
Problem is that WG is the most greedy company
You mean... lets take out WTF2000 because its a fantasy tank ... but quimera isn´t? or grille 15?
@@kebabseverim3364 THE most greedy company? Are you forgetting that most Western companies are greedier?
Personally I have no problems with the tanks that existed being added, I don't mind blueprint tanks either, it's when they create stuff out of thin air (looking at things like the annihilator, although that's in blitz) and slap it in the game for no reason that annoys me, I stopped playing WoT about a year ago and switched to WT, it's just a more enjoyable form of suffering in my opinion, anyway looking forward to your next video cone.
Yes
I left WoT over three years ago... they invent tanks, and reinvent stats for real life tanks, then when they are too good or not good enough the so called 'balancing' takes place. I popped back to WoT this year to play with a mate who was grinding, and what an awful game it is now.
WT at least tries its best in having only existing designs, prototype or production vehicles
Though the addition of the M47 in the Japanese tech tree and classifying self propelled arties as "tank destroyers" is a weird thing for Gaijin to do
@@yosefvonhansom2921 the addition of M47 for the Japanese is probably to even the field. They dont really have a proper lineup, so I guess they added it to balance things out. As for the SPHs being labeled as tank destroyers, they'll maybe add more SPH and when they have enough they'll make a new class? I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that's how it will be
How's the grinding going? just 2 more years for a tier 6 lineup for one country?
The 'historical description' WG have provided for the Matilda LVT is almost entirely fabricated (the only correct part regards the number of Matildas Australia received). Post War a large number of Matilda tanks were sold off for use as farm tractors, with the turrets being removed as they served no purpose in this role. The Matildas with the staghound and LVT turrets are ex-tractor tanks that have been salvaged from various rural properties and scrap yards and have had a new turret put on for display purposes but with no internal fittings (irrc the one in the green/yellow camo was used on a paintball field).
If that's the case we will soon be seing a m4 sherman with a m46 turret because that thing exists in korea as a wreck
I just love the idea of a farm tractor with 75mm of armor.
@@jaysherman2615 its incase Emu started another war in Australia
@@jaysherman2615 Don't know why someone would want it though, imagine all the extra fuel it would need.
@@dawsonreum8096 Because of availability and cost postwar. For an Aussie farmer, getting a tractor imported would've been incredibly expensive but the Gov was selling off assets, like dis-armed tanks, at essentially fire sale prices.
Hey Cone will you be doing a video on Soviet Turreted Tank Destroyers, I've been really interested in the Story of the SU-100P and SU-152 Taran (Obj 120)
Begone, anime pfp
@@broderzzcompany *Angry Iron noises*
Just be sure to remember
Tank destroyers are not tank destroyers under Soviet doctrine, they are just tanks and are treated as such
@@tommypeds I just hate anime lmao, no offence to anyone
@@broderzzcompany
But why do you hate Anime? Is it because it's better than modern western media?
Fun info about the staghound Matilda tank pictured with the Australian green and yellow paint job. This Matilda has a sister and is a part of the Queensland war museum in Australia. Both tanks are used as props on a paintball field as well as a partly destroyed Apache attack helicopter. I personally have played on the field that has these tanks and I must say it is quite the sight
Where is the paintball field?
@@normak7041 in australia i presume
I wish there was playing mode for crazy tank modifications where you could build a tank from all the modules that are on its tier only limited by the weight limit that your chosen suspension type and strenght lets you. So you could even make a lets say a sherman hull with german tracks and suspension system and a turret from kv 1 or so
Ye, i'll wait for that gamemode in 2092
I've read an article in WoT's website with a similar premise back in like . . . 2014 though
WoT 2077
You can try playing sprocket, you can build your own tank from scratch
@@oakwhelie i have but its no anywhere near the gameplay quality of wot just simple tank crafting so far
Any combination of hull and turret is possible, but surely turret ring diameter is the deciding factor as to whether it could handle the recoil of the gun in real life
Looks at Panther 2 with 88mm L/100
And weight!
The turret ring diameter us the deciding factor if the turret could fit. They had to match perfectly because otherwise you'd have a turret that is either not secured in place or too wide to fit.
