The gate is heavily and well-guarded on the social media post regarding this one🙄. Great job and informative video as always. Keep them coming, some of us in class are paying attention.
LOL Thanks! I've been using it as an opportunity to pick off trolls. You know what's funny, though? I posted the image used to make this video on that same group last month and it received rave reviews, some by the same trolls. They only popped their collective gaskets when I showed them how it was made. And that's just gatekeeping. You can see the image and original comments here: facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10159984167926246&set=gm.10161703355419140&idorvanity=7611889139
Back when you first posted on this I was thinking "Oh this is going to bring the haters out of the woodwork". Keep your thick skin on and doing what you want. I am pretty sure I have the PI creators seriously hate me (based on that message they sent everyone hahah) and that is just the price of busting down gates :)
Thanks, Seti! Love your vids. I don't use PI much for anything, but now that you have a version of your deblurring tool that works apart from it, I really have to give Cosmic Clarity a whirl. If the weather ever clears and I get some new data. It's been raining here for a solid month with a week more rain for sure. You know what's amusing about this video, though? I posted the image used to make it on that same group where the trolls are frothing last month, and it received rave reviews, some by the same trolls. They only popped their collective gaskets when I showed them how it was made in this video. And that's just gatekeeping. You can see the image and original comments here: facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10159984167926246&set=gm.10161703355419140&idorvanity=7611889139
@@SKYST0RY a bunch of us got it. I had various people on my discord from siril, graxpert, and other youtube content creators discussing it. Just crazy! Sinve yiutube doesnt like links in the comments just google "PixInsight Forum: Answers to Some Frequent Questions" it was posted to the forum 6 days ago, but a few of us had direct messages from PI to read the post.
It's absolutely overcooked. There is not enough integration time yet to produce a truly good image, which is noted at the beginning and end of the video. The video is more a demonstration of concept regarding how much information can be pulled from dark regions with lifting. I figure I'll need 21 to 34 hours of integration to develop this image properly.
Excellent tutorial and definately a plausible methodology for post editing. I will have to try some of the features on my milkyway shots. DXO Photolab 8 would also make a nice replacement to Lightroom. This is a new app for me, so I'm just wondering if you require the basic version or full version in order to apply some of the tools used in the video?
Sorry, I try to get back to everyone within a day but missed your reply. I recommend the full version. It has some very useful tools and especially local selection tools that are indispensable. You may also want to pick up the Film Pack when it's on sale to get the luminosity filter and the fine contrast options.
Yeah, winter on the Canadian coasts... No imaging here since Sept. 15th... east coast of Vancouver Island. Now a Pacific Bomb Cyclone is expected tomorrow evening. On the positive side I'm getting an opportunity to practice many new techniques on previously captured data. (and brushing up on my Affiinity Photo skills too thanks to you)
Hey! I absolutely adore your guides. They've been really helpful. You brought out lots of details, but for the first time in this one the sharpness of the horsehead seems a bit to aggressive for my taste. In the end it's likely a matter of taste though. Would a smoothing/very soft noise reduction on the whole image after getting the details out like this possibly help a bit with the sharpness to make it more even? :)
Thank you! I totally agree with you. The image is far from done and very information-poor. And you're absolutely right! It's generally better to keep information-poor images softer. But this is an unfinished project a long, long way from completion. It needs at least 20, maybe 30, more hours of integration. The video is just to demonstrate lifting detail from dark areas. To me, the amazing thing is that even with so little integration there is already a solid core of information hidden in those dark areas. I forgot to note in the video that sharpening is a way to get a hint at how things will go as information builds.
Thank you! It won't really look good, though, till there is adequate integration time. But there is often detail hidden in darkness that can be lifted with integration time and careful development. I've been experimenting with this on other dark nebulae and getting good, consistent results.
@@SKYST0RYI get chuffed with myself when I get 2 hours on a target 😂. Living in Scotland, getting +10 hours worth of lights on a target is a dream. Keep the great videos coming 🙏
Oops! Sorry, I just realized that for some reason, when I pasted the link, it was pasted with an elipsis. I don't know why. I just put the link back in. Let me know if it fails again.
