Solid opinions man, a lot of people just focus on the context of the story and remove themselves from the situation, so they'll say Griffith was justified because he had no other option, but raping Casca proved he was acting on petty feelings as much as his other emotions. And the biggest thing is, if someone knew a guy like Griffith who screwed them over, they'd never forgive them, that real world aspect is key to making people get it.
Femto /=/ Griffith God Hand states that when you sacrifice something, it's like giving up a part of yourself which is shown with Griffith as well. He can't be held responsible for Femto's actions because that's a different form of him
People are justified in pursuing their ambitions by any means but it doesn't mean you should just forgive a slight against you lol, your logic isn't sound. Something being justified doesn't mean that there should be no retaliation.
The ninth and final circle of hell in Dante's Inferno was reserved for the worst sinners.... it was for Treachery and betrayal towards loved ones and close friends.
You know, you could make a case Thanos was right. But Griffith? Thanos got nothing out of his deal. Matter fact he gave up the power he had. Griffith was purely self driven.
You asume that Griffith sees the band as his friends. He does not. He specifically says to the princess that in order for someone to be his friend first he has to become his equal, to have a dream of his own. The Band of the Hawk was nothing but a tool for him to achieve his goal and he used them till the very end to become a demi god. He did have feelings for them once but he came to the realization that attachment to soldiers that can die in the next battle is foolish and he was right. The only stupid thing he did was sleeping with the princess and in that state he was very depressed. People can say what they want but i personally think that he was very confused how to feel about Guts. He saw him as a friend but the same time as a tool as well. Guts leaving made him feel lonely and isolated again, just a leader among tools. Mind you it was not Guts's fault. I have seen a lot of people claiming that they are morally good but in reality they are just fooling themselves. If they got flayed, tortured for a year, being cripled for life not being able to bathe, use the bathroom by themselves they would want to fix that and death would be the last option. Idk how the Behelith got triggered but the moment the band entered literal Hell they were dead no matter what choice Griffith would have made. I doubt that the God Hand would have returned them back into the real world if Griffith said no. All i see is that Griffith saw the band as a tool because he suffered mentally if he got attached and in order to become a god, he sacrificed a hundred tool soldiers so that all those who died under his flag wouldn't have died for nothing. After he became Femto he truly died as the last humanity in him got extinquished leaving only lust for power and cruelty.
An underrated detail in Berserk: there’s nothing I find more unsettling than Griffith/Femto’s eyes now that he’s a full fledged apostle: you can actually FEEL just how much of a monster and a madman he actually is now that his eyes look more bestial and demonic.
But did he really do anything wrong tho? I mean, he just sacrificed everyone who had fought and bled for him, raped his most devoted soldier and tortured his best friend over his petty feelings, while turning into a demon lord. Idk, seems pretty normal to me.
@@sukuna____goated You are the best troll on here. I am not falling for it. If your best friend kills you and SA's your sister, please make sure your parents write a letter to the judge saying he is not evil and had his "reasons."
@@StarPlatinumVyou see he was bullied once and he had a dream or something so its all good type of shit. These are the same people who fangirl for serial killers.
@@axolotl1777 Exactly! And it's also the reason people keep wanting to become serial killers: MEDIA HYPING THEM UP AND THEM IDOLIZING DEPRAVITY! You are spot on! A top FBI profiler who interviewed serial killers said they all had one thing in common: "They were all losers in real life who lacked courage to face hardship through effort and pain. So, they took short cuts and brought everyone else down, instead of lifting themselves up. Everyone else is to blame." You notice how itachi solos became real quiet. I guess he has nothing to say...
Griffith has every sign of being a narcissist. I don’t mean that in the way anyone gets called that but an actual full on narcissistic psychopath. He never truly saw Guts as a friend but as a took that Griffith owned and could be disposed when needed.
