I must say...for so early in the morning as I watch your videos, I'm quite impressed with how well I can understand your explanations! Thank you for explaining so clearly and concisely.
EXCELLENT! Thanks for the color wheel, it's great to have one on my computer. I will continue to enjoy your videos. Thanks so much for taking the time to help educate the public! As a retired teacher, I applaud your contribution.
thank you! I know its 2 years later, but I just found you and I'm eating up all of your information! It's important for moms of 5 who don't see art school in their near future...THANKS SCOTT!
apparently one of my lovely sons changed my name to theirs....just for clarification, Andre is not the mom....but now you can understand a little more how much your condensed, clear, lessons are important for my mommy times.(gretchen-the-mom)
If mixing within the same primary-to-primary-third of the circle gives you no decrease in saturation but mixing between different thirds does, wouldn't it be more accurate to represent colors in a triangle with the primary colors as its vertices and all the saturated ones on the edges?
omg it makes everything click.. Subtractive colors are taking away all light and letting out only one. So if you mix two subtractive primary colors (red + yellow) you get orange. Red is red because it takes away green+blue (RGB additive model). Yellow is yellow because it's composed of red+blue (RGB additive) and takes away green. So adding RED+YELLOW subtractively you are essentially taking away little bit of blue and saturating red. So overall saturation levels are maintained. BUT if you mix RED+GREEN paints/substractive... then in additive model you get Red= -green - blue, Green= - red - blue... so you are taking away red in equal amounts, but not saturating other color unlike before. where we took away blue but added more red.
Great tutorials, thanks so much. Although you are actually talking about the CMY system, I wonder why you don't use the pigment reference numbers rather than colour names of paints? Manufacturers use different mixes of pigments for some colours, so say two Ultramarines may actually be different colours.
Excellent work Scott. I'm in the middle of my colour education programme & really appreciate your take on Cyan & Magenta, I'll be doing some playing for myself making charts & the like. Before doing this I'm also keen to know what you consider to be a true yellow. From other materials I've been guided on a Yellow/green bias = Lemon Yellow & a Yellow/Orange bias = Cadmium Yellow BUT these once again fall into the colour bias group, whats your take on this?
DavetheIV as you have undoubtedly discovered by now it's a RYB Primary Hue Theory involving real biased pigments and CYM is not going to satisfy the theory any more than any other 3 chosen tubes of paint.
what lighting do you have Scott? I am getting Velux windows put into my high ceiling studio (converted barn) Any suggestions on how to decide what lighting to buy for the close-up work? Thank you for all your great vids x
Great tutorials Scott - wish I had known about you and your work before I was in Scotland last June as I would have loved to check out your work in person!
I hope I'm not being stupid, but this wheel is all about desaturation, right? How did you produce the desaturated colours on the inner ring - was there a regulated method for it? What are darker colours - dark reds etc? Or is that in a later video? Sorry to be dense...
The colour wheel shows hues of roughly equal value. Brown is merely desaturated yellow or orange or red. Deep brown is simply a darker value than the desaturated orange on the wheel. Brown would be shown if the black was used for desaturation instead of grey (i.e. if black were in the centre). This colour wheel is only concerned with Hue, not value. Brown is there, however we refer to it as a sandy colour when it lightens. I've seen some colour wheels add circles outside to show the lowering of values, but I feel it complicates things. Thanks for the comment, it's a valid point I may address in a new series I'm working on.