Social media isn't all over it, just a few trolls exercising their usual pack mentality in one group. I literally reviewed the images from every single troll who had something vicious to say and they are all . . . well, let us say, less than stellar, to be polite. Which is typically the case with trolls. I've always found it interesting that the worse the photographer, the more they troll. So, anyway, I don't really care what they say. But here's the funny part, and it really demonstrates the idiotic pack mentality of trolls. Check out the link below. I posted the very image used in this video a month ago to stellar reviews by the same people in the same group. The troll contingent just popped their gaskets when they saw it was done in a way they were taught it's not supposed to be done. That, my friend, is gatekeeping, and, tbh, I don't care what gatekeepers think about anything. facebook.com/photo?fbid=10159984167926246&set=gm.10161703355419140&idorvanity=7611889139
Though I will agree with you the image is overcooked. In fact, it says so right in the video in numerous places. Right from the beginning I note the image is not made with enough information, and the purpose of the video is to demonstrate how much information can be pulled out of dark areas with lifting. But this image needs a lot more integration time before there is enough information there for it to really become good.
@@nikaxstrophotography LOL They made memes when I downplayed the great god, PixInsight, and stated layer-based editing was better. They made memes when I cited the papers stating in most cases OSCs were just as useful these days as mono cameras. Memes, like insults, are the tools persons turn to when reason fails them.
@@nikaxstrophotography Sorry, I know you're trying to be helpful. I am from the northern bush and bush people are notorious in their lack of concern for how others feel about them. I'm no different. I don't spend 60 seconds in a month worrying about whether someone doesn't approve of me. With that said, most of the trolls, I noted, didn't even watch the video. They just jumped on the hate wagon. Grown adults should have better things to do than play in hate cliques, and it's a shame it is such a part of the astrophotography community. But I won't be changing anything to appease them. They are welcomed not to watch.
Indeed, the image should not look good yet. As noted at minutes 1, 9, 10, 12, 15 and 16 in the video, this image is an unfinished project with inadequate integration time, and (as also noted) the video is merely a demonstration of technique to lift details out of dark areas of an image. It is absolutely not a processing video on how to obtain a final image. I do find that one of most amusing things about gatekeepers and trolls, though, is they rarely ever bother to watch a video because they are so eager to troll. And mostly they troll when ideas go outside their narrow range of understanding, indicating their trolling is really about feeling threatened by new ideas. It's too bad, though, because I plan to keep opening gates, even if I have to kick them down.
Be honest... you have your own JWST telescope ;) I live in Spain, rural and have bortle 3 night skies, but for the last weeks the nights are bortle 1, dark and I don't see anything :(
Wouldn't that be awesome to have something like the JWST? You know, this nebula is cursed. Even getting 9 hours of data took a month because the Horsehead was so poorly positioned in the evening sky. Now it's better positioned but it's been raining for a solid month. If the rain would ever clear, as long as the nights are now, I could add another 20-30 hours and finally get enough information to make a good version of this image. Is it cloudy over Spain lately? It's that time of year, when the weather changes and the sky doesn't cooperate.
@@SKYST0RYAt the place were I live in Spain, Galicia, it's easily cloudy. I live at 750 meter high, most of the past nights started promising, but then clouds came rolling in.
@@robvandenwijngaart1970 Hopefully, that will change as winter settles in. Usually, we have great dark Decembers and Januaries here. But this year has been different. Wetter.
The gate is heavily and well-guarded on the social media post regarding this one🙄. Great job and informative video as always. Keep them coming, some of us in class are paying attention.