Raping casca was far too much only main reason i can never accept him but sacrificing band of hawk was with his character cause he was the type of person who can sacrifice anyone for his goals even himself
Post-torture Griffith is just an insane broken person, there is no point to talking about betrayal after that. He is basically no longer human. The fact that makes him horrible and unforgivable is what he did when he was on his peak. He just couldn't be happy unless everything went 100% his way at the cost of others. Guts and Casca had to remain his inferiors serving him until their dying breath. Most people show their flaws when pushed to the brink. That can still be unjust, but you could at least somewhat factor in fear and survival instinct clouding their judgement. You know Griffith is truly an evil bastard cause he even showed ugliness to his most loyal friends when he was winning hard.
Griffith definitely did a terrible thing by sacrificing all his friends, but anything after that he can't be held accountable for because becoming an apostle or member of the god hand severely warps your personality and removes almost all your emotions of empathy and compassion
He never considered no one a friend not even guts he told the princess that, the point of the hawk band was to fulfill Griffith's Dream anyway only part I despise is what he did to caska that was just unnecessary He even said to guts that he will die for him at one point (извини због лошег енглеског)
Yeah. Griffith is just not justified, like, man, author even showed us what he is thinking, there is no way. Oh Griffith AND zhe God hand make me extremely angry, but to be honest, in real life, it would trigger the ish out of me, I don't know if I would be angry or scared or mumbling .
I've always thought Griffith's character is more greyscaled than people want him to be honestly, but everyone acts so mad about it. I mean, obviously he's a villain, but band of the hawk followed him blindly so everyone kinda made him believe he was doing the right thing by following his dream. They seemed happy there, he saved them and built a home for the outcasts. Guts left the band bc around that time he wanted to be like Griffith, but Griffith didn't know that, he just saw one of his best friends dump him. Then he was BRUTALLY TORTURED for A YEAR (a lot of people seem to underestimate that fact) and he went completely mad. The sacrifice is an awful scene to see, but so was Griffith's state of mind when they rescue him. After all that, yeah, he changed completely and he's shitty af. I'd never say he did nothing wrong, but people act like he is a complete psychopath from the start and there's enough context in the story to prove that wrong. As I see it the whole Golden Age arc, the most praised in the series, warns us about the tragedy of Griffith. Feel free to correct me if you think i'm wrong.
I do believe that Griffith wasn’t entirely to blame for accepting the Godhand’s offer, the universe literally conspired against him to get him to this point and after all the shit he went through with the king, his judgment was impaired. However, once he had been restored to a godly body, renewing his chance to become a king, he faces full accountability for his horrid actions, like raping Casca, and not telling anyone how he gained his awesome power. A good man would be honest, not hide his crimes through a veil of false light.
have you ever read the manga HOLY LAND, also when it comes to berserk according to notes from the author of the manga which of course is dead, even now berserk is only 1/3 of the way through the story, what is the other 2/3rds? we will probably never know
While I am not too mad at most people that act like Griffith, I am not too happy about it either. I mean I understand that people can decide whether or not they care about others or not so I couldn't really say it's a terrible thing. All I can say is that I think that helping others instead of being selfish could have been a better option for buddy to choose.
@@sukuna____goated you yourself said in another reply that griffith thought the band of the hawk would support his decision to keep following his dream because the god hand conditioned him to honestly bro i don't see how that push into becoming femto really changes much as his mindset was already self destructive when it came to sacrifice which left him traumatised and he was willing to do things like political assassinations for his ambition i also don't think femto is an entirely different person from griffith but rather an exaggerated griffith who can now make any compromise to accomplish his goals after having his inhibitions removed
@@yodarusev yeah I did, that's why he did nothing wrong because only the intent matters in judging the morality otherwise you also need to concede that Guts is a r4p1st and worse than Griffith Femto is a lot different exactly because he's exaggerated
Griffith did nothing wrong!!! Oh except that one thing Oh and maybe the other thing Oh and there’s that thing too Oh ok maybe Griffith is a bit of a bastard
i use to agree HEAVILY however my main argument is that femto and grifith are two different people basically since how can u judge a person before and after becoming an extreme psychopath. He now feels nothing for those who died and what he did to casca cuz he quiet literally has NO HUMANITY. I do not believe grifith would be capable of doing all those acts if he still had his humanity. The way grifith's views his final decision with his humanity is that they already pledged their lives for his dream they said it and meant it so to grifith what difference does it make whether they die in hell or a battlefield. He still creates the Eutopia he promised for those who died before and after the eclipse this was the only way the sacrifices of all those before could mean anything without being wasted. I hate him still dont get me wrong but when you start to view them as two diiferent people it all makes sense, the worst things he did was the moment after he became a monster with literal no humanity, and without that humanity and complexity that's not grifith.
