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@@panzerlite8108 Durring the WW2 Czechs has made a project of medium tank called T-25. It was never build as Germans had no interest in it. But the autoloading gun, which was designed for it (Skoda A18), was built after the war and tested by mounting it to one of the Tigers Germans were so generous to leave behind.
I recall Jingles featured a replay about a month ago with the main player in a Ho-Ni III, and he was railing on it about being "a 3rd version of a tank that didn't exist." I am pleased you managed to correct that.
the Chi-To SP was most likely made as it is for tech tree homogenous gameplay style as if the Ka-To was used if would have the only open top turreted in the whole line
When I first heard Chi-To SP, I thought of the vehicle from WT. But that's the Chi-Ha LG, I think. So, they could have TWO open top turreted vehicles in the line. ;)
@@jwenting Or possibly a second branch for turreted TDs with the Na-To and Ka-To, and the Komatsu B78 105GSR. And whatever fictional vehicle Wargaming might invent to fill Tier 10 (probably a Type 61 hull with fictional "120GSR" turret). And the Chi-Ha Long Gun could be the premium turreted TD.
The Japanese TDs really aren't that bad looking at it, tier 8 to 10 kinda stretch it a lot though. But the Tier 5 and 6 TDs were pretty good, especially with Tier 5 actually existing as it is depicted in game. Honestly I think Tier 3 to 7 is the best range of tiers for historical tanks with Tiers one and two being filled by concepts, early interwar prototypes, or lighter tanks that were outdated by WW2. Tier 8 has hit or miss tanks depending on the nation, and Tier 9 and 10 are pretty much they either actually existed or were complete fabrications by Wargaming.
A little disappointed the Japanese TD line was added well after Wargaming ditched low tier TDs, would've been neat to see the Type 5 Ho-Ru in the game. Very little documentation on it exists much like the Ho-Ris but that hasn't stopped Wargaming before, and it's not stopping them now.
Fun Fact: The Japanese TD were first introduced in Worlds of Tanks Blitz and its a Underrated Tank Unlike in PC the WoTB Jap TDs doesnt have a full line like in the game you begin with the Chi To SPG in Tier VII and you make it to the Last 3 Ho Ri The Ho Ri III being the Tier X instead of the Ferdinand looking one Its considered to be Underrated in WoTB cause they didn't explain how Shell normalization work but seriously the Premium shell of the Ho-Ri can butter through a Maus and has a very troll armor which is frustrating when fighting it from long range
I mean the armor is troll and that, but the amount of penetration and reload the Ho-ri III (ferdinand looking one) has in blitz is technically crazy, having more premium pen than a JGe100. Sadly the reality, for me, is that the tank is just a troll armor glass canon.
@@sekai2914 its really a Hit or miss when your playing it Offensively Your basically going to be a FV 183 which heavily relies on your team to make those enemies pop out of their hiding spots However in a Defense.... Ohoho you gonna have much fun because of the Reload of the Ho Ri
not all the time, I actually use this thing as a close quarters support occasionally and it's so funny to see people so confused why a Ho-Ri III is able to bully a few mediums in 10 seconds flat
The Japanese tank destroyers was taken from the blitz property. The tanks previously exist in blitz, but they placed it in the console version, with some changes. You should add the blitz version as well. Sad you didn't include it
@@anotheryoutubeidiot8785 probably, but it wouldn't hurt though if he included it. Although it's up to him to do it or not, I think he hasn't yet look on the origin of these tanks. Which is unfortunate.
@@anotheryoutubeidiot8785 also he didn't talk about the armour thickness and how accurate it is, or even another components like the engine placement and crew layout. I think this video is too short tbh
One thing that I loved when I played WoT were realistic battles events made by the community. You basically made a predetermined layout of vehicles based on how many tanks each army had at X time, and you could only use them with realistic modules. I recall playing a match with a Panther, where the team was 1 Tiger, 3 Panthers and a mix of Pz IV (modules based on the ausf. G) and StuG III G. It was usually unbalanced, given how WoT works, but still funny.
The entire czech heavy line is fake, they took mid cold war soviet tanks and made "possible guesses" into what they would have been had they been designed as heavy tanks. vz55's turret is based on the t-62m with a raised cupola. the vz 51 has a stock turret based on the t-55 while its top turret is a t-55am turret with an elongated back, presumably to make room for the autoloader(on pc, at least). The skoda t56 is a n interesting spin on the early t-54 mod 1947 with the gunner sight from later models also slapped on. The tnh 105/1000, meanwhile, maybe a one of the variants for the tvp project that ckd made, or was a spin based on the tvp vtu(which is also part of the same project). Or it was a design by praga, also in the same TVP project and was designsted TNH tA(no clue what it means)
Hey can you look at the tanks and "mobile tanks" of Mobile Suit Gundam. For example the Type 61 mbt, Zaku Tank, Hldolfr, Guntank and Assault Guntank of the UC Gundam timeline. The game Gundam Battle Operation 2 has them.
