This is the main reason why I truly believe I can never be converted, EVEN if I hear and see god. As soon as the experience is over, I will ask myself how could I be sure that just happened? How can I be sure that was real? Unless I have video evidence or other witnesses, I will likely consider it a strange hallucination and itd be done with.
The other day, moments before I woke up to the sounds of sawing a tree outside my window, in my dream I confidently understood some supernatural concept of sawing. But when I woke up, I couldn't even roughly formulate it. I came to the conclusion that in the dream, as usual, there was no clear concept, but only my firm confidence in its presence and harmony. Usually, I feel positive emotions in a dream precisely because of a clear sense of meaning and importance of any dream events, no matter how banal or meaningless they are.
I had experiences like this when I was young, they ended when I no longer lived in the abusive christian parental situation. I later grew to believe it was the constant stress created by the abusive christian psychos who had power over me. I broke free from them when I was 18. I didn't get over the religious trauma until years later.
Theistic reasoning...there are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on all the beaches of the world....but there's only one star with life on it, just so that the Hebrew war god could pull off a plan to rescue a minority of earth humans from the consequences of his own hatred.
dont know if anyone gives a shit but if you're bored like me atm then you can stream all of the latest series on InstaFlixxer. Have been watching with my brother during the lockdown :)
Sleep paralysis is awful, especially if the victim has claustrophobia or cleithrophobia, at least the first time. It's like being asleep and waking up in a coffin for me because there's is no significant room to move or escape. At first I thought I died in my sleep because I couldn't move, then I thought, “wait I can't be dead if I can think I’m dead.” My lack of belief in life after death helped me reason myself to wake up. I am thankful that my first sleep paralysis was after I became an atheist and no longer believed I can think after death. Irrationally, now I have the fear that there could be a life after death and it terrifies me occasionally (probably from former Mormon indoctrination from birth). I prefer permanent oblivion to being trapped while unable to move for even a short time. I think, “holy cow, what if hell is being locked in a coffin, awake for eternity?” That is not why I’m atheist, but atheism helps me cope with claustrophobia and stupid ideas in relation to death. For my peace of mind while I’m alive, I have provided for my cremation, and that my ashes not be buried but rather scattered somewhere. I absolutely know it is irrational, but it helps me while I’m alive. My wife gets mad at me for hating MRIs. She thinks that shaming me works, but claustrophobia is already irrational. My irrationality is so strong when it comes to claustrophobia, because the thoughts in my mind are based on real things I know are possible, such as the poor kid several years ago stuck in a pipe for I believe three days.
~ Everything that even brushes up against religion is somehow spoiled - four years later, thank you, Tracie and Matt, in 2019, for continually pointing out this obvious fact. BTW, Re: Brampton: Ontario is a province (state), of the country of Canada. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
I experience sleep paralysis since I was a kid, I've never thought it's supernatural and I always knew that I am just still asleep while im aware im not, terrifying as it may be, when you know its just your brain trying to make sense of this state, you calm down
Argument against intelligent design imho is that its an insane amount of work. To design everything in the universe … and to keep on designing new species all the time. Natural processjust seems more effective. Specially since the great man in the sky also needs to closely monitor me and the rest of us every second of our lifes.
The question Tracy is asking about why should you form an opinion about an experience you can explain is simply boils down to ego people really want to believe things that are kind of out there and they want to believe in spiritual experiences and it’s their ego that lets them believe in it you really have to have the type of reasoning and humility that Tracy has
Not kidding, twice I’ve had sleep paralysis and was raped in the hallucination. It took me a few minutes to recover, and I had to think if it really happened.
So, you go to heaven with your family. Your spouse is someone else's family. Your kids, are by definition your family. Only one of you gets the kids. Apparently going to heaven is like getting a divorce.
Dude, I'm so with you on this. Christians love to make stuff up without ever thinking it through. I mean, how is "family" defined? I raised two children; they aren't mine by blood...which heaven do they go to? Do they get a choice in the matter? Does their age at time of death play a role in which heaven they go to? Would I as a 38 year old man be made to spend eternity with my parents since I am their child?
wrong Matt. the premise of intelligent design is that even the smallest and seemingly simple things are actually very complex and thus attributable to an intelligent (super smart) designer a.k.a. god.
