Duxford Airshow Crash Messerschmitt BF109 - AIRSHOW WORLD
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- Duxford Airshow Crash Messerschmitt BF109 - AIRSHOW WORLD
Filmed By James Feneley Exclusively For AIRSHOW WORLD
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This Was Filmed In October 1997.
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The accident report concluded that the cooling system was operating normally, but that incorrect pilot input had caused an overheat leading to venting of coolant. Although ACM Allison was an experienced pilot with over 4000 fast jet hours and significant historic aircraft experience he had only a few hours on the 109 and may have perceived the situation as more urgent than it actually was, leading to a shortened, steep approach and excessively fast touchdown. Thinking it unwise to go around again he hopped over the M11 and put it into the field beyond, unfortunately ending up with the aircraft upside down. Despite being soaked in fuel he convinced the emergency crews to right the aircraft so he could exit normally, rather than cutting him out which would have severely damaged this rare fighter. I think he acted bravely.
This was intended to be the aircraft's last flight before being relegated to static display at Duxford and thanks to this action relatively little work was required to get the 109 back to a suitable condition.
Post Script. Later in the bar at RAF High Wycombe I was there when he was greeted by a young flying officer with the words: "Hey congratulations sir, 50 years late but I hear you got the last messerschmitt!"
:)
Wow what an uplifting twist to this story
Poor show, completely miss judged the approach. Too high too fast, and starting from a good initial position over a large airfield.
Sounds like he was a shitty pilot.
The 109 never did have good visibility
Heart breaking for those who had spent so much time restoring the aircraft.
Only thing that matters is life metal can be fixed. Most of these old original aircraft should be retired to museums & the only flying ones should be modern replicas.
The only way to maintain these aircraft properly is to fly them with experienced pilots. This accident was due to pilot error. Many 109s were lost on landing and take off during WWII as they were a handful on the ground.
@@everythingtechnew7400 a lot of these old flying planes barely have any original parts in them
Well what a grumpy load of old farts in _this_ comment section. 🙄
Good point.
There are more BF109 pilots in this comments section than there were in the Luftwaffe!
Perhaps they just read the accident report
Dude, go look at ANY b17 video comments section too, so many people's dads, grandad's, uncles and brothers were belly gunners that there was no one left to fly them or bomb aim
I can’t imagine what the guys who spent 20 years restoring this magnificent historic aircraft must have felt when this happened!!! I don’t know them and I haven’t spent one second restoring it and my heart broke apart when I saw it crash!!!!!
you might be a bit too sensitive for this rough world. keep your heart intact.
@@robertaccornero7172 lol
Is this the same Bf-109 that hit the runway in a low-level pass about 20 years ago -- piloted by a very senior veteran ????
I was there , with the late, Graham Warner, owner of the Blenheim, standing most likely just front of that camera, but we were standing by the Blenheim on the Live Side! I remember vividly, rushing forward at the point where the 109 was still at 'eye' level, 2/3 down the runway with obviously no hope of landing in time..seeing this just brought back the feeling of dread , as he slipped over the M11 ,waiting for the pall of black smoke , which thankfully didn't occur. 😫
'Back Stage' we were all dumbfounded and shocked !
Liar.
The accident report stated engine and cooling system were operating properly at the time of the crash. It also says the vapour was probably just a pressure release of coolent.
Unfortunately the pilot seems to have crashed a perfectly airworthy aircraft because of a perceived emergency.
...and came in too fast.
Yep, report was basically pilot error and he was basically called a idiot by others in the vintage aircraft world.
@@dllmpb06 rightly so, he looked maybe 50mph or more overspeed on approach, nutter....could have easily just widened his approach turn to bleed that excess speed before turning into finals
@@PhantomMark You come over the fence in these kinds of aircraft at about 85. He was going faster and we all saw the aircraft float, too fast! Touch down at about 55, power off, stick back hop on the rudder and brake.
Unfortunately you can't force an aircraft down when it's not done flying.
An RAF ground gunner had been hiding in that hedge for 57 years waiting for the right moment . Finally got his man .
Andy Nixon: Totally LOL!!
I just choked on my coffee you Fokker.
I thought I heard some gunfire......lol
Death to the Hun !!!
:)
'Don't worry guys, I'll just approach at a 60 degree angle and land at approximately 9000mph...'
Says you who's never even sat in one never mind trying to land one that is malfunctioning...
@@dodibenabba1378
I've never sat in one accept on line. But my guess is the same as Pescara he looked to be coming in to steep and to fast. Kind of backed up by the fact it was still air Bourne as it past over the fence at the end of the air feld.