You can build some vehicles as close to history as possible for Example the more well know tanks like Shermans, Tigers, Panthers etc. But then they would just be bad at the game or at least much more difficult to play.
I think they should just add a tag system for historical and finctional, like what Warthunder have for skin In Warthunder every skin have a tag telling players that the skin is historical, semi historical or finctional Although Gaijin also mess up the tag system by labeling most skin semi historical which mean nothing, but I think the system itself is good
@@johnnymigouel7228 I mean yeah, but wasn't it that the tier 9 had troll armor? the tier 9 in blitz (WotPC tier 10) as far as I know is slower than the tier 10 (tier 9 in PC) the traverse is Worse and the velocity it's too unless they changed the values there. Also, is the Tier 10 in WoT PC penentration the same as blitz?
most of the tanks in WOT re fantasy tanks designed on a napkin after a few drinks in a bar in Mink; even that they anounce the game as a "realistic tank game" it has nothing to do with real tanks or real physics adding to that theres a 25% rng for penetration and damage, the game is more like a ground armored combat
While there were three different designs for the Ho-Ri but there was no Ho-Ri III ! The Ho-Ri with rear superstructure that resembled the Elephant tank destroyer were both the Ho-Ri I but they existed in different configurations namely the first version that existed as mockup was purposed with sloped armor, while the second version was to remove the sloped armor to keep the hull mounted 37 mm gun just like the Chi-Ri. The Ho-Ri II, the selected variant for mass-production resembled the Jagdtiger tank destroyer with superstructure placed in the center, it would not have sloped armor because they wanted to keep the 37mm for secondary armament, it would also be equipped with twin 20mm Type 4 AA gun mounted on the back above the engine deck similar to how the MG-42 is mounted on the engine deck of Jagdtiger. Ho-Ri I Alt.1 = rear mounted casemate with sloped armor. Ho-Ri I Alt.2 = rear mounted casemate without sloped armor and equipped with hull mounted type 1 3,7cm gun. Ho-Ri II = center mounted casemate without sloped armor, equipped with hull mounted type 1 3.7 cm gun and a twin type 4 20mm AA gun. Btw it is weird that none of the Ho-Ri in WoT got access to the historical Type 5 10cm gun that was developed just for the Ho-Ri project, not even as a stock gun, really WeeGee ? Regarding why they didn't bother with the Ka-To is probably because they wanted this as a heavy TD branch so that is why not even the real vehicle like Na-To is in the TT because it is a soft skinned TD just like the Ka-To, but maybe they could be added in a altenative TD branch ? but you can bet that they might be added them as premium instead cuz ''i love money !'' ....
I've only ever played wot blitz, and I'm a little surprised blitz had the japanese TDs years before the pc version did. Something else too, the tier 9 and 10 in the blitz line are swapped around in the pc version, which is interesting.
At this rate of making up things, I've been wondering why they didn't make Potei-To, Tomei-To, Buri-To and much more. I'd say it's a missed opportunity.
Please cover the Yoh series of American HTs in blitz, they've also added the line in WoT but with the t9 and t10 tank interchanged (t9 blitz tank is t10 in WoT and vice versa)😊, same to what they've done here on the Japanese TDs
Hey @ConeOfArk, I love your content but Miss your historical stuff, your warthunder video are are nice but I love just hearing the long stories of old prototypes
The Chi-To SP is my new favorite TD. Since i got it, my WTR has gone up at least by 1 every 2 days. And it's NOT that it is overpowered, i have no problem at all facing it as an enemy, it's actually not hard to fight at all because it has weak points big as mountains. Buuut, lots of people have massive trouble with the thick and uniform forward casemate armor. Combined with decent gun, decent maneuverability, decent camo, decent spotrange, it literally has everything at an "ok" level, making it a very pleasant TD to play. Of course, as i enjoyed it, i put captured exhaust along with bond optics and bond vents on it. So now it's stealthy and has max+ spotrange. More reliable accuracy would be nice, but then it probably would start getting a bit OP for tier 7. And dear gods, first 2 weeks i had it, before people had learned to deal with it, absolute rampage. Still, even now, with some trick driving to keep people from hitting your weak spots, it's only a few days ago that i blocked over 3 thousand damage with it. And half of that was from tier 9! And after mounting the captured exhaust on it, 3 times now, i've remained unseen whole matches and still dont plenty damage, sometimes even at surprisingly close range. Not perfect, far from it even, but damn enjoyable to play.
