The Bad Guy This Season Is XP Leveling | Fantasy High Junior Year [Clip]

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  • @blnkdan
    @blnkdan 10 місяців тому +1019

    Obsessed with the fact that at Aguefort they usually “take [students] into the woods so they can fight low level monsters + experience their first battle injury safely” meanwhile half fully DIED and Adaine literally /murdered/ an /actual person/ with a ladle on their first day of school

    • @kaitlynnc15
      @kaitlynnc15 10 місяців тому +108

      "Do I have to use the ladle? It's a bit triggering for me."

    • @Mr.Bubbles42
      @Mr.Bubbles42 8 місяців тому +50

      It just shows they did not have a normal first day. Don't forget there was also a murder-suicide

    • @eliotnemec8842
      @eliotnemec8842 7 місяців тому +7

      That's why they're his favorite 🤣

    • @dragonrider9943
      @dragonrider9943 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@Mr.Bubbles42Of the principal who snuck into heaven and then knocked a God's lights out cause it would be fun, and the guidance counselor they really could've used at that moment. At least there's Jawbone.

    • @TonkarzOfSolSystem
      @TonkarzOfSolSystem Місяць тому +1

      Because they all decided to jump onto tables and crawl up a custard monster's sphincter instead of actually fighting.

  • @CivilWarMan
    @CivilWarMan 10 місяців тому +1655

    I think what would make a really satisfying denouement of this rivalry would be when the Rat Grinders and Bad Kids have to face off in battle, and it's revealed that the Rat Grinders are all super powerful and dangerous in a theorycrafting white room calculations way, but they each also have some unique glaring weakness that they never addressed because they spent all of their time fighting low CR monsters that couldn't exploit them, and that they lack party synergy because they've never been forced into a difficult position where they have to rely on their teammates to succeed.
    Something like their Barbarian can deal massive amounts of damage, but can't make a Wisdom save if their life depended on it, but their Bard never gives them Bardic Inspiration to help because they're too busy using them all on something like Blade Flourishes or Cutting Words. Or their Rogue has an insane burst opener, but has no sustained follow-up because she's never fought a creature that can tank her first attack.

    • @startingfromlevelone9510
      @startingfromlevelone9510 10 місяців тому +169

      That would be awesome, and a good way to write villains with exploitable weaknesses

    • @mintmittens
      @mintmittens 10 місяців тому +90

      This is great, especially with the concept of dump stats 😂

    • @bryanwoods3373
      @bryanwoods3373 10 місяців тому +75

      Those builds that can do 200 damage to one enemy at level 5, but they've blown all their resources until the next long rest because of that one round.

    • @jahsoldier14
      @jahsoldier14 10 місяців тому +32

      I think that wouldn't make for entertaining villains though. Like, a flashy fight full of typical moments, but a decent party of players could deal with that, especially if that party kept assuming things about the world within the confines of a standard DnD setting. But in this world, the NPCs are all aware of DnD rules and stats and fears (in a general war, as Brennen said). So they shouldn't make themselves vulnerable in that way.
      I think it would be immensely satisfying, especially within character arcs, if the Bad Kids fight the Rat Grinders but don't win (a stalemate or loss is fine), and realize that they've been unserious about the world they live in (classes, divinity, jobs, responsibilities) and the Rat Grinders, though resentful, aren't entirely wrong. But then maybe that resentment and other consequences (like lack of faith for a cleric, or fulfilling a warlock pact) gave room for the big bad to take form and the baddy destroys the Grinders who try valiantly to stop it.
      The the bad kids have to grow as characters to weaken the baddy and defeat it in glorious battle.
      I think Brennen has the smarts to pull that off, and he knows story well enough to make something like that. At least, I think I'm seeing the seeds of it.

    • @fomxparanuwu
      @fomxparanuwu 10 місяців тому +2

      Im just waiting for cassandra to pull the most insane shit

  • @extraterrestiaI
    @extraterrestiaI 10 місяців тому +579

    Brennan's delivery of the cheeky "whoops, sorry" always cracks me up

  • @romxxii
    @romxxii 10 місяців тому +1028

    I love the look on Ally's face as they discover XP grinding for the first time, after _years_ of playing D&D with the gang.

    • @Jason_Bryant
      @Jason_Bryant 10 місяців тому +106

      Well, killing basic creatures in the starter area is more of a video game thing than a DnD thing.

    • @jahsoldier14
      @jahsoldier14 10 місяців тому +52

      And in a world of DnD aware NPCs, it makes sense that it's a known strategy, just not a well respected one.

    • @B2Roland
      @B2Roland 5 місяців тому +4

      Dimension 20 basically always uses milestone leveling. XP is fussy as fuck

  • @Linnssoppa
    @Linnssoppa 10 місяців тому +1594

    I don't know who's more mad, Riz or Murph lol

    • @Birthday888
      @Birthday888 10 місяців тому +204

      Murph. Definitely Murph. His DM brain is screaming for blood.

    • @austinparker87
      @austinparker87 10 місяців тому +13

      @@Birthday888 100% 😂

    • @Blasted2Oblivion
      @Blasted2Oblivion 6 місяців тому +12

      ​@@Birthday888 I love when he snaps at Kipperlilly in that fight.

    • @vaalnailo5789
      @vaalnailo5789 6 місяців тому

      yes

  • @salenstormwing
    @salenstormwing 10 місяців тому +848

    "The real XP was the friends we made along the way.... and also all the monsters we killed. Oh BOY did we kill a lot of Slimes."