9000mph would have broken off his landing gear and wing
@@azukiants 9000 mph would have done a little the break of the landing gear and wing try the whole thing blowing apart into tiny little pieces and smearing its self over a large piece of sky.
@@dodibenabba1378 In this instance though, it was the pilot who was malfunctioning!
So at that point he went home and restored his desk to flying condition
heh heh heh...
It is very sad to note the aircraft will not be brought back to flying status. I'm a retired 74 year old private pilot and looking at the approach and "landing" I find the comments regarding the pilot absolutely justified.
Thats the first time I've seen that since the day i was there , standing on the live side with the late Graham Warner next to the Blenheim.
I'll never forget that feeling when the Black 6 disappeared over the boundary , we thought, for an instant, it was going dip onto the M11 ...
I served on the Blenheim society committee for 3 years . The late Graham Warner was a splendid chap. He always took time to take members along the flight line, when possible. He kept my kids full up with ice cream and made us welcome
I think its definitely a great commitment to a bit when youre flying a restored ww2 plane and simulating a crash landing in it for the audience
He was behind the aircraft. There were two blips on the radar screen, the aircraft and the pilot 10 miles behind it.
When you post a video PLEASE post the date it was videoed in the caption that isn't cut off. The title gives you the impression that the crash just happened recently not 20 years ago.
One second into video quality will show it's from years ago.
With a name like "Air Chief Marshal Sir John Shakespeare Allinson" surely he would have had the moral fortitude to pay for the repairs!
'Allison'.
@@timgosling6189 Thank you, Tim!!!
maybe now air minor marshal...should have left it for the gerrys to fly properly
Looks like lots of people in the comments section have experience flying a 109 deadstick...
Experience or not, he was coming in too fast
Pilot was of high rank, failed to put the radiator control into the correct position, radiators boiled (notice white plume), pilot noticed this far too late, made a very short turn onto the runway, halving the length available to him to slow down in, overshot the end of the runway across a main road into a field, bent the only fully original and operable Me-109 in the world at that time.
While it has been rebuilt and is on display in a museum (Duxford, where it was crashed), the laws of Great Britain do not permit it to fly.
The people who spent twenty years of their own spare time to repair and rebuild it, using the logbooks from when it was a captured aircraft in WWII to fully certificate it to fly, were, of course gutted.
They had fought like crazy to keep the project going, using airfield facilities they were grudgingly permitted to use (notably at RAF Northolt), defeating several attempts by others to take the project or destroy it.
But they weren't allowed to choose who decides to take and wreck their work in the end.
That's the British way, always some twit crashing because of his higher rank.
On my first fly in at Duxford my instructor said " 200 pilots eyes on you landing" opted for the ashfelt LH aced it. Had many many more beautiful landings on the RH Grass and always remembered who was watching! Safe flying all.
Whoever was piloting that day was a right dipstick with that approach and landing
A real fokker
He must have forgotten how to perform a "slip". Maximum altitude loss at minimum airspeed would have saved the ship. He tried to land at at least 150 mph.
Yep, you can see where he did try a forward slip briefly, but the nose was way too low for it to be effective. I understand not wanting to land short but another 10 seconds downwind and this would have been a straightforward landing with plenty enough height. As it was, I'm surprised he got it stopped before he ended up ditching in the channel! I think it's fair to say that's going to be his last flight in a vintage aircraft.
@@raynixon6767 ..Good assessment, I'd say.
@@raynixon6767 sadly not, he carried on flying for the Shuttleworth Collection for a few years, he's eighty now so I hope he's retired. The Messerschmitt wasn't the only aeroplane or glider he broke during his career. There were others.
DONT LET THIS PILOT NEAR OUR SPITS!
Not the way you handle a potential emergency, which by the way there wasn’t one. He panicked, rushed the approach came in way too hot, wrecked a plane and could have easily perished. Poor airmanship period
I'm blaming this on the pilot dude dosnt look like he knows what he's doin
Legend has it he is still landing the plane to this very day.
So from what I've read of the accident report, total pilot error. Incompetent pilot.
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don't know if pilot is untrained, for sure the 109 is an hell of a plane to be landed or taken off...
Kraut swine
He had flown the 109 before. Was owned/operated by a big Museum. Was totaled. Sold to another Museum, rebuilt to Static Display only standards. There's are other You Tube Videos of Black 6. A good one telling it's life until restored.