The Chi-to so isn’t completely made up, more like incorrectly named and modeled, since it’s based on a design of casemate variant of the Chi-ri, the only issue with ingame variant is that there are some incorrect feature on the model, an incorrect name, and an incorrect gun (the only gun it was planned to mount is the same gun as the Chi-to without the autoloader)
played em all...if you've got the german casemate td line ground out then I wouldn't bother....bit better speed and better reload on t9,10 big guns is about it really....
Now that I know the Ka-To could have been in the game instead I am disappointed. I love turreted TD's like the SU130pm (which is a fake tank too, although it just looks like a upgunned version of the SU100P spg prototype)
@@kotikvtanke2349 Well it might have been a real proposal, maybe even a desperate one to save the project from getting cancelled, but it is still a paper tank at best. I still would have preferred if they had brought the SU100P with its 100mm gun as a Tier VII premium.
@@jdmheart4727 I'd prefer the SU-100P as Tier 7 in the tech tree as part of a new Soviet turret TD branch. Along with the SU-152P at Tier 9. Put a fake "SU-122P" or "SU-107P" at Tier 8, and cap the line off at Tier 10 with the Object 120 Taran.
Personally, I don’t entirely mind fake tanks with realistic design ideas applied to them, notably the somewhat German doctrine/theory applied to the Japanese TD line here (superstructure on an existing chassis to mount a larger gun), especially considering that Japan was an island nation, so a mobile gun in this fashion for defense doesn’t sound too outlandish to me.
Type 3 Ho-Ni III Slight error in model->muzzle device lacking. Chi-Ro/Ji-Ro likely was not built. Although give or take some wooden mockups at best were built. For the Type-4 Chi-To SP Some rumors claim it was something planned to be built. For the Chi-Ri II being converted to Ho-Ri Although a wooden mock up existed. Personally i like to say that the tank did exist but only the gun is whats left of what was ment. I also do believe there were rumors of the 88 and 120mm. But i take those with large grains of salt. Since those rumors could have happened within the decades passed down or people lying to make their book make more money but who really knows at this point. Since its definitely not documented.
The Ho Ri picture in the garage was the stock version as I haven't unlocked the line on my personal account. Not sure if the top gun has the proper muzzle device
I'm not a gamer.... but I get FAKE tank Friday...Maybe there should be a class of tanks in the style of whatever country and time. But... I miss the almost tanks or the prototypes that never went anywhere. I think the T34M and the DB panther.. I think they would be a great subject. Maybe they could be war gamer tanks ? . I wish there was software to tryout these tanks virtually... Anyway ... Thanks for the channel and I hope you haven't given up on real tanks.
Have NOT played a single second of "World of Tanks" or "War Thunder" or whatever the most popular game is out there now. I build plastic model kits of armored vehicles and have noticed the influx of various designs of vehicles - regardless of country - onto the plastic model building industry. Must admit, plenty of vehicles that have NEVER seen before, so whenever I dust off all my reference materials trying to re-educate myself on some of these vehicles, am finding out that they do not nor ever existed!! Get it - nice to see the "paper panzers" or those very rare vehicles and such in scale plastic and are fun to build, as long as there is some type of evidence that they existed or were on the drawing board, but some of these other vehicles..... So, now I know WHY there are a plethora of make-believe vehicles suddenly flooding the plastic model building market - silly games are dictating now. Well, in defense of these silly games - at least they are creating something interesting to try and learn about and build.
as someone who organized historical (kinda) loadout battles among friends, it is always a shame that WG doesn't really give an F about history education
@@nookbandit that ain't a good excuse when they keep advertising the game as "historically accurate" and then you see half of their tanks are fake, some are just fantasy.
@@saladdressing2781 doesn't matter. False advertising is still false advertising, no excuse. If you can't keep your words, don't say it in the first place. Beside, the game is call "World of Tanks" not "World of WW2 Tanks", WG could easily expand the tech tree to late Cold War and Modern day. So your argument of lacking vehicles to fill the tech tree make no sense too.
@@quocvinhnguyen2063 Never said anything about "World of WW2 Tanks". When I played the first tier 10 I ever got was the M48. That already defeats your "muh WW2 tanks" argument. As for the false advertising yes they do say "Historically accurate" but you need to take it with a grain of salt and stop getting so pressed over it. It's a fucking advertisement. You don't go to McDonalds and say "I'm lovin it". No they won't go into late cold war and modern tanks because a large part of the community will get pissed and probably leave. Hull down meta is killing the game and guess what most MBTs after the 60's were made for? tl;dr: Stop taking advertisements as face value or else you will be disappointed with literally everything.
Despite all the issues with the Parent company Gaijin, this is why i will ALWAYS prefer WarThunder, well that and the playstyle, at least untill i see what june 16th has in-store
Not that it matters now but in that Sherman Hunter video, anything coming from the Sensha Blog/ Seon Eun-Ae/ Mai_Waffentrager should be securitized. They have made some false claims about where they get the information regarding Japanese tanks from. A lot of the information, pictures, and articles they pass as their own research comes from the Japan Center for Asian Historical Records or JACAR.