Time to place a Centurion Conquerer or any British tank turret on a gunboat and calls it ship gun car like the Primitiveasia (the modern lesser intelligent neighbour of Malaysia) who ordered the prototype from England.
@@Azachor you can always modify the ring to be smaller, but not really bigger.
There are so many paper panzer sun the game that these combinations aren’t far from the lengths that Wargaming will go to. For example, there was only a wooden mock-up of the T71 lt in the US tech tree. The T92 lt is a premium vehicle that had 2 actual working prototypes, one still exists at Aberdeen. Since the developers of the T 71 didn’t have a concrete design they had the chance to use it in the tech tree with 2 designs with the speculations of the designers. The T92 went straight to a single design to fulfill the requirements requested.
The T92 was set for production until it was discovered that the Soviets had an amphibious capable light vehicle and the T92 wasn’t, as it wasn’t in the requirements.
So you're saying there's a chance of the Tsar tank?
@KvAT It wasn't even that, the O-I Experimental, O-Ho, and O-Ni just come from fake designs the engineers working on the project made up when questioned about the O-I by the US military.
T92 is in WT. It's pretty good. Just has a high repair cost.
Even if they're fake, props to WarGambling for making them look cool.
WarGambling?
@@ready4play934 yes
Yes the true name of wargaming,
@@ready4play934
Gayjin and Wargambling
Problem?
I smell a WG supporter
Chose your fighter:
WORLD OF TANKS: unrealistic suffering
WAR THUNDER: realistic suffering
Lol, War thunder realistic. :D :D :D
@@Paciat War Thunder is "realistic" in that it doesn't have hit points and doesn't use blueprint-only vehicles. That's the extent of the "realism".
These tanks have to be a joke. No way wargaming is serious about this.
Wargaming will probably put a FT-17 turret on a maus hull next year and put it as a premium to tier V
The game is already full of "fake" tanks. Some WW2 mechanic gets drunk and sketch's something stupid on a napkin that some how survives and WG adds it to the game. They are literally playing Mr Potato Head with tank parts over their. LOLOLOL
Unfinished irl prototypes, and irl Tank blueprint concepts, you name it.
@@moisesezequielgutierrez yes, many of them are on blueprint or unfinished prototype
Maus turret on ft-17
I see you never saw the Aufklarens Panther Panzer. Panther hull, with a tiny turret as the T7 light tank
It’s funny that they didn’t use the Sherman with 122mm gun. Yeah that 122mm D54 gun… I mean the tank does exist and it might make the game even more interesting
Doesn't it also have a t-34 engine and transmission
The SO-122, right?
@@sethmullins8346 yes
I'm glad they didn't add it as a premium. Because I'd love to see a Yugoslav tech tree added, and the SO-122 Sherman would make for a nice tank destroyer in that tree.
Also, the Tier 10 TD for Yugoslavia could be a T-54 hull with a casemate-mounted SO-203 gun. Which would bet he largest caliber non-arty in the game, eclipsing even the FV4005's 183mm. (Technically the paper project in question was meant to be an SPG. But I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have enough elevation to function as an arty in World of Tanks. So repurposing it as a TD would make more sense.)
@@RedXlV I don’t play world of tanks nor do I care to.
This vid is like: Lets talk about fake allied tanks, that never existed vs Lets talk about the crazy german inventions, that really existed :D
Honestly I like it to see what tanks could have been, as a fan of the superheavies i love the japanese ones and the E100. Also the E - Type tanks of germany, to see what could have been the standards. The double barrel russian tanks, in fine with that.
If I recall right, tank group in VK found all except T-34/M4 hybrid within an hour. Problem is the massive sh//tstorm that followed with people arguing if Matilda/M8/M113(cupola) abomination made by some bored rich australian counted as "historical".
I haven't seen their conversation, but I imagine the Matilda M8/113's turret can't even rotate
I cant help but wonder if the wargaming development team and historians have access to information and documents that the average or even seasoned keyboard warriors don't.
If Wargaming would stop advertising WoT as historically accurate, I'd be more than happy to support them. The lengths they go to spread misinformation, however, is hair-pullingly frustrating.