Pilot's entire approach was unsettled and obviously hunting around out of the groove. Thought he was going to bankout into a go-around several times. The plane is over this pilot's head.
Pilot must be a guy with lots of money, but insufficient in pilot skills. If he is the restorer he should have hired a top knotch pro-pilot who can handle that difficult WWII German designed fighter. All the flying looked amateurish.
Black 6 took years to restore(see documentary on UA-cam) seconds to wreck.
I was at that airshow and we left just as he started to display as it was getting really chilly. As I understand it, it was due to the pilot not opening a valve or engine cooling system it caused the engine to overheat, hence the white vapor being steam and the pilot came in way to fast and only just got over the top of the M11!!
all caused by the pilot not opening the radiator cowlings and panicking if im correct
Correct Sir
Really .?
He was a highly experienced pilot.
And you?
I'm just an enthusiast but I read the aaib report on it a long time ago
"don't tell him Pike"
Sounds like he didnt have alot of experience in the 109. But you can tell in his voice he panicked. And why he thought he could Land at that speed. He should have just three pointed it instead of wheel landing it. Three pointer would have killed lift and killed the speed faster.
So sad, seeing a great figherplane ending like this. What a crap.
The pilot should be ashamed.
Probably blames the SAC who polished his boots!
I am afraid that was pilot error.
And to top it all, it looks like it had a BF 109 specific engine and not a merlin/grifon 😕
YUP...DB...grand, and intact.
You mean the DaimlerBenz DB-605?? Sure looks by the nose/spinner/exhaust cluster that it was..! Inverted V-12..
As I recall the pilot failed to open a cooling vent door and the cooling system overheated and purged coolant causing the temporary vapor trail. The engine was operating normally and there was no emergency. Came in high and hot and overshot the runway. Crashed the aircraft when he could have done a go around or taken the time to set up a better approach.
I just watched some other BF-109 videos with landings and it's obvious this guy never had his flaps down.
The flaps can easily be seen to be down as the aircraft passes the camera before it touches down.
Damn! Was it a green in the cockpit? Hope this plane could get restored
It was. Visit Duxford museum and it can be seen there.
sad to see bending metal on a WWII classic. Glad to hear no one was seriously injured except perhaps a few commentators below. :)
When this aircraft was captured during WW2 it was flown back for testing. One of the Aussie pilots involved grew up on our farm. Pretty awesome as I guess there were very few allied pilots ever got the chance to fly an opposing aircraft. Glad Black 6 has been fixed up and is on display again at RAF Hendon Museum.
The Museum at Hendon has a new curator and has ruined it. I have been a few times and spent hours JUST in the Battle Of Britain hangar - my father-in-law pestered me to take him there and I had a quick browse online to see if there were any new additions.
My God! She has destroyed the Battle Of Britain collection, split it up!
Seems the Museum is moving with the times. Don't mention the British ' and don't be surprised when out goes the Boulton Paul Defiant and in comes a replica of Amelia Earharts plane.
Bye bye, Spitfire, Hurricane, Lancaster and JU88, clear the space for a tribute to the Tuskegee Airmen.
Very admirable but **** all do do with the RAF.
@Baz Bazdad 'Excuse me, what's this aircraft?
*Guide looks it up in a book*
"It's a Lancaster. It was primarily used to bomb Germamy, killing thousands of defenceless civilians'.
"I thought it helped to cripple the Nazi war machine - and didn't the Luftwaffe introduce bombing civilians during the Spanish Civil War?'
'What's a 'Luftwaffe'? Is it a type of Artisan Pastry?'.
'Er, thanks for that - I think I'll stick to going to East Kirkby'. Bye.
No one who comments on my user name thinks I have a Ferrari - they think I'm a fan of an obscure Canadian rock band 😀
Been a fan since Moving Pictures, first gig was on the Signals tour 😎
Yes, glad & happy as well..Would shudder at the refurbishing cost!!
And that's what happens if you fly an aircraft the same way you fly a desk...
I was in commercial ground-school when this happened. Our lecturer was ex Fleet Air Arm. He came in the room, and announced brightly: "I see the RAF claimed it's last Messerschmidt yesterday"!. He had something of a twinkle in his eye as he said it!
How i land in Warthunder
You too?...
@@@camlinhall1363 Oh yeaaaaaaaaaa
Just curious, but had the pilot been thoroughly briefed on the coolant/vapor controls and normal indications?
He must have had some experience with other WW2 aircraft and ...possibly...assumed that both his RAF background and time in other WW2 aircraft would prevent him from making a mistake?
