That's the whole problem with backgammon though, far too much depends on the roll of the dice. Discovering optimal strategy is fairly simple. So everyone plays the same strategy and the winner is the person who rolled the highest numbers.
@@cheekybrewskitovarich yeah but it's still the same: as I said, optimal strategy is easy to work out. So, it's easy to take advantage of blocking opportunities. It's as easy as looking at the dice, seeing how far separated each counter is and combining any which have been made solitary by the roll of the dice or moving others so they'll make a pair, the opportunity to do it being decided by the roll of the dice. There's taking into account probability but the odds are very easily understood. You can easily work out what chance there is of any roll including doubles. You can do it in your head or by writing down every possible dice roll. It takes about 10 minutes. Then you're about as good as anybody else and the dice determine whether you get the chances or not.
After a couple of years, the thought occurred to me that if they have big clunky dice there’s a likelihood that they will disturb the checkers when thrown, so the lighter the better.
My uncle taught me how to play once. My small brain forgot how to do math immediately and I kept asking for the rules every single turn. To this day I am still inept at this game 😭😭😭 My uncle has a beautiful handmade board he inherited from his parents I think, I remember it being super detailed with conch and different kinds of wood. Good memories.
It's not good enough to just use your hands to make sure of a fair roll of the dice. They're both world champions, so the standard is actually quite high.
I agree, the game looked like below average skill level. They should go play with some grandpas in Iran and then maybe they will learn more. Too risky moves from both sides. It does come down to luck which both players had plenty of this round at least.
Im confused how this is even a thing. I stopped the video after every throw and for the most part predicted the moves. There are maybe 3 to 4 moves a game that are based on intuition rather than odds. There are some strategies based on the relative position to your opponent and your basic strategy but having played at least 10,000 games or more, It doesnt seem like its that skilled after a while. If there is a way to sign up for this kind of thing ill give it a try. I love backgammon but there is a lot of luck involved once you intuitievely know the best move based for any given roll.
Ive played maybe 4-5 games per year with my dad for a while. Cookouts, etc. Never alot. I downloaded a backgammon app, played maybe 150 games in the last couple weeks (im off work because of surgery), and also quickly realized there is really a very limited ammount of strategy/skill, and mostly luck/probability.
I am 36 and I am very experience player and I play with my friend every week up to 20. He is a very strong player. We are amateurs but if we participate in a tournament which we never did. I am sure we can beat every grandmaster at the highest level. 100% . We use to throw dices with hands instead of these thing. Believe me the pleasure it’s much better than with this small box.
@@abanbilal2012 He could have capped the 18 pip (as he did) but then not advance those two pieces together. Instead, he should have moved the two on pip 11 to pip 8. One reason being, if he were to roll double 6s within his next few turns then he'd be screwed and have to leave one open on either 8 or 11.. which is right in opponent's line of sight. So, he needs to get those corner pieces repositioned asap to account for rolling any kind of 6s. That's just one example of what else he could have done...
Always play to the end. I've had an opponent who had three on the board, I had 15 and I backgammoned. You never know your luck.
yeah but he wanted to double the bet/points, its not always worth the risk
@@hershko1 almost always not worth the risk, but you never know the dice
That's the whole problem with backgammon though, far too much depends on the roll of the dice. Discovering optimal strategy is fairly simple. So everyone plays the same strategy and the winner is the person who rolled the highest numbers.
@@vapourmile not at all, blocking well can change the best numbers into the worst numbers
@@cheekybrewskitovarich
yeah but it's still the same: as I said, optimal strategy is easy to work out. So, it's easy to take advantage of blocking opportunities. It's as easy as looking at the dice, seeing how far separated each counter is and combining any which have been made solitary by the roll of the dice or moving others so they'll make a pair, the opportunity to do it being decided by the roll of the dice.
There's taking into account probability but the odds are very easily understood. You can easily work out what chance there is of any roll including doubles. You can do it in your head or by writing down every possible dice roll. It takes about 10 minutes. Then you're about as good as anybody else and the dice determine whether you get the chances or not.
Wow what a game! Thanks for the vid and respect to the players
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Amateur game...
@@Ian_Christensen Literally the world championship, doofus.
Does anyone think the dice might have been a tad on the small side knowing it was being recorded.
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Yeah they were a bit small compared to the other pieces
agreed.
After a couple of years, the thought occurred to me that if they have big clunky dice there’s a likelihood that they will disturb the checkers when thrown, so the lighter the better.
