Can Fitbit FINALLY Detect Sleep Apnea? - One Year Later with Charge 3
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Explanation w/ results' data 2:47
Summarized results at 5:34
Using Charge 3 One Year Later Thoughts 7:05
It only took 1.5 years for Fitbit to activate their promised Sp02 hardware since initial product launch date. Fitbit Charge 3 and Versa 2 are some of the Fitbit fitness trackers that can monitor your relative SpO2 during your sleep to provide clues into whether you may have sleep apnea, a condition where you pause breathing throughout your sleep causing your blood oxygen saturation to be lowered, which can cause a myriad of health issues.
But does the new hardware actually work? Let's find out and uncover my extensive testing and comparison with other sleep trackers, such as Garmin Vivosmart 4, Vivoactive 4, Beddr SleepTuner, Lookee Ring Sleep Monitor.
My favorite fitness trackers of 2020 thus far:
Fitbit Versa 2
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Great video, man! I was waiting on your input on this, knowing you have sleep apnea and regularly use a CPAP. Very good to know what I can expect from the results.
I hope it's helpful!
Did this help. 📝🙏🌬️. .. 12/31/21 and patience with ANY ONE UNDERSTANDING.. my SPO2. ARE ABOVE 110-115 most nights. PC & Heart doctors ( 4 mds, in 4 yrs). Don't worry.🌬️📝
Great video, thanks. I am looking for a watch for my 75 yr old mom who uses oxygen at night. The problem is, sometimes her oxygen cannula slips out of her nose, and her O2 drops. I end up having to check on her several times a night, which ruins my sleep too. Which watch or device would you recommend for O2 tracking during sleep? A watch that could alert or alarm low O2 during sleep would be awesome, especially if it could push the alert to a phone. Thanks for the video.
iPhone is most accurate
Can you evaluate the uses of GPS and importance of turning it off or on to get reasonable battery life. Sleep review is interesting and close enough to be helpful.
Fitbit charge 3 does not have on-board GPS but a Fitbit charge 4 does you might want to look into that
hi.my english is not good enough to understand your speekinig.which is the best and accurate sllep tracker about sleep apnea and spo2 levels thank to you .
Do you know if the Fitbit Sense o2 monitor is any more accurate? My doctor wants me to get a good sleep O2 monitor but I’d also like one that provides sleep analysis, type of sleep, duration, etc.
did the doctor suggest a brand? i think the. venu 2 has a more accurate pulse ox now!
DO you know if the Samsung Watch is good in this regard?
prob ably not, but mayne the next one will
So what is the best tracker for sleep apnea?
Now it's Fibit
@@JSyntax it's not beddr? I watched your other vid
According to the ring data not only don't you have sleep apnea, you're unusually healthy. It shows a low of 92%, and displays it as yellow, not red. While 92 is concerning during the day it's the ideal low for the healthiest people alive. When you sleep, especially during deep sleep, you're respiration naturally slows, resulting in a base of 88+ in healthy adults, but ideally a base of 90-92. Any higher than 92 is actually a bad thing and is indicative of a large number of diseases, including hyperthyroidism. But also excessive stress or exercise prior to sleep.
Very interesting video and you did a good little study on the different devices. Thanks
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I would like to compare the ‘time asleep’ metrics of someone with sleep apnea to someone who doesn’t have sleep apnea. All of those little red bars indicate each time you wake up during the night. Don’t you think lots of bars might be a better indication of sleep apnea?
This was really useful- thank you!
Thanks for the review and data analysis of each device. I'm getting a new Fitbit and I'm ok with it picking up estimated variances. It's better than nothing and it's something I can show my doctor. You mentioned you had more non-breathing events on your back. My cardiologist told me to sleep on my side because breathing stops more often when you're on your back. I think it's because the tongue and throat muscles get relaxed and tend to close the throat (because of gravity pushing it backwards, I think). I'm probably not saying it exactly right but it's something like that. Either way, it's best to sleep on your side if you have breathing problems. Thanks again for the analysis! 👍🙂
I got the garmin vivosmart 4 after buying a fitbit versa and returning 3 days later when it completely shut down on me, exchanged it for the versa 2. Returned it again cos it burnt my skin, other than that, I really really wanted to enjoy it, and I liked how they sneaked in some smart features, but there was always something NOT working. Not to mention the forums after after forums with fitbit's lifespan of only a year and a half. Whats the point of buying a fitness tracker with fancy features and a pricey tag, if its not accurate and dies on you the next year?
