BEST FILTER COFFEE GRINDER?: Is the Fellow Ode Hype or Reality?
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Here, I take a look at what has become my favorite filter coffee grinder, prior to hitting diminishing returns. I hope you enjoy this in-depth look at the Fellow Ode!
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I’d be interested in seeing a comparison of filter-focused burr grinders. There are a lot of such comparisons for espresso, but not filter. And this is an underserved category without many grinders - it’s the Ode, the Wilfa Uniform, and a couple Eureka models.
Just a heads up for anyone who does the step-less mod, I ran into an issue where the pin that holds the rotational burr kept popping out, allowing that burr to become free floating once the grinder was turned on. I was able to fix this by making sure the calibration knob was tightened enough to hold pressure on the pin and then double checked it afterwards before grinding.
thank you for this note! important
Hey Lance, thanks for always taking the time to respond to all these commments and questions. big fan you and also onyx. question for ya. how would you compare and contrast the ODE with one of these upgraded burrs VS. Lagom Mini 48mm obsidian?
Thanks for this very detailed rundown, Lance. I just ordered a white Ode w/ SSP. Like you, I love those clear, crisp, tea-like brews. I like sweet, round cups, too, but I love that I can order the SSP burrs pre-installed from Fellow. Which is what I just did.
Almost went with the Lagom Mini, but there's quite a delay in getting those, and also the shipping was annoyingly expensive. The Ode+SSP is still more money, of course, but if it's the best reasonably-priced filter grinder available (I don't do espresso at home) as you say, I don't mind spending a little more for that perfectly transparent cup.
Thanks again!
Lance, I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts on which grinders would be next in "diminishing returns"? I was thinking of the P-64 but that has the same burr options as the the Ode so would just be a design choice.
Hello, is it suitable for brewing filtered coffee in 1 liter of water 10 times in 1 day, 60 gr of coffee? Will I have problems? I own a boutique mini coffee shop. Thank you
I’ve watched your video on the Baratza Vario as well. I’m curious if a modified version of the Vario with steel burrs(not ceramic) and bellows is at all comparable to the modified Ode. Price point with burrs included, they aren’t too far off, right? Interested in your initial thoughts!
Hey Josiah! Of course the vario beats the ode overall just because it can do espresso. And it does espresso very well. But when you pit them against each other for filter, the ode has no equal in this price.
@@LanceHedrick Awesome. Appreciate the response man. Keep it up!
You also need to consider that the vario has much smaller burrs and I don't know if it has the variety of burrs available to it at its size versus a 64mm burrset like the ode.
Great video. For someone with a Comandante that does mainly light roast single serve pour overs, what's the next meaningful step up of grinder/burrs for a similar flavor profile? Alternatively, what grinder/burrs would offer a complementary profile?
I think you would enjoy the Baratza Vario/forte with the steel ditting burrs. The SSP multipurpose/unimodal would definitely be up your alley as well
@@MrMarki134 Sorry for the delay. Thanks for your suggestions. I looked more into it and am trying to decide between the Baratza Vario/Forte with steel Ditting burrs and the SSP Unimodal V1, V2 and Gorilla Gear Black burrs.
@@bpcarb I just ordered silver knight cast sweet burrs directly from SSP which they say are the best burrs for pour over. I've had trouble with the first set but they're making some more for me that hopefully fit.
@@rjejames28 Cool, I hope those work out for you. I'm curious how the 64mm silver knight cast sweet burrs compare to the Unimodal V1 and Unimodal V2 on the body vs clarity spectrum, for light roast single dose pour over brews. I understand the V1 have more clarity, less body than the V2. Although the V1 are more brewing focused, I'm more inclined to favor the V2 over the V1 since the V2 seems to be more versatile and forgiving, and I'm not looking for ultra transparency at the expense of texture. I wonder if Option-O will eventually offer the P64 with the SSP cast burrs.
@@bpcarb I know they make some for the 64, so far SSP has been amazing to deal with. Im sure if you wanted to go that route they would make you some. Also after they are making this custom set for me, I wonder if you will see them more mainstream for the Ode. Once they have done the legwork I'm sure they will try to sell a bunch of them.
I have watched many reviews of this grinder out of mere interest, and I just wanted to say that I found yours the most well-informed and captivating. If I was in the market for a new filter grinder, you would have convinced me to really, really take this one into consideration. I will certainly point to this video if anyone I know is looking for a good filter grinder. I myself will have to wait only my trusty Baratza Virtuoso+ bites the dust or until I can just materialize things by pure will, whichever comes first. :)
haha for sure! Thanks for watching andd the kind words! I love the vario. Have you put the steel burrs in it? if not, HIGHLY recommend
@@LanceHedrick I should really consider upgrading the burrs at some point!