I'm also wondering whether the title of "Sir", or especially the rank of "Air Marshal" might go to some peoples' heads when allowed the Privilege to fly such unfamiliar aircraft (?).
+Liederlover Van Zandt
In the accident report is says that the coolant door switch was not maintaining the correct setting. So it was inevitable that the engine would be cooked. Situation management by the pilot is something that can be questioned. He came in too fast, but he didn't have a go-around option either because the engine was losing power.
Just a tad fast on final. Extremely poor airmanship.
Please read the final report...
High ranking officer demands final flight of a rare plane he was qualified but not experienced with.
Radiator flaps have closed/open or auto settings.... he moved the lever between settings, effectively jamming the doors part closed.
Pilot error.
Russ and the team must have wept. I did. 🥺
Whilst I love Cosford and applaud their work.... visiting now, Black 6 looks to me like a pet after taxidermy.... all glass eyes and fixed expression..... 😢
Hey, boy, did you forget how to loose altitude without increasing speed, thus preventing runway overuns?
What if its too high/too fast? Go-around and re-approach correctly!
He had engine trouble his priority was to land ASAP....that said I do think he could have performed a better landing ..he was.close enough to the airfield to "Bleed of Energy" without stalling the Aircraft..plus head no flaps with was kinda strange
That was Black 6, it took decades to restore it.
These old birds do not need to be flown around like stunt planes. Circuits and fly pasts are more than enough to see these great planes flying. Every crash mainly due to the pilots, one less to see in the air.
it will be fixed
Ever fly a war bird Mr.????? or anything
C P I don’t recall seeing that flat spin or inverted pass. These were not at all crazy stunts and it was an issue with the engine itself. Nothing else.
Completely Agree!!!!
CP He crashed on landing ,what has aerobatics got to do with it. Back in the day most crashes were also take off and landing.Not sure why flying like it was meant to be flown with enough height is the main cause of accidents and plane loss.Watch that Griffon Engine Spit accident on take off in France.One mistake the prop bites the ground and!!!!!!!.
Seeing as they didn't have the Swastika on the tail fin maybe they should have put an L plate on it instead !
Mind you a Swastika could be seen as four L plates !
That's exactly how I land my R/C airplanes on occasion!
There are old pilots, and bold pilots... but no old bold pilots.
The Germans made an agreement with the Spanish to produce the BF-109, but they did not send the original DB-600 engines, it is unknown for what reason. Afterwards or even at the end Guerram were equipped with the Merlin engines. An uncle of mine worked in the factory in Germany. I believe it was produced until 1958. After the war, he continued to serve the Spanish, Israeli, Czechoslovak, Yugoslavian and Swiss air forces. Correct me if I'm wrong when the information.
They look quite different, this is a DB for sure. The DB engine was an inverted V so the prop shaft is quite a lot higher on the Merlin powered Spanish ones.
That 109 G-2 was captured in the desert by the British. It has the original DB605 A-1 engine with all the errors the early DB605 A-1 had. DB or RR had to remedy them when they overhauled it. The early Gs were restricted to use only 2600 RPM and 1.3 ATA Boost because the crankshaft bearings had an error. The matter is well documented by the meeting notes of Gen. Milch GL. Marseille died because of this error. They cured the problem not before Sept. 43 by changing the bearings and the ignition timings plus oil-defoaming. But even with that restriction the G-2 was vastly superior to the desert Spit Vs as the chaps of the Ace of Spades Squadron affirmed quite eloquently.
PTath3 Marseille died because of this error? who was he, a designer, and was executed by those erronos bearings .. I did not understand. I'm from Brazil, and here we do not have WWII fighters flying in aerial shows. Not to be some T-6 Nort American, but they are very slow.
There was a meeting of the Head of the Luftwaffe Equipment Branch (General Luftzeugmeister), Erhard Milch (the one who followed Udet) on 13.06.1943 where they talk about the problems they still have with the DB605 Engine primarily bearing problems. In the meeting Marseille was explicitly mentioned as one who died because of this problem (his 109 G-2 went down on the german side and they could examine the engine plus they had the Radio message Marseille gave before he baileld out). Because of this problems the DB605 A could not be used with full power setting (2800 RPM + 1.43 ATA Boost = Emergency Power = 1475 PS) but instead only 2600 RPM + 1.3 ATA which gives around 1280 PS, but even then there were still problems obviously. The problems were finally solved towards the end of 1943 and the engine could be used with full power and later in 1944 with up to 1900 PS at 2800 RPM and 1.92 ATA Boost with the AM, AS, DC versions of the engine either with Water-Methanol 50:50 for the engines running on 87 (B4 Fuel) Octane fuel or up to 1.8 ATA for the ones running on 100 Octane fuel (C3 - Fuel). One must reflect on how fast the performance of Aero-Engines developed in those five years - with 1000 HP engines at the start and 2000 HP engines (with almost same cylinder volume) at the end in basically the same airframes.