I'm not saying Griffith is innocent, thise who do need to be behind bars in jail, they're not sane, however..... Umi know it sounds bad to say however but Is it wrong? To do something that's very hard to swallow and forgive yet is Exactly what everyone signed up when they joined the band, he stayed true to his philosophy, when he told casca he doesn't feel responsible about the deads, but he feel that he has to commit himself to it if he expects people to give their life for him. He has to win somehow. For guts is fucked up. Guts is one unlucky bastatd and that's the plot, from the day he was born he's cursed by life . None is looking out for him otherwise he wouldn't find himself in such cooked situations
it's the same person he R casca infront of guts because he got validation from the idea of evil god himself , when Griffith asked humbly seeking to serve something bigger than himself "god what do you want me to do?" the idea of evil said "do as you wish for your will is God's will" then Griffith asked for wings, Griffith is the disgusting side of humanity, in his eyes he did nothing wrong and that's what religious groups like the crusades did all the horrible stuff that they did, for to defy them is to defy the word of god, the sad truth is if God did grab a person from earth gave them power and told them "your will is my will do whatever you want" they'd be like Griffith and say "I did nothing wrong".
Seems like you dont understand the point of the Berserk universe. Mayhaps watch it again or listen to some video esseys. Maybe looking up the word determinism could be good as well. Hope this helps!
Solid opinions man, a lot of people just focus on the context of the story and remove themselves from the situation, so they'll say Griffith was justified because he had no other option, but raping Casca proved he was acting on petty feelings as much as his other emotions. And the biggest thing is, if someone knew a guy like Griffith who screwed them over, they'd never forgive them, that real world aspect is key to making people get it.
Femto /=/ Griffith
God Hand states that when you sacrifice something, it's like giving up a part of yourself which is shown with Griffith as well. He can't be held responsible for Femto's actions because that's a different form of him
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People are justified in pursuing their ambitions by any means but it doesn't mean you should just forgive a slight against you lol, your logic isn't sound. Something being justified doesn't mean that there should be no retaliation.
@itachi_solos_boruto drunk drivers cant be held accountable type of shit 🤡
The ninth and final circle of hell in Dante's Inferno was reserved for the worst sinners.... it was for Treachery and betrayal towards loved ones and close friends.
You know, you could make a case Thanos was right. But Griffith? Thanos got nothing out of his deal. Matter fact he gave up the power he had. Griffith was purely self driven.
You asume that Griffith sees the band as his friends. He does not. He specifically says to the princess that in order for someone to be his friend first he has to become his equal, to have a dream of his own. The Band of the Hawk was nothing but a tool for him to achieve his goal and he used them till the very end to become a demi god. He did have feelings for them once but he came to the realization that attachment to soldiers that can die in the next battle is foolish and he was right. The only stupid thing he did was sleeping with the princess and in that state he was very depressed. People can say what they want but i personally think that he was very confused how to feel about Guts. He saw him as a friend but the same time as a tool as well. Guts leaving made him feel lonely and isolated again, just a leader among tools. Mind you it was not Guts's fault.
I have seen a lot of people claiming that they are morally good but in reality they are just fooling themselves. If they got flayed, tortured for a year, being cripled for life not being able to bathe, use the bathroom by themselves they would want to fix that and death would be the last option.
