the W210 E class, Is it a Classic Mercedes or not?
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I think the W210 may not be a "classic" in the sense that you seem to be referring to in this video, but it will be eventually. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they are better cars than what came after them. I had a 1998 E430 Sport, given to me by a client when it wouldn't pass the CA smog test. It was a one owner car with 300,000 miles on it, and still going very strong. I drove it for a couple years, and up to almost 350,000 miles before i sold it. They are definitely one of the reliable "greats" from Mercedes Benz, in my opinion. I dread the day you can no longer get decent ones for cheap on the used market. That will be a sad day indeed.
Yup, the E Classes have always been the most reliable in the Mercedes line up
Did you come arcoss any transmission issues? I’m currently in the market which I’m looking for 2000-2002 E430 and I’m coming arcoss some where the transmissions have been replaced within 130k Mark, what’s your thoughts?
@@bosshognit I think that is very common, as the transmission fluid typically never got changed on a lot of cars. No matter what the milage is on one that you buy, the first thing should be to change the trans fluid and filter.
@@Johnathan_Waters Thank you for that advise, so when it comes to the E430 model there isn’t any years that I should stay away from. As I mentioned I’m looking into the 2000-2002 year
w211 and w124 and pre-face lift w212 will be the winners in the future.
Any car that Bruno Sacco was involved in is a Classic
That’s pretty much where I draw the line as well.
There is a youtube video with him commenting on his favorites. Of the ‘modern’ models he was involved with, the w126, the w201, and the r129 stood out as stylistically being his favorites. I never could warm up to spider-eyes w210.
@@jz5937 yup I've seen that interview. I've also had a W126 and currently have a R129. Ive also had a W140 and 6 W210 Including 3 E55 AMG(I still have 2 of em). My E55 AMGs are my favorite cars I've ever owned. I'M 33 yrs old, so that was my dream car for a long time
SeamHead33 I’m 37 and my dream car, since I was a child (1990) was ANY w126, since I got to ride shotgun in basically a brand new 1989/90 w126 back in the day. It’s nostalgia factor for me. I can’t fault you for liking the E55 AMG. Simple, reliable, powerful and long term it can last 100’s of thousands of miles. AMG’s are generally in a different league altogether though. That said I never could get past the quad lights of the later Mercedes. It’s like how the 996 Porsche looks off.
@@jz5937 i hear ya. Im definitely gonna own a W126 again and a C126 someday. I love those cars. Check my channel I have a video of a W126 I totaled. Ran from the scene on foot and beat a DUI lmao. I Don't mind the quad headlights I like em, but to each his own. At least we can agree on the greatness of Classic Mercedes. The Best or Nothing
I currently own a 98’ E320 Elegance, finished in tourmaline green with beige interior. It is a fantastic car to drive, and with relatively simple mechanics compared to the W211. For me this car represents the last of the old Mercedes as well as the beginning of the new era, it has the essence of the classics but with some hints of what was about to come in the future. I know it has its faults, mainly the rust and some interior quirks, but my god, it really has presence and a certain charm to it, its the type of Mercedes that you could look from far and with no doubt say “that’s a Mercedes”, unlike the new ones that aren’t really that distinctive from other brands.
The rust issue on the W210 huge if you don't live in a dry area. In Europe Mercedes tried to do good and had an extended warranty where they changed body panels to try to save their reputation. They even changed the roof on some cars due to rust, that is insane! It's the water based paint that is partly to blame. The W124 from 1994 and to the end also had the new paint and they rust more and in a different way than the older years. But a W210 is very comfortable to drive and they run for 5-600000 miles if you live where they don't rust away.
As you know I love my W210 non turbo diesel. 225k on original engine and transmission and going strong. I don’t care if it’s considered a classic or not. I’ll never sell it.
I love mine as well, 293k miles, original engine and tranny but still running strong. Looking to buy another as well
230k on mine... runinng for 16 years...
2.2L, 2.5L or 3.0L?
I have the 2.5L and although it never had a problem with the engine, it is very slow
@@antreaskonstantinou8585 3.0. It’s not fast but it’s fast enough to keep up with traffic.
@@walterstrahota2956 same goes for the 2.8
Have a 99 300td owned for the last 8yrs best car I've ever owned,no issues at all has never left me stranded. The om606 is the last great diesel.
yup I've had 6 W210, never been stranded once, driven my E55 with over 200k miles Massachusetts to Florida and back 3 times. no problems, 24 mpg
I beg to differ, I habe the OM613 in my facelift S210 Avangarde, its superb. maybe not as simple and easy to fix but a lot better to drive. that being said I want a 300TD regardless in the future
I love my 1998 W210 still like new in and out, one owner with 140k. Great car. Thanks Pierre for your great channel with lots of info.