I rarely uplike videos, but you did a phenomenal comparison job, I had to at least press that like button.
Thank you so much for your kind support!
Hey great video, I think that the fitbit does "roughly" line up with your data shown at the 5 minute mark. It's just that that you should invert it, and cut the fitbit timeline off because they are not the same.
Your reviews on sleeptracking, particularly with spo2 are exactly what I've been looking for for quite a while. So I appreciate what you've done! I was curious what might be your recommended device for sleep tracking with spo2. Sounds like Fitbit is off the table.
Thank you so much! If you can catch vivoactive 4s on sale, it's fantastic for the convenience otherwise the lookee or Beddr are good alternatives but nothing something you'd wear 24/7
@@JSyntax That's great to know. I'm curious what the differences are for you between the vivoactive 4s and the vivosmart 4, for 24/7 wearables.
Thanks dude. This is massively helpful. Awesome video.
The charge 4 came out ...try that pls and update us. I am deciding between Garmin vivosmart 4 and charge 4. You input makes a difference.
If you need gps, get Fitbit charge 4, otherwise, nothing else has changed.
Thankyou for this, really useful. Subscribed!
Great information 👍 I actually found out I have moderate sleep apnea because of my fitbit versa 3 😁 I had high variation almost every night . It's really important to check blood oxygen levels .
I have FitBit Charge 4 and I just upgraded to Premium but I need the most detailed stats on my SpO. Is it worth me upgrading to Charge 5 or another Fitbit or Apple?
Thanks for saving my $$$. I think it's too early to expect smartwatches with an accurate Sp02 sensor
Thanks for this video. I just purchased a FitBit. I was concerned about my low oxygen during sleep. I am reasured and am reading my results differently.
I’ve never been diagnosed with sleep apnea and I’ve never had reason to believe I have it. But some random nights I do get high variations in my sleep. Do you think that is useful information or too early to tell if it means anything with the Fitbit
i have the vivosmart 4 and like it because of the spo2 sensor but wondering if you can compare it the new releases charge 4.thanks
I'd only consider the Fitbit charge4 if you really need GPS without using a phone
The honor band 5 has an spo2 monitor but im not sure it records all night? if it did it would be pretty legit but im not sure it does.
Let me know if you find out
I've done every restart possible and I still no smile face
Could you add links to the other sleep monitors you used and maybe even include a little blurb about how it performed? I checked your video caption and only found links to fitness trackers, but I came upon this video for sleep monitor performance related to sleep apnea data. I'd really rather just have a link to the best performing sleep monitor so I can purchase it.
My apologies. What other products do you want me to link to?
Was shocked how accurate the Fitbit is at detecting sleep. Unfortunate the sensor seems practically useless though for detecting sleep apnea. I've tried the Apple Watch several times over the years but just didn't like the form factor and having to constantly charge it. I'm using the Charge 4 and am pretty happy with it overall as a tracker.
Has it been giving interesting spo2 data for you?
Thanks very much! i was looking into pulse ox and potentially purchasing the Garmin
Which one you got
Thanks this was helpful
How about Fitbit Versa 3 or Google Pixel watch in this perspective? Also, when you had your CPAP machine working, your variation should not be spiking as the CPAP is pushing air and preventing these cases, no?
I want to trade my Charge 5 for a Charge 3. The 3 seems to track sleep better. The Charge 5 is broken for tracking sleep consistently and accurately. How can a product get worse with newer iterations and then Fitbit just ignores it. They offer no real solutions other than telling customers to reset or move it up and down their wrist. So dumb.
I wish I'd watched this before buying a Fitbit Charge 4. LOL. I'm pretty disappointed with the Fitbit's spO2 results too, and almost immediately replaced it with a VivoSmart 4... which now I'm considering replacing with a Vivoactive 4S or possibly a Withings ScanWatch when that's released. Garmin's "Body Battery" feature is interesting, but I do miss Fitbit's more-accurate sleep/wake detection and sleep-phase comparison with other women my age, not to mention the better-looking graph in general.
Just found this so I'm not familiar with your situation bu,t have you been diagnosed with sleep apnea? Those scores don't look bad to me unless you are on O2 as you are recording. It doesn't look like you ever dropped below 90%. I'm not a Doc but have tracked mine for years and wish I had scores like that. I do live at 6500 ft elevation however.