Wars, especially the Second World War, developed great technology, an unprecedented advance, which was later reflected in the decades to come. As I said here in my country Brazil, we do not have copies of the Second War flying, the Brazilians flew with the P-47 in Italy, at the end of the war, those planes came to Brazil, when they were withdrawn, they were sold to neighboring countries.
Brazil is the country that has the largest market in the executive aviation segment in Latin America.
The current business aviation fleet in Brazil, data for 2010, has more than 1,650 aircraft, with 650 helicopters, approximately 350 jets and more than 650 turboprops. The city of São Paulo, the main economic center of the country, concentrates 35% (577 aircraft) of this entire fleet. In relation to general aviation, Brazil has the second largest fleet in the world with 10,562 aircraft. The state of São Paulo presents 28% of the total aircraft in Brazil. This fleet in Brazil had a growth of 40% from 2010 to 2017. And the third largest commercial aircraft manufacturer in the world is EMBRAER, based in the state of S .Paulo.
this was 20 years go, I remember my dad telling me about it, black 6 crashed in ploughed field
Die 109 er hatte so ihre Probleme und war gewöhnungsbedürftig. Beim Start sah man, außer der Riesenmotorhaube nicht viel nach vorne, weil die so hoch anstieg. Erst wenn sich der Schwanz hob, konnte man nach vorne sehen. Bei der Landung musste man die Maschine gut seitlich ausbalancieren, weil die Riesenluftschraube ein gewaltiges Drehmoment ausübte und das schmale Fahrwerk keinen Fehler verzieh. Dazu kam das Motorgewicht vorne als Kopfstandgefahr. Das Fahrgestell war einfach zu schmalspurig ! Mal in der Luft war sie aber herrlich zu fliegen. Da stimmte alles ! Ein Bugradfahrgestell war schon etwas anderes. Es war eben leider eine vereinfachte Fahrgestell - Konstruktion. Vielleicht erwischte den Mann, bei der Landung, eine Seitenwindbö, weil der da so schrecklich herumwackelte, war ja gruselig zum anschauen. Das konnte nicht gutgehen !
I remember landing a J-3 too fast when I was solo before I got my license. There was a house at the end of the runway (which sloped downhill) and trees beyond that, so I considered ground looping rather than running into the living room. Luckily the plane slowed with careful braking, but I used ALL of that grass runway. I should have taken off when I saw I was fast at the halfway mark.
George Wolf I trained mainly on Ju87’s, the Me 109’s narrower undercarriage required a much lighter touch to land I was told
Pretty commendable presence of mind to consider ground looping it to avoid the house.
"J-3" and "fast" do not belong in the same sentence. That's a bit like saying "I skidded the steam-roller because at 7mph I wasn't sure I could stop"!
Either land properly or go around. You have to commit to something.
what model is this 109? maybe the G2 tropical?
Badly planned approach. Too high too fast.
Nothing planned about that approach old boy.
We used to have one of those when we were kids; I think we gave it away to Walter "P." when we moved.
The pilot had no clue how to fly that ME-109. Hopefully he's not flying it anymore.
I think the _Bf-109_ could be damaged beyond repair since there is no one who produces spare parts.
No, last seen on display at RAF Hendon.
An aircraft that took many years to get back in the air, and I believe was being flown by an RAF officer. As far as I know it never flew again, being an original 109.
It's time to say.....GO AROUND!!!!
pilot reported that engine failure was imminent. go-around not possible.
@@watchgoose Pilock was wrong!
That plane is now restored and on display in Cosford Museum.
to flying condition?
@@pashakdescilly7517 No. The curator on site said that there are no intentions to put it into air again after post crash restoration.
@@igorkratka Is that due to structural damage, or other reasons?
@@pashakdescilly7517 He did not specify and I did not ask him so can`t tell you. Sorry.
@@igorkratka There are not many of those Bf109s in flying condition. After all that work to get it fully restored, it is disappointing to lose it. Anyway, thanks for your responses
Where is Bob Hoover when you really need him??
where is Erich Brown when you need him?!