What do I think ? That I sincerely hope the new tank game a German development company is wirking on comes to fruition which is far more realistic then WOT.
Wargaming love to take the piss out of players , make the new lines fast and manoeuvrable , give them fantasy guns but keep the old lines like the UK and USA TD's slow and often hideously outclassed
I get really annoyed with Wargaming. They claim that they use historic vehicles in their games but then they go about introducing fake ones that never existed, be it concept/on paper or actually built. I’m ok with them using paper designs but the fact that they make stuff up and call it real gets on my nerves. I try looking for these designs and the only source is Wargaming itself
They do at least provide a link to the ones with some kind of documentation, be it a drawing, planning paper, or a full on blueprint, but most of their tanks by now aren't real or are plausible designs that probably never left their designers head
They're going to have to make a couple of made up tanks to make it competitive in their power crept game. Otherwise it'd be cr*p and no one would play it it'd be a waste of time for everyone
why make realistic tanks when you can make a fake premium tanks and get quick money? I hate the WG scum so much... stopped playing 2 years ago and never felt better about my choice
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Hey cone, how bout looking to the American T110 designs? Yes the E3, E4 and E5 of WoT's.
the delete post image thing label the vehicle as Ho RI-I
The japanese TD's were first introduced in wotb 3 years ago
isn't Ka-To just bigger Na-To?
@@lonemarkkingoftypos3722 don't forget T110HT (E6) from tank company,T110e5 with slope frontal armor and better engine similar to M48 engine
could be definitely interesting to also look into czechoslovak heavies and how real those are
That would be a short look.
As real as dirty napkins they were drawn on as a joke
There was never heavy tank program in Czechoslovakia, so its all fake. Only heavy tank we "developed" was Tiger with 75mm autoloading gun.
@@Makrelacz |Tell me more about that Tiger please
@@panzerlite8108 Durring the WW2 Czechs has made a project of medium tank called T-25. It was never build as Germans had no interest in it. But the autoloading gun, which was designed for it (Skoda A18), was built after the war and tested by mounting it to one of the Tigers Germans were so generous to leave behind.
I recall Jingles featured a replay about a month ago with the main player in a Ho-Ni III, and he was railing on it about being "a 3rd version of a tank that didn't exist." I am pleased you managed to correct that.
I like jingles but he does make some silly mistakes in his videos from time to time. Iirc he called the Maus fake in one
He does admit he’s crap, bless him.
the Chi-To SP was most likely made as it is for tech tree homogenous gameplay style as if the Ka-To was used if would have the only open top turreted in the whole line
I see a premium Ka-To in the future... $100
When I first heard Chi-To SP, I thought of the vehicle from WT. But that's the Chi-Ha LG, I think. So, they could have TWO open top turreted vehicles in the line. ;)
Same for the guns I guess, 105mm at T10 isn't really something most ppl would enjoy.
@@Yautah It would have to have incredible handling stats and a really quick reload for a 105 on an open top TD to be worth it at 10
@@jwenting Or possibly a second branch for turreted TDs with the Na-To and Ka-To, and the Komatsu B78 105GSR. And whatever fictional vehicle Wargaming might invent to fill Tier 10 (probably a Type 61 hull with fictional "120GSR" turret). And the Chi-Ha Long Gun could be the premium turreted TD.
The Japanese TDs really aren't that bad looking at it, tier 8 to 10 kinda stretch it a lot though. But the Tier 5 and 6 TDs were pretty good, especially with Tier 5 actually existing as it is depicted in game.
Honestly I think Tier 3 to 7 is the best range of tiers for historical tanks with Tiers one and two being filled by concepts, early interwar prototypes, or lighter tanks that were outdated by WW2. Tier 8 has hit or miss tanks depending on the nation, and Tier 9 and 10 are pretty much they either actually existed or were complete fabrications by Wargaming.
The funniest thing about this tech tree is actually not the tanks, but their ammo
sPeCiAl aP rOuNdS
A little disappointed the Japanese TD line was added well after Wargaming ditched low tier TDs, would've been neat to see the Type 5 Ho-Ru in the game. Very little documentation on it exists much like the Ho-Ris but that hasn't stopped Wargaming before, and it's not stopping them now.
They'll be adding more soon
I actually laughed when I saw how cartoonishly large that gun is on the Ho-ri, lmao
Fun Fact: The Japanese TD were first introduced in Worlds of Tanks Blitz and its a Underrated Tank
Unlike in PC the WoTB Jap TDs doesnt have a full line like in the game you begin with the Chi To SPG in Tier VII and you make it to the Last 3 Ho Ri
The Ho Ri III being the Tier X instead of the Ferdinand looking one
Its considered to be Underrated in WoTB cause they didn't explain how Shell normalization work but seriously the Premium shell of the Ho-Ri can butter through a Maus and has a very troll armor which is frustrating when fighting it from long range
I mean the armor is troll and that, but the amount of penetration and reload the Ho-ri III (ferdinand looking one) has in blitz is technically crazy, having more premium pen than a JGe100.