What problems have you had with this car? I am considering one with a V6.
@@michaelmcfeely6588 It is a V6, and nothing major just normal wear. Regular maintenance, the car keeps going and very dependable and great on gas. I love the car even though I have the 2009 E350 w 211, but I love the older one. Good luck on your next MBZ.
The M112/113 are some of the best engines Mercedes ever made. These motors are good for 300k miles. No timing chain or head gasket issues.
I have a 99 E430 with the M113 engine and 253k miles. My car is fast, reliable and fun to drive.
Put some respek on dat lol
Cut off the exhaust i promise you shock your whole niebuhrhud
Mine has 280k. Best car I have ever owned. Loved it so much, gave it to my daughter and upgraded to a W210 E55. When it works, don't change.
@@peterosullivan5611 I am at 275k. Planning on taking it 600k ❤️
just the greatest car ever built
I've owned 2 W210s. Great cars!
It will be a classic as it has a style of its own.
It may not have been a style and design milestone like the w124 and w126, but when I am out in mine it is starting to get attention as it is so different to the current cars, and yet it doesnt seem like an oldie.
Its day will come!
As the current owner of a W210, 211 and 212 they all three have their good points as well as not so good. But overall the 210 is indeed a solid daily driver that I still enjoy.
Thinking about a non rusted w210 wagon for my daughter. Never drove or experienced an older MB. We own an S212 E350, and a W212 E550 facelift. These are our daily drivers. Where your channel comes in is I love the idea of an older model Mercedes, so thank you for sharing all your experience!!
I had a 2001 E320 and I agree with everything you said! Rust was my major problem!!
As the owner of two previous W210s, 1999 E55 AMG and a 2001 E55 AMG, and currently a 2001 E320 4M. I can attest to the reliability of the M112/3 engines. I also have a 2004 S55 AMG Kompressor with 273k miles on it. As you said, Mercedes did an excellent job on the engine design, and I have be very happy with all three W210s. None of them have had any issues that needed a workshop visit - the E55s were under warranty too. I also have a 1986 300E with 46k (purchased from the original owner with all maintenance receipts at the dealer, and there is a clear difference in the design philosophy between the two. My experience so far with the M104 is in my 1999 S320 W140. I have been very pleased with the vehicle - the power, smoothness, and fuel mileage. It has 121k so I am unsure if the head has been removed or not. It has ice cold A/C, etc. It does need a replacement PSE under the rear seat, which I am working on. procuring and coding to the car. The other S-Class I have is a W221 S600, with 38k or so, but that is almost off topic for this video. I have owned to W123s - 1982 and 1983 300D, and they were reliable just like their reputation says.
The W210 seems to be the last E-Class that does not have "blanks" or missing options (which is a pet peeve of mine) as all the wood panels are made for the cars options. I miss those days. I understand now if a center console wood panel is ordered, it has seven holes or switches (including hazard switch) and blanks are fitted into the holes where options would have been. Not sure if there is a seat ventilation variant or not.
I love the W210 - it is different than the W124 of course (which is the actual car that got me into the brand) but not in a bad way.
To all w210 owners if you suffer terrible inner rear tire wear, research your hidden "Squeek" joint inside @ rear control arm / bearing knuckle.
They wear out & geometry goes bad & chew inner tires edges in 5-10 k miles.
Fixed mine & perfect rear tire wear / correct camber & handling.
Just a tip for ya !
GOD bless all who keep the classics alive....
PS Cheap $24 part x2 but expensive install tool !
While not considered a classic I absolutely love my 3 W210's..Two are 98's and one 01 4matic. I've never had any problems other than the minor rust issues. I maintain them very well and the transmission is on of the best Mercedes ever used. The lines, ride, comfort and reliability make it my daily driver! I've changed plugs and injectors at each 100k interval along with transmission fluid and filter at 50k intervals. The V6 Engine is amazingly smooth and easy to work on with plenty of power for my needs. Thank you.
I've had 6 of em, including 3 E55 AMG. Whether you like it or not Pierre, its a modern classic. End of an Era car. I know Mercedes quality started dropping a few yrs before but the W210 is still good enough.
It's not just Pierre. No one considers the W210 a Classic.
@@avivscrewvalla wrong. Me and at least 33 thumbs up think its a Modern Classic. Also most comments on this video are pro W210
@@avivscrewvalla the W210 E55 AMG is without a doubt a rare collectible Modern Classic
My E36
AMG now Qualifies as "Classic" in Australia for Club Registration purposes.
@@murraymaccullochella301 I'm sure several vehicles do. Conventional beliefs are that Mercedes changed after 1996 and that nothing made since is collectible. But to each their own - your money, your car!