Now on static display at RAF Cosford. Used to be on display at RAF Hendon.
Thanks Ian
@@AirshowWorld TBH, when this accident happened, I thought it was a little suspicious. The powers that be were trying to ground the aircraft at the time, so when it "crashed" without exploding in a huge fireball, I immediately thought it was a set up. The newly plowed field, etc convinced me they were going for light undercarriage damage, just enough to ground the aircraft. However, the flip over, breaking it's back, was just collateral damage.
However, 20 years later, I realise it was just and accident. What was I thinking back then SMH !
The pilot was trying to bring the aircraft down as quick as possible and turned onto finals to early, meaning he was left with too short a runway & was to fast, a go around was probably not an option. The engine was probably very hot & opening up the throttle may have seized the engine and induced a torque roll, which would have been fatal at that height.
Three things. Firstly, it's 'final' - no such thing as 'finals', secondly 'TOO early', not 'to', and thirdly, it's a shame you didn't read the accident report about the ACTUAL circumstances surrounding the cause of the crash. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/542302aeed915d1371000bdb/dft_avsafety_pdf_501760.pdf
+HiWetcam A high-powered engine with a big heavy prop can twist the plane right over onto its back if you apply too much power quickly. This picture is a fatal torque roll at Oshkosh. The rear pilot touched down too close to the lead and collided, then he jammed the throttle to fly clear and torque rolled into the ground. c1.staticflickr.com/2/1192/933255638_ab302c2478_b.jpg
A great pity her air show career had to end like this, but the comments from the UA-cam jury always amuse me. These old aircraft are not easy to fly even for experienced pilots. Such aircraft were the pinnacle of technology at the time and that should be remembered. Pilot error for sure, it happens. Ultimately, the important thing is that the pilot got away with it and none of us were in that cockpit at the time. There are other ME109's being restored at the moment, we will see them in the UK's skies again one day.
Sorry, he pulled rank and flew the aircraft with insufficient flight time on the 109 leading up to the Airshow.
Absolute clown.🤡
One of only a few planes that were know to have lost more in landings than they ever did in combat.....Partly due to the undercarriage design, pivoting from the center outwards, rather than inwards , making the wheel track very narrow and very unstable at ground speed, specially (as often was the case) bumpy airfields !
According to the book 'The Rise and Fall of the Luftwaffe', the Bf-109 and Me-109 had an approximately 50% loss rate in accidents.
Many were take-off, landing and training flights. Also, not many of these ever got rebuilt, in contrast to the British RAF, that had a recovered aircraft rebuild rate of nearly 40%.
Warp 9 to impulse power instantaneously does not usually end well for plane, starship or human very well. The fact that he couldn't " stick" the plane to the ground is proof the approach to land speed was at least 50% but likely 75% too high. Perhaps a more experienced pilot should fly next time?
It seems that there are a lot of aircraft accidents at the Duxford airshows...
Bloody oath, mate.. Actually im Latin American In USA. Not Aussie.
It's called a go-around. Me-109s need to be flared to the extreme, much more than a Spitfire or Hurricane.
Incredibly sad to see.
The pilot was/is not "incompetent." Anyone who can fly & land a BF-109 has a very high skill level & this pilot flew it regularly. He did make mistakes, errors which compounded themselves as is normal in an aircraft accident. First, he reportedly did not use cowl flaps at high power settings during the demonstration, which caused the engine to overheat, thus the vapor trailing from the plane. After getting a radio call that he was "trailing white vapor" he attempted to get on the ground too quickly. Some say he panicked. I could understand that fear if I was trailing something...I would probably think "smoke" and "fire." Hell, I'd want to get on the ground as fast as possible, as well! Anyway, a BF-109 is very challenging to land because of the very short distance between it's main gears and the incredible torque of it's V-12 engine which produced 1,455 HP. He approached too high and too fast & had trouble getting on the ground as is obvious in the video. The pilot had to hop over a highway (2:00) that bordered the airport and crash-landed in a field on the other side, all seen in this video. So before we go on calling the pilot "incompetent" let's realize we all make mistakes. As an aircraft mechanic (& pilot) I am very competent at certain maintenance tasks, but I still make mistakes & even have to scrap parts sometimes because of my errors. To label anyone "incompetent" means you know his/her history very intimately, which nobody here does.
