I used this video as inspiration to build my basement steps. I’m a 70 yr old diy er and work alone. I knew lifting a 2x12 was out of the question. I had an 8’ height so 13 steps. I found the most difficult part was cutting the triangle pieces exact. I installed the 3 2x6 stringers. This took a long time to get the angle exact for all three. Then I installed the riser triangles one step at a time. The horizontal extra support for each triangle was a must. Used a level constantly was a must. Glue is a must. There was a lot of screwing which is hard on your hands. If you aren’t experienced driving screws you might get too frustrated, I have a lot of experience. The good news that after five 8 hour days I had a very nice staircase. I find that at my age I don’t push over 8 hours a day as injury and mistakes can happen. Thanks for the idea mate!❤
After watching a bunch of your videos I have finally subscribed. I need your quality of workmanship in my life as something to aspire to. All the best, Pete
Nice to see the “Craftie Cumbrian Crag Rat” sporting suntanned forearms, chiselled by hanging from his fingertips on rock faces and the “Quality Christian” make an all too brief appearance. Between them they upped the kudos of the channel in one fell swoop 👍. Nice to see you all together again 😁.
That video was far too short for a star 🌟 appearance of James and Ian, Skillbuilder's never been the same since they left ! Get them back more often what ever the cost.
@@iantarncarpentry4285 Well we'll just have to wait for the next heatwave Ian, but Roger's missing you 2 guys badly. Good luck to you whatever your upto these days.👍👍
Good video Roger. I fell foul of the planning laws with the height of a deck. It was under 300mm a the door but by the time it came out 4m, it was 1.5 m above the ground. The neighbours were very unhappy despite having a similar structure themselves. The building inspector said get retrospective planning permission. We did problem solved
I've never seen stringers cut that way. 99% of the ones in my area are cut from a 2x12. I actually kinda like this technique. It's a more efficient use of lumber, and at least as strong as cut stringers.
@@SkillBuilder is that just a concrete patio slab or a 100mm or so deep concrete slab you formed? We want to put one step up to deck, wondering if off the shelf slabs on grass are suitable to bear a few new joists connected to existing deck structure.
Make the deck step 7.25 inches high riser, not 8 inches which the maximum. Make the treads 10 inches deep no less. Much more comfortable. Baby could crawl under that gate more than 4 inch gap.
The bloke I had do my decking really messed up on my steps, it's like a ladder , I'm going to try and do my own, my deck is about as high as this one, and I can't use the bottom of my garden .. dodgey knee arthritus ...thanks for this video I'm gonna give it a go
“Somewhere out there”. Precision layout. Thanks for the video. That 400mm (4”) requirement is critical for safety (starting with a crawling baby). Found that one of our inflatable rubber balls was 4” - made final check of a long fence along a 6’ drop easy.
I wonder how many toddlers have actually died that way for them to make it law. I mean I fully appreciate that 1 death is too many but it seems like overkill, no pun intended
If the grooves face down on the decking it helps the moisture to drip away, if it faces up it will hold water and speed up the growth of slime lessening the grip.
@@Macron87 the grooves (reeds) are supposed to go down - it helps ventilation between the joists. Decking has been done for centuries in the US and Australia and they laugh at us Brits for having the grooves up. Apparently the grooves up fad was invented by UK decking manufacturers as an anti-slip feature, even though it has no basis in science (it probably makes them more slippy as they get filled with slime quickly).
Sorry, but these skill builder videos do not give enough detail on the actual construction/ methods of the project. It started off well then fell into a time lapse music video.
@@e2linuxos no, not joking. technically the risers, not the steps/treads. so, 1.47m divided into 8 even step-ups is 184 mm. now, you don't need a bottom tread b/c it's the ground that the first riser rises from and the top riser goes to the finished level of the deck, so both the top and bottom end w risers and between 8 risers there are 7 treads to step on. [it's always one less] you are correct.
@@e2linuxosthis really should be there in a howto video! So measure the total height, divide by desired step height, then round up. Divide total height by that number to get the rise. Then build that many minus one steps, because the deck itself is the last step.
"What you need to know," then fails to tell people what they need to know, such as: how deep the going of the steps should be; what angle the stringer should be; how to ensure the gap between braces is sufficient; how to fix at the top and the bottom...
Totally the wrong choice of glue on those steps. PU is incredibly weak and always fails before the wood does. Must have had some left over from a flooring job.