The front of the W210 grew on me and I am talking about the headlights.
The only issue we had with our S210 was the driver's side inner low beam lights. The bulb would always go out. The same car transmission went out at 70k.
I would get a W210. As for it being a classic, Maybe? A modern classic if anything.
Start saving to replace the whole unit, I had the same problem with my W210 E55 AMG, the high beams bulbs were burning constantly and I kept replacing them until one day the driver side couldn’t be repair anymore so my technician who has been working on my car for many years at my local MB dealership told me the bad news. He said Sir you need a new set of headlights unit, apparently the W210 internal headlights wires are to delicate to support the power of the xenon headlights and the regular halogens so pretty much they were fried. I ordered a new set of factory Xenon headlights from Germany. It took 3 weeks to get home to Texas and he place them and they are so bright and nice. Unfortunately I saw the color contrast between the new set of headlights and the old ones I replaced the passenger side to match the new one. I paid for both headlight units $2000.00 and labor about $400.00.
Note replace with the factory original only or you can fried the fuses.
Built to a price-point instead of a standard. Many are still on the road though. Friends and I have owned 115's, 108's, 124's, 107's, 116's, 201's and 123's and I worked also on the 210's at an independent shop. "The Dreaded 210 Chassis" as we used to call them. If you own, drive and maintain one of these kudos to you!
My 2000 model w210, e320 avantgarde is now 21 years old. Everything still works, no major repairs just maintenance. I love my w210 and also planning to buy 190d to save until my retirement.
I think you did an accurate assessment of the 210. I have a 2002 E320. It has a mere 138,000 miles on it, and zero rust or corrosion. There is definitely a TON of complicated electronic and mechanical intricacies that need constant attention if--as you said--you want everything to work. The vacuum lock system sucks (or should I say stops sucking!) after 100K requiring all sorts of troubleshooting to pinpoint the exact repair--a fairly common occurrence. It's also know for having bad rear window regulators. I quit replacing them and just don't use them. Worst problem I encountered was just stupid engineering. The computer cooling fan was on the same circuit as a starter module. When my fan shorted out, it immediately kept blowing the (hidden/undisclosed) fuse in the start module. I replaced the fan and put it on it's own fuse to isolate the module. Overall, a relatively comfortable car, timeless styling, with a good power plant. A bonus is great gas mileage for such a snotty little engine. And a PIA.
i think the w210s are good cars.
and mine has been (so far) a excellent daily driver and as a tall freak of nature (204cm to be exact) its one of few cars i comfortably fit in but the roof could be 3-4 cm taller
i bought e430 25.000 miles on clock one year ago after one year i think is he will be with me to the end no way you gonna find classy elegant natural V8 with 300 hp with gold color haha classic for 100% this is millennium car propa 90s
A few years ago I bought a '97 W210. 200k. First six years of ownership were in Chicago. One small paint bubble of rust on the right rear fender probably due to a loose wheel well liner. I have done the majority of the work myself and the parts are affordable. Paid $2900, spent a few thousand on parts and service to do preventative maintenance. Needs springs and shocks, but other than that purrs like a kitten. Black on black, it always gets compliments and questions about the vintage.
I agree it's a stronger, more reliable car than came after it. I've had my 1997 E-420 (2nd owner) for over 12 years and as she creaps up on 210,000 miles, still runs like a champ and purrs like a kitten. Yes, there have been issues over the years, but repairs I could do myself or were affordable at a shop. Interior quality could be better, but still better than any Ford/GM/Chrysler or even BMW car of this age.
Lol thanks for answering my request Pierre
I think the w210 is a lot more reliable then people think it is mine has over 200k on it and it’s never broken down ever in 3 years and that car has been thru some really messed up stuff too
Hey @Pierre... Well I just bought myself a 1995 W202 C250D om605 na with 370kkm and its still running sweet. I suspect its got the 722.4 gearbox and has that hard shift from 1st to 2nd so I'll have to look at the vacuum system first. Exhaust manifold's cracked so im contemplating weld repair or replacement. My brother advised to add 2 stroke oil to every tank, he's got the 99' c250TD. What's your take on 2 stroke oil in diesels?
One big thing you overlooked was the perch failure. My 98 E300 perches were both replaced early on its life in eastern Pennsylvania. Only to both fail on me at 221k. Perch frailness was obvious; even mb replacements were thin too. Otherwise, I loved that car. Averaging 34-36mpg.
Nice honest unbiased review of w210. Earned you a Sub.
We have a 2000 wagon.
Been a great 7 place family car our kids have grown up in.
I tow 2500# trailer occasionally.
Half the battle is keeping interior bits working !
Overall vehicle is strong @ 225,000.
Needs VC Gaskets but don't they all !?
