Thanks for this. I decided to lvl my elemental shaman first but am excited to finally now push my hunter and get gearing. Survival looks very enjoyable and smooth to play
Alright, I JUST tested this in-game and confirmed that explosive shot during TnT can be fired 3 times in a 4 gcd window without dropping any ticks of damage. Casting ExS x2, then arcane (or cobra), then ExS again results in a full 9 ticks of damage, wheras casting it back-to-back does 7, and casting it with filler between each cast still only results in 9. So, when you get a TnT proc, immediately cast 2 explosive shots (slightly delay second shot by a hair only if you are moving toward the boss, the shortened travel time can result in it refreshing too fast and you dropping a tick of damage), followed by a filler (Kill shot if target under 20%, arcane shot if over 70, cobra shot if under 70) and then your last non-TnT cast of ExS. 6:55 The haste soft-cap of _757_ is so that you can fit 3 cobra shots perfectly between 2 ExS, it has nothing to do with filler between ExS during TnT.
i don't think its a rotation order. it seems to just be an on screen ability use for streaming. try looking up scrolling abilities used weak aura, might find what you're looking for there!
So I’m at the hit cap, all my items have Crit on them, but I have like 1300 haste and idk what to do with it, because I can’t add Crit and mastery isn’t useful😂
Late response but generally dots and hots in cata will get updated when you refresh it, so snapshotting is pretty pointless, especially when you factor in that serpent sting is merely there to activate one of your +10% damage talents while doing only like 5% of your overall damage
we should be on the patch with the LNL "semi fix" so we can do Exp,Exp,Arc.Exp Shot or weave in cobra but as long as there isnt a pre existing tick of Explosive shot we can back to back the 1st 2 and not override the tick and still get 9 ticks of dmg
Yeah, I remember that from original Cata. It was LnL1, wait a tiny smidge after gcd finishes before sending second LnL (due to lag and flight time sometimes you would refresh Explosive shot too fast and it wouldnt get full ticks), then you would hit it with a filler, and then your non-LnL explosive shot. I am unsure the state of explosive shot in Cata Classic atm, I do think it should be tested though. EDIT: Alright, I JUST tested this in-game and confirmed that explosive shot during TnT can be fired 3 times in a 4 gcd window without dropping any ticks of damage. Casting ExS x2, then arcane (or cobra), then ExS again results in a full 9 ticks of damage, wheras casting it back-to-back does 7, and casting it with filler between each cast still only results in 9. So, when you get a TnT proc, immediately cast 2 explosive shots (slightly delay second shot by a hair only if you are moving toward the boss, the shortened travel time can result in it refreshing too fast and you dropping a tick of damage), followed by a filler (Kill shot if target under 20%, arcane shot if over 70, cobra shot if under 70) and then your last non-TnT cast of ExS. 6:55 The haste soft-cap of _757_ is so that you can fit 3 cobra shots perfectly between 2 ExS, it has nothing to do with filler between ExS during TnT.
So I have a question. In cata which is more important, stats or weapon DPS? Say I find another ranged weapon that has -1 agi but + 3.9 dps. Should I take it? Or keep what I have?
Can you give us a video on Add ons for debuff timers, Week Auras, Macros? Anything to help be most efficient. Im returning after 18 years. Never played a hunter, I am semi Cheeks. Thanks in advance!
It isn't. It is always priority if it is up. We even use the glyph for 2 kill shots. Been playing hunter since BC personally & playing it again in Classic.
Great guide! But i've found that after using the final lock n load proc its better to not use a Cobra shot and to instead just wait until around 0.5 sec left on the current ES and then put it on CD. Hope this helps someone
What do you mean exactly? Why would you not want to fill the gap between every ES with a cobra shot? If you cap your haste out at 757 you can time a cobra shot perfectly after an explosive shot falls off opening you up whatever you might need to use focus on next in your rotation.
@@jaharis You’d think so. But, as the shot travels, it still lets the current ES tick, and it varies on range; so you need to learn how to do that to avoid clipping, but also use that to get rid of your current lock and load to proc another. Learned this in the classic hunter discord. Hope that helps
Just wondering; isn't starting with serpent sting better on single targets cause it also buffs the damage of your next explosive shot, also maybe giving it an additional chance to proc before casting your first cobra shot?
Nope, essentially getting your Explosive Shot on CD immediately works out to be more damage overall than delaying it by 1 GCD. In practice though the difference is negligible.
Autoshot is now unaffected by movement and rotation. It will ALWAYS be going unless you intentionally mess it up with an old macro or something. It is literally of no concern anymore unless you intentionally fuck it up.
Ive always wanted a mixed melee/range spec with hunter. Im having fun placing my traps smacking with my huge sword then getting those sweet explosive shot procs. Lots of fun for me in dungeons
quick question , if i already soft hit cap and soft haste cap what shall i do with the rest of stats? since all the gear has crit chance i cant reforge , should i go mastery instead or going for more haste??