Scott, thank you for the video and for the color wheel (I sent in a donation....smile). I am trying to match my colors to the color wheel before I start to make one for myself (for better understanding in the doing). One of the greens on the right you mentioned it was" a mid-green or Meridian Green". Do you have any other name that you could name because Dick Blick does not carry that. Same for Magenta. Please suggest a color for that spot on your color wheel. Many thanks!!! Roena
You say to "KNOW THE TRUTH" so, here it is... The "primaries" of the Visible Spectrum are NOT PRIMARY because light waves do not mix. The conflation of "mixing" is in Biology. Because of the way our biology works we find that Spectrum RGB are PRIMARY IN LIGHT for us... Because of the way our biology/light reflectance/physical matter pigments work, we find that Spectrum RYB is PRIMARY IN PAINT. Because we have no perfect pigments we find that each is influenced by all 3 primary's but the ones we would put out as starting primary's on the outermost part of the wheel are high value/chroma of a particular RYB dominance or a particular dominance of 2 of the 3. We know that every pigment has a MAJOR (as in a dominating second primary HUE between the other two) bias towards another primary other that what PRIMARY SPECTRUM HUE it tends to be. We know that every time we mix pigments we get a better and less desaturated Value/chroma if we mix them towards the primary bias and a lesser high saturation when we mix the other way because we have introduced more influence of the third primary where it once had a lesser influence and we know what happens when we mix all 3 of them together. We know that any pigmented HUE used to represent RYB is an imperfect example for everyone but necessary for the purposes of Basic Elementary Theory Instruction and the closer to Middle Neutral Spectrum Hue the example is, the easier it is to teach it and the brighter the better because that's what the kids like. We know that a SPLIT PRIMARY SYSTEM is even more accurate and necessary to the instruction in higher education. We know that we need the highest Value/Chroma pigments in each of the Major Primary and Secondary and Tertiary positions to make the most Hue's possible for us in the Color Spectrum (both real and imaginary). We also know that the Transparent CYM choices of pigments is the CHOICE OF MIXING PRIMARIES for the PRINTING INDUSTRY and for those who choose them to be their "firsts". This is the ONLY WAY C&M become primary. Again: What is "primary" to human biology is RGB in Light and RYB in pigment. We also know that your color wheel and theory Model makes the teaching of Color Theory in pigments even more confusing and inaccurate over the Standard Model. You are actually causing confusion with your conflations. Only ONE SECONDARY OF LIGHT has become NECESSITY to become PRIMARY IN PIGMENT...not all 3 of lights Secondaries of OUR RGB VISION. You probably should not be feeding "tidbits" of GLAZING PROPERTIES to these kids when you are teaching standard paint pigment theory. The two are not exactly the same as light plays a more prominent role in glazing over white back grounds. I wonder how many kids walked away from this thinking that they could simply glaze over anything and achieve CRL. I like your work but not your theory. We are still bound by the Laws of Physics and the Laws of Biology-even when our brains see otherwise when it can't quite properly decipher unmixed light in the intermediary Red to Violet (purple) range. But we see what we see and it is useful and necessary for us but by no means does it make "magenta" and cyan primary in Theory.
Primaries are arbitrary anchor points. The CMYK Colour Wheel allows a larger range of colours to be mixed from these 3 colours than RGB. So, whichever colour wheel is used, it is only a road map to follow to get to a desired result.
I must say...for so early in the morning as I watch your videos, I'm quite impressed with how well I can understand your explanations! Thank you for explaining so clearly and concisely.
I’ve never heard/ seen such a great explanation of how to interpret the color wheel & use it for mixing. Much appreciated!
EXCELLENT! Thanks for the color wheel, it's great to have one on my computer. I will continue to enjoy your videos. Thanks so much for taking the time to help educate the public! As a retired teacher, I applaud your contribution.
This is simply facinating...Your explanation is so simply, but also very comlplete, I loved this couple of videos
I can't praise you enough for these wonderful tutorials.
thank you! I know its 2 years later, but I just found you and I'm eating up all of your information! It's important for moms of 5 who don't see art school in their near future...THANKS SCOTT!
apparently one of my lovely sons changed my name to theirs....just for clarification, Andre is not the mom....but now you can understand a little more how much your condensed, clear, lessons are important for my mommy times.(gretchen-the-mom)
If mixing within the same primary-to-primary-third of the circle gives you no decrease in saturation but mixing between different thirds does, wouldn't it be more accurate to represent colors in a triangle with the primary colors as its vertices and all the saturated ones on the edges?