Intelligent design applies to a finished product. So, if a designer did go to work on life here, he was happy, quit, and went home after making cooperative self propagating tiny cells. Those microscopics were the finished product. It took millions of years of evolution to reach our stage of sophistication. We come from the non-designed agonizing slow process. If he wanted us, he'd have made us. By the way, if god were interested in tweeking humanity, much later, in Noah's time, he'd tweek our DNA, his quickest fix for errant behavior., or sloppy genetics. All better in one generation, no flood foolishness required. Silly fiction writers thought up a flood, two-by-two animal nonsense.
Calvin: Do you think tigers go to the same heaven that people go to? I mean, in heaven, everyone is supposed to be happy, right? But people wouldn't be happy if they were always in danger of being eaten by tigers! On the other hand, heaven wouldn't be very nice without tigers, either. I wouldn't be happy if there weren't any tigers. I'd miss them. Maybe tigers just don't eat people in heaven. Hobbes: But then WE wouldn't be happy.
Best Christian rebuttal to Mike’s ex-wife’s pastor would be that all are and remain one family in Christ and these worldly concerns are surpassed in His presence and guidance. It’s just that the “true religion” tends to run in families and therefore probably you’ll incidentally be in heaven with your worldly family.
it's even better when you come out of a nightmare followed by sleep paralysis, followed by waking face down with immobile arms, because slept on them and they went conpletely numb. good 'ol days of youth. used to also get out of body experiences and have trouble falling asleep as sleep terrors plagued me. meanwhile, some idiot god(s) watching on and laughing probably ;)
Her neighbor who was actually mowing his lawn in middle of the night is sighing in relief while watching this.
22:28 First caller
Damn. I saw this comment around 21:30.
Thanks! You're doing the lord's work!
@@Graylord88 Yours? :P
Woosh
Thank you!
I experienced sleep paralysis once , it was horrible experience. Can't believe some people experience it often .
@velkylev4217 Sometimes I can experience it 3 times a night. That thing is horrible
@@johnaart I think sleeping on belly or on side helps , I think it only happens when sleeping on back , is it true ?
Proof of god, our ears and nose are the perfect height for wearing glasses. Checkmate atheists.
This is the main reason why I truly believe I can never be converted, EVEN if I hear and see god. As soon as the experience is over, I will ask myself how could I be sure that just happened? How can I be sure that was real? Unless I have video evidence or other witnesses, I will likely consider it a strange hallucination and itd be done with.
Oh the humanity!
The other day, moments before I woke up to the sounds of sawing a tree outside my window, in my dream I confidently understood some supernatural concept of sawing. But when I woke up, I couldn't even roughly formulate it. I came to the conclusion that in the dream, as usual, there was no clear concept, but only my firm confidence in its presence and harmony. Usually, I feel positive emotions in a dream precisely because of a clear sense of meaning and importance of any dream events, no matter how banal or meaningless they are.
I had experiences like this when I was young, they ended when I no longer lived in the abusive christian parental situation. I later grew to believe it was the constant stress created by the abusive christian psychos who had power over me. I broke free from them when I was 18. I didn't get over the religious trauma until years later.
first 22:38
third 32:42
im lost,
next 44:48
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Theistic reasoning...there are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on all the beaches of the world....but there's only one star with life on it, just so that the Hebrew war god could pull off a plan to rescue a minority of earth humans from the consequences of his own hatred.
And then spend thousands of years trying to get us to stop enjoying the genitals it gave us, lol
dont know if anyone gives a shit but if you're bored like me atm then you can stream all of the latest series on InstaFlixxer. Have been watching with my brother during the lockdown :)
@Scott Elon Yea, have been using InstaFlixxer for since november myself =)
Michael shoulda drawn that preacher a diagram. These circles are the parents...
Sleep paralysis is awful, especially if the victim has claustrophobia or cleithrophobia, at least the first time. It's like being asleep and waking up in a coffin for me because there's is no significant room to move or escape. At first I thought I died in my sleep because I couldn't move, then I thought, “wait I can't be dead if I can think I’m dead.” My lack of belief in life after death helped me reason myself to wake up. I am thankful that my first sleep paralysis was after I became an atheist and no longer believed I can think after death.
Irrationally, now I have the fear that there could be a life after death and it terrifies me occasionally (probably from former Mormon indoctrination from birth). I prefer permanent oblivion to being trapped while unable to move for even a short time. I think, “holy cow, what if hell is being locked in a coffin, awake for eternity?” That is not why I’m atheist, but atheism helps me cope with claustrophobia and stupid ideas in relation to death. For my peace of mind while I’m alive, I have provided for my cremation, and that my ashes not be buried but rather scattered somewhere. I absolutely know it is irrational, but it helps me while I’m alive. My wife gets mad at me for hating MRIs. She thinks that shaming me works, but claustrophobia is already irrational. My irrationality is so strong when it comes to claustrophobia, because the thoughts in my mind are based on real things I know are possible, such as the poor kid several years ago stuck in a pipe for I believe three days.
