Cataclsym Survival Hunter Guide! Rotation, Stats, Reforging, Pets & More!
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00:00 - Why Survival Hunter
00:21 - Class Changes
01:34 - Talents
02:41 - Glyphs
04:50 - Rotation
06:15 - Opener
07:21 - AoE Rotation
07:49 - Cooldowns
08:06 - Stat Prio & Reforging
08:34 - Pets
09:12 - I forgot something....
09:35 - GEMS
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Thanks for this. I decided to lvl my elemental shaman first but am excited to finally now push my hunter and get gearing. Survival looks very enjoyable and smooth to play
Love this guide!! Thank you for the tips!
Alright, I JUST tested this in-game and confirmed that explosive shot during TnT can be fired 3 times in a 4 gcd window without dropping any ticks of damage. Casting ExS x2, then arcane (or cobra), then ExS again results in a full 9 ticks of damage, wheras casting it back-to-back does 7, and casting it with filler between each cast still only results in 9.
So, when you get a TnT proc, immediately cast 2 explosive shots (slightly delay second shot by a hair only if you are moving toward the boss, the shortened travel time can result in it refreshing too fast and you dropping a tick of damage), followed by a filler (Kill shot if target under 20%, arcane shot if over 70, cobra shot if under 70) and then your last non-TnT cast of ExS.
6:55 The haste soft-cap of _757_ is so that you can fit 3 cobra shots perfectly between 2 ExS, it has nothing to do with filler between ExS during TnT.
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amazing guide Sarthe congratz!
Great guide! Thank you!
YES!! THE GUIDE WE ALL HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR AND IT DROPS DAY 1!! ALL HAIL KING SARTHE
Ive always wanted a mixed melee/range spec with hunter. Im having fun placing my traps smacking with my huge sword then getting those sweet explosive shot procs. Lots of fun for me in dungeons
Hey, great vid. Ever considered doing a macro summary video?
Great guide! But i've found that after using the final lock n load proc its better to not use a Cobra shot and to instead just wait until around 0.5 sec left on the current ES and then put it on CD. Hope this helps someone
How important is snapshotting stats to your serpent sting? Does this roll over when you extended it?
Why is cobra shot used instead of steady shot? You can get 15% haste with steady shot too
helllllllll yeah lets gooooooo!
How to make the LnL aura above character head to show it doesnt work for me in prepatch
What's the WA for the rotation helper and also for just the hunter interface?
What's the WA for the rotation?
@Sarthe can you give me a short list of your addons you are using. The interface is so much better than the one i have
first time playing hunter and cataclysm! Thanks for the helpful guide :)
hey dude, where can i find the weak auras you're using? thanks
So I have a question. In cata which is more important, stats or weapon DPS? Say I find another ranged weapon that has -1 agi but + 3.9 dps. Should I take it? Or keep what I have?
Can you give us a video on Add ons for debuff timers, Week Auras, Macros? Anything to help be most efficient. Im returning after 18 years. Never played a hunter, I am semi Cheeks. Thanks in advance!
we should be on the patch with the LNL "semi fix" so we can do Exp,Exp,Arc.Exp Shot or weave in cobra but as long as there isnt a pre existing tick of Explosive shot we can back to back the 1st 2 and not override the tick and still get 9 ticks of dmg
Yeah, I remember that from original Cata. It was LnL1, wait a tiny smidge after gcd finishes before sending second LnL (due to lag and flight time sometimes you would refresh Explosive shot too fast and it wouldnt get full ticks), then you would hit it with a filler, and then your non-LnL explosive shot.
I am unsure the state of explosive shot in Cata Classic atm, I do think it should be tested though.
EDIT:
Alright, I JUST tested this in-game and confirmed that explosive shot during TnT can be fired 3 times in a 4 gcd window without dropping any ticks of damage. Casting ExS x2, then arcane (or cobra), then ExS again results in a full 9 ticks of damage, wheras casting it back-to-back does 7, and casting it with filler between each cast still only results in 9.
So, when you get a TnT proc, immediately cast 2 explosive shots (slightly delay second shot by a hair only if you are moving toward the boss, the shortened travel time can result in it refreshing too fast and you dropping a tick of damage), followed by a filler (Kill shot if target under 20%, arcane shot if over 70, cobra shot if under 70) and then your last non-TnT cast of ExS.
6:55 The haste soft-cap of _757_ is so that you can fit 3 cobra shots perfectly between 2 ExS, it has nothing to do with filler between ExS during TnT.
what is that addon that shows the energybar in the middle?
What is the best race for hunters in cata?
Thanks!
747 haste is for getting 3 cobras in between explosives and has nothing to do with lnl
Small fix: Sniper training talent always increases your crit chance on Kill Shot for 15%, not only if you stand still
If you’re not haste capped are you always doing arcane shot during lock and load? Even if your focus is below 70?
@@Londos1995 no, its just max dps output 4 explosive shot
What do you use to enchant weapons?
Anybody know all the options for trap launcher macro and how to write them?
I haven't really used macros in a long while like mouseover or @target position or anything. Can someone help out?
where are the pet talents? there is 2 different ferocity builds which are viable i think
HI, pls cap stat. Crit, mastery, haste? Ok hit 8% ?
Someone know where i find the source for the grafik in 8:50 ?