The Ford Crown Victoria was one of the robust American cars ever made.
Id love to see some of Pierres personal cars and what he likes to drive daily.
That's a good idea.
His daily is a 1983 300d with '85 differential.
I have 1996 w210 E220d with om604 manual and without any added fancities and 720 000 km on it. It feels like a classic to me :D
I own a 210 and a 124 cabrio. The closing of the door on my 124 is so satisfying,but I love my 210. Sorry piere I'm blind in 1 eye
I’ve got a coupe 124 and V6 sedan 210, trying to decide which to let go of
W210 320 4Matic built in 1997 with 255000 miles - best car I have ever owned.
Way better than the 3 x W124 I had before. It feels like a classic mercedes, same steering wheel, cruise control is not on the the steering wheel, one-armed-windshield whiper, interior holds up very well, no cracks no rattle, engine and transmission are super relieable. The ones that had the rust issues are long gone. If you can finde one pre facelift in good condition I would recommend it. You just have to get used to the round headlights, but the more I look at it, the more they grow on me.
The round headlights is the reason it going to become a classic.they called buggie eyed benz.i got one to.and people will be searching for them no matter what he says.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
After growing up in a family of Mercedes fanatics, the W210 has been one of the most reliable we have ever owned. It runs rings around the 124 driveability wise and still feels relatively modern and has modern mod cons. I currently own a 2001 E320 Avantgarde S210 wagon in blue black with anthracite leather. If you get a series 2 with a good colour combo they look great.
Some love it or hate it, however always had a soft spot for Mercedes wagons. I do usually get compliments of my car as it’s well kept and paint still gleans and everything still works!
I’ll never sell her..
I bought my 1st MB new in 1973 220 auto. It was a great car. Then l bought a 1985 w123 230 E. Also a very nice car. Then I bought a 1989 W124 230E a tremendous car. This car I sold and the new owner sold it to a collector in the UK.This car was red and in excellent condition. I also bought a friend of mine s car a w210 E320 1996 who bought the car new but passed on. According to me one of the best and finest car I ever owned and will never sell it in my lifetime. I also bought a 2nd hand W211 E270 CDI 2004 which was a night mare and just gave me transmission problems but still maintain the garage that worked on the car ripped me. I sold the E270 and found a 1998 W210 E280 one owner car with 82000km on the clock with full service history. The two w210 are both identical silver with Grey lather interior. Neither of the cars give me any problems and unless they are stolen or I have an accident I indend keeping them till I pass on. Thank you for your info. Regards Pieter Posthumus.
I have similar feelings.I think I will keep my 97 E200 as long as possible.I´ve had other Mercs,but this is so reliable and solid car.Much better than praised w124.
Needs to be mentioned that the HVAC on a W210 is superior in every way to the W124 it replaced.
Yes!!! Family had a few 124 and ALL failed their AC or has much poorer hvac compared to 210
The fact that it is being considered I think makes it one already haha
Maybe it isn´t a Modern classic (yet) but I am still saving for a E420 before the prices skyrocket like the late 80s MBs
get a facelifted E430
My 2001 w210 v6 gas runs super nice with 110,000 miles. Ive recenly replaced Bosch plugs and ignition wires, OMG..... it feels and drives better than the day it was purchased new at the dealer. Also have 2009 W211 AMG Sport 56,000 miles but I really like w210 better (2×).
ZERO RUST HERE in Socal, Very Dry......
What is the best economical version of the diesel engines? Cdi 270 or cdi 220?
What is the l/100km can I get in city roads?
I'm planning to buy one.. thanks
i got a 99 e240 with a m112.. yes i live in that part of the world where they sell the slow ones. and boy is it slow.. but ... its comfortable, presentable (i almost let it go to shits), reaches my countries speed limit (and even a bit beyond) and i love it
I think it is and will be a classic, many people my age (44) have grown up around these cars in Europe. It was "the" Mercedes for many people because of the many taxi companies running them for many many years. That's why I bought one, it reminds me of days gone and that is exactly why people buy old cars when they could easily afford a new car. I don't care much for the 40 year old models because they weren't around much in my lifetime. Nostalgia is the word. Also, reliability doesn't make a car a classic. The Lancia Delta HF Turbo Integrale is maybe the worst car ever, but it damn sure is a classic! Easy maintenance doesnt either, ever serviced a Ferrari or Maserati? A classic is a car that people hold dear, be it a VW Golf 1 or a Ferrari 512BB. Even a Lada Niva is a classic!