    • @Babbling_Wizard
      @Babbling_Wizard 10 місяців тому +8

      The wizard who has been stabbed by goblin twice😅

    • @stm7810
      @stm7810 6 днів тому

      I made a character for a game where this sort of thing was encouraged, all players were on board, but specialized in resurrection which in that system had no money cost, just energy who basically set up fun snuff among friends so the party could power level safely.

  • @crows2808
    @crows2808 10 місяців тому +499

    Best part is Brennan getting caught early on his XP vs Milestone beef (seeded in one of the earliest Adventuring Academy episodes), but being absolutely delighted at his own cleverness. 10/10, never change.

  • @jamesmedina4407
    @jamesmedina4407 8 місяців тому +140

    I love Riz's anger
    "THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF ADVENTURING!"
    It really shows ya Riz's love of being an adventurer.

  • @tiffpoydras
    @tiffpoydras 10 місяців тому +2023

    I understand Kipperlady’s fairness is about the bad kids always getting the best quests, but the fact that they speak about fairness when they have NO actual experience??

    • @tiffpoydras
      @tiffpoydras 10 місяців тому +236

      They would die so quickly on an actual quest

    • @curtismurphy6206
      @curtismurphy6206 10 місяців тому +179

      Exactly. Like, if they were trying to get quests like that, that's one thing. But it seems like all they've been doing is grinding without even trying to go on quests

    • @ohanronton
      @ohanronton 10 місяців тому +387

      I think the Rat Grinders are all of the worst DND player stereotypes. You have the rules lawyer, the edgy one, the one that won't rp, etc.

    • @ibloody_4141
      @ibloody_4141 10 місяців тому +71

      Reminder that everyone gets to play dnd how they want. If you want to power game and grind rats for hours, you should be allowed to do so.

    • @largeman2316
      @largeman2316 10 місяців тому +165

      I understand the stuff about fairness too, but respectfully, they’ve saved the world 3 times. Twice in a year. If they were being treated BADLY, I’d get it, but the kids who literally stopped the apocalypse 3 times by the time of their junior year getting a little special treatment is not really a big deal imo

  • @catherineelmore2004
    @catherineelmore2004 2 місяці тому +11

    I’m looking back at this post campaign… and the fact that Jace was showing off their logs to show “yeah these kids have sure only been grinding in the woods killing rats” when we know what’s *actually* been happening and why they’ve been doing that- presumably to get attention off him and Porter - is a really great bit of “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” that I honestly didn’t notice til now.

  • @__-vb3ht
    @__-vb3ht 10 місяців тому +389

    This is so fitting for a campaign in which all the D&D classes one can take are...literally classes one can take. The best thing about Fantasy High was always how self-aware and meta it was, even down to the name. I love it, this is amazing

    • @pizzadragon2699
      @pizzadragon2699 10 місяців тому +13

      ...how did I just realize the pun in the name 🤦‍♂️

    • @bat8046
      @bat8046 2 місяці тому

      @@pizzadragon2699 ?

    • @pizzadragon2699
      @pizzadragon2699 2 місяці тому +1

      @@bat8046 Swap the words

  • @Squizzomatic
    @Squizzomatic 10 місяців тому +1431

    So instead of capitalism being the bad buy this season is xp vs milestone leveling 😂 I love it so much

    • @romxxii
      @romxxii 10 місяців тому +88

      I suspect that eventually the big bad will be some Pay 2 Win organization that's powerleveling the low level noobs in the tutorial dungeon while they sleep or something.

    • @SireRose
      @SireRose 10 місяців тому +54

      XP leveling is the season's big bad. Capitalism is the over arching big bad.

    • @tim.noonan
      @tim.noonan 10 місяців тому +54

      Brennan ran out of societal ills to make into BBEGs so now he’s airing his grievances about how DnD is best played 😂

    • @Glaycier
      @Glaycier 10 місяців тому +11

      @@tim.noonanthe best kind of campaign.

    • @MykiiMescal
      @MykiiMescal 10 місяців тому +8

      i can make this about capitalism

  • @Eramiserasmus
    @Eramiserasmus 10 місяців тому +251

    Riz losing his mind over it is justifiable. But Copperkettle is trying to argue that "fairness" of quest distribution when they haven't gotten themselves into any situation that would require them to go on the quest lines.

    • @fidget0227
      @fidget0227 21 день тому +4

      She genuinely believes that she has worked harder than anyone around her and that she deserves more than she has. In a way she has, but she’s worked hard in all the wrongs ways, at grinding boringly, that she didn’t bother to work hard at being a hero. She doesn’t see being a hero as an element even, just work = praise. It’s a really shallow frame of mind that Brennan plays so perfectly.

    • @parkerdalberg9033
      @parkerdalberg9033 14 днів тому +1

      @@fidget0227she didn’t even really do a lot of work to get them as powerful as they are too, cause remember Porter was beating up powerful monsters then bringing them to the Rat Grinders so they could get the XP from it so it would be faster

  • @upalapapa2012
    @upalapapa2012 10 місяців тому +89

    I love the look Emily and Murph share at 00:44 literally soulmate behavior

  • @Furluge
    @Furluge 10 місяців тому +213

    "It's really hard to do the same thing for 3 hours everyday"
    Everyone with job suddenly wept a single tear and they can't explain why.