I agree. Based on his career and experience, he was not "incompetent" by any reasonable measure. Having said that, he did not have nearly the hours or experience in the BF-109 when compared to the Spitfire and some other planes. He did panic to a certain degree, which (as you stated) compounded some the of the mistakes that he had already made during the flight. I think that many folks would have been more understanding of what happened if not for his attitude about it after the incident. Apparently (I am paraphrasing here) after the incident he made some comment during an interview along the lines of "well at least I have the honor of being the last pilot to down a 109" (like I said, I am am paraphrasing as I can't remember the exact words). So, he basically tried to downplay the whole thing and make a bit of a joke about it, and that really set off a lot of people, particularly vintage warbird enthusiasts, historians, and the folks that had put years into restoring that aircraft. I can understand this reaction, as I am an ardent history enthusiast (particularly war history) and it pains me to see working pieces of historical machinery damaged or destroyed, especially something as rare as an authentic BF-109. At the same time, I know why he said it, as he was no doubt embarrassed and probably still a bit shaken up about the whole thing, but it was not received well (based on what I read anyway).
He didn’t understand and operate the aircraft as he should have. For me that is the bottom line. I couldn’t fly as well as him but I’m not putting myself in that position.
Very sad. Every classic car, train, plane, whatever that crashes, is one more forever lost.
That's a few years ago I was there when it happened
popeyethesailor9 hi yes 1997. I am capturing all our old classic videos and have we got some amazing videos coming soon
In fact some time after this i was taken inside one of the hangers not open to the public where that plane was being repaired
popeyethesailor9 i
Messerschmitt Bf 109G-2 Trop "Black Six" - Duxford Air Crash - October 12th 1997.
Hmm, 1997 was not "a few years ago," any less than the WW2 years.
He might thought there was a burst of fire behind his aircraft, then rushed to land no matter how his parameters were.
You can’t argue the fact he turned Base way too tight and ended up landing very deep and fast. I am always amused that the it is said that jet fighter pilots are suitably experienced to fly piston World War Two fighters, as are the fighter pilots in the RAF who exclusively fly the BBMF single seater aircraft. Flying characteristics of a powerful, tail dragger vintage fighter and those of a Tornado or Typhoon, could not be more different, if they tried. In fact the only common feature you could say between them is, the fact they are....fighter aircraft! Still, I guess it’s one way of shortening the que to fly them! Just hope they train on the good old T6/SNJ Harvard. Fly that, and you can fly anything.
So that means they shouldn't have done any researchh and as long time jet-pilots know there would be a difference?
Why do they insist on flying these magnificent old war birds to maximum design parameters in air shows until components fail and they're destroyed? They deserve better than that.
That was a most terrible landing. No (visible) reason to think a landing would be less than successful. That's a whiff.
WOW! sorry to see that happen. Did the pilot make it out ok? Something bad was about to happen he came in fairly hot.
came in hot due to trailing vapour............
You can always go around
And I hope the plane gets repaired and put in a museum
that was preventable!!!!!!
She had a great life and died like she was, nothing but a warrior.we need another one Black Six Cheers!.I love you brothers
+Adan Sanchez Not dead but repaired and retired to permanent display, which was the original plan for the aircraft. Other Bf-109s are flying now. The UK now has a Bf-109E flying and will be getting a second one in a few years if I recall.
@@FiveCentsPlease That's Great knews!
It’s not the pilots fault it’s whoever made the decision to allow him to fly that plane. He was obviously out of his depth.
heaven forbid the pilot take responsibly...gotta be someone elses fault
As a very senior air force officer, an Air Vice Marshall, he chose to fly the aeroplane himself and nobody really had the authority to refuse him the privilege.
I mean even if he'd have a pretty serious leak he's still directly over the airfield with plenty of energy, planes can glide, he should have climbed a bit, got a proper lineup and landed on speed, even if his engine would have died on final he'd still make it and be repairable... seems idiotic to me
[double facepalm] Jesus H. Christ, the idiot committed sooo many low-time pilot mistakes! Someone please revoke his pilot certificate as he's not only a danger to others, but a danger to himself as well. Meanwhile, an extremely rare irreplaceable warbird is reduced to rubble.
Jimbo in Thailand.....Like what?
That's a pretty bold statement.11 thousand 109s lost during landings. Add to that flying at a airshow, being told you are basically on fire, I can guarantee I have more time than you in high perf aircraft and his 1st reaction was turn toward the field. Don't want to widen it out "time" and go for a picture perfect landing. I will take a beat up aircraft over burning to death or putting it in the trees.