Thanks for that Pierre,I'm keeping my w126 , in fact looking for more
i had an E320 cdi estate. Black. everything worked and it drove great. i ran 5 years didn't cost me a penny! loved that thing. Still just Not the same as a w124/123/126. Why did these rust away so fast?? was like watching it evaporate. Also the bug eye... nnonono
W210 Minuses: Rust. (to be fair, that's quite a big one)
Plusses: Everything else
Edit; Hey, this turned out to be comment nr 210
As someone who owns one of the cars that followed (an ‘05 C240) I agree, they aren’t classics and they simply aren’t up to the same standard as a real classic Benz. That being said, I bought mine used in ‘11 and have had very little work done over the 9 years I’ve owned it - certainly less than an average car. Aside from a seat heater element burnt out on the driver’s seat, everything still works... I paid the same for it as a new Corolla and it’s at least twice the car. It’s all relative! Great video, Pierre!
I see many of these here in North Carolina, most beat to sh*t! Paint failure, sun damage, yellowed headlights, ravaged interiors, dents, etc. My mom's good friend has one that she does actually have properly maintain. She was rear-ended last year and had it repaired rather than junked.
People in USA don't take care of cars. That's why you seem them how you see them. I've had my W210 for 5 years now. Sure, it has bad things. But I can talk about many positive sides of this chassis! Love W210!
I own a 1998 W210 E320 with 112,000 miles. It's a phenomenal car to drive on the highway. In addition to this car (and for comparison), I have a W116, a W123, a W211, a W140, and owned two W124's in the past. Of those cars, the W210 is the one I have enjoyed driving the most-and ironically, it's the plain Jane of the bunch! It may never reach the classic collector status of a W123 or W126, but it sure does everything it does quite well and drives and feels like a true classic!
My dad bought a 1999 W210 about 7 years ago and he says it’s the best car he’s ever owned. After I drove his car, I was so impressed I immediately started looking for one for myself. You can find very nice, well cared for w210’s that are rust free for less than $5,000. So far, in nearly five years of ownership, it’s only required a new battery and regular service about once per year. Hard to beat it!
We're just looking into putting an E420T together. We found one with a spectacular purple designo interior and exterior. Obviously rust is the biggest issue, due to bacteria in the immersion bath for the chassis primer - something that also concerns the last update of the W124. If your car was dipped in a fresh bath, you're lucky. If not, the car started rusting at random places after 2-3 years. The other issue is that the chassis was extensively spot-welded, a lot more compared to a W201 for example. Also, the sheet metal seems a lot thinner compared to previous Mercedes-generations. And then, antirust protection was pretty poor. As far as them becoming classics, the AMGs are definitely on their way and due to the rust issues, in about 10 years, a rust-free W210 in great condition will be turning heads if you ask me.
Hopefully in 10 yrs humans will still be allowed to drive our cars. The environmentalists, politicians, and big tech robot promoters are gonna try to take that right away from us in the name of "safety" and "going green". I say F*ck that
SeamHead33 mind you we’re based in Germany and we have special laws for classic cars to protect them.
@@mozartcarclassics i hear ya brother. If things keep going in the direction they are currently, its gonna be 1 world government so we'll all be under same BS rules. Germany The Best or Nothing Gott Mit Uns
I usually drive a straight piped Supra, but my newly acquired rust-free E420 seems to attract even more attention. Back when they were new, I thought they were pretty striking bodies to look at... glad to have one now.
i agree with most what you say and you are a likeable person, good job
In the US, you did not get the m111 engine. It's a 2.0 4 cylinder kompressor engine with 193hp, witch is pretty much bulletproof. Mine is at 320k kilometers and still going strong, without any engine or transmission issues whatsoever....
Went to California to get an E420 with no rust. Worth the trip! Car's been reliable so far and is fun to drive. I loved my 1986 300E more, of course, but if you think about it, the W210 really is as good and bad as the W124 successor would've inevitably been, in any form. The body is gorgeous. W124 DNA is still abundantly present inside and out.
As the previous owners of a 300 dollar flooded e320 wagon I can proudly say most of these issues are very uncommon and easy to fix if you aren’t above visiting a junk yard
Nice review. I love the w210, it is one of my favorite chassi models of Mercedes, for me It looks like a Bauhaus sculpture. I almost bought one last month, but has been tough to find one in good condition and price, in my country. Sellers are not the best, they think you are doing a favor for them wanting to buy this kind of old cars. Anyway, they are beautiful machines. Congratulations tô your channel!
who is doing the favor?
@@raycroal buyers
@@raycroal that's what the sellers think. Haha. For exemple, I almost bought one, on the last time, I told the owner the car had some Paint and interior neglected issues. He told me the car had suffered an Ice Stone rain, he didn't like my words and cancelled the sell. Crazy!