    • @SophiaAphrodite
      @SophiaAphrodite 5 місяців тому +11

      AFTER school. So imagine doing something for 3 hrs AFTER work

    • @liaspooked4980
      @liaspooked4980 4 місяці тому +8

      @@SophiaAphrodite and also the impressive part was being able to get six teenagers to focus and work together AFTER school for 3 hours EVERYDAY, that is lowkey impossible

  • @reynastrange2828
    @reynastrange2828 10 місяців тому +395

    Rats give 10xp, spiders give 10xp, and Twig Gremlins are a thing I think Brennan made up, but I’d assume they have CR 1/8 and so probably give 25xp. 10th level characters, like the Bad Kids, have 64,000xp, and there’s no way the Rat Grinders are a lower level. So, if the Rat Grinders have killed equal amounts of rats, spiders, and twig gremlins, then they have killed a minimum of 1,423 each

    • @brickingle3984
      @brickingle3984 10 місяців тому +55

      The twig gremlin. Might just be the twig blight

    • @Ciara_Turner
      @Ciara_Turner 10 місяців тому +108

      Given that Brennan said they'd logged 80,000 kills, if there's 6 rat grinders (a foil for each bad kid) then that's what, 13,333 kills per person? If you say that's an average of 15xp per kill that's almost 200,000xp per rat grinder. Level 16?

    • @nateridgely6778
      @nateridgely6778 10 місяців тому +94

      ⁠@@Ciara_Turnerassuming Aguefort is like the US and there’s 180 days, and they grind for 3 after school, that’s 540 hours. Add in 9 hours on the weekend (assuming that’s per weekend, not per weekend day), for about 36 weekends that’s an additional 324 hours. Assuming they actually take their seasonal breaks, that’s at a minimum 1,728 hours over the course of two school years. If they’ve killed 13,333 each over all those hours, that means that each Ratgrinder kills about 7 rats an hour… which means it takes about 600 rounds of combat to kill a collective of 42 SINGLE HIT POINT RATS
      So not only are they farming, THEYRE REALLY FUCKING BAD AT IT

    • @xipalips
      @xipalips 10 місяців тому +61

      @@nateridgely6778 I'll point out that if they're the kind to spend 9 hours a weekend grinding rats, they definitely did not stick to just farming rats during the school year. Summer break? You better believe we're putting in overtime.

    • @MudakTheMultiplier
      @MudakTheMultiplier 10 місяців тому +79

      ​@@nateridgely6778they're probably spending more time finding them than actually fighting them.

  • @redblackroses23
    @redblackroses23 10 місяців тому +161

    Em and Murph mind-melding lol

    • @0thImpact
      @0thImpact 10 місяців тому +18

      That instantaneous shared look of horror is truly relationship goals.

  • @Thornshock
    @Thornshock 10 місяців тому +106

    Brennan getting a little shy that the elevator pitch if this season was figured out makes me so happy

  • @NovemberStormChannel
    @NovemberStormChannel 10 місяців тому +525

    Murph is justifiably upset.

    • @FacQue-c9m
      @FacQue-c9m 7 місяців тому

      If monsters were real, and you could XP level, I would be tempted to grind on low level mobs to give me the extra advantage though.

  • @anonymousfandommix6850
    @anonymousfandommix6850 10 місяців тому +89

    Kipperdoggygirl complaining about fairness when the bad kids earned their quests- they weee the only ones who stayed to FIGHT Kalvaxus! Like I would side with her if it weren’t for that

    • @pixiepearls3
      @pixiepearls3 10 місяців тому +28

      My exact thought! They've been doing this since freshman year, so where were they when Kalvaxus came back? Cowards.

    • @agiddysea
      @agiddysea 10 місяців тому +13

      To be fair, freshman don't go to senior prom

    • @emilyfallaw5912
      @emilyfallaw5912 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@agiddyseaThey were all freshmen, they're the same age.

  • @Maplestarknight
    @Maplestarknight 10 місяців тому +231

    I love how dedicated to the idea that The Rat Grinders are the bad guys the entire cast is.
    These are just other teens trying to get through school. Like, the bad kids school experience so far is Insane, and theyre Obsessed with these other students who are just like. Doing their own thing, entirely Unrelated to them.

    • @romxxii
      @romxxii 10 місяців тому +46

      found the guy who XP farms in the tutorial dungeon.

    • @Hypersaiyanike
      @Hypersaiyanike 10 місяців тому +91

      The Rat Grinders are literally picking this fight. The most infuriating thing is that these kids actively haven't tried anything until it was a near guarantee they'd succeed.
      Kipperlily starts her student council run only when she has the entire school year to herself, having "found" the rogue professor. Rouge class is the only one that has an instant ace condition for a year, and likely why she is one.
      Ruben released his grungy sophomore album while Fig is too busy stopping the Night Yorb to release hers. It hasn't been stated if he made a freshmen one, but Fig had made a successful one, hence why her not making the next one has been a big deal for her.
      Mary Ann trys out for the bloodrush team in her junior year when she's finally strong enough to tackle a half orc to the ground. All three of the boys tried out freshman year regardless of their own strengths, and based on her attitude it may not even be something she wants to do.