LOL Thanks! I've been using it as an opportunity to pick off trolls. You know what's funny, though? I posted the image used to make this video on that same group last month and it received rave reviews, some by the same trolls. They only popped their collective gaskets when I showed them how it was made. And that's just gatekeeping. You can see the image and original comments here: facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10159984167926246&set=gm.10161703355419140&idorvanity=7611889139
Well I just started in the astrophotography world and I dream of the day I can get an image like that. I think it's awesome
Back when you first posted on this I was thinking "Oh this is going to bring the haters out of the woodwork". Keep your thick skin on and doing what you want. I am pretty sure I have the PI creators seriously hate me (based on that message they sent everyone hahah) and that is just the price of busting down gates :)
Thanks, Seti! Love your vids. I don't use PI much for anything, but now that you have a version of your deblurring tool that works apart from it, I really have to give Cosmic Clarity a whirl. If the weather ever clears and I get some new data. It's been raining here for a solid month with a week more rain for sure. You know what's amusing about this video, though? I posted the image used to make it on that same group where the trolls are frothing last month, and it received rave reviews, some by the same trolls. They only popped their collective gaskets when I showed them how it was made in this video. And that's just gatekeeping. You can see the image and original comments here: facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10159984167926246&set=gm.10161703355419140&idorvanity=7611889139
BTW, I didn't see the message they sent everyone.
@@SKYST0RY a bunch of us got it. I had various people on my discord from siril, graxpert, and other youtube content creators discussing it. Just crazy! Sinve yiutube doesnt like links in the comments just google "PixInsight Forum: Answers to Some Frequent Questions" it was posted to the forum 6 days ago, but a few of us had direct messages from PI to read the post.
I would tone back on the sharpening the image looks cooked.
It's absolutely overcooked. There is not enough integration time yet to produce a truly good image, which is noted at the beginning and end of the video. The video is more a demonstration of concept regarding how much information can be pulled from dark regions with lifting. I figure I'll need 21 to 34 hours of integration to develop this image properly.
Excellent tutorial and definately a plausible methodology for post editing. I will have to try some of the features on my milkyway shots. DXO Photolab 8 would also make a nice replacement to Lightroom. This is a new app for me, so I'm just wondering if you require the basic version or full version in order to apply some of the tools used in the video?
Sorry, I try to get back to everyone within a day but missed your reply. I recommend the full version. It has some very useful tools and especially local selection tools that are indispensable. You may also want to pick up the Film Pack when it's on sale to get the luminosity filter and the fine contrast options.
Yeah, winter on the Canadian coasts... No imaging here since Sept. 15th... east coast of Vancouver Island. Now a Pacific Bomb Cyclone is expected tomorrow evening. On the positive side I'm getting an opportunity to practice many new techniques on previously captured data. (and brushing up on my Affiinity Photo skills too thanks to you)
That sucks. About as bad here. Now 31 days of precipitation and counting.
Hey! I absolutely adore your guides. They've been really helpful. You brought out lots of details, but for the first time in this one the sharpness of the horsehead seems a bit to aggressive for my taste. In the end it's likely a matter of taste though. Would a smoothing/very soft noise reduction on the whole image after getting the details out like this possibly help a bit with the sharpness to make it more even? :)
Thank you! I totally agree with you. The image is far from done and very information-poor. And you're absolutely right! It's generally better to keep information-poor images softer. But this is an unfinished project a long, long way from completion. It needs at least 20, maybe 30, more hours of integration. The video is just to demonstrate lifting detail from dark areas. To me, the amazing thing is that even with so little integration there is already a solid core of information hidden in those dark areas. I forgot to note in the video that sharpening is a way to get a hint at how things will go as information builds.
An amazing tutorial there 😊. The detail you have managed to extract is truly incredible!
Thank you! It won't really look good, though, till there is adequate integration time. But there is often detail hidden in darkness that can be lifted with integration time and careful development. I've been experimenting with this on other dark nebulae and getting good, consistent results.
@@SKYST0RYI get chuffed with myself when I get 2 hours on a target 😂. Living in Scotland, getting +10 hours worth of lights on a target is a dream. Keep the great videos coming 🙏
Bad weather in Switzerland also for a month and this week snow storm is coming :))
Are you up in the Alps? I am from the far north and really miss high, snow capped mountains. Cold but very beautiful.