Your virtuoso will never bite the dust. Bought mine refurbished in 2008, still using it (well, with a little bit of maintenance) :)
True but it doesn't create, at least for me and my preferences, nearly as tasty of cups as other grinders, even in the baratza family.
In fact I've been contemplating an upgrade myself! It's just hard to take the leap of faith that a new grinder will be worth the upgrade. Might do the Vario though because of such good experience with Baratza over 13 years. They even sent me a free motor out of warranty when mine died, just out of respect for me trying to repair it.
Your videos have helped demystify and made coffee much more accessible for the average person like myself wanting to explore its artisanal side. They’re entertaining and informative.
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This comment means so much to me! This is exactly why I started this channel. Thank you for the engagement
Ok Lance: Ode/SSP vs Baratza Vario W+ (for primarily filter coffee). Any clear winner there?
+1 Wondering same thing
I might modify and say Vario+ (for me), rather than Vario W+. (I’m perfectly happy weighing on a scale.)
i'had vario-w and grind range was horribly short. be careful before buying. same problem applies for this grinder too. i'll say stay away from both.
Urbanic 080 with Gevi burrs, I would go for that personally.
@@DS52116 “the drip department”
I agree tho, filter coffee/pour overs are my #1
The gorilla gear burrs look like high uniformity burrs vs the SSP unimodal burrs that fellows sells. That might be difference that you are tasting? The SSP high uniformity burrs may perform the same as the gorilla gears.
probably! i have not had the 64mm HU burrs
thank you! ... have you had to align your burrs with the aluminum foil method you showed us? i have a feeling i hear an off chirp that might indicate misalignment, and that happens both with stock and SSP burrs, and after very carefully cleaning and putting in the SSP burrs. on another note, a trick i've found to keep the beans going (because they do INDEED annoyingly stick to the hopper sides) is to intermittently use the knocker while grinding : this usually knocks them off the sides and keeps them going down into the burrs. not necessarily much quieter lol, but a trick nonetheless. for retention, i find that if i give it a rest after grinding, while my water finished boiling or rinsing my paper, and then i knock again, and/or pop the grind catcher out and back in, the remaining grounds fall in nicely and i have like ZERO retention. anyway, a few thoughts, and i'd love to hear what you think about aligning this grinder, because that is my next daunting project. thanks Lance, you da man!
I did the burr alignment with the foil on the ode with SSP burrs and it was tricky handling the tiny shims, but corrected the misalignment!
@@GreenFlamingo thanks for the heads up. did you find it made a rubbing noise at the end of the grind before doing the alignment? and do you find it's changed since the alignment? cheers!
@@nat2world I didn’t notice a rubbing sound before or after.
definitely need to align! They are poorly aligned out of the box, especially rotary burr!
@@LanceHedrick thanks! ... i will do that then! ... i still don't understand though (you quickly mentioned this as well in your alignment video) why you would have to align -- or how you would decide -- the rotary and/or the stationary burr? once your marker-erase test comes out clean, how and why would i play with the other burr? thanks!! :)
How does it compare to a Comandante C40?
I personally prefer this to the comandante. The flatburr profile with these extremely low fines burrs just creates a cup that cannot be replicated until you begin to spend a few $1000
What would be a hand grinder equivalent of the upgraded Fellow Ode (in grind consistency, not necessarily flat burrs)?
No hand grinder uses flat burrs. Flat burrs have tons of clarity. Top clarity hand grinders are supposed to be Comandante and K series from 1zpresso, but i dont think they are as good as SSP burrs.
oe apex uses flat ghost burrs
there is also a hand grinder maker in Russia who makes hand grinders compatible with 64mm ssp burrs, just FYI
@@LanceHedrick ohhh didn't know that
I have the Ode + SSP combo and never looked back. Had the original burrs for 6 months. I got the SSP as I wanted to go to lighter beans. Now I have a full range of options. I’m happy.
Keep the vids coming.
@@VeluBeru no issues. The motor sounds the same as before. Never stalled or anything. I only do drip grind on it
I just got the SSP burrs delivered. Is there a good video you recommend on how to install them?
simply take off the face with the deep screws as shown in the video. Take out carriers. Unscrew and replace. Just make sure to CLEAN before putting burrs on. And make sure they are EVEN when putting them in so they dont get stuck
which ssp do you use it?
@@LanceHedrick Do you recommend doing a market alignment? I ask because you noted their being a tight tolerance with the Ode.
Thank you for your videos btw. You and James Hoffmann are by far the most detailed, helpful and informative.
You should check out the Orphan Espresso Apex!
Absolutely! I'm currently trying to find one to borrow because they are quite expensive
I have one I’m actually trying to get rid of
I hope this... fellow.. reviews the Ode Gen 2
hey! Gen 2 is great. Not massive changes, but definitely addresses concerns I had with gen 1!