    • @OseEigbobo
      @OseEigbobo 10 місяців тому +18

      How does any of this indicate that they are picking a fight?​@@Hypersaiyanike

    • @Hypersaiyanike
      @Hypersaiyanike 10 місяців тому +52

      @@OseEigbobo Admittedly, none of what I said does. I'm simply pointing out the most aggravating aspect of them to me, which is their absolute refusal to take risks.
      However, Kipperlilly has made it very clear from her dialogue towards the Bad Kids that she believes them to be getting special treatment and is indirectly coming after them for it. Ruben has spoken to Fig in a sparky and condescending manor upon literal first meeting. Mary Ann really hasn't demonstrated anything of the sort, which is why I think this conflict, much like her bloodrush tryout, is something she's just going along with.

    • @GZilla311
      @GZilla311 10 місяців тому +2

      It’s about the principle of the thing.

  • @rachellawhead6923
    @rachellawhead6923 10 місяців тому +52

    This is SO brilliant - making the central tension in the campaign an argument that actual DnD players have about how to play this game (XP Leveling vs Milestone). GOD I love d20 ❤

  • @Mr.Inktail
    @Mr.Inktail 10 місяців тому +81

    I'm kinda hoping one or two things.
    1. That when the enevetable Bad Kids vs Rat Grinders happens, we actually get an exchange where someone points out the flaws of the other side and becomes pretty much the whole Milestone vs XP argument.
    Riz: "BEING SAFE ISN"T ADVENTURING. YOU NEED TO RISK YOUR LIFE!"
    Kipperlilly: "WE'RE STUDENTS NOT SOLDIERS WE SHOUILDN'T BE TAKING UNNECESSARY RISKS TO OUR LIVES!"
    Or
    2. The Bad kids find out that Rat Grinders want to be safe for other reasons such as Mary Ann not wanting to go on adventure where her teammates will abandon her because she's a kobold, like what happened to her adventuring father, kinda hitting home with Riz who , On a history check or something, knows that Goblinoids and Kobolds have often been overlooked and dismissed and discriminated in adventruing parties. He just happens to have made a lot of good friends.
    MA: "No one cares about the little monster adventurers. They'd rather save their scales than help us."

  • @thebigh4752
    @thebigh4752 10 місяців тому +42

    Dimension 20 is some of the best streaming entertainment out there.

  • @kimaclaret
    @kimaclaret 10 місяців тому +34

    This bit was so hilarious to me. I love the immediate outrage.

  • @GOMO26
    @GOMO26 10 місяців тому +42

    I am calling it now based on a comment Brennan made to Matt Mercer a year ago, Kristin's brother is going to join the rat grinders and become the most powerful cleric of the god of the sun in about 3 weeks in game time because of the forest with a bit too many monsters and is a match for demon generals

    • @mintmittens
      @mintmittens 10 місяців тому +9

      Unfortunately, Kristen's brother is a Paladin, not a Cleric.
      Narratively that'd be crazy, but he's also a freshman and the rat grinders are juniors by this point

    • @GOMO26
      @GOMO26 10 місяців тому +4

      @@mintmittens The strongest paladin of the god of the sun. I thought the Rat Grinders would do something like it to mess with Kristin's campaign like an even her brother isn't voting for her kind of thing

    • @parkerdalberg9033
      @parkerdalberg9033 14 днів тому

      Literally you got everything dead wrong

  • @jahsoldier14
    @jahsoldier14 10 місяців тому +12

    I think there is a really interesting potential here that I hope Brennan is leading up too. He's made a few comments on the sort of meta nature of this world and it's premise, and I wonder if he's setting up the bad kids and their relative consequence free life style as being the point of conflict "the villian to everyone else's pov)
    The Rat Grinders could be a consequence of the Bad Kids living the PC glory, the new principal and the FBI bird; consequences. What happens to Cassandra, consequences. Now all the homework and class load and requirements to pursue "multi class" characters. All of that, plus what Brennen said about how he heard junior year described by friends when researching this season...
    Everyone is talking about fairness, from the Rat Grinders, Cassandra, the new principal, the FBI bird even represents it... Fairness. The players are in a DnD world where everyone is aware of the nature of their world. So in a meta way, acting like PCs in a normal dnd world while living in a world aware of DnD, would make people resent you and the world of authority and consequence come down on you.
    I think it would be brilliant.

  • @codycarney2311
    @codycarney2311 10 місяців тому +72

    I feel ya, Riz. I feel ya.

  • @brionosullivan1992
    @brionosullivan1992 10 місяців тому +4

    I love that Murph and Emily have the same realization at the exact same time 0:45! What a power couple being on the same wavelength!

  • @ThisAintAStupidName
    @ThisAintAStupidName 9 місяців тому +38

    “I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” - Bruce Lee

  • @ayt3877
    @ayt3877 10 місяців тому +12

    Emily's witch cackle at Brannan's opps face is delightful 😂

  • @lucaswickmansound
    @lucaswickmansound 10 місяців тому +23

    Despite the Butt Crushers(or whatever their name is) being at an estimated level 13-15, they would get *slaughtered* by any of the big bads from this series

    • @parkerdalberg9033
      @parkerdalberg9033 14 днів тому

      They’re Level 20 but yeah they would get destroyed cause of the total lack of party cohesion

  • @markrobinson3387
    @markrobinson3387 10 місяців тому +30

    This is a brilliant… BRILLIANT plot device. I’m always in aw of Brendan, Aabria, Matt, and their co-writers (shout out to the co-writers who deserve more credit) ability to tell a story. ❤❤❤

  • @ftabah
    @ftabah 10 місяців тому +26

    So a rat is challenge 0, 10 xp. so about 800k xp. But they are 4, so 200k for each one.
    They are at least level 16, that takes 195,000 xp.