@@raycroal I can Tell you, in one month I met so manu crazy owners/sellers that I could write a book or a funny chronic. Haha
@@st.filipeneri3193 cool I understand
Classic & modern classic of course being 2 different things. Compared to current iPhones on wheels, a w210 is a dinosaur & can be "sorted" (not to 100%) & ran somewhat reliably for very cheap (as mentioned here) especially if you do your own work & know what to look for. W210 e55 as far as amg's go is unarguably an end of an era car. Last amg of its kind period. The later v6 that replaced the m112 was the m272 w/ its famous balance shaft issues which was rectified halfway thru its cycle. Very well known cutoff in engine numbers between the "good & bad" ones. I have a "good" m272 in a c207 chassis. The 3.5L. I've done general maintenance on it & sorted it's common issues for pretty cheap. I'd love a real classic Mercedes, but sorting 1 is equivalent to sorting multiple w210's or c207/w212's etc. The difference of course is that once you sort a w123, 124, etc, you're done & don't have to become an electrician as well as a mechanic.
Use to own one , very good cars 😊
Your Content Are Awesome i Mean I like It
Everything you say is SO True !
Some times people opinions are just that.this will be a classic same button as its predecessors prolly one of the last with that interior.CLASSIC.😏😏😏😏😏😏
Yes I think so I drove e230also facelift 320 best boot and back seat
Lets be honest here its a modern classic, however the rust issues of this model made me stay away from it entirely. Prefer my w201.
my w210 started pullling to the side a while back, it turned out to be a rusted/cracked control arm, i think its really scary considering that ive driven it 160km/h with it cracked, without even knowing, you should do a video on this topic Pierre even tho w210's is not your cup of tea :)
i Googled "w210 cracked control arm" and found that several others has had the same problem
Mine currently. Only when I changed the brakes did I realize it.
W210 E-Class (Along with W204 C-Class) was one of the first cars I ever drove.
I currently own a w126 and a w210. One small thing that Pierre May have overlooked is how much better the w210s handle than the w126 and w124s. The w210 has rack and pinion steering and still feels like a modern car to drive. And it has the same interior space as the larger w126. But, I must agree that it is simply not a classic Mercedes because it is inferior to the earlier cars in every other respect.
this! also the transmission is much better. whenever drive a 124 its like driving a truck compare
@LaDante LaQuishia LaWashington
inferior by what standard? To leave such a comment unexplained tends to suggest that it’s not me that’s been smoking.
Most Mercedes drivers would agree, that in terms of handling and manoeuvrability, the rack and pinion steering was a huge step forward.
I have a 99 E430 with 320,000 miles it's still going so yeah I'd say it's a good car
i bought last year timewrap 25.000 miles so im good to go yes :D ?
Where you are in the world probably drastically alters your opinion on this matter. In Scotland most W210s rusted away years ago which is a shame as there are many things to like about them.
All of the W210s good points combined with a climate where rust wouldn't be an issue and I think you'd have a great car!
Go back to about 2006 and I had a 1996 W202 C280 Sport and it was still a tidy car with about 100 miles on it. My boss also had a W202 but a later facelift model, a C180 on a 2000 W reg. These later W202s were junk and never held up well and my bosses car at 6 years old had rusted out around the side repeaters so badly one of them fell out as he went over the speedbump at the car park at work. Six West of Scotland winters killed that car and many W210s went the same way
I’m currently in the market for a W210 E430, Which the years I’m looking at are the 2000-2002. Do I have to worry about the Transmission issues? Or was that for the models either??? Please help. Thank you
Look out for the transmission conductor plate (easy $200 fix) and find one that has its transmission fluid changed during its ownership, my experience with a 1999 E430 with 240k miles
W210 is a perfect daily. No need to worry about dings and small rust, but it is very comfortable with good reliable engine and transmission
99 E300 dirty gas, solid sleeper sedan. Interior holding very well. No issues whatsoever. It has been boringly reliable. =)
how you check the front passenger seat occupant detection sensor on 2000 mercedes E320 w210
I owned one few years ago. It was a 1997 e320. Quick car but it’s about it. Came back to a 190e. Not very good. Previous owner was one of my best friend and put a lot of $$$$ in it. It was bad for rust. Much more than a w201, etc. I leave up I’m Montréal and this is a perfect place to see cars rusting or not! And I am not talking about the uncomfortable seats...
Look if you have an W210 E430 you have to take care of it. You can't drive it in winter if you live in a snow belt and little things a lot of people are not aware of like replacing and greasing the front wheel bearings at 60,000. That said the feel in driving one of these cars and the balance of weight, power, handling, vision, comfort is unbeatable. As my mechanic says the Last Great Mercedes.