How does the Ode with stock burrs compare with the Baratza Virtuoso+? 300 USD is about as much as I want to spend on a pour-over only (or mostly) grinder. I'm currently using a 1Zpresso JX Pro and a sieve to reduce the amount of fines. Works well enough, but the workflow is not great.
i would wait until the v2 burrs are out and come stock with the grinders. they will be super worth the wait
@@LanceHedrick Would you then say the Ode w/V2 is good/PERFECT for filter and espresso? In your IG live stream a day or so ago I believe you said some grinder - and I can't remember if it was Mod'd Vario or Ode V2 or something else - would be THE BEST "budget" grinder for both espresso and filter. I have a DF64 (steel) coming in 3 days but if the Ode V2 will outperform for espresso and filter (I care about espresso more - always light to med roast) I might sell it and get the Ode. Honestly I don't might paying up to $1K for an exquisite espresso grinder but I would love it to be able to also do great filter... the Zerno catches my eye but it doesn't exist yet, so...
This or a mignon filtro? There arnt really many good reviews on the filtro or the chrono. It’s a smaller flat burr but mugger motor I believe
Better motor, for sure, but you are stuck with those 50mm burrs. There are no replacements I have found. With the ode, as long as you are doing predominantly filter coffee, you have unlimited styles of burrs, really.
@@LanceHedrick thanks for the reply.
Have you heard of fellow selling or replacing the motor out of warranty? That’s been my biggest concern with the ode. Not sure if it’s justified, but grinding finer with different burrs might cause premature failure on the motor. And doesn’t seem like an easy fix if they do sell a motor separately.
I just got my Ode shipped from Fellow a week ago and replaced the burrs tonight with the SSP MP burrs. No issues at all with the fit being overly tight. Plenty of room for the stationary burr, and the rotary burr had just enough room between it and the sweepers to see just a tiny little bit of light. Thanks for showing us how to take this apart and calibrating it, it helped me out tremendously.
For the Ode + SSP combo what calibration / brew range so you find yourself using?
I calibrate for the burrs to touch at 1, and I brew usually around 5
Is alignment possible? It is interesting that the entire video has no mention of alignment, but you think it is an important thing to do
Yes, I aligned my ode SSP burrs with aluminum foil shims.
, alignment is very important! Good point good point that I forgot to say that in the video. That's an odd omission on my part
coming from a Kitchenaid Pro, which has only 15 steps (lol), the Ode is very finely stepped!
true that!
Sad to think in a world where we can’t by Fellow Bellows. Please someone make them, just to call them that :D
OK. This is by FAR the most expensive grinder I have ever bought. Before this, I had a $79 grinder. So, adding anotehr $270+ for burrs, ya, no. I'm gonna keep the stock burrs for now, unless you can tell me why I should spend another $300.
Really appreciate this deep dive. Wish Fellow would employ more experts instead of designers. 😏
Hopefully the V2 burrs will be a big improvement over the original burrs. It's a bit frustrating that Fellow released a grinder that so many of us feel the need to buy SSP burrs.
I'm just hoping that Fellow can do something similar for espresso. If they could get a thoughtfully designed (and good looking) espresso grinder at $300-500, that would get my business/move the industry to less pricey. Seems like you have to get a Niche to get decent espresso.
@@Kiaulen I think Lance’s recent video on grinders is a good place to start and I have gotten surprisingly good performance out of my Sette for espresso. I’d probably buy a niche if I were in your situation though.
I 100 percent advise you look into the Vario if needing espresso. cheaper than the niche and, imo, btter. I am hoping fellow eventually releases a 250 watt version
for filter coffee, which grinder do you preffer? ODE + SSP or Comandante ?
Fugazi is not a very good word if you are describing a function of a grinder 😂
hahahaha i know. I was quoting Wolf of Wall Street
I see a Breville grinder on the back. Thats my grinder !!! Hahaha
Lance! Thank you for sure. You got me excited for my Ode again. Two major disappointments with it- not being step-less and lack of grinding range for pour overs- you’ve solved both issues! Hope to get a new burr set too.
heck yeah, man! Thanks for watching. Means a lot
I just use what I’ve coined “the flappy method” on my Ode and I get almost no retention. After grinding I hold the lid firmly at one end then flap it up and down a few times as if it’s on a hinge and I’m slamming it shut. The air pressure from this acts like a poor man’s bellows and sends most of the coffee through. Then I give the tapper a few flicks for good measure. I usually got almost exactly the same amount of coffee out as I put in.
The fellow crew call that like the Jake slam or something. Jake, owner, does something similar hahaha
Lol took me a year with the ode before I started flapping the lid
hype.
all things about this grinder is wrong. what is the point?
ooooooo love devil's advocate? Let's debate. Tell me all the things wrong with this grinder
For the people who have problems with sitting burrs inside, put the burrs into the freezer and try again.