    • @eddiemate
      @eddiemate 10 місяців тому +5

      4 that we know of, but the four Rat Grinders that we know of are a foil to a Bad Kid in some way, so it's more likely there's 6 of them and we haven't met the ones who are a foil to Fabian and Adaine yet.
      For 6 adventurers, off the top of my head, I believe that was like 133k, or level 13? I didn't feel like pulling up the xp table or doing the math again but it was somewhere around there.

  • @goliathe7654
    @goliathe7654 10 місяців тому +115

    I watched a stream game use the xp system and they turned into monsters

    • @holykonchu7250
      @holykonchu7250 10 місяців тому +39

      Listen when the game stresses xp system, you will kill everything and anyone to level up, and you my friend, look just enough to get to level 3, I NEED MY SUBCLASS COME HERE

    • @hawkname1234
      @hawkname1234 10 місяців тому +21

      XP is fine as long as you give lots of XP for exploration and social.

    • @t.estable3856
      @t.estable3856 10 місяців тому +11

      XP is fine as long as the System limits your ability to earn it off of considerably weaker opponents. PF2e, for instance, where anything less than 3 lvls below yours gives you 0 XP.

    • @holykonchu7250
      @holykonchu7250 10 місяців тому

      @@hawkname1234 sounds like milestone a little bit if you get xp for exploring since the only way to gain xp is to kill in 5E

    • @bryanwoods3373
      @bryanwoods3373 10 місяців тому +9

      You get XP for overcoming challenges. Like when I used to run beginner games to teach, I didn't care much how they did it. Put the mob to sleep, trick them, negotiate, bribe. You still defeated the mob and get XP. Exploration my not do it by itself, but the DM can reward using skills and being innovative doing it. Using cartography or some kind of divination to map the dungeon. The problem is people being trapped in old styles of gaming while complaining about old styles of gaming.

  • @daniellins4114
    @daniellins4114 10 місяців тому +6

    I gotta say this is cathegoricaly the best content of Sophmore Year on this side of the paywall

  • @tackyoptic
    @tackyoptic 10 місяців тому +51

    They've got the grindset mindset, man.

  • @gomitax92
    @gomitax92 10 місяців тому +44

    In story is kinda hilarious that that they're pissed of at group of people that trained more than they did.

    • @alisilcox6036
      @alisilcox6036 10 місяців тому +20

      If the bad kids had been left alone to be mediocre students, they probably wouldn't feel so aggrieved though. Their pathologies are gained through their families and environments, and they didn't ask to be forced into a growth journey in which they save the world three times, lose relationships friends and loved ones, have existential crises and are all in various ways heinously tortured - but they stepped up and grew through it.

    • @ashleyjohnson9651
      @ashleyjohnson9651 10 місяців тому +7

      i dont count killing a shit ton of enemies that you only kill because you know they arent any actual challenge to you "training". its exploiting a loophole in the system plain and simple

    • @bestaround3323
      @bestaround3323 10 місяців тому +14

      ​@@ashleyjohnson9651It is though. Training doesn't have to be risky

    • @ashleyjohnson9651
      @ashleyjohnson9651 10 місяців тому +6

      @@bestaround3323 but you do need variety. no one would call playing the very first level of a game over and over to be truly learning the game any better after a certain point. if they are only battling the same 3 types of low level monsters, they arent learning the team synergy and ability to adapt to situations that an adventuring team that went on actual adventures will. and i dont even mean "save the world" level adventures that the bad kids did.
      even just the regular mandatory quest that students are supposed to go on (iirc) would have provided them with more varied and realistic adventure experience. i mean, its literally a school for adventurers, this would be the opportune time to learn and risk BECAUSE you still have the school supporting you. instead of coasting through on an easy ride, to get thrown out to the world of true dangerous and deadly quests, with no actual experience of what to do when things don't go easy and perfect.
      like it isnt even "they arent doing what the bad kids did so its bad" they arent even doing what ANY of the other students seem to be expected to do.

    • @AlphaNinjaFTW1
      @AlphaNinjaFTW1 9 місяців тому +6

      training like that would normally have a cap like your not really gonna learn more after 1000 kills if rats and spiders

  • @lordofPockets
    @lordofPockets 10 місяців тому +9

    first time i see that Murf really get angry and found a way that his character was angry

  • @TwistedSkullable
    @TwistedSkullable 10 місяців тому +5

    As a staunch and uncompromising pro milestone leveling supporter, I highly support this approach.

  • @captaindesperado13
    @captaindesperado13 10 місяців тому +31

    I had to do some math after Gorthalax said what they've slain. Even if it's highballing, 80,000 rats/spiders is 800,000 XP which is twice the amount you need to go from level 1 to 20. Even if it's a tenth of that, that's still enough for them to reach level 10....... This season is going to be insane

    • @OrpheusWasAPoorBoy
      @OrpheusWasAPoorBoy 10 місяців тому +28

      But that's the amount of rats killed by the full party. Wouldn't they each individually get 1/6th of that? Still an insane amount of XP but yeah

  • @SharkyShocker
    @SharkyShocker 10 місяців тому +6

    Would find it hilarious if they ended up fighting, and even though the rat grinders are all way higher level, all of their spells are AOE and perfect for 1 hp opponents. Meanwhile, they have no healing spells because they never get hurt and the second they do get hurt they panic and fall apart.