I'm sorry but it looks like a complete bodge job lol ! The height doesn't have to be 1100mm it can be 900mm, which gets rid of that awful build up underneath, looks about 200mm anyway
It's different for internal and external, internally a handrail has to be min 900mm to centre of handrail, for external its min 1100mm to top of handrail, hope that helps.
I used this video as inspiration to build my basement steps. I’m a 70 yr old diy er and work alone. I knew lifting a 2x12 was out of the question. I had an 8’ height so 13 steps. I found the most difficult part was cutting the triangle pieces exact. I installed the 3 2x6 stringers. This took a long time to get the angle exact for all three. Then I installed the riser triangles one step at a time. The horizontal extra support for each triangle was a must. Used a level constantly was a must. Glue is a must. There was a lot of screwing which is hard on your hands. If you aren’t experienced driving screws you might get too frustrated, I have a lot of experience. The good news that after five 8 hour days I had a very nice staircase. I find that at my age I don’t push over 8 hours a day as injury and mistakes can happen. Thanks for the idea mate!❤
Great to see Ian and James back with you Roger. Quality tradesmen 👌
After watching a bunch of your videos I have finally subscribed. I need your quality of workmanship in my life as something to aspire to. All the best, Pete
Great video Roger👍Nice to see the lads back working again on the channel 👌
Great to see James and Ian. How are they? Excellent video Rodger 👍
Great video. I struggled to find some stingers or the timber to make them last week. I,m doing this next week 👌 Good to watch you all
The lads two lads are back!
Nice to see the “Craftie Cumbrian Crag Rat” sporting suntanned forearms, chiselled by hanging from his fingertips on rock faces and the “Quality Christian” make an all too brief appearance. Between them they upped the kudos of the channel in one fell swoop 👍. Nice to see you all together again 😁.
Thank you Michael! Even northerners get suntanned in this weather 😂
Nice work 👍👍
Great to see the band back together Roger, even though it may not be for long
Thanks very interesting I had always wondered how stairs are done, and how you start. Very uplifting.
I remember a documentary about the standardisation of stairs... In early Victorian times, unregulated stairs by candlelight were a major killer!
Lovely job 🤙🏽🤙🏽🧱👍🏼
Good job
That video was far too short for a star 🌟 appearance of James and Ian, Skillbuilder's never been the same since they left ! Get them back more often what ever the cost.
Hello Kevin. I only come out in the hot weather 😅
@@iantarncarpentry4285 Well we'll just have to wait for the next heatwave Ian, but Roger's missing you 2 guys badly. Good luck to you whatever your upto these days.👍👍
@@amazing451 thank you very much.
GREAT VIDEO very helpful cheers Roger
Realy enjoyed that Roger very informative and full of usefull information.
Certainly Useful, thanks
Very nice job, great advice as always. Cheers.
I need to.see.video on how to build those hand rails and posts!
Nice video.👍🏻
Good to James swing by to do a bit of cameo work on skillbuilder
I always thought that the height of the stairs was to be taken from the the total run of the stairs, in case the floor wasn’t level,
great to see the a team back should have been an hour long video and get some oil on that creaky gate
Good video Roger. I fell foul of the planning laws with the height of a deck. It was under 300mm a the door but by the time it came out 4m, it was 1.5 m above the ground. The neighbours were very unhappy despite having a similar structure themselves. The building inspector said get retrospective planning permission. We did problem solved
In Australia, the stringers are readily available in hardware stores, also the treads. Very easy, maybe around £200 for a six step kit.
I've never seen stringers cut that way. 99% of the ones in my area are cut from a 2x12. I actually kinda like this technique. It's a more efficient use of lumber, and at least as strong as cut stringers.
Getting hold of 12 inch wide timber is not so easy and it is very expensive these days.
@@SkillBuilder What size timber did you use?
Never seen stairs done that way here in the states interesting.
Were the upright posts at bottom of steps set in postcrete? Do they need to be?
No they are just sat on the slab
@@SkillBuilder is that just a concrete patio slab or a 100mm or so deep concrete slab you formed?
We want to put one step up to deck, wondering if off the shelf slabs on grass are suitable to bear a few new joists connected to existing deck structure.
Hi guys, how wide are the stairs? Doing something very similar & don’t want any flex on the deck boards.
Make the deck step 7.25 inches high riser, not 8 inches which the maximum. Make the treads 10 inches deep no less. Much more comfortable. Baby could crawl under that gate more than 4 inch gap.