Sadly the reality, for me, is that the tank is just a troll armor glass canon.
@@sekai2914 its really a Hit or miss when your playing it Offensively
Your basically going to be a FV 183 which heavily relies on your team to make those enemies pop out of their hiding spots
However in a Defense.... Ohoho you gonna have much fun because of the Reload of the Ho Ri
not all the time, I actually use this thing as a close quarters support occasionally and it's so funny to see people so confused why a Ho-Ri III is able to bully a few mediums in 10 seconds flat
The Japanese tank destroyers was taken from the blitz property. The tanks previously exist in blitz, but they placed it in the console version, with some changes.
You should add the blitz version as well. Sad you didn't include it
Blitzs Japanese tds start at tier 7, so it would've been a much shorter video if he had used that tree
@@anotheryoutubeidiot8785 "included it as well" means aside from the console version I asked him to mention the blitz version in the video.
@@SonaNerikov he already covered them, it's the exact same tanks from tier 7 onwards with only a minor difference of two tanks swapping places
@@anotheryoutubeidiot8785 probably, but it wouldn't hurt though if he included it. Although it's up to him to do it or not, I think he hasn't yet look on the origin of these tanks. Which is unfortunate.
@@anotheryoutubeidiot8785 also he didn't talk about the armour thickness and how accurate it is, or even another components like the engine placement and crew layout. I think this video is too short tbh
One thing that I loved when I played WoT were realistic battles events made by the community. You basically made a predetermined layout of vehicles based on how many tanks each army had at X time, and you could only use them with realistic modules. I recall playing a match with a Panther, where the team was 1 Tiger, 3 Panthers and a mix of Pz IV (modules based on the ausf. G) and StuG III G.
It was usually unbalanced, given how WoT works, but still funny.
I hope you could make one about the new Czech heavy tanks in World of Tanks Blitz
The entire czech heavy line is fake, they took mid cold war soviet tanks and made "possible guesses" into what they would have been had they been designed as heavy tanks.
vz55's turret is based on the t-62m with a raised cupola. the vz 51 has a stock turret based on the t-55 while its top turret is a t-55am turret with an elongated back, presumably to make room for the autoloader(on pc, at least). The skoda t56 is a n interesting spin on the early t-54 mod 1947 with the gunner sight from later models also slapped on.
The tnh 105/1000, meanwhile, maybe a one of the variants for the tvp project that ckd made, or was a spin based on the tvp vtu(which is also part of the same project). Or it was a design by praga, also in the same TVP project and was designsted TNH tA(no clue what it means)
@@nvduceii yoo thanks for all this. I already thought they were fake, but this explains a lot
Plus the czech heavy tanks also existed on pc even before blitz
@@Chris.K.M so did the Japanese TDS in WoTB..
@veliijzendoorn5976 yeah that was strange
New Jap TDS? This Guys was Olds Asf in WOT Blitz
I love how the Japanese TDs are more real than the Chinese TDs.
You forgot the Type 5 Ka-Ri the premium one
Hey can you look at the tanks and "mobile tanks" of Mobile Suit Gundam. For example the Type 61 mbt, Zaku Tank, Hldolfr, Guntank and Assault Guntank of the UC Gundam timeline. The game Gundam Battle Operation 2 has them.
The Ho-Ris also have way more hull armour in game compared to the Chi-Ri. Would up armouring the casemate TD's hulls been a realistic possibility?
The Chi-To SP seems to be based on the "Chi-Ri tank destroyers". However how real they actually are seems up in the air.
You can build some vehicles as close to history as possible for Example the more well know tanks like Shermans, Tigers, Panthers etc. But then they would just be bad at the game or at least much more difficult to play.
Actually, the first appearance of this in Wargamming was in WOT Blitz with a more realistic (Ho Ri Type I,ll,lll) Line, just like the Yoh line
Japan tanks ahh yes those things that tank tank
I think they should just add a tag system for historical and finctional, like what Warthunder have for skin
In Warthunder every skin have a tag telling players that the skin is historical, semi historical or finctional
Although Gaijin also mess up the tag system by labeling most skin semi historical which mean nothing, but I think the system itself is good
I mean, technically Japanese TD's are originally from World of Tanks Blitz and I don't know why they switched the tier 9 and tier 10 tanks.
The armour layout on the wotpc tier 10 is better than that of the wotb tier 10 so they switched them
@@johnnymigouel7228 I mean yeah, but wasn't it that the tier 9 had troll armor?
the tier 9 in blitz (WotPC tier 10) as far as I know is slower than the tier 10 (tier 9 in PC) the traverse is Worse and the velocity it's too unless they changed the values there. Also, is the Tier 10 in WoT PC penentration the same as blitz?