Always a critic
My uncle taught me how to play once. My small brain forgot how to do math immediately and I kept asking for the rules every single turn. To this day I am still inept at this game 😭😭😭
My uncle has a beautiful handmade board he inherited from his parents I think, I remember it being super detailed with conch and different kinds of wood.
Good memories.
What happened on the very last roll for grey? Not sure why the game stopped
Well I thing they exaggerate with the dice shaking just use your hands and I didn’t feel they played that well tbh
It's not good enough to just use your hands to make sure of a fair roll of the dice. They're both world champions, so the standard is actually quite high.
I think the rules say you have to vigorously shake the dice
I agree, the game looked like below average skill level. They should go play with some grandpas in Iran and then maybe they will learn more. Too risky moves from both sides. It does come down to luck which both players had plenty of this round at least.
@@michaelbar859you do know they're both World Champions?? Maybe you go and educate yourself at Grandpa's..
This is me at the first matches when i learned the game 😂
Certo certo: ci sono cose che chi gioca da avanti ieri non capisce, ma che questi due campioni si saranno studiato essere le migliori
Nice game and the board is really awsome
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I agree the board is nice... but wtf, they play like newbs
That board is awesome but the gameplay was kinda disappointing. They missed quite a few chances
Im confused how this is even a thing. I stopped the video after every throw and for the most part predicted the moves. There are maybe 3 to 4 moves a game that are based on intuition rather than odds. There are some strategies based on the relative position to your opponent and your basic strategy but having played at least 10,000 games or more, It doesnt seem like its that skilled after a while. If there is a way to sign up for this kind of thing ill give it a try. I love backgammon but there is a lot of luck involved once you intuitievely know the best move based for any given roll.
Ive played maybe 4-5 games per year with my dad for a while. Cookouts, etc. Never alot. I downloaded a backgammon app, played maybe 150 games in the last couple weeks (im off work because of surgery), and also quickly realized there is really a very limited ammount of strategy/skill, and mostly luck/probability.
Is mars equal to winng two games?
Yes
Why did he quit????
Who won....?
LOL 😆
The guy from your POV
use higher contrast and larger dice. to hard to see numbers rolled
I agree let’s make the dice bigger than the clock
What kind of table is this?
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Great game,Well done.
lol... where you from. wanna play?
2:24 holy SHIT THAT FUCKING PLAY RIGHT THERE
Only works if we can see the numbers rolled.
I am 36 and I am very experience player and I play with my friend every week up to 20. He is a very strong player. We are amateurs but if we participate in a tournament which we never did. I am sure we can beat every grandmaster at the highest level. 100% . We use to throw dices with hands instead of these thing. Believe me the pleasure it’s much better than with this small box.
Annoying that dice are so tiny and can't be easily seen
you have all my respect
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What are you talking about lmao, they played perfectly
Ερασιτέχνες όνομα και πράγμα.
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😂😂😂😂
It took him a minute to move 6-6, with 3 pieces forced.
Backgammon is the game lucky people calls a skill game.
😂 thats actually mad funny
Who else is clueless like what the hell am i watching?
All these people in the comments who know 0 about the game criticising is ridiculous
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Joe made so many mistakes.... How did he ever get to the final?
Like what mistakes?
That 6 5 was a great mistake... he lwot the game there... amateurs...
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lol... so many mistakes.. this can't seriously be the world champ.
Who is playing?
The move at 0:55 is hilarious
@@mcali_9644 what else could've he done. That was the best move
@@mcali_9644 That guy won the game because of that move.
Not you.
@@abanbilal2012 He could have capped the 18 pip (as he did) but then not advance those two pieces together. Instead, he should have moved the two on pip 11 to pip 8.
One reason being, if he were to roll double 6s within his next few turns then he'd be screwed and have to leave one open on either 8 or 11.. which is right in opponent's line of sight. So, he needs to get those corner pieces repositioned asap to account for rolling any kind of 6s.
That's just one example of what else he could have done...
k.
Juegan niños
*lost
not good players; especially white. Black had one critical bad play at 2:50
What was the good move?
Wow 😂
Asmr
Great game????
Haha
Are you kidding me???
I count 30 mistakes.
Tragic players
You again! 😄 Where were you for this championship? Hope all is well in Greece 👍🏻
@@VanBurgen Haha.Perfect all
bunch of pea heads. i could do better
Why did the game end when it did? He didn't roll a two but he could have done on the next roll, no? I'm currently trying to learn the game.
@@ryanpears2456 accepting cube would have been suicide.
amateurs
Awful
HAHAAH...AMATEUrS
so bad