You did not mention Explosive Trap VS Black Arrow.. Is Black Arrow better than Explosive Trap now? Since Explo Trap seems to be proccing Lock and Load way more
You mention that Survival hunter will be one of the best dps until last phase. How do they fair last phase? Do they drop multiple spots to stronger p4 classes?
Casters with staff and rogues with daggers will dominate last phase. A good hunter that knows fights, and their class well etc is still a million times better than a bad rogue or caster with legendary weapons. I’d say last phase they drop down to a mid to high A-tier level if you’re a good hunter. Just my opinion, this can change.
I have mage, rogue, and hunter all at 80 ready to go. Mage and rogue geared AF, Hunter not very. I guess gear doesn’t come into it as it’ll be replaced fast. Ahhhh what to focus on?!
747 haste is for Cobra shots, not Lock & Loads. Your rotation is off as well. Kill shots are always priority, especially since we are using Glyph of Kill Shot.
the new LnL makes hunter more interactive to play and it's not even like it's a big deal.. you just weave an arcane or cobra shot between each explosive shot
Skill issue tbh. But I do understand if you played 4-3-4 rank explosive shot in wrath . Get your soft haste cap and dump a arxcane shot it’s easy enough
Thanks for this. I decided to lvl my elemental shaman first but am excited to finally now push my hunter and get gearing. Survival looks very enjoyable and smooth to play
What's the WA for the rotation?
YES!! THE GUIDE WE ALL HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR AND IT DROPS DAY 1!! ALL HAIL KING SARTHE
Which addon or WA are you using for rotation order?
Run default ui like a chad
GCD History
Looks like it could be “CDTL2 (CooldownTimeline2)”… Cool mod.
Alright, I JUST tested this in-game and confirmed that explosive shot during TnT can be fired 3 times in a 4 gcd window without dropping any ticks of damage. Casting ExS x2, then arcane (or cobra), then ExS again results in a full 9 ticks of damage, wheras casting it back-to-back does 7, and casting it with filler between each cast still only results in 9.
So, when you get a TnT proc, immediately cast 2 explosive shots (slightly delay second shot by a hair only if you are moving toward the boss, the shortened travel time can result in it refreshing too fast and you dropping a tick of damage), followed by a filler (Kill shot if target under 20%, arcane shot if over 70, cobra shot if under 70) and then your last non-TnT cast of ExS.
6:55 The haste soft-cap of _757_ is so that you can fit 3 cobra shots perfectly between 2 ExS, it has nothing to do with filler between ExS during TnT.
can I add you somewhere to chat about this?
Why is cobra shot used instead of steady shot? You can get 15% haste with steady shot too
Cobra refreshes your SS on hit, steady doesn’t so you’ll have to manage SS
Hello, what is the skill that comes in the right corner like a slide show and how to install it too ?
I do cast cobra shot for 1,7 sec and seems to me like i waste a ton of dmg, how do i make it better?
what is that addon that creates a green circle around ur cursor?
Small fix: Sniper training talent always increases your crit chance on Kill Shot for 15%, not only if you stand still
If you’re not haste capped are you always doing arcane shot during lock and load? Even if your focus is below 70?
@@Londos1995 no, its just max dps output 4 explosive shot
nice pfp!!
@Sarthe can you give me a short list of your addons you are using. The interface is so much better than the one i have
lmk if you figured this out! looking for the same
What add on is he using for countdown or is it a WA?
Hello, can you tell me what is on the right side where the skills appear as a slideshow and how to get it same ?
can you make a video where you show how to setup that interface?
What addons do you use? Your UI looks amazing
Sorry if this was asked before
Whats the scrolling abilities bar on your UI?
What is the WA for your rotation order?? I wanna play Guitar Hero Hunter
i don't think its a rotation order. it seems to just be an on screen ability use for streaming. try looking up scrolling abilities used weak aura, might find what you're looking for there!
Love this guide!! Thank you for the tips!
Volley for AOE packs?
You the goat G 🐐 much appreciated info !
Hi can I have the macro you were talking about in the video? Thank you
What's the WA for the rotation helper and also for just the hunter interface?
Hi Sarthe, any chance you could do a class update/parsing guide and tips? ❤
hey dude, where can i find the weak auras you're using? thanks
Did you find them?^^
what is that addon that shows the energybar in the middle?
So I’m at the hit cap, all my items have Crit on them, but I have like 1300 haste and idk what to do with it, because I can’t add Crit and mastery isn’t useful😂
The more haste the better
How important is snapshotting stats to your serpent sting? Does this roll over when you extended it?