The Chi-To’s insanely OP in the game, so it doesn’t bother me too much. I love playing it
Since you did a video on the AAT I assume Syfy is allowed so I want you to check out the mammoth tank from command and conquer
Well at least Wargaming acknowledges that the Japanese tree exists.
Can you do italian TDs? Theyre obviously fake but maybe they took inspiration from some blueprint designs
Thank you for including English subtitles in the video.
most of the tanks in WOT re fantasy tanks designed on a napkin after a few drinks in a bar in Mink; even that they anounce the game as a "realistic tank game" it has nothing to do with real tanks or real physics adding to that theres a 25% rng for penetration and damage, the game is more like a ground armored combat
Throw in noob players like yourself and your points are more valid
I guess the next line is going to be open top TDs with the Type 4 Ha-To as an Tier 10 TD :). would be fun... yes, i know it's rocket artillerie
I can't wait on Italian TDs for another Fake Tank Friday episode.
While there were three different designs for the Ho-Ri but there was no Ho-Ri III !
The Ho-Ri with rear superstructure that resembled the Elephant tank destroyer were both the Ho-Ri I but they existed in different configurations namely the first version that existed as mockup was purposed with sloped armor, while the second version was to remove the sloped armor to keep the hull mounted 37 mm gun just like the Chi-Ri.
The Ho-Ri II, the selected variant for mass-production resembled the Jagdtiger tank destroyer with superstructure placed in the center, it would not have sloped armor because they wanted to keep the 37mm for secondary armament, it would also be equipped with twin 20mm Type 4 AA gun mounted on the back above the engine deck similar to how the MG-42 is mounted on the engine deck of Jagdtiger.
Ho-Ri I Alt.1 = rear mounted casemate with sloped armor.
Ho-Ri I Alt.2 = rear mounted casemate without sloped armor and equipped with hull mounted type 1 3,7cm gun.
Ho-Ri II = center mounted casemate without sloped armor, equipped with hull mounted type 1 3.7 cm gun and a twin type 4 20mm AA gun.
Btw it is weird that none of the Ho-Ri in WoT got access to the historical Type 5 10cm gun that was developed just for the Ho-Ri project, not even as a stock gun, really WeeGee ?
Regarding why they didn't bother with the Ka-To is probably because they wanted this as a heavy TD branch so that is why not even the real vehicle like Na-To is in the TT because it is a soft skinned TD just like the Ka-To, but maybe they could be added in a altenative TD branch ? but you can bet that they might be added them as premium instead cuz ''i love money !'' ....
They'll probably make a second, turreted line with the Na-To the way they did with Germany.
You forgot the tier 8 premium with an autoloader equipped 20 cm cannon called the Ho-Ri-Shet
Fun fact: in blitz the hori 1 is the tier x and hori 3 is ix and they have the gun swapped
The prototype was pushed into a lake, so we built another prototype which burned down, got bombed, and then fell into the lake.
"No you can't go look for it in the lake which we pushed it into"
Chi-to sp is the best in the line in wot gameplay. I love it. The Ji-ro is a total hunk of .....
You could make a compilation video of every hybrid nation
Should do a video on WoT’s T110 tanks.
I've only ever played wot blitz, and I'm a little surprised blitz had the japanese TDs years before the pc version did. Something else too, the tier 9 and 10 in the blitz line are swapped around in the pc version, which is interesting.
At this rate of making up things, I've been wondering why they didn't make Potei-To, Tomei-To, Buri-To and much more. I'd say it's a missed opportunity.
What if you cover the DD Tank and the Type 2 Amphibious Tank from KanColle?
You should talk about the mark viii in Indiana Jones the last crusade. Its..... weird and it might be interesting for you
The Ka-To could be used as a tier 8 premium, but then again, it's Wargaming.
Please cover the Yoh series of American HTs in blitz, they've also added the line in WoT but with the t9 and t10 tank interchanged (t9 blitz tank is t10 in WoT and vice versa)😊, same to what they've done here on the Japanese TDs
Hey @ConeOfArk, I love your content but Miss your historical stuff, your warthunder video are are nice but I love just hearing the long stories of old prototypes
my man can you spread some light on the YOH series in WOT?
The Chi-To SP is my new favorite TD. Since i got it, my WTR has gone up at least by 1 every 2 days.
And it's NOT that it is overpowered, i have no problem at all facing it as an enemy, it's actually not hard to fight at all because it has weak points big as mountains.
Buuut, lots of people have massive trouble with the thick and uniform forward casemate armor. Combined with decent gun, decent maneuverability, decent camo, decent spotrange, it literally has everything at an "ok" level, making it a very pleasant TD to play.