Oh the W210. I have one. I think it will be a classic someday (2050?) lol. I must say that the M112/722.6 powerplant combos is one of the best MB ever made. This car drives nicer than previous models. 28 mpg, reasonably quick, easy to work on, cheap engine parts - what's not to like? Although the "rear engine seal", breather covers, oil pan upper and lower are all at the mercy of RTV.
Now for the chassis. Good Lord. Bad paint, broken side mirrors, broken sunroof cables, broken window regulators, broken taillights (got to replace the whole unit), worst radio antenna of all time, drooping headliner, cracked dash, scummy steering wheel, and the coup de grace - no carpet pads. There. I think I'm done. Pierre is right.
the w124 rear light is one piece and the w210 has 2 pieces, am i missing something?
I have a 99 e320 wagon 4 matic it’s berry reliable with 182k
W210 is an excellent "starter" Merc. Knowledge base in the forums and internet is excellent. For better or worse, there are always about a dozen W210's in the junkyards near me. Parts are cheap including modules which would be an arm and a leg from the dealership.
Good honest analysis 👍
Appreciated
2 years after this video W210 went up in 10-20% in value
I love my w210 and I’m going to have to agree with you
The W210 E55 AMG is a Classic.
I have a w211, it is not the same car as my w123 that's for sure. But, I really like it and take very good care of it.
You didn't address the E430 which is a great car if you can find a nice one which is getting harder. Have you ever driven a E430 that is right? Dude you can't review the W210 without mentioning the E430 or the E55 AMG. Thank you for addressing the W210 however.
I have one and love it
You are quite right, Don. Back in '03 I bought an '01 E430, 18K on the clock and what a sweet surprise that car was and still is. It's a Sport version, surprisingly fast (I read the original road tests and it did the quarter mile @ 99mph, fast enough for this old man. Best balanced driver ever and my history includes Corvette, Porsche 911S, Lexus, wagons, trucks, etc. and after 18 years and 260K miles, I still enjoy driving it. Yes, bothersome electronics and expensive repairs but it's a Mercedes; not a speck of rust and wow does it sound and feel great at full throttle or purring around town. I love mine and get requests now to sell, but like a good wife do you get rid of her just because she's getting old?
@@pdlifeisgood2102 Thanks for sharing that PD, the last design of the great Bruno Sacco. I have a 2002 garage queen with 53k on it and it's a joy to drive and I don't know of another car with the feel of this car.
I have a 99 e55 and it’s solid. No rust, 250,000 kms and no problems. The headlight styling was a disappointment when new but they’re starting to age well. 10-15 years away from being a classic maybe.
I love the body style of the 2000 E-Series versus anything before or after. If you can keep it in good shape and especially address the ---> RUST
Pierre, I greatly value your opinions, it may not be a classic (only time can judge that, so we must wait to answer that), but from my perspective (own and maintain two W210 4matic wagons). I would also make a distinction between the pre-facelift (up to model year 1999) and the 2000-2002 model year w210, which included many additions of gadgets like the buttons in the steering wheel, the lights in the sideview mirrors, and reduced serviceability, to name a few. Bottom line for me is late 90s W210 has much of the legendary mercedes engineering and practical value and functionality, and yet they can be had for under $5k for a good daily driver. It may not be a classic like the '78-'85 era, but they are a great value on the used market, especially if you do your own maintenance. And I agree that the more chipped the cars get, the less desirable over time as they lose their maintainability. The w210 has this issue, as it is a matter of time before the critical electric components are obsoleted (anyone know someone who can overhaul my instrument cluster?), and hence, the whole car becomes undriveable. That doesn't mean you can't retrofit with a carburetor, but that's a whole different level of modding which most owners would not take on.
Cuál consideras son los mejores años del W210 a gasolina? 👍🇲🇽
W210 is the last best looking 4 door model from MB.
I mean you're wrong but that's ok 🤩
I hope you recover your vision soon
I agree timeless design, also love the 124 as well
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What's yours?
You forgot the W211. It also had separate circular headlights so since it has that it must be good Merc
I'm sure Pierre is right about the cons; repairability etc. But my 2 cents - I had a 2006 E320 CDI that worked perfectly. 40 mpg+ highway on several cross country trips. The Navigation was terrible at the time and there was no way to install Satellite radio (without butchering the Command console). So I traded it in for a 2011 E350 Bluetec. Big mistake. Kept the 2011 for only a few months. Wish I had kept the 2006. Might not be a classic, but it might have been the last of the good diesels, at least for 100K miles or so. If I could find a "sorted out" W123 I'd buy one; I'm too old to wrench them myself, and it's hard to find one that doesn't need a lot of work. Wish I lived in Florida.
did you have the straight six or the vee 6 320?