With the new watch on the market updated for 2020 wich would be the best for sleep apnea ?
Tikwatch pro 3 vs Galaxy watch vs Scanwatch ?
I tried to google the ring one and I could not find it.
Looke on Amazon
finding your phone,,,, the secret is don't lose your phone,, I've got an earlier Fitbit and I've never had to use such a feature
or use an Alexa device or a Google device,, Alexa ring my phone I seem to have lost it
many of the Android and Apple devices also have Web sites where you can see where the phone is
Hi, I just found and subscribed to your channel and watched all of your sleep related videos.
I have a question for you if you don't mind, from your results, both Beddr and Garmin is showing SPO2 of below 90% for more than half of the time, but the Lookee is showing a lowest SPO2 of 91% for the whole duration. So either one must be not accurate? I have noticed your results from other videos as well with the Lookee never showing anything below 90%. Any thoughts?
Yes I noticed the same. I think Beddr sleep tuner SBE stopped breathing events is a better reflection. It tends to show blood oxygen to be lower. I've tested it on healthy person and they had improved results.
@@JSyntax Not sure if I am right but I would think Spo2 is more accurate rather than breathing pattern as the Beddr doesn't have nasal prongs to measure flow rate neither chest strap to measure lung movements. How else could breathing be detected by Beddr? And Garmin spo2 seems to be consistent with Beddr? Also the Lookee result of lowest Spo2 91% doesn't really indicate sleep apnea as it is very close to lowest healthy spo2 level of 94-95% considering margin of error(+/- 2% common to all oximeter).
I'm using the relative change in lookee. Tested lookee on individuals who were healthy and line was green all the way. For me, it's relative values versus absolute values. Not referring to the relative spo2 from Fitbit. Garmin, Beddr, lookee all provide more consistent results when testing on healthy vs non healthy individuals, whereas Fitbit had no signal between those individuals.
SO coll that wore five different gadgets to bed just to measure the Sp02 status while you sleep. I just love testing sleep or naps with smartwatches. Are you still testing that "BEDDR Sleep" device that is worn on the forehead?
Yes! I've run out of adhesives tho :(
My fitbit charge 3 is not picking up the spo2 am I supposed to turn something on?
so vivoactive track oxygen 4 hour also?
Vivoactive for the latest iteration tracks all night sleep or all day pulse apps. Are you thinking of getting that?
@@JSyntax i give up with my fitbit ionic, gps not accurate and jumping everywhere, i try buy huawei gt2 42mm, it is really cheap and very light, you should try, worth it
Interesting. question I have a versa 2 and it always showed my registering oxygen variation but the last 3 days it hasn't registered.. WHY? what is wrong? thank you
This channel is criminally underrated. Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much for kind regards
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Would it be the same for the Fitbit Sense i guess
So the vivosmart4 only tracks 4hours of spo2 when sleeping?
SPo2 question ⁉️⁉️🆘👌 is above 110-120 blood oxygen LEVEL dangerous.
Hello anyone 10/13/21
Hello any one. 12/31/2021. I'm still breathing... waiting. Knock knock 🙏📝
How does the Apple watch compare
Hi, I have a kid with CCHS(long story short -> potentially fatal sleep apnea originating from the brain and not from snoring) and I am researching if there is any wearable watch/tracker which would enable constant tracking of SPO2 with a combination of alarms for when values reach dangerous levels (e.g., setting for below 90)?
only the lookee ring sleep monitor comes close
Please test out the polar vantage v2.
otherwise your video is useful, and it's useful also to see something in use,, rather than just a brief review
10/13/21. Any updates. Drs making me go to sleep center overnight in center.
It's very good!
Fitbits are great for heart, sleep and steps. The really do need to work on their o2 hardware and app function. Fitbit's app is buggy and hangs way too often. With connected GPS, the Fitbit should be able to detect driving and pause footstep counting. Sometimes a 50 Mile drive will give me a couple hundred steps. Nobody can run 40mph. My Fitbit should be able to detect and know that.
That's awful I didn't I don't drive so I don't experience that
Would you say the lookee is comparable to the sleep tuner? Although the price of the sleep tuner isn't high, I can see the cost of consumables getting high. Thanks.