No joke, the girls und panzer crew and tank is more accurate than half the stuff in wot, at least its inspired by a real tank.
Could say the same for WT, when tf are certain tanks going to get accurate armour thickness, shells, pen
WoT referring the historically accurate to the historically accurate tanks like Toger and Shermanus
@@TolerablyInterested I only play wot for that tank tbh
@@thelordofcringe same here. The vehicle is meh, but I'm a total otaku when it comes to gup so I threw my card at weegee so hard it 750 damage rolled my pc.
5:30 "As long as it's made clear that these are not real tanks"
Meanwhile, every single Wargaming advertisement for World of Anything: "With 100% historically accurate vehicles" in every single script handed to their promoters.
I'm pretty sure they said "hundreds of historical vehicles", not 100%.
@@vanquilknight6270 Correct
I mean, not to justify it, but literally every game in the genre (minus WoT Blitz) does that.
WT and WoT are just the biggest, and most notorious.
*Sprocket has entered the chat.*
6 minutes is the shortest of shorts
I was gonna say lol
Was hoping if Wargaming gonna add more Sherman tank variant. Especially the French one.
This one ua-cam.com/video/4218ZEwbJCE/v-deo.html
India and Israel both had Shermans up-gunned with French CN 75-50 guns. One of those Israeli Shermans also had the hull cut down to be 0.3 meters shorter to give it a lower target profile. At least one Indian Sherman was given a Soviet D-56T gun off a PT-76. Israel and Argentina also used Shermans with the French CN 105-57, though those would be functionally identical to the M4A1 Revalorisé. Yugoslavia equipped a single Sherman with a M1931/37 field gun (which was the basis of the guns mounted on the IS-2 and ISU-122) and the engine of a T-34-85. And Chile operated ex-Israeli Shermans equipped with an autoloading 60mm high-velocity gun.
All of those physically existed.
quite a few 'french' sherman variants already in the game (2 at the moment).
World of Tanks console did something similar to this called "Mercenaries", it failed miserably
Just the most ugly Abominations you've ever seen, T54 with hellcat turret, Is2 with t29 turret etc
Wait a game actually had the t54 with m18 turret tank in it?
t54 with hellcat turret actually happened though.
@@lsq7833 won't be surprised if the T-54/Hellcat hybrid came from Yugoslavia
@@yosefvonhansom2921 it actually did, funny enough. And from the 90s if I am not wrong
The mercenaries are very popular in the Xbox version of WOT
Next time wargaming will make a Jackpot that mixes random tank parts and creates aberrations
I like the look of the Matilda its interestings. Almost like they tried to make it a TD
Having a soft spot for the 35R (when I was playing WoT), the final tank goes into the 'cutely menacing' category.
(And probably takes seal-clubbing to a whole new level...)
Strong armor for a Tier 2 and the 45mm gun is probably the best Tier 2 gun in the game. It will be an absolute menace for sure if it is released.
The Tier 4 Matilda is my favourite tank from seal clubbing. With the reload speed of 1.7 second, is a blast.
Wg: Oh no we are running out of premium tanks to sell, what should we do?
Wg Employee: Take a tank’s hull and add another tank’s turret
The original login music ;-;
The feelssssss
Hey cone, As a kansas native, Thank you for introducing me to a new museum in my state! I plan to checking out the House of Tank as soon as possible! I appreciate the amount of information you put into your videos
Love the fact that you put the old login screen music in the background
1:25 Wouldn't the process of creating a production program have been one of the hindrances to the proposed idea?
How do you mean that? Like making a production line at all like the british did with the m4 to Firefly or the soviets not having the line free for it? Just curious.
@@shadowraven3253 yea but the q7 pounder was a definite improvement over the 75mm, the 75mm and 76mm on the T-34 were pretty equal.
@@derrickstorm6976 That wasn't my question but still the T-34 turret would have been better for the soviets due to them producing the 76mm ammo I would say.
I feel like one of the coolest benefits of WoT/WT is seeing prototype/what if tanks in action
You should call the Video "Wargaming. Real, Paper or Fake tank."