I'll be interested to see you follow this up in 8-10 years or so with a similar analysis of W211s and 212s. It's all been anecdotal evidence for me but I'm under the impression that 210s and early 211s were kind of the nadir for the E-Class and that late 211s and 212s saw an uptick in terms of build quality. For the diesels, going from OM648 to OM642 hasn't been an improvement in terms of longevity and the OM642 and OM651 strike me as being the last gasp for the Mercedes diesel passenger car in North America. Again, anecdotal and will be glad to be proven otherwise.
As for the W213, it's beginning to blur the line between automobile and autonomous "mobility device" to a point that makes my Luddite self shy away from it.
I've been considering purchasing a 1999 - 2002 W210 for a while but the reliance on SDS software has been the biggest deterrence. Is there an aftermarket scan tool or knock off software that can be used as an adequate replacement?
there are clones, of the sds dianosis tool that i think cost about 600dollars, clones are more cheap i dont know about those but if you do youre research i think you can find something good for less than 600dollars, Im not very sure, just do a little bit of research, but you need sds diagnosis or compatible thats for sure, good thing is that is one of the latest models you can program for youreself after the w210 Mercedes make you go to the dealer for a key to program everithing.
buy facelift models they improve reliability.
carsoft 100 pounds uk
@@alejandropalazonurtubi3520 True with other brands maybe,not with Mercedes.Many consider the early w210 as last great mercs.
@@matsujarvinen Well til what I know Mercedes improve their models every year so last year production and facelifts use to be more reliable. And them they say V6 doesn,t have head gasket problems like six in line.
So in 10 years with it be considered a "classic"? I think so. In any event my 2001 E320 is the nicest driving car I've ever owned, and I've owned an awful lot of cars over the last 45 years. And it's been pretty reliable and not too hard to work on. Decent examples can be found for cheap. Bad paint and some oppressive electronics, but all in all a damn good car. In one of Pierre's older videos he called the W210's some of the worst cars ever made! Yes, he actually said that.
yeah the cars he likes don't have faults
I certainly don't consider my W220 a classic which was made in the same era. I would think when a car reaches 30 years then yea call it a classic if your so inclined.
@@GDOTV1 there is no rule like that the r107 was considered a classic when they were still coming of the line in 1989
I currently have a 2009 Mercedes sl550 . It’s presently my only car. But I don’t want to daily drive it , I want it more as a fun gt car, and so I want something more practical, older, and closer to a beater. Although I’m not saying w210s are necessarily beaters, far from it. I was thinking of buying a cheap, under 5k, Mercedes e320 w210. I don’t want the e420 or e430 because I want v6 gas mileage and that sturdy v6 engine for the w210. I already have a powerful v8 in my sl550 which is my performance car, so I don’t need another big powerful motor, I want more room and comfort to sometimes take elderly parents around places or anyone else like a dog, commute to a job when I have a job later at some point in time, safety, and I’m not necessarily looking for performance.
Don’t want rust move to California it was 96f today LOL. 2001 E320 150,000 miles .
I almost broke out the computer to respond. We have a w126 and a w210. While I don't think the w210 will ever qualify as classic, it is a very solid performer and no slouch at all. I personally prefer the v6 non 4 matic for balance and weight. It's just more fleet afoot. The extra hp from the v8 doesn't make up for balance and the additional weight.
I like them and dislike them for different reasons.
W210, nimble, quick and basic.
W126, lwb lovely, solid and planted.
W210 can feel flimsy at the edges. Steering wheel Volume controls need to be cleaned with rubbing alcohol and there are some idiosyncrasies with errant valve cover oil leaks and make sure to change the "lifetime" trans fluid. If you aren't on top of "made of rust" issues beware. If you have a solid one like we do, you will be very pleased. I love the w210 and it's the reason I fell into my w126.
My w126 350 SDL is at a whole different level, apples and oranges comparison. It's like driving a bank vault that does 100+ mph and gets 25mpg. People know I've arrived and I don't have to search for my car in a parking lot. I'm not liking my w126 right now as it looks like I've got to pull the dash to do the blower motor. I can't blame the w126 though as it's almost 30 years old. I just wish that MB didn't build the car around the blower motor though.
w210 in general may still be a classic in another 5 to 10 years. it's gaining in popularity. w210 E50 AMG are now being sold in $25k to $30k USD range for nice examples. E55, E420 and E430s are going up in value too.
I have 2 w210s, and i think you either need to draw the line at the w123 for a classic, or draw the line with that disastrous Chrysler merger. Or you could just go with age like any other car. A Pinto is now a classic. An Edsel is an incredible antique.
I have an e290 turbo diesel and i love the car, bomb proof engine, 6,5lts of diesel per 100kms, the only thing that could be better is the engine noise, some times sounds like a tractor, its a noisy engine. Super confort, super reliable, driving it is always an ocasion, a very special car ...