  • @insorrow6951
    @insorrow6951 10 місяців тому +10

    i am very much looking forward to the compilation of kipperlily's various names

  • @furygeist
    @furygeist 10 місяців тому +12

    Ally infecting the party with Hey Girly has been one of the funniest running jokes this season. Cracks me up every time.

  • @BPrez94
    @BPrez94 10 місяців тому +6

    "Calm down, The Ball" I'm dying

  • @xipalips
    @xipalips 10 місяців тому +28

    So the Ratgrinders spend 24 hours a week farming xp. That comes out to 14,440 rounds of combat, every week, for 104 weeks. At one rat kill a round, 10 xp a rat, it takes under 3 weeks to hit level 20. Even if they don't get a rat per round, once you factor in spells like fireball and aoe moves, these guys might have hit level 20 before the end of freshman year. They might have casted the time stop in the assembly room!

    • @nemasisdemarini8339
      @nemasisdemarini8339 6 місяців тому +1

      Well you also have to keep in mind that they would have to spend time finding them. And also, they would be much slower at the start.

  • @MorosSilverwing
    @MorosSilverwing 6 місяців тому +2

    Brennan: i'll make some characters that're proto serial killers
    Players: XP GRINDING!

  • @paulyguitary7651
    @paulyguitary7651 10 місяців тому +4

    These cats out there grinding low level monsters meanwhile our protagonists on their very first day of school had to fight lunch and two of them died, albeit temporarily.

  • @loganosborn7453
    @loganosborn7453 10 місяців тому +5

    Leave it to Brennan to make Xp leveling the Bad Guy. 😂😂😂 To continue to spite mercer over this just gave me reason to live. Thank you Mulligan

  • @brittanyanderson97
    @brittanyanderson97 7 місяців тому +2

    The fact that Brennen found away to make Murph genuinely upset after like 5 years of Dimension 20 is actually really funny. Brennen really wanted him to feel rage this season 😂

  • @FDLHtv
    @FDLHtv 10 місяців тому +40

    Anyone else think they're using chronomancy to get more time in the day to grind in the woods?

    • @StilltheAp0llyon
      @StilltheAp0llyon 10 місяців тому +13

      They'd need to make the creatures grow faster. They're killing 300+ creatures every week. That's unsustainable.

    • @BillyKamp
      @BillyKamp 10 місяців тому +8

      You caught with Riz insight at the end right? I am curious because Brennan linked it with the need to write 10 page essays. Like, all the bad kids are stripped from time.

    • @Brasswatchman
      @Brasswatchman 9 місяців тому +3

      ​@@StilltheAp0llyonYeah, *something's* up with that. To provide those kinds of numbers, there'd have to be a frigging *rat factory* hidden somewhere in those woods.

  • @commandervulkan
    @commandervulkan 10 місяців тому +10

    XP vs Milestone the great debate of why shouldn't I burn this village down when I'm done for the extra numbers and does my DM feel like we've earned it?

  • @noelhutchins7366
    @noelhutchins7366 10 місяців тому +3

    If the Grinders each chose a terribly disadvantaging dump-stat to max a specific advantage, they'd need to stay in beginner areas to survive the inevitable crits; Special-Ed-Grinding to fill-in gaping-voids in their core-stats.

  • @bonzupippinpaddleoxacoppil484
    @bonzupippinpaddleoxacoppil484 7 місяців тому +2

    Kylolightsaber Coldplaykegel could have just as easily become obsessed with The Seven. Both groups were put through the Klavaxus ringer and leveraged it for greater adventures.

  • @wenting2457
    @wenting2457 10 місяців тому +3

    1:36 maybe the rogue teacher is Master Splinter

  • @vanmiandcovel5607
    @vanmiandcovel5607 10 місяців тому +10

    Thanks Matt for the debate that resulted in this.

  • @zero3045
    @zero3045 10 місяців тому +10

    Matthew Mercer what have you done?

  • @herothebard
    @herothebard 10 місяців тому +3

    I had to do some math for the XP levelling, lets assume that the rat crushers are level 9, that would mean they had to get 64000 XP to get from level 1 to level 9.
    - Twig Blight are 1/4 challenge rating giving you 25 xp,
    - Rat Swarm has a challenge rating of 50 xp, and
    - Giant Wolf Spiders (classified as a medium creature) are a challenge rating of 1/4 giving 50 xp.
    In order to level from 1-9 you would need to kill 2560 Twig Blight or Giant Wolf Spiders, or 1280 Rat Swarms. This isn’t impossible, but it is very much tedious and levelling to higher and higher ranks doing just that, would be boring. How many rats can you kill before you’re just tired of doing that.

    • @SatinFoxx
      @SatinFoxx 10 місяців тому +1

      0:35 "like 80 thousand" even if we just take Twig Blights, that's 2 million xp, lv 20 is only 355 thousand.
      Now if he misspoke and meant 8 thousand we can still say 200k, which is just above level 16, throw in some Rats and Spiders and you have a level 17 group easy.

    • @herothebard
      @herothebard 10 місяців тому +1

      ⁠@@SatinFoxxthat is disgusting, that is so much, and I get that you would learn some stuff from fighting such small monsters but like they have no experience in creating a plan, or strategy, when you fight the same monsters over and over again you can reasonably get to level 20 but you wouldn’t know how to do anything else. How do you take on a world ending evil if you don’t know how large enemy’s fight?