~ Everything that even brushes up against religion is somehow spoiled - four years later, thank you, Tracie and Matt, in 2019, for continually pointing out this obvious fact. BTW, Re: Brampton: Ontario is a province (state), of the country of Canada.
Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
I experience sleep paralysis since I was a kid, I've never thought it's supernatural and I always knew that I am just still asleep while im aware im not, terrifying as it may be, when you know its just your brain trying to make sense of this state, you calm down
How can God regret making human when he knew the outcome?...If God has regret wouldnt he have avoided the mistake the first time?🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
Argument against intelligent design imho is that its an insane amount of work. To design everything in the universe … and to keep on designing new species all the time. Natural processjust seems more effective. Specially since the great man in the sky also needs to closely monitor me and the rest of us every second of our lifes.
Rick - "I agree" means I am silent when you talk and then continue my script.
Rational analysis at its best from Matt.
Mark - Brampton, Ontario Canada 22:26
"Antagonize, answer, alliterate..."
The question Tracy is asking about why should you form an opinion about an experience you can explain is simply boils down to ego people really want to believe things that are kind of out there and they want to believe in spiritual experiences and it’s their ego that lets them believe in it you really have to have the type of reasoning and humility that Tracy has
Waiting waiting waiting waiting oh...a caller!!! Wow and can I get an amen!
Not kidding, twice I’ve had sleep paralysis and was raped in the hallucination. It took me a few minutes to recover, and I had to think if it really happened.
You have my sympathies. That must have been terrifying.
That sounds horrifying! Hope ur doing ok
So, you go to heaven with your family.
Your spouse is someone else's family.
Your kids, are by definition your family.
Only one of you gets the kids.
Apparently going to heaven is like getting a divorce.
Dude, I'm so with you on this. Christians love to make stuff up without ever thinking it through. I mean, how is "family" defined? I raised two children; they aren't mine by blood...which heaven do they go to? Do they get a choice in the matter? Does their age at time of death play a role in which heaven they go to? Would I as a 38 year old man be made to spend eternity with my parents since I am their child?
What if your spouse went to hell, and you went to heaven? How could you be happy in heaven knowing your spouse wasn't there? Makes no sense.
Mike Bigley did u ever see that one Robin Williams movie about this subject? I wouldn’t recommend it.
wrong Matt. the premise of intelligent design is that even the smallest and seemingly simple things are actually very complex and thus attributable to an intelligent (super smart) designer a.k.a. god.
Intelligent design applies to a finished product. So, if a designer did go to work on life here, he was happy, quit, and went home after making cooperative self propagating tiny cells. Those microscopics were the finished product. It took millions of years of evolution to reach our stage of sophistication. We come from the non-designed agonizing slow process. If he wanted us, he'd have made us. By the way, if god were interested in tweeking humanity, much later, in Noah's time, he'd tweek our DNA, his quickest fix for errant behavior., or sloppy genetics. All better in one generation, no flood foolishness required. Silly fiction writers thought up a flood, two-by-two animal nonsense.
Calvin: Do you think tigers go to the same heaven that people go to? I mean, in heaven, everyone is supposed to be happy, right? But people wouldn't be happy if they were always in danger of being eaten by tigers! On the other hand, heaven wouldn't be very nice without tigers, either. I wouldn't be happy if there weren't any tigers. I'd miss them. Maybe tigers just don't eat people in heaven.
Hobbes: But then WE wouldn't be happy.
And you didn't mention the tiger POV. In "heaven"...but surrounded by steaks you, presumably, shouldn't/can't eat.
Best Christian rebuttal to Mike’s ex-wife’s pastor would be that all are and remain one family in Christ and these worldly concerns are surpassed in His presence and guidance.
It’s just that the “true religion” tends to run in families and therefore probably you’ll incidentally be in heaven with your worldly family.
it's even better when you come out of a nightmare followed by sleep paralysis, followed by waking face down with immobile arms, because slept on them and they went conpletely numb. good 'ol days of youth. used to also get out of body experiences and have trouble falling asleep as sleep terrors plagued me. meanwhile, some idiot god(s) watching on and laughing probably ;)
It's about race, always has been always will be.
And the race goes...to the swiffer
Only one theist? (boring)