Your colour theory course is by far the best I ever seen. Great work!
olufsen73 Try Alphonso Dunn Color Theory Explanation.
omg it makes everything click.. Subtractive colors are taking away all light and letting out only one. So if you mix two subtractive primary colors (red + yellow) you get orange. Red is red because it takes away green+blue (RGB additive model). Yellow is yellow because it's composed of red+blue (RGB additive) and takes away green. So adding RED+YELLOW subtractively you are essentially taking away little bit of blue and saturating red. So overall saturation levels are maintained. BUT if you mix RED+GREEN paints/substractive... then in additive model you get Red= -green - blue, Green= - red - blue... so you are taking away red in equal amounts, but not saturating other color unlike before. where we took away blue but added more red.
Everything I thought I Knew...gone down the toilet..sigh..I love your videos...so exciting to learn something new.
Great tutorials, thanks so much. Although you are actually talking about the CMY system, I wonder why you don't use the pigment reference numbers rather than colour names of paints? Manufacturers use different mixes of pigments for some colours, so say two Ultramarines may actually be different colours.
Because people use the names more than the reference numbers.
Oh yes, I’ll try your method. I’m open to modern ideas. Especially if it cuts down on the number of colours I have to invest in.
thank you for these series of color theory
don't know if he mentions this, but printing on photo paper would help keep the colors bright and on the surface.
Excellent work Scott. I'm in the middle of my colour education programme & really appreciate your take on Cyan & Magenta, I'll be doing some playing for myself making charts & the like. Before doing this I'm also keen to know what you consider to be a true yellow. From other materials I've been guided on a Yellow/green bias = Lemon Yellow & a Yellow/Orange bias = Cadmium Yellow BUT these once again fall into the colour bias group, whats your take on this?
DavetheIV as you have undoubtedly discovered by now it's a RYB Primary Hue Theory involving real biased pigments and CYM is not going to satisfy the theory any more than any other 3 chosen tubes of paint.
what lighting do you have Scott? I am getting Velux windows put into my high ceiling studio (converted barn) Any suggestions on how to decide what lighting to buy for the close-up work? Thank you for all your great vids x
Great tutorials Scott - wish I had known about you and your work before I was in Scotland last June as I would have loved to check out your work in person!
Thank you so very much for sharing what you know!! I am trying to teach myself.. and I needed you!!
so if you mix blue and yellow, you should get desaturated blue, or desaturated yellow right? so if i do it, why does it end up green?
Thank you so much for your explanations. Appreciate it a lot!
Excellent! Thank you for not keeping this to yourself :)
Thank you for this!
Genious and fascinating!!
I hope I'm not being stupid, but this wheel is all about desaturation, right? How did you produce the desaturated colours on the inner ring - was there a regulated method for it? What are darker colours - dark reds etc? Or is that in a later video? Sorry to be dense...
thank you very much for your video, you deserve more views in your videos!
Nope, I don't understand. When I mix red and green I get brown. I can't see brown anywhere on your colour wheel. (deep brown).
The colour wheel shows hues of roughly equal value. Brown is merely desaturated yellow or orange or red. Deep brown is simply a darker value than the desaturated orange on the wheel. Brown would be shown if the black was used for desaturation instead of grey (i.e. if black were in the centre). This colour wheel is only concerned with Hue, not value. Brown is there, however we refer to it as a sandy colour when it lightens. I've seen some colour wheels add circles outside to show the lowering of values, but I feel it complicates things. Thanks for the comment, it's a valid point I may address in a new series I'm working on.
awesome video
THIS BLEW MY MIND!
Your colour wheel in incomplete.
There are a lack of colours.
Where's cyan?
Where's pytaya? (Orange+pink)
Where's pink?
Where's magenta?