You ever get an answer for this? Also curious
Late response but generally dots and hots in cata will get updated when you refresh it, so snapshotting is pretty pointless, especially when you factor in that serpent sting is merely there to activate one of your +10% damage talents while doing only like 5% of your overall damage
@@DrICHundrannereyou underestimate how much people want to min/max. Even if it’s a .5% dps increase
The Addons??? 🤔🤔🤔
747 haste is for getting 3 cobras in between explosives and has nothing to do with lnl
amazing guide Sarthe congratz!
we should be on the patch with the LNL "semi fix" so we can do Exp,Exp,Arc.Exp Shot or weave in cobra but as long as there isnt a pre existing tick of Explosive shot we can back to back the 1st 2 and not override the tick and still get 9 ticks of dmg
Yeah, I remember that from original Cata. It was LnL1, wait a tiny smidge after gcd finishes before sending second LnL (due to lag and flight time sometimes you would refresh Explosive shot too fast and it wouldnt get full ticks), then you would hit it with a filler, and then your non-LnL explosive shot.
I am unsure the state of explosive shot in Cata Classic atm, I do think it should be tested though.
EDIT:
Alright, I JUST tested this in-game and confirmed that explosive shot during TnT can be fired 3 times in a 4 gcd window without dropping any ticks of damage. Casting ExS x2, then arcane (or cobra), then ExS again results in a full 9 ticks of damage, wheras casting it back-to-back does 7, and casting it with filler between each cast still only results in 9.
So, when you get a TnT proc, immediately cast 2 explosive shots (slightly delay second shot by a hair only if you are moving toward the boss, the shortened travel time can result in it refreshing too fast and you dropping a tick of damage), followed by a filler (Kill shot if target under 20%, arcane shot if over 70, cobra shot if under 70) and then your last non-TnT cast of ExS.
6:55 The haste soft-cap of _757_ is so that you can fit 3 cobra shots perfectly between 2 ExS, it has nothing to do with filler between ExS during TnT.
Great guide! Thank you!
HI, pls cap stat. Crit, mastery, haste? Ok hit 8% ?
So I have a question. In cata which is more important, stats or weapon DPS? Say I find another ranged weapon that has -1 agi but + 3.9 dps. Should I take it? Or keep what I have?
whats the point of taking "Point of no Escape"
Can you give us a video on Add ons for debuff timers, Week Auras, Macros? Anything to help be most efficient. Im returning after 18 years. Never played a hunter, I am semi Cheeks. Thanks in advance!
Why is killshot lower prio than explosive shot and even serpent sting?
It isn't. It is always priority if it is up. We even use the glyph for 2 kill shots. Been playing hunter since BC personally & playing it again in Classic.
@@elizabeth-2213 yea, i thought the info in this video seemed a little.. off...
where are the pet talents? there is 2 different ferocity builds which are viable i think
Should we use kill command with pet or not anymore?
nope
What is the best race for hunters in cata?
Thanks!
Still haven't seen a video of the actual Stats on a youtubers character... wonder why😅😅
Would you please share your UI?
Great guide! But i've found that after using the final lock n load proc its better to not use a Cobra shot and to instead just wait until around 0.5 sec left on the current ES and then put it on CD. Hope this helps someone
What do you mean exactly? Why would you not want to fill the gap between every ES with a cobra shot? If you cap your haste out at 757 you can time a cobra shot perfectly after an explosive shot falls off opening you up whatever you might need to use focus on next in your rotation.
@@jaharis You’d think so. But, as the shot travels, it still lets the current ES tick, and it varies on range; so you need to learn how to do that to avoid clipping, but also use that to get rid of your current lock and load to proc another. Learned this in the classic hunter discord. Hope that helps
@@catbreath62 gotcha, so what are you using as filler between your second and third ES? Just a quick arcane shot rather than cobra?
@@catbreath62 I'm curious about trying this out, could you explain what the optimal rotation would be?
@@jaharis Nope. literally just sit still and auto shot.
Someone know where i find the source for the grafik in 8:50 ?
Gz on 100k subs Sarthe! :D
@sarthe what professions do you recommend?
PvP PvE Main or Alt it depends on what you wanna do
@@mikhail5002 obvs for pve^^ i wanna do maximum dps
How to make the LnL aura above character head to show it doesnt work for me in prepatch
Just wondering; isn't starting with serpent sting better on single targets cause it also buffs the damage of your next explosive shot, also maybe giving it an additional chance to proc before casting your first cobra shot?
Nope, essentially getting your Explosive Shot on CD immediately works out to be more damage overall than delaying it by 1 GCD. In practice though the difference is negligible.
What do you use to enchant weapons?
Gnomish X-ray scope from the auction house or from engineering
Hey, great vid. Ever considered doing a macro summary video?
anyone got some helpful rotation macros?
Is orc still the master hunter race or?
