The Atheist Experience 892 with Matt Dillahunty and Martin Wagner
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- The Atheist Experience 892 for November 16, 2014 with Matt Dillahunty and Martin Wagner.
Matt and Martin chat about rattlesnakes and the Satanic Children’s Big Book of Activities.
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
01:06 - Intro & Announcements - Matt Dillahunty
01:52- Don Baker on Failures of Christianity 27: Slavery
15:51- Mike (New York, NY): the impact of slavery on Christianity in Jamaica, the unbelievability of theistic claims
21:36- Seth (theist from episode 834, 837 and 839, 'Idaho'): atheistic justification for morality, in a materialistic universe there can be no laws, would prefer to speak to Don
53:31- Brittany (Reading, PA): humans roaming the Earth with dinosaurs, asks for book recommendation on historicity of the Bible
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Poor Brandon couldn't answer the question if he wanted to. It wasn't part of his script.
It never ceases to amaze me the number of times people try to restate the watchmaker argument as if it's a new argument.
the SHOW TIME-STAMPS listed are from episode 891. Not this episode.
If a caller wants to make a point, but starts asking questions, they should be stopped and told to give their best argument. Questions can follow.
~ Martin and Matt five years later still fresh and worth a listen. The callers not so much... Thanks to the TAE. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
Re Brandon's call, I think it would be easier to acknowledge that "design" does not have to involve intelligence or intent; that there is "unintelligent design" -- exemplified by natural selection. That is the beauty of Darwin's theory -- design without a designer.
This is the longest and dumbest watchmakers argument.
And we *watched* him *make* it.
Or try to.
Lmao "POOP IS MIRACULOUS!" Gotta love Matt!!!
I just absolutely love this show!!!!!
Poop is miraculous. Poop is god. In the end everything is Poop. Let's all sing the Poop song.
I find it hilarious that Brandon lives in 'Round Rock' given how that call went
Actually, engineers designing the shape of wings for airplanes often use an optimization process that is very similar to natural evolution (called evolutionary/genetic algorithms).
We based our design on bird’s wings but that doesn’t mean that the their wings were designed.
@@cfreinheimer I agree! This just demonstrates that natural evolution works automatically without the need for a designer. And it works not just in nature, but can even be implemented in computers as an optimization algorithm. Nowadays engineers often exploit it for design optimization, because it‘s a good method for approaching a global optimum in complicated landscapes with many local „false“ optima that present a big problem for classical optimization algorithms.
Brandon hurt my brain
this guy isn't normal
take a chill pill man , smoke a joint and chill the f out
Some reptiles 100's of millions ago increased their metabolism so at to minimize the time they had to bask in the sun to warm up, and eventually became warm-blooded. Each degree or even each fraction of a degree was an evolutionary advantage. Some of these developed hollow bones which allowed additional absorption of oxygen, eventually leading to a "flow-thru" style of breathing much more efficient than humans'. And in order to hold in the heat, developed insulation in the form of feathers.
These reptiles became so much different that we call these dinosaurs. Some feathers shifted from being fuzzy (down) and grew flat, which allowed for such things as colorful markings for sexual selection.
While having cold-blooded reptiles sit on their eggs would not benefit the eggs, having warm-blooded dinosaur bodies do so is an advance. Some of the these flat feathers on the arms grew longer and reached back, making a better covering for the eggs. Thus wings evolved before flight and any increase in the length of the feathers was good.
Having wings on flightless animals was advantage in other respects. Flightless ostriches for example, use their wings to make turns faster. Using the wings to help maintain balance while straddling prey also in an advantage.
And short wings allow running bipeds to provide a bit of lift, making a faster runner. Ditto for jumping, which eventually led to gliding. It only takes a little bit of change to go from a very efficient glider to an awkward flyer but once a species begins to fly a little, evolution can increase the efficiency in tiny steps.
And the hollow bones and efficient breathing system becomes a real advantage to animals that fly, even though neither was designed by evolution for that purpose originally.
Roughly around 35:00....i'd say "and that is why i give a shit about poop!'. xD
Ironic that Brandon started his call asserting that it was only right to agree if the evidence pointed to a conclusion, even if you disagree with that conclusion previously. What a waste of time and effort he was
So god designed cancer. Great.