@@SKYST0RYI'm in the Jura, in the north of Switzerland at 500m altitude surrounded by only 1000m mountains
The link to the file isn't working. Would love to give this a try! Thanks!
Oops! Sorry, I just realized that for some reason, when I pasted the link, it was pasted with an elipsis. I don't know why. I just put the link back in. Let me know if it fails again.
Normally I would say your work is great but in this case this is way overcooked. Even social media is all over this and it hasn't been complimentary
Social media isn't all over it, just a few trolls exercising their usual pack mentality in one group. I literally reviewed the images from every single troll who had something vicious to say and they are all . . . well, let us say, less than stellar, to be polite. Which is typically the case with trolls. I've always found it interesting that the worse the photographer, the more they troll. So, anyway, I don't really care what they say. But here's the funny part, and it really demonstrates the idiotic pack mentality of trolls. Check out the link below. I posted the very image used in this video a month ago to stellar reviews by the same people in the same group. The troll contingent just popped their gaskets when they saw it was done in a way they were taught it's not supposed to be done. That, my friend, is gatekeeping, and, tbh, I don't care what gatekeepers think about anything. facebook.com/photo?fbid=10159984167926246&set=gm.10161703355419140&idorvanity=7611889139
Though I will agree with you the image is overcooked. In fact, it says so right in the video in numerous places. Right from the beginning I note the image is not made with enough information, and the purpose of the video is to demonstrate how much information can be pulled out of dark areas with lifting. But this image needs a lot more integration time before there is enough information there for it to really become good.
@@SKYST0RY I know that but I think your intended purpose was lost. It's even making memes at the moment.
@@nikaxstrophotography LOL They made memes when I downplayed the great god, PixInsight, and stated layer-based editing was better. They made memes when I cited the papers stating in most cases OSCs were just as useful these days as mono cameras. Memes, like insults, are the tools persons turn to when reason fails them.
@@nikaxstrophotography Sorry, I know you're trying to be helpful. I am from the northern bush and bush people are notorious in their lack of concern for how others feel about them. I'm no different. I don't spend 60 seconds in a month worrying about whether someone doesn't approve of me. With that said, most of the trolls, I noted, didn't even watch the video. They just jumped on the hate wagon. Grown adults should have better things to do than play in hate cliques, and it's a shame it is such a part of the astrophotography community. But I won't be changing anything to appease them. They are welcomed not to watch.
Is this a joke I don't understand? The final result looks terrible!
Indeed, the image should not look good yet. As noted at minutes 1, 9, 10, 12, 15 and 16 in the video, this image is an unfinished project with inadequate integration time, and (as also noted) the video is merely a demonstration of technique to lift details out of dark areas of an image. It is absolutely not a processing video on how to obtain a final image. I do find that one of most amusing things about gatekeepers and trolls, though, is they rarely ever bother to watch a video because they are so eager to troll. And mostly they troll when ideas go outside their narrow range of understanding, indicating their trolling is really about feeling threatened by new ideas. It's too bad, though, because I plan to keep opening gates, even if I have to kick them down.
Be honest... you have your own JWST telescope ;) I live in Spain, rural and have bortle 3 night skies, but for the last weeks the nights are bortle 1, dark and I don't see anything :(
Wouldn't that be awesome to have something like the JWST? You know, this nebula is cursed. Even getting 9 hours of data took a month because the Horsehead was so poorly positioned in the evening sky. Now it's better positioned but it's been raining for a solid month. If the rain would ever clear, as long as the nights are now, I could add another 20-30 hours and finally get enough information to make a good version of this image. Is it cloudy over Spain lately? It's that time of year, when the weather changes and the sky doesn't cooperate.
@@SKYST0RYAt the place were I live in Spain, Galicia, it's easily cloudy. I live at 750 meter high, most of the past nights started promising, but then clouds came rolling in.
@@robvandenwijngaart1970 Hopefully, that will change as winter settles in. Usually, we have great dark Decembers and Januaries here. But this year has been different. Wetter.