That's true but it really depends on your preference do you want it on your forehead or on your finger
You know your sleep apnea machine should tell you this stuff ? If it isnt detailed enough then find out how to get into clinic settings for more detailed result display.
Yes but I want more data points Esp sp02
I have a question that I can't find answered anywhere, but since you have experience with both the Charge 3 and the Vivosmart 4, I'm hoping you might provide some insight. I'm looking at both of these, but I'm mostly I tested in sleep monitoring (since I have sleep apnia) and heartrate monitoring (since I have heart disease). I not worried about workout tracking, GPS, or notifications. Which one would you recommend for my main 2 concerns, and why? Thank you for the great videos. Keep up the good work.
I think both will give you some interesting information in regards to your sleep apnea but I tend to prefer the Garmin version a little more since the data is absolute versus relative
Very much appreciated. You explained this well.
I get high variations at times but what is more concerning to me is how high my heart rate is while I am sleeping. In the 80s and 90s majority of the time
How is your blood sugar?
Thanks for making this review!
Have you reviewed the Versa 3 data now that they updated again, adding the high lines?
No unfortunately I don't have access to that watch! Let me know how it goes
Very good video! I like how you broke down the data and comparisons. New subscriber.
3:55 You don't have sleep apnea according to any of the data you showed from the non-fitbit devices.
Almost everyone dips to 90 periodically during the night, and most people dip periodically to 88 (considered the healthy base). A sleep apnea diagnosis requires frequent and extended dips to below 85. None of the data you displayed from any of the devices even suggest you may have sleep apnea.
You also need to bear in mind raising your arm (above your heart), such as to read a phone at night, causes your oxygen to drop a lot. As does poor watch placement that periodically occurs during the night as you move around. So the relatively small dips you are seeing in the data are not only in the normal range, they likely don't reflect real dips in oxygen.
Fair enough! I do have a cpap machine
@@JSyntax Interesting. I read cpap machines ideally keep the SPO2 levels of people with sleep apnea over 92, and ideally at 94, which is higher than the average for people without sleep apnea. This means your numbers may be a little low if you were using a cpap. But all the devices assume you're not using a cpap machine so they didn't fail to alert you. The numbers you displayed are perfectly healthy sans cpap and don't even indicate borderline sleep apnea.
The yellow range displayed by some apps are hit by almost everyone during sleep and should be ignored. They are only concerning when hit during the day and may indicated a lung disease like COPD, a severe viral infection etc..
I also have sleap apnea and you've been the biggest help. It's disappointing that nothing's perfect yet, but I'll be following you now so I'll know when you know :)
We will get there every two years is going to be improvements
Here's my take on spo2 sensor. I think the O2 reading on either watch will be inaccurate without calibration. Every time I get my readings at the doctor's, I'm at 99 percent. I can't wait to compare my tracker with real medical gear.
Howd it go?
You can make a video with Apple Watch?
I don't have one sorry
Will you be comparing it to the fitbit sense
I cant afford to buy the Sense :(
On new Fitbit 🙂.. my SPo2 spikes above 💯 5times a night. And help 🆘. All the mds tell me it's nothing. I do not 😴 snore. And help out there.10)13/21
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Any updates yet...
🙏📝🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏. 12/31/21
Useful, thanks.
Great. Idea. With charge 3 on sale ($100) was looking about the spo2 sensor. Since it’s not really beneficial I ended up ordering the Fitbit inspire HR ($70). Thoughts on that?
I still think it's worth it to get the spo2 sensor it does sometimes show variations and non variations
JSyntax or the Garmin Venu?
Do you know anything about the WellueO2 ring oximeter?
Thank you for your kind comments and no sorry I don't have access to this device
What you are refering to is the same exact thing JSyntax is calling the Looki(sp). I think Wellue is the primary supplier and others just put their own name on it. I have one but it is the one with the watch band and wire to the finger cuff. I use it all the time and it works great.
Great video, thanks a lot! Will be waiting for Fitbit Charge 4 review in term of apnea!
If you have sleep Apnea, let me know how it works on your end
Thanks man
I was comparing these last week. Glad I got the Garmin.
Which one did you get?
thanks for the info!
Wow, not only can I not get the newest firmware for this, both my Charge 3 and the replacement Charge 3 started dying within a couple months.
You should reach out to their customer service and they are quite nice if it still within the warranty
@@JSyntax I did and they replaced it. The replacement started dying just like the original. Two of them in less than a year. It's out of warranty now, so I am out of luck.