I personally believe these will be part of the Well Deserved Reward or next year's anniversary event.
Personally I'm not going to complain about these 4 coming in. The first two strike as being viable for the war since it's just a turret swap rather than much else, the sort of part temporary modification that could be done by less well supplies group or similar, where they don't have the ability to get the chassis/turrets working on two of their tanks so they just swap bits over.
As for the other two, they're documented vehicles even if they're sort of prototypes, so not going to raise complaints there.
For the most part, Wargaming has done -far- worse for simply creating tanks that never existed, with these there's at least some level of credibility to them, or just a way of going "Ok yeah, I can see that could've happened"
Sherman with t-34 turret 😂more likely a child putting a wrong part in lego
The PZ.KPFW.M15 body is clearly of Italian design having the same hull as the famous 13/40 medium. Slap on a Pz38 turret and you're good to go. (Interesting to see it's also the realist tank offered in the bunch)
Yeah I recognized that to.
Also the R35 hybrid's turret looks to heavy for it to move.
It uses the hull of the Italian M15/42, and was built by Germany for the puppet state they set up in Croatia (Ustashe).
Sprocket players are having a field day
I thought all were fake but I'm impressed. Now I would like to watch one of these videos but with the "Yoh" heavy tanks (from USA) because they are really cursed lol
I'm planning to cover the Yoh tanks but I need to find more information first
@@ConeOfArc that's nice, what about the "E" series on German tanks? E 25, E 50, E 100, etc.
@@misterpepe118 Lol, "E" series. Are you serious? Zero is not a series. Every single tank in this video is more real than all of those nazi fantasy tanks.
"These tanks aren't even real"
*WOT Mobile: very nervous breathing*
I feel like the tanks should be in the Blitz version not the PC version because Blitz has quite a few fantasy tanks
If it's made up by wargaming it's gonna be op
Smasher, Annihilator, maybe Dracula
true but barely anyone play it
@@sunsys6330 Blitz has a lot of players. Maybe even more than the original one.
@@katyusha1283 no i mean the lower tier tanks
2:40 and 2:45 These two matildas you had on screen looked like they took the turret of either the Ram II or the turret from the M3 Lee, or even the M7 Light/Medium tank.
"no need to waste a T34 turret on a Sherman"
Did you mean "no need to waste a Sherman on a T34 turret?"
No.
No doubt that was a stupid argument. Even putting a modern turret on a concrete bunker hull (Pantherturm) wasnt considered a waste. Soviets were not producing new types of ammunition (APCR shells) for lend-lease tanks.
I like the juxtaposition comparison contrast real-world versus fantasy keep up the good work I like to see more this kind of things in more lines of work around the world across-the-board
Matilda LVT: *exists*
Royal Navy: Welcome to the submarine force.
Thx cone for confirming their historical accuracy.
With Sherman T-34 combo. I can see how this could be done. Imagine Eastern front, some place, winter 1942. You are sieged/encircled and you have to defend. You have Sherman with broken turret and destroyed T-34. All you need to do is make turret ring adjuster to fit small T-34 turret on Sherman hull.
Could have been both Leningrad/Stalingrad and many other places.
The phrase "turret ring adjuster" opens a whole can of worms, but also cutting the roof off of the T-34 hull and welding it over the Sherman's turret ring would be the easiest and most likely method to perform on a battlefield. Turret would probably end up off-centre and maybe a bit wonky but you've got a whole tank now.
@@Axquirix T-34 turret is light. Its much lighter than sherman one. So making like sherman sized turret bottom adjusted with inner ring to fit T-34 turret wont be much of a problem.
"Could have" and "Did" are two very different things
I figured these things were for a special event, maybe for Halloween(would be easy as "frankentanks")
Thats why I play wt, so I can suffer realistically 😂😂😭
sure, slapping spitfires with aim9b is realistic
@@RFi731 wargaming shill
@@d1d4ct85 Yeah, we all like if Italian pizza van from sixties blasts trough our riveted armor from 1942. But it makes in very realistic way , yay!
@@pecazidle seethe cope dilate and cry boomer
@@d1d4ct85 I ´m actually something like Xennial from post-soviet background. So something like Gorbatschowennial??