This bloke was an experienced RAF jet pilot with thousands of hours in his log book, panicked and fucked up big time. Had it had an ejection seat he would have banged out I recon. Wouldn't let him run a kids tea party let alone display a priceless warbird like that 109. At least its safe in the RAF museum away from idiots like this clown. Rick M
hail to the great pilot Jimbo in Thailand who knows how to fly a vintage fighterplane.
Jimbo in Thailand That idiot still flies the aircraft in the Shuttleworth collection....what do you fly?
I guess maybe a go-around was in order. But I wasn't flying it.
+eclipser2004 The engine was overheated and running rough. There wasn't power for a go-around.
@@FiveCentsPlease It wasn't though lol
Love the sound of a Jumo V!
It's a Daimler-Benz DB605, not a Junkers Jumo !!!
My grandpa flew to Germany 20 times but never landed. He said he didn’t need to land he was just dropping off and not picking up.
Way too fast
Experienced pilot, pfah! What you see in this video is how I did my couple of first landing attempts in "Il-2" flight simulator. It's the inner noob in us, seeing the runway and being perfectly in line with it for a change, we don't give a damn about airspeed and think that we will miraculously come to a safe halt if only we can have the wheels touch the runway. Then we find out there's not nearly enough runway to come to a full stop and we start thinking of ejecting. Then we realize Bf-109s didn't come with ejector seats then we die. Then we sigh and retry the landing. At least I haven't wrecked a valuable piece of irreplacable flying history.
Who let an inexperienced pilot fly this rare warbird?
YES I
I sure hope that 109 is alright and back up to flying condition. Never mind the pilot
The plane never flew again. It's static at Hendon museum in London.
@@Gaizhun Might've been the best plan & outcome there!
@@samburkes7552 I would agree. Thankfully, there are now a good few Messerschmitts in flying condition around the world, and now black 6 hopefully entertains and educates thousands of people who see it each year. I believe you need a mix of flying and static vintage aircraft in order to educate people about the past, and at least black 6 is at a good home where she's looked after and viewed by many many people.
Argh! Emergency landing in farmer field -> flaps down and gear up to let airplane sliding otherwise you finish upside down! Like him...
Did you fly these birds before.. what a bs
As soon as he turned base at that speed I knew what was coming. Sad. He wasnt even on fire. That sound though, beautiful.
That pilot should be sent to the Russian front 😀
Thats exactly what happened on WarThunder.
my god this pilot dosent know what the hell he is doing.
yes he does, unlike you would.
baz, really? the footage , what does it tell you? Nothing because you have no idea whats going on, except a plane crashes.
come on, you are a gobshite so, please enlighten me on your expert opinion on this incident.
What a bloody shame, old war birds need to fly but don't need pushing to their limits
is this a spanish BF109 sounds like a merlin engine to me?
My initial thoughts exactly Peel, except this a/c doesn't have the Merlin's conspicuous radiator intakes under the nose, as seen on 109s and He111s in the BoB film etc. Reading the AAIB report (link above) shows this had a genuine DB605 installed.
cheers really glorious sound those fellas new how to build great engines back and under P as well! and your totally right about the air intake i missed that one lol thanks again shame for the old bird hope she got a refit?
Hi Peel yes they did, I'm an aerospace mechanical engineer and am truly humbled by the genius of these hugely complex engines, no wonder those awful but simple jets took over !. I only stumbled across this clip tonight, like so many others it seems. The actual accident was 20 years ago, it was rebuilt soon afterwards albeit for static display only. Ironically this was the final planned flight for this a/c after some years displaying, presumably due to accumulated flying hours, it's now on permanent static display abt 10 miles from here at RAF Hendon museum, London.
This happened many years years ago and so has this clip. The aircraft is genuine. Captured by a group of Australians in north Africa during WW2. SQN leader Bobby Gibbs flew it several times for fun before hoping to send it back to Australia as a war trophy. Along came the Poms and said that's ours thank you very much and sent it back to Britain where it was fully tested and analysed. It was fully restored during the 80's and 90's to flying status. Engine problems resulted in a hot landing and running out of runway just managed to hop over the freeway and crash in the field beside the freeway. Note the high speed cars and trucks just before and after the crash. The pilot possibly saved many lives.
Mark Glover cheers 🍻 I'm learning more and more about these gorgeous machines it's a shame the way she ended up!bet many a machines ended up in the same position during ops?thanks again.
At 100' in the air he was way too fast. He should have gone around and tried again. Any time you come in high like that it makes for very complicated management of airspeed. He had up until the guy says, "oh God" to go around and come back and try it again. Former AF flight instructor.
That’s pain to watch.