Interesting! Why is that?
Freezing shrinks the burrs! Just marginally
@@nat2world thermal expansion of metals. Cooling shrinks and heating grows. Within reason of course. I’m a machinist. We’re talking like 0.0005” or 0.001” or so, so the tolerances really matter. Having a tight tolerance in this case is very good
love having a machinist in the comments!
@@HomeDrummer55 When they warm back up, they'll expand again though. Is that going to cause problems? I'd imagine that would put a lot of pressure and squeeze on the SSP burrs and they might crack...or something? And how would you get them back out again? (My SSP burrs still aren't fitting into the second Ode they've sent me.)
How would you say the Option-O Lagom Mini 48mm compares to the Ode? Considering they're both mainly for filter but capable of some espresso.
I'm torn between which to get, please help!
Video is upcoming!
There is nothing at all wrong with the design and function of the hopper lid. Don't be a ninny.
I can be picky when spending a few hundred bucks lololol
Yous a joker but thanks for watching the vid and engaging,😁😁😁
Why didn’t they make the lid magnetic???
That is an absolutely great question and one that I will soon be asking haha
Just cut a toy accordion to make the bellows?!
it would have to fit perfectly. if you have one, send it over haha!
"FULL 1 YEAR WARRANTY". hard pass.
I mean, that's fine lol.
@@LanceHedrick Alright, so short of any further context, I can see how my comment seems inflammatory, which wasn't intended. So to clarify, for myself and others, no amount of bang-for-the-buck can supersede robust construction. I'm definitely one of the people still scouring the web for a lightly used G1 with an eye toward a Bunzilla conversion, which still seems like the reigning champ of nearly heirloom quality filter grinders for home use.
P.S. - Have you ever messed with the OE Apex?
Thanks for this video. It really helped me out. I had been looking at the Gorilla Gear burrs, but was unable to find any info on the difference in flavor between them and the SSP unimodal. I just recently added electric grinders to my gear (I have been using a Comandante and 1zpresso K-Plus) because I wanted a flat burr for a little change of pace. I had already ordered an Ode and a set of SSP unimodals. After watching your review I ended up ordering a second Ode (different color) and the Gorilla Gear burrs. I roast my own coffee and have a wide variety of beans that I roast. This now allows me to fine tune the grinder to the flavor profile of the bean, and at a relatively low price. Reading some of the comments, I also grind 32 grams every morning. I fill a 16 oz mug with coffee and a little milk every morning, and that is my coffee for the day.
Just wanted to say love the intro. Keep it up!! Your energy just makes your videos so entertaining. Keep up the great work!
Thank you so much! I'm just happy that you're enjoying the videos
Wow. I’m so happy you made this video.
1) RDT- yes. You are so right.
2) hopper lid- are you familiar with the 3rd parties on Etsy that make a mod/3D printed single dose hopper WITH integrated bellows?!?!
3) small feed- Pacamara beans choke. Had to use my Baratza Virtuoso to grind those
4)I got really frustrated with the stock burrs AND waiting for the V2 burrs to be shipped to KS backers. They originally said by last summer. And the latest news was that they still haven’t gotten them right yet, so more delays. So, I caved and bought the SSP burrs.
5)I’m so happy to hear about the stepless mod and the tip on the Teflon tape.
6)are there any good videos out there on how to do the SSP burr upgrade. I don’t want to screw it up and damage my grinder/burrs.
Thanks as always for your vids!
I watched the regular burr replacement video on fellows website, but using the SSP burrs instead. Also paired that with Lances burr alignment video. I wasn’t able to go find a perfect video for replacement and found the auger key slightly confusing at first glance.
Have you tried the Etsy hopper, thoughts?
@@ANTTT222 they are out of stock, but the shop owner said they should be restocked in 2-3 weeks.
@@ANTTT222 No. The one Etsy merchant I found is currently out of stock. But, he said lead time is only a couple weeks, so I’m hoping to order then. Will get one for my Ode, Virtuoso, and Sette 270.
yeah! i am now! i only knew of the one i linked in the caption prior t that.
September 2023 - swapped to the Gen 2 burrs. I’m liking the finer grinds for single cups.
Thanks for explaining the taste difference between burrs
Absolutely! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Thank you for engaging
Would appreciate your take on best option. Niche zero or Ode with SSP. I am a pour over & french press drinker with possibly a little interest in espresso at home. Even if I decided to pick up an espresso machine it would be an occasional indulgence and not part of the daily routine. I like the niche but am concerned it won't grind corse enough for french press. Also, I can save a little with the ode + ssp and feel like it would fit my typical needs better and allow me to dip my toe in espresso occasionally. The $100 or so difference between the two isn't enough to keep me out of the niche if it is a better fit for my needs so I would really appreciate a reality check from someone with much more experience then myself. What say you oh chieftain of coffee?