Idk how the Behelith got triggered but the moment the band entered literal Hell they were dead no matter what choice Griffith would have made. I doubt that the God Hand would have returned them back into the real world if Griffith said no.
All i see is that Griffith saw the band as a tool because he suffered mentally if he got attached and in order to become a god, he sacrificed a hundred tool soldiers so that all those who died under his flag wouldn't have died for nothing. After he became Femto he truly died as the last humanity in him got extinquished leaving only lust for power and cruelty.
An underrated detail in Berserk: there’s nothing I find more unsettling than Griffith/Femto’s eyes now that he’s a full fledged apostle: you can actually FEEL just how much of a monster and a madman he actually is now that his eyes look more bestial and demonic.
But did he really do anything wrong tho? I mean, he just sacrificed everyone who had fought and bled for him, raped his most devoted soldier and tortured his best friend over his petty feelings, while turning into a demon lord. Idk, seems pretty normal to me.
Griffith is PURE EVIL! I met people like this in real life. After they screw you, they will take their money and then pretend to live happily.
He's not evil, you just don't understand the story
@@sukuna____goated You are the best troll on here. I am not falling for it. If your best friend kills you and SA's your sister, please make sure your parents write a letter to the judge saying he is not evil and had his "reasons."
@@StarPlatinumVyou see he was bullied once and he had a dream or something so its all good type of shit. These are the same people who fangirl for serial killers.
@@axolotl1777 Exactly! And it's also the reason people keep wanting to become serial killers: MEDIA HYPING THEM UP AND THEM IDOLIZING DEPRAVITY! You are spot on! A top FBI profiler who interviewed serial killers said they all had one thing in common: "They were all losers in real life who lacked courage to face hardship through effort and pain. So, they took short cuts and brought everyone else down, instead of lifting themselves up. Everyone else is to blame." You notice how itachi solos became real quiet. I guess he has nothing to say...
@@sukuna____goated yeah man it,s not like he killed guts,s only family at the time and graped casca and forced him to watch
Griffith has every sign of being a narcissist. I don’t mean that in the way anyone gets called that but an actual full on narcissistic psychopath. He never truly saw Guts as a friend but as a took that Griffith owned and could be disposed when needed.
Raping casca was far too much only main reason i can never accept him but sacrificing band of hawk was with his character cause he was the type of person who can sacrifice anyone for his goals even himself
Griffith would never do that
Femto is a lot different from Griffith but it's a complicated topic
sacrificing the band of the hawk is way worse bro they are literally all in hell
@@yodarusev he thought they would be happy with his decision because that's what the God Hand have told him
@@sukuna____goatedfemto didn't sacrifice them, Griffith did
@@BeeHatGuy and that was a correct decision
Post-torture Griffith is just an insane broken person, there is no point to talking about betrayal after that. He is basically no longer human. The fact that makes him horrible and unforgivable is what he did when he was on his peak. He just couldn't be happy unless everything went 100% his way at the cost of others. Guts and Casca had to remain his inferiors serving him until their dying breath. Most people show their flaws when pushed to the brink. That can still be unjust, but you could at least somewhat factor in fear and survival instinct clouding their judgement. You know Griffith is truly an evil bastard cause he even showed ugliness to his most loyal friends when he was winning hard.
Griffith definitely did a terrible thing by sacrificing all his friends, but anything after that he can't be held accountable for because becoming an apostle or member of the god hand severely warps your personality and removes almost all your emotions of empathy and compassion
who drew this background image this art style looks amazing
Looks incredibly similar to Miura’s artwork, rest in peace.
He never considered no one a friend not even guts he told the princess that, the point of the hawk band was to fulfill Griffith's Dream anyway only part I despise is what he did to caska that was just unnecessary He even said to guts that he will die for him at one point (извини због лошег енглеског)
Yeah. Griffith is just not justified, like, man, author even showed us what he is thinking, there is no way. Oh Griffith AND zhe God hand make me extremely angry, but to be honest, in real life, it would trigger the ish out of me, I don't know if I would be angry or scared or mumbling .