Australia has the same 100mm gap for pool fences but for balustrades, even several stories above ground, they allow 125mm gap😕
Hello to James, and hoping that the employment change is working out well.
The bloke I had do my decking really messed up on my steps, it's like a ladder , I'm going to try and do my own, my deck is about as high as this one, and I can't use the bottom of my garden .. dodgey knee arthritus ...thanks for this video I'm gonna give it a go
nice work, but why is the bottom slat not continued in the door?
it looks nicer and is also safer for small crawling babies
So is James back in the game now??
we kind of skipped over a lot of the under step decisions like extending the stringers, the landing, attaching stringers …
This was my impression as well. Started off very informative then the music started!
come on Roger you should know you take the height from top of deck to landing point, not straight down lol
My boss's observation about the Building Regs and the 100 mm spheres - "What a load of balls"
“Somewhere out there”. Precision layout. Thanks for the video. That 400mm (4”) requirement is critical for safety (starting with a crawling baby). Found that one of our inflatable rubber balls was 4” - made final check of a long fence along a 6’ drop easy.
I wonder how many toddlers have actually died that way for them to make it law. I mean I fully appreciate that 1 death is too many but it seems like overkill, no pun intended
Does James still work for kitchen company?
I don't think so as a previous video hinted.
@@nickhickson8738 cheers, must have missed that 👍
Is this footage from the 90's? Roger looks so young.
👍👍👍
Where's James!!
an opportunity lost forever 🤣
Trying to build wide stairs for elderly with walker and stay in code
If the grooves face down on the decking it helps the moisture to drip away, if it faces up it will hold water and speed up the growth of slime lessening the grip.
@@Macron87 the grooves (reeds) are supposed to go down - it helps ventilation between the joists. Decking has been done for centuries in the US and Australia and they laugh at us Brits for having the grooves up. Apparently the grooves up fad was invented by UK decking manufacturers as an anti-slip feature, even though it has no basis in science (it probably makes them more slippy as they get filled with slime quickly).
No where’s James? :(
The bolt should be on the outside of the gate so it’s still accessible for an adult but not for a small child.
Give it 3 months and the baby will figure out how to open that lock! Or climb out of it!!! Babies are little ninjas
I’ve much respect for you guys but I would never ever make cornered pieces of lumber like that for steps. Hopefully those stairs last.
All that soft wood next to composite decking doesn't look right to me, slim metal railings would fit well.
Sorry, but these skill builder videos do not give enough detail on the actual construction/ methods of the project. It started off well then fell into a time lapse music video.
1.470m/200mm=7.4 steps should round up to make sure they are equal and below 200 so … 8.
7 steps of 183.7mm takes you 183.7mm from the top of the 1.47m platform. Thus to get the 8 spaces you need 7 steps.
I dunno if I missed a joke though.
@@e2linuxos no, not joking. technically the risers, not the steps/treads. so, 1.47m divided into 8 even step-ups is 184 mm. now, you don't need a bottom tread b/c it's the ground that the first riser rises from and the top riser goes to the finished level of the deck, so both the top and bottom end w risers and between 8 risers there are 7 treads to step on. [it's always one less] you are correct.
@@e2linuxosthis really should be there in a howto video! So measure the total height, divide by desired step height, then round up. Divide total height by that number to get the rise. Then build that many minus one steps, because the deck itself is the last step.
Wish it was in inches. Also, you already have to know how to build stairs to follow the high speed parts of video.
Where's James?
That bottom tread looks rather high. Deffo more than 200mm
Not at the end , after paving .
Yes the bottom step was more than 200mm. It was to allow for decking to go down.
100mm spacing is pretty small for a baby’s head - I think this also covers the chance a politician may be about.
"What you need to know," then fails to tell people what they need to know, such as: how deep the going of the steps should be; what angle the stringer should be; how to ensure the gap between braces is sufficient; how to fix at the top and the bottom...
Totally the wrong choice of glue on those steps. PU is incredibly weak and always fails before the wood does. Must have had some left over from a flooring job.
Less music more talking please. I need information/details. thanks!
I'm sorry but it looks like a complete bodge job lol ! The height doesn't have to be 1100mm it can be 900mm, which gets rid of that awful build up underneath, looks about 200mm anyway
It's different for internal and external, internally a handrail has to be min 900mm to centre of handrail, for external its min 1100mm to top of handrail, hope that helps.
Unbelievable get rid of the gaffer tape and buy some stair gauges. Get yourself some 2x12’s and cut your stair stringer’s properly ffs 🤦♂️