Great video! How does the fellow ode compare with the DF64? Thanks!
Would recommend to buy the gen1 instead of upgrading there’s an option to buy the gen1 either the new burrs for £300
FYI if you’re trying to buy the Ode with SSP, Fellow support told me they have currently paused selling SSP burrs on their site as they have had too many folks not be able to fit the burrs in the ode (not clearly explained on the site). I bought the burrs separately and they didn’t fit the grinder I bought.
Update, ordered another Ode and that also didn’t fit SSP burr. My guess is the whole batch of recently manufactured Odes are not compatible, and that would explain why they’ve taken SSP burrs off their website. So until Fellow starts selling SSP burrs again, I would not buy an Ode and try to fit SSP burrs bought elsewhere with it.
I was wondering what you think about the DF64 for filter in terms of taste and grind uniformity. I have one with the titanium coated burrs and have been thinking about getting an Ode just for filter because switching everyday between grinding for filter and espresso is quite the pain in the ass on the DF64. Do you think it'd be worth it and would I get the same grind quality with the stock burrs of the Ode.
that is a tough one. DF64 is a 250 watt motor, which is strong, but not quite strong enough to not notice dips in RPM when grinding dense beans. if you drink super light coffee, i would consider getting the ode. If darker coffees, you are fine with just df64 imo
Lance, I don't get where you get that the Ode produces a relatively uniform grind with few fines. I bought an Ode with the newer version 1.1 burrs a couple of weeks ago and, not only is this not true but, quite the opposite. In fact it creates a HUGE amount of fines (on all settings from 4-7). I'm not at all impressed and, compared to my C-40 and K-max it's really sort of a piece of junk.
The Gorilla Burrs are $270 so that almost doubles the price of the grinder.
I wonder if the Lagom mini with the new conical can beat or be close to this.
+1 wondering the same
I would pick it. Stepless from factory. No fuss. Cheaper overall if you count SSP + Ode. Likely worse for filter but not bad either. Does espresso. Nice design and created to run for 5+ years at the least. Mods are cool but you gotta put you hands in them and small issues may arise eventually and you will not be covered by warranty. I would get the Ode if i happened to get my hands in a used one for very cheap as a filter only grinder. If you can only afford 1 grinder then a multi purpose one like Urbanic or Lagom sounds better.
i have one in the mail now! Will review it when i can
Just bought a gen 1 from fellows refurbished program completely out of impulse. I've been enjoying it with my Chemex, but I just bought a new v60 set and would like to know if I'm safe with just buying some gen 2 burrs for mine or if I should also look into investing in a much more expensive grinder to have a proficient experience.
Hello. What would you think about an advanced Moka pot video? You can control the temperature by putting in boiling, 200, 180, 160 degree water in, but you’d need a temperature probe inside. Also if you want stronger or weaker coffee is it best to put more or less coffee in the basket, or to put less water in the chamber or to dilute afterwards. How do areopresss filters change things below and above the ground coffee? Sprometheus recommends a bloom which is very interesting. What heat is best. Not all stoves have the same btu so it would be a little complicated to test that but maybe something like changing the heat to make coffee come out in 4 minutes or three minutes or two. They are also super accessible to everyone which is great. And what coffees make the best moka pots. I really like your videos keep up the good work
working on a moka pot video now! will need some time
@@LanceHedrick woohoo! Take all the time you need
Lance, How are you handling the SSP worry of blowing the motor? As well as what do you think of backing the dial farther back to keep it from getting too fine ie espresso fine so it doesnt put the motor?
How about burrs alignment? I checked mine (w/ SSP) using Matt Perger’s method, and found the alignment to be mediocre. According to Tricolate team, this might be the reason why I could only reach ~25% EY instead of their advertised 29-30%.
Can anyone link some less expensive replacement burrs? These gator burrs are just too expensive for my budget...
Do you recommend the marker alignment after installing upgraded burrs?
Love your videos.
Would love to know what Lance thinks of this as well since he states that the Ode’s tolerance is tight.
There was no link for the SSP and the Gorilla Hears are sold out. Could you provide a link for SSP? Great video by the way. Liked and subscribed😉!
Great video. Really helpful. Glad to learn even more about the grinder I’ve had since it launched. Loving my aligned and seasoned SSPs, and now excited to learn how to make it stepless or even improve the clickiness of the adjustment dial. Options!
Just make sure that you cover the thread with teflon tape. This will help it not drift
How did you go about seasoning the ssp burrs? Rotational I could get partial wipe but I didn’t know how to approach the stationary burr.
This is the best review of the Fellow Ode that I have seen and I think I watched all of them over the last year.