I remember looking through a folio style book about the M4 series in a university library. In the chapter on proposed variants there was a drawing of a set of offset gears at the engine, the drive shaft running along the floor of the hull, then a second set of offset gears at the transmission. The top of the hull lost its hump and was flush with the top of the engine deck, for an overall lower height. In the text it mentioned a proposal to fit the M26 turret to the M4 because their turret rings were the same. I thought it would have been interesting to combine both of those modifications.
WoT is really turning into a joke.
Indeed
Always has
I switched to Armoured Warfare 2 years ago, it is more fun with actually working PvE and an OK PvP
The thing about this is that it feels like WG are doing something like the Mercenary tanks from console.
They had an AT 2 with the German 10,5 howitzer.
Waiting for the WT-ards to hate on WoT for literally the same reason for years and saying WT is the best tank game 🥱
Wait for the Wot-tards to hate on Wt for literally the same reason for years and saying Wot is the best tank game 🥱
0:26, I un ironically saw the actual photograph for that tank earlier today
as soon as wargaming got their hands on "sprocket" game, they started selling "new premium """"""TANKS"""""""
Yes, once they have gone scraping barrel bottom from all soviet paper tanks and upscaled them until enough are sold and the nerf like they do with every vehicle. Fuck wargaming for p2w bullshit. WT aint much better, but least damage is depicted realistically.
I'm so excited for the 35R/T-26 mashup. One of my favorite historic mashup tanks.
I had no idea there was a tank museum in my home town. Not even on iOS maps and doesn’t have any reviews. Definitely gonna check this out
I am waiting for Cone making/designing his own tank.
The Lee? To large without enough firepower? My boy has more guns than Cater has liver pills.
The first panzer looks like an Italian chassis with a czechslovakian turrent
The Matilda with Staghound turret belonged to a collector in Mareeba, Queensland. It was in the all yellow paint as of 2001. In Australia after the war many obsolete tanks were sold off, many were bought by farmers who wanted to use them as tractors. Invariably they would get rid of the turret. Usually a lot of the upper hulls would be chopped off, and locally made dozer blades or tree pushers attached. This particular Matilda somehow escaped the farmer's oxy torch, but the turret was long gone. The Staghound turret was what was available.
They look CURSED...... wow, they are real? More CURSED.
As far ,as u remember from my reading,there WERE numerous tries to upgun the Valentine & Matilda in Soviet Union during the war.
When I was a kid, I used to swap the turrets on Roco miniature tanks.
When wargaming runs out of tank designs
My first thought when i saw these tanks was that its some tanks for halloween or something "frankenstein tanks". But seeing that the 2 of fhem had some "realism" in them suprised me.
I knew it. Someone in WG played too much Sprocket.
And the Sherman is powered by an HL230 with a 17 pounder in that early T-34 turret
I would spend real money for a memed out m3 t34-85 with the extra machine-gun cupula on top
An M3 Lee turret ring is 1384mm, while a T-34-85's is 1600mm. So I doubt that'd be possible. The original T-34 on the other hand has a 1425mm turret ring, so there might (barely) be room for that conversion.
There is another of the matilda/staghound things in cairns hiding away behind a shed at the armour and artillery museum
The M4A2 T-34 is an absolute monstrosity.
Wargaming loves finding some proposal similar to what they want that never made it past one drawing
2:46 the turret on the Mathilda mk2 also look like a M22 Locust
I can think of a few reasons to stick a Matilda turret on an LVT hull. Increased turret armor over the LVT turret, the Aussies and New Zealanders lacking ammunition for American guns in some areas, and reduced ground pressure over the Matilda hull on soft ground are a few I can think of why a field modification would be made that would result in this tank.
Matilda turret on Bob Semple tank!