Great video as always! I have a Q: At how many mobs should we stop using LnL proccs and just cobra/multishot? In large packs i find it hard to decide…
To clarify, the global of a LnL procc delays focus gen for a potentially additional multishot
im pretty sure on 3 targets its still worth to spend LnL procs on really big aoe packs u just explo trap into multishot/cobra spam
Just wondering; isn't starting with serpent sting better on single targets cause it also buffs the damage of your next explosive shot, also maybe giving it an additional chance to proc before casting your first cobra shot?
Nope, essentially getting your Explosive Shot on CD immediately works out to be more damage overall than delaying it by 1 GCD. In practice though the difference is negligible.
love the guide would love to know ur weakauras
whats the point of taking "Point of no Escape"
What is the WA for your rotation order?? I wanna play Guitar Hero Hunter
i don't think its a rotation order. it seems to just be an on screen ability use for streaming. try looking up scrolling abilities used weak aura, might find what you're looking for there!
Would you please share your UI?
very good video! you can ask me your addons?
quick question , if i already soft hit cap and soft haste cap what shall i do with the rest of stats? since all the gear has crit chance i cant reforge , should i go mastery instead or going for more haste??
if you have hit rating and haste cap then crit>haste>mastery
@@TheDiversiak Mastery is better than haste once you have 757 haste (its less if youre a goblin but I'm not sure how much less).
@@amedaius8492 yeah right, I found it out couple days ago on sim
Warrior arms please
anyone got some helpful rotation macros?
Which addon or WA are you using for rotation order?
Run default ui like a chad
GCD History
Looks like it could be “CDTL2 (CooldownTimeline2)”… Cool mod.
RIP 434
Hey, hello, sorry for bothering you but how do you always keep autoattack during this rotation? Please tell me how :( My damage is awful tbh :(
Autoshot is now unaffected by movement and rotation. It will ALWAYS be going unless you intentionally mess it up
with an old macro or something. It is literally of no concern anymore unless you intentionally fuck it up.
Your autoattacks are... automatic :) you no longer need to focus on that.
Tbh wish MM was still best talent tree
video pet best cata?
@sarthe what professions do you recommend?
PvP PvE Main or Alt it depends on what you wanna do
@@mikhail5002 obvs for pve^^ i wanna do maximum dps
Should we use kill command with pet or not anymore?
nope
Why is killshot lower prio than explosive shot and even serpent sting?
It isn't. It is always priority if it is up. We even use the glyph for 2 kill shots. Been playing hunter since BC personally & playing it again in Classic.
@@elizabeth-2213 yea, i thought the info in this video seemed a little.. off...
I have mage, rogue, and hunter all at 80 ready to go. Mage and rogue geared AF, Hunter not very. I guess gear doesn’t come into it as it’ll be replaced fast.
Ahhhh what to focus on?!
Cataclysm, typo!!!
isn't it technically marginally better to apply serpent sting with multishot on ST?
Sims show it to be a slight dps increase, and a good QoL change as you can drop a keybind.
Is orc still the master hunter race or?
Now furries is bis coz of 1% crit
Panda bis
Idk I've heard people say troll cuz of berserk and Bow crit since most of the BIS ranged weapons are bows in Cata.
what about Kill command ? not using it at all ?
No only for BM spec u use KC
It is t worth the focus it costs, prio is ES
maybe arms war to pls^^
did he ever played warrior?!? wtf this is so random
The Addons??? 🤔🤔🤔
You mention that Survival hunter will be one of the best dps until last phase. How do they fair last phase? Do they drop multiple spots to stronger p4 classes?
no one knows this yet
hunter will be dead play mage or just change every new patch if u need to be top dps…
@Riscs I only play hunter or rogue so will bounce between the two depending on performance.
Casters with staff and rogues with daggers will dominate last phase. A good hunter that knows fights, and their class well etc is still a million times better than a bad rogue or caster with legendary weapons. I’d say last phase they drop down to a mid to high A-tier level if you’re a good hunter. Just my opinion, this can change.
From what I remember during the original cata, MM hunter pulls ahead somewhere in DS.
frost DK
Black arrow in aoe??
Yes, but not if theres more than 3 targets. Then you trap launcher explosive trap.
You did not mention Explosive Trap VS Black Arrow..
Is Black Arrow better than Explosive Trap now? Since Explo Trap seems to be proccing Lock and Load way more
"Black arrow is always gonna be in your rotation on single target fights.. if there are two targets you will use explosive trap"
He talked about it extensively
Explosive trap crit damage is 150%, so you will be using Black arrow for single target all the time.
What video did you watch where he didn't mention Black arrow vs Explosive shot lmao
Black arrow is still better with up to 3 targets.
747 haste is for Cobra shots, not Lock & Loads. Your rotation is off as well. Kill shots are always priority, especially since we are using Glyph of Kill Shot.
being forced to manage Lock and Load to not clip them makes hunter feel awful to play, what a shame. on to another class i guess
the new LnL makes hunter more interactive to play and it's not even like it's a big deal.. you just weave an arcane or cobra shot between each explosive shot
Skill issue tbh. But I do understand if you played 4-3-4 rank explosive shot in wrath . Get your soft haste cap and dump a arxcane shot it’s easy enough
L skill issue i love the jeggelin this is when hunter gets good even more so in mop but finally not just a static class
@@luciendelacruz6421 skill issue lmao, let me know when you hit 3500 m+ rating
@@theroyalcam let me know when people care about m+ rating