Now furries is bis coz of 1% crit
Panda bis
Idk I've heard people say troll cuz of berserk and Bow crit since most of the BIS ranged weapons are bows in Cata.
what about Kill command ? not using it at all ?
No only for BM spec u use KC
It is t worth the focus it costs, prio is ES
video pet best cata?
isn't it technically marginally better to apply serpent sting with multishot on ST?
Sims show it to be a slight dps increase, and a good QoL change as you can drop a keybind.
Great video as always! I have a Q: At how many mobs should we stop using LnL proccs and just cobra/multishot? In large packs i find it hard to decide…
To clarify, the global of a LnL procc delays focus gen for a potentially additional multishot
im pretty sure on 3 targets its still worth to spend LnL procs on really big aoe packs u just explo trap into multishot/cobra spam
Hey, hello, sorry for bothering you but how do you always keep autoattack during this rotation? Please tell me how :( My damage is awful tbh :(
Autoshot is now unaffected by movement and rotation. It will ALWAYS be going unless you intentionally mess it up
with an old macro or something. It is literally of no concern anymore unless you intentionally fuck it up.
Your autoattacks are... automatic :) you no longer need to focus on that.
Ive always wanted a mixed melee/range spec with hunter. Im having fun placing my traps smacking with my huge sword then getting those sweet explosive shot procs. Lots of fun for me in dungeons
You shouldn't be going in to mele or drop traps
Before trap launcher you have to @@danmoore1427
the macro doesnt work, also it should work IF it would be a castsequence macro, but that wouldface similar issues...
quick question , if i already soft hit cap and soft haste cap what shall i do with the rest of stats? since all the gear has crit chance i cant reforge , should i go mastery instead or going for more haste??
if you have hit rating and haste cap then crit>haste>mastery
@@TheDiversiak Mastery is better than haste once you have 757 haste (its less if youre a goblin but I'm not sure how much less).
@@amedaius8492 yeah right, I found it out couple days ago on sim
very good video! you can ask me your addons?
Warrior arms please
love the guide would love to know ur weakauras
first time playing hunter and cataclysm! Thanks for the helpful guide :)
RIP 434
Black arrow in aoe??
Yes, but not if theres more than 3 targets. Then you trap launcher explosive trap.
@Sarthe can you share your wa, please?
Tbh wish MM was still best talent tree
helllllllll yeah lets gooooooo!
You did not mention Explosive Trap VS Black Arrow..
Is Black Arrow better than Explosive Trap now? Since Explo Trap seems to be proccing Lock and Load way more
"Black arrow is always gonna be in your rotation on single target fights.. if there are two targets you will use explosive trap"
He talked about it extensively
Explosive trap crit damage is 150%, so you will be using Black arrow for single target all the time.
What video did you watch where he didn't mention Black arrow vs Explosive shot lmao
Black arrow is still better with up to 3 targets.
You mention that Survival hunter will be one of the best dps until last phase. How do they fair last phase? Do they drop multiple spots to stronger p4 classes?
no one knows this yet
hunter will be dead play mage or just change every new patch if u need to be top dps…
@Riscs I only play hunter or rogue so will bounce between the two depending on performance.
Casters with staff and rogues with daggers will dominate last phase. A good hunter that knows fights, and their class well etc is still a million times better than a bad rogue or caster with legendary weapons. I’d say last phase they drop down to a mid to high A-tier level if you’re a good hunter. Just my opinion, this can change.
From what I remember during the original cata, MM hunter pulls ahead somewhere in DS.
I have mage, rogue, and hunter all at 80 ready to go. Mage and rogue geared AF, Hunter not very. I guess gear doesn’t come into it as it’ll be replaced fast.
Ahhhh what to focus on?!
Cataclysm, typo!!!
747 haste is for Cobra shots, not Lock & Loads. Your rotation is off as well. Kill shots are always priority, especially since we are using Glyph of Kill Shot.
Can you tell me your rotation?
maybe arms war to pls^^
did he ever played warrior?!? wtf this is so random
#showtooltip Explosive Trap
/cast Trap Launcher
/cast [@cursor] Explosive Trap
frost DK
Why do all youtubers talk the same?
being forced to manage Lock and Load to not clip them makes hunter feel awful to play, what a shame. on to another class i guess
the new LnL makes hunter more interactive to play and it's not even like it's a big deal.. you just weave an arcane or cobra shot between each explosive shot
Skill issue tbh. But I do understand if you played 4-3-4 rank explosive shot in wrath . Get your soft haste cap and dump a arxcane shot it’s easy enough
L skill issue i love the jeggelin this is when hunter gets good even more so in mop but finally not just a static class
@@luciendelacruz6421 skill issue lmao, let me know when you hit 3500 m+ rating
@@theroyalcam let me know when people care about m+ rating
#showtooltip Explosive Trap
/cast Trap Launcher
/cast [@cursor] Explosive Trap