I just purchased a Charge 3 and although I keep finding articles claiming this new sleep metric called Estimated Oxygen Variation...I don't see it anywhere in the sleep metrics and I have FitBit Premium.
I wonder if FitBit pulled the oximeter metric after only a month or so?
Not very happy because the oximeter was one reason I purchased this fitness tracker given the way the coronavirus can effect your blood oxygen levels if you get it.
It's currently rolling out to all users. You'll get it soon. You don't have to be a premium user though.
Coronavirus won't give you reduce peaks of oxygen anyway, It will reduce your oxygen level for good if you are affected enough, so you will know that you have it for sure, not need of a tracker for that.
@@YannR34 Appears not to be the case. One individual didn't have shortness of breath, but after he died they determined that he had effectively suffocated. So it appears some people might experience dangerous reductions of blood oxygen without realising it.
@@ian1352 That is weird to not be able to do anything anymore and to not realizing it. Except if you are in a coma or something like that, or maybe totally paralized or sleeping. Otherwise you should be aware that it is something wrong if you're not able to do any basic stuff, because of the lack of oxygen.
Which is the best one to detect sleep apnea.
probably fitbit charge 5 or sense.
@@JSyntax thanks
Hello and thanks for the comprehensive review of these items. Have you examined by chance the SPO2 & Sleep features of the Honor Band 5? I would like to acquire a tracker that facilitates Oxygen Saturation readings while sleeping. The tracking does not have to occur all night just enough hours to get a window on my SPO2 health. I would like to know whether my levels are falling well under healthy norms. Thank you for your time and thoughts on the matter. Take care.
Unfortunately no I don't have access to honor band 5. You need to be very wary of these companies that advertise spo2 to a lot of them only take one sample reading but not track throughout the night
@@JSyntax Thank You for your reply. I may go the Garmin Vivo route.
@@tristandangelo9073 wONDERING if you got the Garmin Vivo. I'm looking into it and would love feedback. thanks
@@LittleDotCom Hello. Life really got busy and i put the purchase of but I am contemplating here soon. Thanks for reminding me. I will keep you in the loop when it happens. Stay well
Find my phone is there now
Omg, are you serious? I need to double check.
Apparently could not be available for the Fitbit charge 3
JSyntax awe boo. But thank you for this video I’m going to make an appointment tomorrow because mine show really high spikes last 3 days and a few weeks ago I woke up and I honestly couldn’t breathe and I thought I Caught the rona lol silly me
Thanks, Interesting Video.
I also have Sleep apnoea and am currently torn on which Fitness Tracker to purchase, between the Garmin Vivosmart 4 (for the SP02 sensor) and the Fitbit Inspire HR or Fitbit Charge 3.
Not to mention now that the Fitbit 4 is being released this month (April 2020).
Would you recommend the Fitbit Charge 3 for just general fitness information?
I'd consider buying a separate SP02 Finger sensor which would probably be more accurate.
Personally, if you want 24 hours monitoring, I'd go with vivoactive 4s. It's so damn good due its always on convenience. You'll never forget to track
@@JSyntax Hi, what's the battery life like with always on SP02 and heart rate?
"I don't want to waste your time"
Video is exactly 10.03 min. Time was wasted.
Thank you for your comment
After watching many of your videos, it has helped me narrow my choice. I will buy a separate device to track my SpO2 for sleep apnea. I want a slim fitness tracker such as vivosmart 4 or charge 3 or even the new charge 4. As per your video, vivosmart 4 provides more nerdy data which I am all for (I do love analyzing data). I also think the vivosmart 4 looks better. I will use the tracker mainly to do HIIT training at home and do some kettlebell and dumbbell workouts (until gyms open again for my weightlifting workouts). I run 5km once a week and always carry my cellphone so I'm ok with GPS connect. Would you have any final thought for me to decide between vivosmart 4 and charge 3? Thank you very much for your kindness.
Ooh thats tough! Both are excellent but I prefer the Garmin because of spo2, rep counter at gym, smaller size. Fitbit charge 4 or 3 has Fitbit pay, more accurate sleep tracking, better notifications. It depends on what you find more important. My real top choice if money is no option is still personally the vivoactive 4s
Thank you.
This is a very informative video, keep it up!
Thank you Andrew