Excellent
Scott, thank you for the video and for the color wheel (I sent in a donation....smile). I am trying to match my colors to the color wheel before I start to make one for myself (for better understanding in the doing). One of the greens on the right you mentioned it was" a mid-green or Meridian Green". Do you have any other name that you could name because Dick Blick does not carry that. Same for Magenta. Please suggest a color for that spot on your color wheel. Many thanks!!! Roena
Thanks pal for sharing!
Excellent thank you.
Great, thanks!
I love this!
***** How many colours do you use in a typical landscape?
keep up the good work :)
Thinking of suing my former art school.
You say to "KNOW THE TRUTH" so, here it is...
The "primaries" of the Visible Spectrum are NOT PRIMARY because light waves do not mix. The conflation of "mixing" is in Biology.
Because of the way our biology works we find that Spectrum RGB are PRIMARY IN LIGHT for us...
Because of the way our biology/light reflectance/physical matter pigments work, we find that Spectrum RYB is PRIMARY IN PAINT.
Because we have no perfect pigments we find that each is influenced by all 3 primary's but the ones we would put out as starting primary's on the outermost part of the wheel are high value/chroma of a particular RYB dominance or a particular dominance of 2 of the 3.
We know that every pigment has a MAJOR (as in a dominating second primary HUE between the other two) bias towards another primary other that what PRIMARY SPECTRUM HUE it tends to be.
We know that every time we mix pigments we get a better and less desaturated Value/chroma if we mix them towards the primary bias and a lesser high saturation when we mix the other way because we have introduced more influence of the third primary where it once had a lesser influence and we know what happens when we mix all 3 of them together.
We know that any pigmented HUE used to represent RYB is an imperfect example for everyone but necessary for the purposes of Basic Elementary Theory Instruction and the closer to Middle Neutral Spectrum Hue the example is, the easier it is to teach it and the brighter the better because that's what the kids like.
We know that a SPLIT PRIMARY SYSTEM is even more accurate and necessary to the instruction in higher education. We know that we need the highest Value/Chroma pigments in each of the Major Primary and Secondary and Tertiary positions to make the most Hue's possible for us in the Color Spectrum (both real and imaginary).
We also know that the Transparent CYM choices of pigments is the CHOICE OF MIXING PRIMARIES for the PRINTING INDUSTRY and for those who choose them to be their "firsts". This is the ONLY WAY C&M become primary. Again: What is "primary" to human biology is RGB in Light and RYB in pigment.
We also know that your color wheel and theory Model makes the teaching of Color Theory in pigments even more confusing and inaccurate over the Standard Model. You are actually causing confusion with your conflations. Only ONE SECONDARY OF LIGHT has become NECESSITY to become PRIMARY IN PIGMENT...not all 3 of lights Secondaries of OUR RGB VISION. You probably should not be feeding "tidbits" of GLAZING PROPERTIES to these kids when you are teaching standard paint pigment theory. The two are not exactly the same as light plays a more prominent role in glazing over white back grounds. I wonder how many kids walked away from this thinking that they could simply glaze over anything and achieve CRL.
I like your work but not your theory. We are still bound by the Laws of Physics and the Laws of Biology-even when our brains see otherwise when it can't quite properly decipher unmixed light in the intermediary Red to Violet (purple) range. But we see what we see and it is useful and necessary for us but by no means does it make "magenta" and cyan primary in Theory.
Primaries are arbitrary anchor points. The CMYK Colour Wheel allows a larger range of colours to be mixed from these 3 colours than RGB. So, whichever colour wheel is used, it is only a road map to follow to get to a desired result.
NOTHING , SPECIAL.WE KNOW THAT ONE 100 YEARS AGO ...
Damn you're OLD!
55sarajevo That's right. Artists have known about these pigments for a very long time and they still did not negate RYB pigment theory.
Ah, the famous "we" guy with the frog in his pocket....
Thank you !!!!!!