Of course, as i enjoyed it, i put captured exhaust along with bond optics and bond vents on it. So now it's stealthy and has max+ spotrange.
More reliable accuracy would be nice, but then it probably would start getting a bit OP for tier 7.
And dear gods, first 2 weeks i had it, before people had learned to deal with it, absolute rampage.
Still, even now, with some trick driving to keep people from hitting your weak spots, it's only a few days ago that i blocked over 3 thousand damage with it. And half of that was from tier 9!
And after mounting the captured exhaust on it, 3 times now, i've remained unseen whole matches and still dont plenty damage, sometimes even at surprisingly close range.
Not perfect, far from it even, but damn enjoyable to play.
God Save ConeofArc!
On blitz the t9 is flipped with the t10
Could you pls do a video about the yoh tanks
WoT is such a wacky silly game, I love it.
The Chi-to so isn’t completely made up, more like incorrectly named and modeled, since it’s based on a design of casemate variant of the Chi-ri, the only issue with ingame variant is that there are some incorrect feature on the model, an incorrect name, and an incorrect gun (the only gun it was planned to mount is the same gun as the Chi-to without the autoloader)
japamse be like we wish it would be real sadly we dont even have the steel for that
Can u make a video on wot blitz Chinese tech tree BC I wanna know that they r real or not ?
Why no type 60 or other atgm carriers? Are they in a different category or something. Idk, I don’t play WOTs.
They were hoping for advertisement deal with Cheetos.
I haven't thought of wot being realistic since many years. Which is fine, they would run out of things to add otherwise.
The Japanese made tanks out of cheetos? No wonder they lost!
基本上， WOT的坦克60%都是"完全的造假"連製造計畫都沒有，藍圖也沒有，改造計畫也沒有，就依據研發報告說:希望OOXX能夠更好，就直接打造出來不存在的東西賣
played em all...if you've got the german casemate td line ground out then I wouldn't bother....bit better speed and better reload on t9,10 big guns is about it really....
Now that I know the Ka-To could have been in the game instead I am disappointed. I love turreted TD's like the SU130pm (which is a fake tank too, although it just looks like a upgunned version of the SU100P spg prototype)
It isn't quite fake, i heard that it's some sort of SU-100P upgunning proposal, but never existed outside of projects.
@@kotikvtanke2349 Well it might have been a real proposal, maybe even a desperate one to save the project from getting cancelled, but it is still a paper tank at best. I still would have preferred if they had brought the SU100P with its 100mm gun as a Tier VII premium.
@@jdmheart4727 I'd prefer the SU-100P as Tier 7 in the tech tree as part of a new Soviet turret TD branch. Along with the SU-152P at Tier 9. Put a fake "SU-122P" or "SU-107P" at Tier 8, and cap the line off at Tier 10 with the Object 120 Taran.
Personally, I don’t entirely mind fake tanks with realistic design ideas applied to them, notably the somewhat German doctrine/theory applied to the Japanese TD line here (superstructure on an existing chassis to mount a larger gun), especially considering that Japan was an island nation, so a mobile gun in this fashion for defense doesn’t sound too outlandish to me.
Type 3 Ho-Ni III
Slight error in model->muzzle device lacking.
Chi-Ro/Ji-Ro likely was not built.
Although give or take some wooden mockups at best were built.
For the
Type-4 Chi-To SP
Some rumors claim it was something planned to be built.
For the Chi-Ri II being converted to Ho-Ri
Although a wooden mock up existed. Personally i like to say that the tank did exist but only the gun is whats left of what was ment. I also do believe there were rumors of the 88 and 120mm. But i take those with large grains of salt. Since those rumors could have happened within the decades passed down or people lying to make their book make more money but who really knows at this point. Since its definitely not documented.
The Ho Ri picture in the garage was the stock version as I haven't unlocked the line on my personal account. Not sure if the top gun has the proper muzzle device
Thanks
I'm not a gamer.... but I get FAKE tank Friday...Maybe there should be a class of tanks in the style of whatever country and time.
But... I miss the almost tanks or the prototypes that never went anywhere. I think the T34M and the DB panther.. I think they would be a great subject. Maybe they could be war gamer tanks ? . I wish there was software to tryout these tanks virtually... Anyway ... Thanks for the channel and I hope you haven't given up on real tanks.
What does this two syllable name mean?
Have NOT played a single second of "World of Tanks" or "War Thunder" or whatever the most popular game is out there now. I build plastic model kits of armored vehicles and have noticed the influx of various designs of vehicles - regardless of country - onto the plastic model building industry. Must admit, plenty of vehicles that have NEVER seen before, so whenever I dust off all my reference materials trying to re-educate myself on some of these vehicles, am finding out that they do not nor ever existed!! Get it - nice to see the "paper panzers" or those very rare vehicles and such in scale plastic and are fun to build, as long as there is some type of evidence that they existed or were on the drawing board, but some of these other vehicles..... So, now I know WHY there are a plethora of make-believe vehicles suddenly flooding the plastic model building market - silly games are dictating now. Well, in defense of these silly games - at least they are creating something interesting to try and learn about and build.