  • @macaroni3062
    @macaroni3062 10 місяців тому +4

    Shrimpapalooza Chronology is so much more antagonizing than most BBEGs can ever dream of being. Not grand, scheming, or uniquely evil, just INFURIATINGLY LAME and COMPETENT

  • @WaxierWarrior
    @WaxierWarrior 3 місяці тому +1

    Its so funny as well as being in both a milestone campaign and a xp campaign they are also different energies.
    Milestone you chill and vibe with the story.
    XP turns you into a feral room cleaner who focuses on killing every single xp source available.

  • @noalangan7645
    @noalangan7645 5 місяців тому +1

    murph and emily looking at each other and realising at the same time

  • @clownwig3
    @clownwig3 7 місяців тому

    I haven't started the video and the fact I see the description for the rival party being called "The Rat Grinders" gives me all the knowledge I know.

  • @onewhittaichi3633
    @onewhittaichi3633 10 місяців тому +2

    My eyes hurt they are dilating so much. I feel that I am inside the fly on the walls brain that is Brennon's world. ❤

  • @mr.highschoollocksmith6080
    @mr.highschoollocksmith6080 7 місяців тому

    This show NEEDS to be made into a full on TV Show on Amazon Prime. I would gladly pay for that.

  • @StealthMarmot_
    @StealthMarmot_ 6 місяців тому +1

    "Riz has never been this mad."
    Keep in mind that he has faced the being that killed his father and planned to kill all his friends and family.

  • @sonicducktheinoccent
    @sonicducktheinoccent 10 місяців тому +1

    I did the math. Assuming they spend half the time looking for things to kill in the forest, a person following this schedule would get around 460k exp every school month
    so over the course of 2 school years thats 8,262,000 xp
    even if we only take 1/4th of that, thats more than enough to get to level 20

  • @punkinlady1039
    @punkinlady1039 8 місяців тому +2

    I feel like the advantage the Bad Kids have is being seasoned adventurers with practical experience, while the Rat Grinders are just strong with little actual skill or team building strength, and that’s what’s going to make the Grinders lose. Because no number of high levels spells can compensate for the knowledge of when and where to use them

  • @StilltheAp0llyon
    @StilltheAp0llyon 10 місяців тому +18

    Wouldn't this mean that every exterminator in the world is 20th level?

    • @startingfromlevelone9510
      @startingfromlevelone9510 10 місяців тому +8

      Somebody did the math somewhere else in the comments and it was like you’d have to kill 680000 rats to get to 20. I don’t know how many rats real life exterminators kill in their career but I don’t known if it’s that high.

    • @StilltheAp0llyon
      @StilltheAp0llyon 10 місяців тому +5

      @@startingfromlevelone9510 It was a bit of hyperbole, but exterminators, cattle/pig/chicken processors, or anyone that kills animals for a living would be high level by the logic of the Rat Grinders.

    • @nemasisdemarini8339
      @nemasisdemarini8339 6 місяців тому

      @@StilltheAp0llyon I think it would depend on weather or not there's a distinction between animals and monsters, and if that distinction means that animals don't give XP. If neither of those things are true, than yes, people who slaughter animals for a living would eventually become super high level. But their class would probably still just be that of a normal NPC.

  • @zid9611
    @zid9611 9 місяців тому +1

    Id love a game where 1 player sit with them early on. And just say im not going on the adventure with them. Then just hang out for like whole game playing on a phone.
    At points letting them pop in to do things. Like a npc. Then when there at the end they pop back in. Saying they were grinding xp the whole time. And play it off as the DM been keeping track on them on there own.

  • @TheAdamPhilipShow
    @TheAdamPhilipShow 10 місяців тому +2

    This is my favorite comedy season since the coffin run season

  • @alexandreboutaudvalarini5638
    @alexandreboutaudvalarini5638 10 місяців тому

    Just watched "Party Politics" tonight. _Almost_ choked to death laughing.

  • @britishninja
    @britishninja 10 місяців тому +2

    80000 rats at 10 xp a pop
    spread out to a party of 5 (not sure how many there are in rat grinder)
    Easily gets them to Lv14

  • @TheWarChief929
    @TheWarChief929 21 день тому

    This is such a great scene in the overall story!

  • @TiaraBenvenutti
    @TiaraBenvenutti 6 місяців тому

    I remember Brennan talking to Matt Mercer about XP vs Milestone - so this is incredibly on brand lmfao

  • @jessaw8160
    @jessaw8160 10 місяців тому +1

    Leave it to Brennan to have NPCs no-lifing it in the woods, against trash mobs, for power. Hahaha

  • @grey5751
    @grey5751 10 місяців тому +4

    Why would the in-universe explanation not be a personal duty to making sure those monster populations don't grow out of control?

    • @Brasswatchman
      @Brasswatchman 9 місяців тому +4

      A la Goblin Slayer? I dunno, I suspect that something about the woods must be artificial. That many monster spawns doesn't feel natural.

    • @grey5751
      @grey5751 9 місяців тому +1

      @@Brasswatchman I'm afraid I'm not familiar, but you do make a good point.

  • @Sasukefan1230
    @Sasukefan1230 7 місяців тому +1

    Hi comment section from three months ago, I bring plot developments from the future. JACE showed Gorthalax the Rat Grinders' adventure logs...so he faked them. They aren't killing rats, they're killing giant monsters that Jace teleports to the woods and Porter stunlocks...so they're still cheating but it's even worse.