Trisha Yamada if there was a god. He either designed cancer on purpose, or he made a big mistake when designing DNA which will occasionally rapidly mutant and form cancerous cells.
Either way it doesn’t look good for the god.
He also gave us covid19.
The "Gregorian" calendar is really the Julian calendar. Pope Gregory was just the guy that adjusted the days on the calendar to make it better align with the actual days. That's it. Its still the same calendar Julius Caesar developed in 46 BCE.
I have a coffee mug full of pencils on my desk. Soooo......, is its purpose pencil containment?
There's nothing worse than uncontained pencils flying around the room.
31:50 --- Bird intended function : being dead! Lmao
Dave's mom's belief was threatened by a twelve year old.
an ostrich has wings....can it fly? no. a bumblebee is aerodynamically absurd....yet it flies. An airplane wing on its own is for all intents & purposes, could be a shelf.
This was the first thing I thought of when he started describing a bird and why it was designed. Sounds like the ostrich meets the designed quality in many ways. Guess God just wanted a laugh and created flightless birds.
Time stamps say Don segment. No Don. Failed to include a Failure segment.
New, Improved, specially designed Poop!
Well done, Martin and Matt!
There are no wild animals that have wheels for landing.
There are no wild animals that use petrol as a source of fuel.
So what is the point he is making ?
If you find a wing and a metal wing. Well did you find the mammal, insect said natural wing is/was attached to? If I found just a wing, I’d not know what it was capable of doing. And how often do giant pieces of metal turn up? Even in the early copper age they had to melt ore for copper, then for iron etc.
Jesus, the lengths theists go to to prove the existence of their God (like Brandon). Blah blah blah for over 20 minutes and it's just the Watchmaker's argument in a different form. If the existence of this being was so evident and believable, why do they always have to engage in tortured arguments or the twisting of words and logic to support their conclusion?
If we only have verification that scares me to how narrow that could be..
What the hell is up with the timestamps?
Brandon believes everything is designed.
Really ? Any exceptions ? Think carefully before you answer Brandon !
You just need one undersigned thing to destroy your opening claim.
Just one. And that's the snag. And what is that ONE ?
"UNDER-DESIGNED" I think that is the term you needed in your comment?
@@Multi1628 Think it's un-designed, like not designed (god.)
Under-designed sounds more like Incompetent Design.
Poop might be, indeed, the purpose of the creator. The answer to the meaning of life. Why are we here? To make some doodies.
4:27 - Was it the biblical talking snake...???
Many Americans value constitutional rights...
Freedom of expression. Freedom of -religion- Christianity...
This "you" who is walking along the beach. The person citing watchmaker wants you to lack knowledge of watches. And, presumably, any tech. But how much DO we know? Are we wearing clothing? How much about "made things" do we know? Or not know? The arguer fails to specify adequately. Or even grasp for themself. And, as precepts, these are critical to the outcome.
Are we also presupposing ignorance of reasoning tools along with lack of other human advancement? The person using the argument is both applying some, yet ignorant of others.
It's rather ironic. "Which, of the thinking tools I possess, but you, the person using Paley's argument may not, do _you expect me_ to exclude from Beachwalker's tool set?"
Which, of the things I know but you don't, are you asking me to exclude from the awareness held by this character you're proposing?
Everything is designed. We can tell that by determining its function and concluding, since it fills that function, that it was designed to do so.
Objects whose function we can't determine? Probably still have one. And don't obviate the -theory- wild ass guess.
*_Everything is designed_* And your evidence is? "Oh, look at the trees..."
Can you give an example of something that's not designed? If you can't, how could you possibly come to that conclusion? How could you possibly assess what is what when your sample quantity for one option is zero? You CAN'T!
Grow up! There has never been a monster under your bed nor are there any gods.
so, based on the theory that logic tells us what physical shapes do what best, what is the best shape for intersteller space ships. It should be a simple matter of logic. Oh, except it isn't.
TheFrownyclown exactly. And one wing, like one bird wing does not explain or show what it does. You need the entire creature. If I found one wing, I’d think it was useless; maybe good for fertilizer or barbecuing.
Matt looks like he needs a vacation lol.
... god designed stretched 737's :0)
Do birds fly........
Why do theists take so many words ….
Designed revelation ..
I was born in the year 0AD (After DarkScot)