Wow! Thank you so much! There were a lot of reviews, so that means a ton.
How does this compare to the Urbanic 070s? I am looking for a new grinder around 300 dollars and am torn... I am using it for pour overs only right now, but may want the ability to use it for espresso. If that's not possible, would the Ode be the best at this price range for filter coffee?
This is absolutely the best for filter coffee. If you're going to do just very occasional espresso, the ode can handle that probably.
@@LanceHedrick Is this assuming I do upgrade the burrs? I might just stick it out with my encore until the v2 burrs for the ode come out?
I think that would be a smart decision. The V-2 burrs I believe will be really good. And it always leaves you the option to upgrade to another set of burrs if you're unhappy
@@LanceHedrick Sounds like a plan, thanks for the help!
Any time, friend!
when you're talking about v1 burrs, i'm wondering if they are in fact v1.1. Sounds like v2 might not come out until the end or 2022 if not later :(
I wish you would link more of the things you talk about. The SSP burrs, the Kinu and Comandante... Or like in another video you talked about some coffee from Tim Wendelboe; and like; it's not easy to google that name when you don't know how to spell it. The Kinu isn't obvious how it's spelled when you hear the name either.
Really like the intro!
Thank you so much! I appreciated a lot!
What do you think about the Ode for Aeropres? Have heard conflicting accounts.
Hi Lance! i
the ode in the video is it V1 or V1.1?
i believe the V1.1 have improved burrs, will be good to know the review for the V1.1!
"How it works is proprietary / voodoo ... " They tell you how it works, and it's just basic engineering. The motor has PID speed control. PID (Predictive Integral Derivative) describes some fancy math that's used by control circuits to maintain speed (or temperature, or force, or whatever) with very little drift. The technology just needs a motor, a speed sensor, and a little chip that uses the speed measurements to adjust the power input to the motor.
Exactly my thoughts, although P stands for "Proportional" not "Predictive".
@@jackaw1197 Right! Proportional it is. It's basic math for engineers, but not for me.
@@paulraphael Yeah, no problem. Integral and Derivative are correct though, and they are (at least in practice) the harder parts to get right.
Oh nice! I know how it works, but I was asked not to say anything in the video. I'm glad that you were able to leave this comment though.
Question since I see you have the smart grinder pro. I’m looking for just a great grinder for drip coffee.
You think the smart grinder pro is good enough?
I also use a Ninja coffee brewer lol, I don’t think it’s too bad of a machine
Hi Lance, thanks for your sharing!! i bought the fellow a while ago and i think its the 1st generation. Lately i bought an espresso machine and started to make espresso at home everyday, since the fellow is originally a filter grinder, do you suggest i buy the Gorilla Gear 64mm Black burrs or buy a different grinder. thanks
I've been on the fence with getting this since they modified it to accept the SSP burrs (I guess version 1 would not accept them). Sucks that the Gorilla burrs are damn near $275 which would essentially double the cost of this grinder and you in almost DF64 price territory while not being able to grind espresso. I have a Monolith so I don't need this to grind for espresso anyway but that would be nice plus for this grind for cash strapped individuals
Important to note that the gorilla burrs are not in usd. They're like$175 or so. I guess shipping might be expensive
with shipping to US, these are currently $206.42 USD.
Lance, you say it is the best filter grinder for the money, but specifically, how do you compare the Ode w/ std burrs ($269) to the DF64 standard burrs ($418) or w/ titanium burrs ($468)? I presume the Breville Smart Pro isn’t in the same league as either of these two? How does the Sette 270 fit in here, value-wise for the money compared to the Ode or DF64?
Hi Lance, thanks for the video.
Which type of SSP do you recommend for Ode Single Brew? as I understand, there are 3-4 cut types and several finishes
Was considering the ssp burrs but the price of the burrs and the fact I’ll be getting the v2 burrs for free has me holding off. That and the fact is there always sold out.
That's what the website says, but if you message the guy himself on Instagram, he will tell you the stock on the website isn't updated too often and there might be a couple pairs available :D
Yeah, this checks out. I am trying to make sure the version 2 burrs are as good as they can be
Hi! Thanks for this video! Any thoughts on whether to purchase an ode now and get the SSP burrs or whether the 2.0 is worth the wait (and hopefully lower price)?
Is it better than DF64? (Both default and assuming upgradeable to SSP burrs)
How does the eureka mignon facile compare to this grinder?