  • @alexleclerc1670
    @alexleclerc1670 10 місяців тому

    We need " it's 3:00 a.m. in a warehouse in LA" merch I NEED IT

  • @azrulashraf00
    @azrulashraf00 10 місяців тому +3

    Brennan wrote this because of the argument he have with Matt and no one can tell me otherwise.

  • @playerjj4304
    @playerjj4304 Місяць тому

    I feel like Brennan watched the "Make love not warcraft" episode of South park and was like "Oh yea, thats gonna be a thing." xD

  • @Sumtinrandom
    @Sumtinrandom 9 місяців тому +2

    Seems the Rat Grinders are just farming xp. Fucking genius. The future is now.

  • @santoast5700
    @santoast5700 8 місяців тому +1

    The bad guy is xp leveling is a future light novel

  • @skipmage
    @skipmage 10 місяців тому +3

    A rat is 10 xp (wtf: seriously 5E makes no sense.)
    Assuming that other similar level enemies give similar xp we are sitting at 800,000xp
    In previous editions the party would cap out around level 6, as cr1/4 would stop providing xp after this.
    But... I cannot find any similar ruling in 5E.
    So, assuming a party of four these guys are level 16.

  • @imedgy1316
    @imedgy1316 8 місяців тому

    I think a really neat campaign setting would be something akin to “oh these adventurers are trophy hunters by necessity” considering that monsters can be a finite resource so, you have to fight other low levelled parties in order to fight a larger monster.

  • @ConcaCon
    @ConcaCon 27 днів тому

    "And on this episode's segment of Contested Roll..."

  • @mitcharlotte672
    @mitcharlotte672 10 місяців тому +9

    Imagine they are in no way involved to the villain(s) perse, but just really annoying people lol

    • @startingfromlevelone9510
      @startingfromlevelone9510 10 місяців тому +3

      It seems like it might have been what Brandon was potentially suggesting but he could have also just been trying to throw them off

  • @DeinosDinos
    @DeinosDinos 2 місяці тому

    I don't know if anyone has already pointed this out, but I fully picture Matt Mercer thinking he landed a zinger in 'you're not a tyrant, you're just not paying attention.' And Brennan's fully there being 'I'll show you not paying attention....' Probably not why, but still very funny to think about.

  • @johnnyb368
    @johnnyb368 10 місяців тому +6

    GIIRRRLLLLYYYYY!

  • @R4GEing
    @R4GEing 10 місяців тому +4

    I heard Twink goblins, and that is more interesting than twig goblins

    • @Brasswatchman
      @Brasswatchman 9 місяців тому +1

      Riz would be highly insulted, I suspect.

  • @seancallaghan54
    @seancallaghan54 8 місяців тому

    Black market shop idea (or regular market depending on towns morals) for XP boosters where players walk in and they see a bunch of higher powered creatures in cages/containers barely alive with 1-2 HP with status effects to make them even weaker. Buyers can purchase the final hit to gain XP and rewards with 99% of the work done already. Rich kids getting super strong as parents pay for safe leveling. The under belly backroom of the market is just workers continuously damaging the stock to prevent them from healing enough to ever fight back and harvesting of the recently dead for materials. Essentially let people pay to butcher an animal and harvest the materials so just a slaughter house for rare animals

  • @TriscuitsForDays
    @TriscuitsForDays 8 місяців тому

    Such a funny moment in the episode

  • @Valiguss
    @Valiguss 5 місяців тому

    You know what the best way to actually power level is crab fishing I did the math and you could have everyone in a 4 man party level 20 in less than a month

  • @austinparker87
    @austinparker87 10 місяців тому

    Emily and Murph’s relationship is exactly the kind of love I strive for ❤
    Edit: I also did the math and if every monster is roughly 10xp, and they’ve killed 80,000 of them, that’s 800,000xp. Which would bring them to roughly level 15 (or level 14, and 3400xp from level 15) so about 1.5x the level of our beloved heroes ❤😂

  • @Sogazu
    @Sogazu 10 місяців тому +1

    But at the same time, at the end of the day, stats are stats and spells, feats and abilities you have learned via leveling still persist. We already have seen -only the partial side of it- what rat grinders are capable of. eg. 35 check, Jace being the best seller etc.
    I’m quite curious how Brennan would play this out. Sick stat means better rolls and better rolls mean better outcomes. In order for him to send out the obvious message here, shouldn’t he deliberately make bad decisions on the actual combat?

  • @10101001100111001011
    @10101001100111001011 10 місяців тому

    For a moment thought they were gonna fight the Xp to lvl 3 guys, oh well, maybe next time

  • @KingDoomfist
    @KingDoomfist 9 місяців тому

    I just commented "genius" on another rpg video, but jfc... that is GENIUS.

  • @Ryans_tryin
    @Ryans_tryin 5 місяців тому

    anyone who references a 2 foot big spider and classifies it as "not gigantic" is not allowed to take watch at night

  • @קוראי
    @קוראי 3 місяці тому

    solace campaign setting when

  • @lastnamefirstname8655
    @lastnamefirstname8655 10 місяців тому

    nice clip!

  • @peter_parkour
    @peter_parkour 4 місяці тому +1

    I understand Riz cause I also get so mad when I learn other kids cheat with their projects and get high grades for it cause it defeats the purpose. I get so mad.