Italian tank destroyers next time pls
as someone who organized historical (kinda) loadout battles among friends, it is always a shame that WG doesn't really give an F about history education
I think that’s why it’s called a game
@@nookbandit that ain't a good excuse when they keep advertising the game as "historically accurate" and then you see half of their tanks are fake, some are just fantasy.
@@quocvinhnguyen2063 Well, then the game would get boring cause everything except a few lines would end at like tier 7
@@saladdressing2781 doesn't matter. False advertising is still false advertising, no excuse. If you can't keep your words, don't say it in the first place.
Beside, the game is call "World of Tanks" not "World of WW2 Tanks", WG could easily expand the tech tree to late Cold War and Modern day. So your argument of lacking vehicles to fill the tech tree make no sense too.
@@quocvinhnguyen2063 Never said anything about "World of WW2 Tanks". When I played the first tier 10 I ever got was the M48. That already defeats your "muh WW2 tanks" argument.
As for the false advertising yes they do say "Historically accurate" but you need to take it with a grain of salt and stop getting so pressed over it. It's a fucking advertisement. You don't go to McDonalds and say "I'm lovin it".
No they won't go into late cold war and modern tanks because a large part of the community will get pissed and probably leave. Hull down meta is killing the game and guess what most MBTs after the 60's were made for?
tl;dr: Stop taking advertisements as face value or else you will be disappointed with literally everything.
Ka-To asi nepřidali z důvodu že jim to nesedělo do linie, otevřená nástavba proti zavřeným.
Ayo Ho-ni be sus
Despite all the issues with the Parent company Gaijin, this is why i will ALWAYS prefer WarThunder, well that and the playstyle, at least untill i see what june 16th has in-store
ooh do the czech tanks nexts
Not that it matters now but in that Sherman Hunter video, anything coming from the Sensha Blog/ Seon Eun-Ae/ Mai_Waffentrager should be securitized. They have made some false claims about where they get the information regarding Japanese tanks from. A lot of the information, pictures, and articles they pass as their own research comes from the Japan Center for Asian Historical Records or JACAR.
I’m still waiting for nuke launching tanks in the game 😤
I like how the questiong isn't "are they fake?" but "how fake are they" lol
What do I think ? That I sincerely hope the new tank game a German development company is wirking on comes to fruition which is far more realistic then WOT.
Wargaming love to take the piss out of players , make the new lines fast and manoeuvrable , give them fantasy guns but keep the old lines like the UK and USA TD's slow and often hideously outclassed
hello
New tanks? Wot Blitz players go brrr
Hey Coneofarc could you do a video about the M4/T26 that Warthunder recently released? I think it could be a good Cursed by Design video
I get really annoyed with Wargaming. They claim that they use historic vehicles in their games but then they go about introducing fake ones that never existed, be it concept/on paper or actually built. I’m ok with them using paper designs but the fact that they make stuff up and call it real gets on my nerves. I try looking for these designs and the only source is Wargaming itself
They do at least provide a link to the ones with some kind of documentation, be it a drawing, planning paper, or a full on blueprint, but most of their tanks by now aren't real or are plausible designs that probably never left their designers head
Why do they even make up tanks from paper, and that are that stupidly unrealistic sometimes.
WOWS:How Fake are USSR ships in World of Warships?
So tldr, it’s mostly fake.
They're going to have to make a couple of made up tanks to make it competitive in their power crept game. Otherwise it'd be cr*p and no one would play it it'd be a waste of time for everyone
War gaming: "we mix history and fantasy"
“…whilst passing all of it off as purely history”
Funny how the fakest tank in the line is also the most powerful... wargaming moment
I would like to see a video about Polish tanks, if it is possible to find some data or at least some that are most real.
war gaming is running out of ideas
they didnt use Ka-To because it would have a similar playstyle to the branch
So many fake tanks and status in WOT. Does anyone care to correct all of them?
Probably the first time WoT PC took inspiration from WoT Blitz...
they arent that new
wait nvm this is the console version
Fake?!?! You wanna talk fake?!?!?! 90% of the tanks in world of tanks are fake lol
why make realistic tanks when you can make a fake premium tanks and get quick money? I hate the WG scum so much... stopped playing 2 years ago and never felt better about my choice
Ji-Ro the He-Ro Commanded by Cpt Sum Ting Wong driven by Bang Ding Ow with Ho Lee Fuk as there gunner. /S
fake sushi vending machines
Most of the tank in wot are all fake
Yes
I want a Japanese tank destroyer on console that has a fully traversible torrent