Hey Lance, your channel is amazing! I order truck loads of Onyx coffee and my mom's favorite are Southern Weather, Monarch and Geometry. I have a Fellow Ode + SSP and a Ratio 6 coffeemaker. I still can't find the sweet spot I was looking for. My mom had foot surgery and was out of commission for a couple months, so Onyx coffee is what she looked forward to each morning. At the time, I had the Cuisinart Pour over coffeemaker and a Baratza Virtuoso+. I remember the first time I gave her a cup of Southern Weather, I swear she called out every single flavor note that was on the packaging. I've been chasing that cup of coffee that was balanced, silky, oily, good body and had distinct flavor notes. The complexity was incredible. I thought with the Fellow Ode + SSP burrs and Ratio 6, it was going to be a breeze to have all that, but I'm not getting the distinct flavor notes I was with lesser equipment. Would I be better off with the Gorilla Gear burrs? Could it be an alignment issue. I'll get there! Keep up the great work. I saw you were just in London with the Hoff. Safe travels!
My white ODE with SSP arrived yesterday. To be honest this is all I want from a dedicated brew grinder.
I like your vibe, you seem honest. Ima watch the whole video. Can tell it’s a good video!
Totally ordered the Gorilla Gear burrs based on your comparison - thank you for that! Now the waiting game…
How did they work out for you?
@@andreamudiraj9088 working out well! Only within the past couple of weeks I’ve been really able to do a lot of comparisons. What Lance said is correct - SSP can’t be touched in terms of flavor clarity, but the gorilla gears texture and mouth feel is incredible, even with a kalita. Gonna see how it does with aeropress next!
So what is the best filter coffee grinder if monetary value is not a criteria?
This is awesome! Love the tinkering and the fact that the review included burr options. Is it possible to compare the Ode with the Smart Grinder Pro from Breville? I have the SGP but I’m in the market for the ODE just because of the white color option but curious how these two compare since they are close in price
Great video!! I would be interested in a comparison of the gorilla gear burrs and the SSP burrs. Thanks!
I discussed briefly the difference. Are you looking for a triangulation of the 2? Let me know. I am working on another video with 64 mm burrs
@@LanceHedrick thank you for responding! Yes that would be great. I use my Ode with the slightly updated burrs for filter brews only. I am interested in the flavor profiles and differences of each of the burr sets. Thanks again.
@@LanceHedrick How exciting! SSP are making new 64mm burrs modelled on the Lab Sweet 80mm cast burrs. It would interesting to see if these new burrs share the same flavour profile with the Gorilla 64mm in terms of sweetness & body.
Great video. I hope you will do a follow up video when Fellow releases the v2 burrs. This was my first time hearing about the Gorilla Gear Burrs....but I want to see what the v2 burrs from Fellow offer before I look at the aftermarket offerings.
I just got the Ode and am very perplexed that, on course settings (6 and even 7), I am getting drawdown times of 6-7 minutes using the 4:6 method. Strangely, going from 6 to 7 actually seemed to INCREASE the drawdown from about 6:45 (setting 6) to 7:00 (at setting 7). The burrs are not yet seasoned (having only put about 9 x 33g doses of coffee through it). Can anyone explain why I'm getting slower drawdowns at a higher setting of 7 and more fines?
This is by far, the best review of the Ode Grinder and a different Burr set, period. This is the only review that's covered THE INSANELY ANNOYING problem of the beans getting stuck after spritzed (lol drives me crazy) and the stupidity of the lid design. I love that you pointed out the motor as a strength, as I'm fairly certain that's a first (everyone only talks about how it can't handle espresso so you should buy a Niche :flat:). Also, I couldn't agree more, the SSP Burrs on this thing are just amazing and the coffee produced on it is just killer. WOULD love another video on using the SSP Burrs with different coffees, calibrating and playing, etc........Using all of my willpower not buy the Gorilla Gears :sob:
Those gorilla gear burrs are quite awesome though. Might be worth saving up for if you have the ability
The Baratza grinders also have an electronic speed control to hold them at 550r rpm
@@LanceHedrick I will....because I don't have any self control...
Haha! Welcome to my world, friend
Hey, so what is a good filter coffee grinder that is not so expesive? I mean this one is 300 + 200 burrs...
Well, this isn't expensive haha! But I know that is all relative. Under this, is recommend the urbanic if looking for flat burr
What do you think about the mahlkonig x54 burrs if you've had any experience with them?
X54 has steel burrs which are the same ditting burrs that baratza vario modders have been adding for a long time. Lance did a great video on this. Good burrs. Yes. Not sure how they compare here to ode with ssp but good burrs. Also same burrs in vario w+ which is known as a good filter grinder. Hope that helps.
@@dawgman2256 X54 has one identical burr, but the other is different. Probably to allow it to grind for espresso without alignment.
@@jonas5666 Gotcha yeah I was mistaken. I just saw Steve Rhinehart who is super reputable and worked for Prima (now works for acaia) posted this on HB forum "The burrs are not the same Ditting burrs used in the Vario/Forte either. Should be interesting to see how they compare. Alicorned grinders are some seriously tough competition to beat in the cup."