@@pecazidle lol poor thing's corrugated steel armor would crumple under the weight of nearly any turret of the ww2 era but if you could get it to work it'd be hilarious.
at 1:03 the tank on the left is a very early model T-34-85 with the D-5T gun
The turret shown on the Matilda in the game image is actually a proposed modification of the M8 Howitzer Motor Carriage (HMC). The 75mm howitzer M3 was replaced with the 75mm gun M3 (as used by the M4 Sherman), hence the longer gun tube. One prototype did exist (see page 302 in Richard Hunnicutt's book Stuart: a History of the American Light Tank Vol. 1); it was offered as a potential tank destroyer, but was supplanted by the T70 (which became standardized as the M18 Hellcat) and never produced. Since the turret fitted to the LVT(A)4 was similar to (if not the same as) the M8 HMC's, the "nomenclature" is understandable. As for putting said turret on an A12 Matilda hull, it gives me, a builder of WW2 armor models, a neat kitbashing idea. I've already done the Italian hull/Czech turret build (as best I can), and have an R35 hull/T26 turret build in the offing. Thank you for the video; I'm always looking for new build subjects (actual or not).
I like the Ford 3 ton in the intro, it’s a cute tank
Turret/Hull swapping with little regard to whether or not the tank existed opens up such a rabbithole of weird designs.
"Let's recreate that cursed tank in sprocket!"
- someone
I got an idea for a fake WW2 tank, Take a Panther A hull place a R.R Meteor engine and extend the back out to make room for it and Panther G turret with a 17 pdr gun and turret mounted 30. cal, and of course a transmission that doesn't break every time it gets used and 20mm side plating along the sides and then track layered on the front for 'spaced' armor and the hull gunner removed for extra ammo
I'd prefer Britain simply get "Cuckoo", the rather well-documented Panther G captured and used by the 4th Coldstreams Guards.
Dont forget the Annihilator, Smasher, Dracula, and Helsing in WoT Blitz
This Is What They Called "Unrealistic Suffering"
1:35 ive seen this particular T-34, its at the American Heritage museum
God that T-34 Sherman looks cursed
Imagine
Matilda Firefly
Bigger Matilda Turret but instead of a QF 2-Pounder, a QF 17-Pounder
Well, good luck getting them. As they will be in Lock Boxes. Happy gambling!
In world of tanks console there’s a tech tree called mercenaries tanks. Not gonna explain what they are because I don’t wanna spoil what they are.
Cone, soft factors like ergonomics and reliability are factors that cause proposals of such modifications
That "LVT" turret Im pretty sure is nothing more than the M8 Scott HMC turret. The original 75mm howitzer uses same mounts as the 75mm M3 in the Sherman. This would be the same turret setup as WOT's tier 4 US TD M8 with 75mm gun.
Honestly a Sherman rebuilt to be like a SU series assault gun would be pretty rad looking.
Just go look at Lee :D
yea just like the pz3s that got turned into su76s
I have built cursed tanks by modifying plastic kits. Like having a Jackolope on display.
The PZ.KPFW.M 15 looks a bit like an Italian tank a turret from a Chez tank.
A recommendation for a Cursed by Design video. The Soviet StuG, Su-76I and it's variants.
Somewhere right now i bet Gaijin employee is taking notes to add these to WT xD
I really don't mind if they add those fictional tank designs, as long they balance the heck out of it
I think this type of videos will make for fine content. A good one as usual
I was bored in my math class 2½ years ago and I drew what I called a Matilda Gun Carrier. WG's Matilda LVT looks exactly the same.
Do You think WG would fake me a KV-1 double barrel 57mm?!
Nick Rivers song, I wish theyall could be double barrel.... You know, Skeet Surfin'
The LVT turret was fitted to a matilda hull for show post war. Why doesn't wargaming make the AC3 thunderbolt and AC$. AT the same time, fix the power to weight and the ground resistance (similar to M4A3E8)
Yeah they sometime use discontinued ideas or projects
Russians: "We should not modify the M4 Shermans. Doing so may offend the Americans."
British: "Sir, the 17 pounder won't fit!"
actually it was more a "Why bother improving the sherman, just go get your T-34/85"
now, the reality is much more complex. the M4 is the inferior tank, but most of the russian M4s survived the War, the same is not true for the T34/85s. the reality is that the Russians knew the Sherman, once it was available, held a critical advantage over every other tank in the war: The Sherman is designed to Fight in.