My mistake! Thank you for the correction!
yes. i was misinformed by baratza who told me the x54 had the same burrs. they are, in fact, different. Well, one is. And not as good as the ditting burrs in the forte
Thanks alot for this kinda hacky review of the Ode, much apprechiated!
As someone who is "only" doing French (No)Press Coffee, I'm really interested if the SSP Burrs would be an Upgrade or if the V1 Burrs are perfectly fine... I personally only have a Porlex Tall at the moment and got a bargain Comandante with damaged Wood finish, but fully functional (what actually matters the most :D) And currently I'm searching for a decent electric Grinder. I bought a used WMF Stelio Edition for 15€ (can't really do anything wrongin this price range, but their 48mm flat burrs and the grind distribution are kinda horrible...) So I'm really throwing an Eye to the Fellow Ode, the Wilfa Uniform or a used Baratza Vario to upgrade on. What would be your choice in my situation? Any recommondation for French (No)Press brewers in general? As it usually isn't an emphasized topic for most coffee grinder discussions... :(
Great video! This may have been asked, but how does it compare to the comandante and JX pro?
Thanks for this awesome video Lance! You’re videos has made me completely fall in love with the magic of coffee. I have an ode grinder and I was thinking about getting the ssp but they’re sold out, so I’m leaning towards gorilla gear. As far as I understand the gorilla gears also brings out a lot of Sweetness, body,
Clarity and a silky cup. But are the coffees more textures in comparison with ssp multipurpose?
Hey! How did you find the grind range changed when switching to the gorilla burr set ? What grind size setting were you using for typical pour overs. Also wanted to know if the gorilla burrs had any effect on retention/static?
Awesome video! I definitely love my Ode with the SSP brew burrs. I like your description of how it’s the best brew grinder you can get before hitting diminishing returns. Do you have a grinder for espresso that you can say a similar thing? Is there a grinder you think that can do both espresso and brew well at this level or is getting separate grinders for each the way to go?
I don't have one as of now. Espresso is a fickle world haha
@@LanceHedrick Haha. I hear ya! I have high hopes for the Lagom Mini and am looking forward to hearing your thoughts on that. I was originally thinking about getting a Lagom P64 in hopes of having one grinder for both espresso (on a Flair Pro 2 and likely eventually a 58) and pourover brews. If the Mini performs decently I’m more than happy to have a Mini and Ode at a fraction of the cost of the P64. I’m thinking the black Mini and Ode will look really nice next to each other.
Hi Lance, have you tried the Ode + SSP burrs for Moka Pot?
I have! Though, I'm not moka pot expert
Thanks for the reply Lance. What setting did you end up using for Moka Pot grinds? Also after installing the SSP burrs I've noticed that the auto power off doesn't happen consistently. Using the knocker while its still running seems to help.
To be honest, I don't recall haha!
The description of the Gorilla Gears sounds amazing. Could anyone who has gotten and used them share your thoughts? Currently waiting on mine and am a bit nervous due to the lack of reviews.
respectfully i disagree with the statement regarding diminishing returns at grinders valued above this one, its a very subjective statement. maybe the 2000 dollar grinder had a feature that people value higher than for example the smalll footprint and magnetic dosing cup that the ODE offers. with THAT being said, I still want to get one of these as i need a dedicated filter coffee grinder and it does look nice.
I'm not sure how you can disagree, but that's OK! I've owned loads of the over $2000 grinders and have done many double blind taste tests. I have a decade of taste experience calibrating with coffee professionals around the world. I can safely say the quality increase from a $200 grinder to the ode with ssp is MUCH bigger than ode with ssp to a $3000 grinder, relative to price differential and quality in cup.
Perhaps you're interpreting "diminishing returns" a bit you liberally.
If I were to take my chances and run ssp HU for espresso. Will the quality of espresso be somewhat the same as the likes of df64?
Because I personally don't like the looks of the df64, it's noisier than the ode, it's more expensive, plus I have doubts that the df64 could that much much longer without breaking.
People worry about 140watt motor, but for example the x54 is running 120 (I know it's a little slower in rpm). Just speculating
Issue is the 140 watt motor is catering to 64mm burrs, so loads more friction. and if you do red speed, even more friction. I hadn't looked at how weak the x54 is. Wow! That is shocking.
I would not recommend ode as an espresso grinder. df64 at 250 watts is the floor, imo
Just ordered the Ode with preinstalled SSP burrs - an exciting upgrade from a Baratza Encore. Thank you for the detailed review!
Hello Lance. So I guess you are saying that the Fellow Ode Grinder with the SSP Burrs is the best grinder for pour over without spending way more money? I drink exclusively pour overs.
To me, yes. Absolutely.
How does the Ode with SSPs compare to the comandante? Ignoring workflow, of course.
I prefer ode ssp in every way other than travel lol