I've always thought Griffith's character is more greyscaled than people want him to be honestly, but everyone acts so mad about it. I mean, obviously he's a villain, but band of the hawk followed him blindly so everyone kinda made him believe he was doing the right thing by following his dream. They seemed happy there, he saved them and built a home for the outcasts. Guts left the band bc around that time he wanted to be like Griffith, but Griffith didn't know that, he just saw one of his best friends dump him. Then he was BRUTALLY TORTURED for A YEAR (a lot of people seem to underestimate that fact) and he went completely mad. The sacrifice is an awful scene to see, but so was Griffith's state of mind when they rescue him. After all that, yeah, he changed completely and he's shitty af.
I'd never say he did nothing wrong, but people act like he is a complete psychopath from the start and there's enough context in the story to prove that wrong. As I see it the whole Golden Age arc, the most praised in the series, warns us about the tragedy of Griffith. Feel free to correct me if you think i'm wrong.
I do believe that Griffith wasn’t entirely to blame for accepting the Godhand’s offer, the universe literally conspired against him to get him to this point and after all the shit he went through with the king, his judgment was impaired. However, once he had been restored to a godly body, renewing his chance to become a king, he faces full accountability for his horrid actions, like raping Casca, and not telling anyone how he gained his awesome power. A good man would be honest, not hide his crimes through a veil of false light.
have you ever read the manga HOLY LAND, also when it comes to berserk according to notes from the author of the manga which of course is dead, even now berserk is only 1/3 of the way through the story, what is the other 2/3rds? we will probably never know
While I am not too mad at most people that act like Griffith, I am not too happy about it either. I mean I understand that people can decide whether or not they care about others or not so I couldn't really say it's a terrible thing. All I can say is that I think that helping others instead of being selfish could have been a better option for buddy to choose.
people only say this as a joke or to bait (and it works most of the time lmao)
No lol
You just can't read Berserk properly
@@sukuna____goated not really bro "griffith did nothing wrong in his head" doesn't equate to his infalliblity
@@yodarusev elaborate
@@sukuna____goated you yourself said in another reply that griffith thought the band of the hawk would support his decision to keep following his dream because the god hand conditioned him to
honestly bro i don't see how that push into becoming femto really changes much as his mindset was already self destructive when it came to sacrifice which left him traumatised and he was willing to do things like political assassinations for his ambition
i also don't think femto is an entirely different person from griffith but rather an exaggerated griffith who can now make any compromise to accomplish his goals after having his inhibitions removed
@@yodarusev yeah I did, that's why he did nothing wrong because only the intent matters in judging the morality
otherwise you also need to concede that Guts is a r4p1st and worse than Griffith
Femto is a lot different exactly because he's exaggerated
Griffith did nothing wrong!!!
Oh except that one thing
Oh and maybe the other thing
Oh and there’s that thing too
Oh ok maybe Griffith is a bit of a bastard
i will not tolerate this slander against my darling angel baby who never did anything wrong in his life /j
I LOL'd watching this. GOOD STUFF!
griffith is terrible but that image of him goes hard af
i think griffith is still cool but he didnt have to do allat💀💀
i use to agree HEAVILY however my main argument is that femto and grifith are two different people basically since how can u judge a person before and after becoming an extreme psychopath. He now feels nothing for those who died and what he did to casca cuz he quiet literally has NO HUMANITY. I do not believe grifith would be capable of doing all those acts if he still had his humanity. The way grifith's views his final decision with his humanity is that they already pledged their lives for his dream they said it and meant it so to grifith what difference does it make whether they die in hell or a battlefield. He still creates the Eutopia he promised for those who died before and after the eclipse this was the only way the sacrifices of all those before could mean anything without being wasted. I hate him still dont get me wrong but when you start to view them as two diiferent people it all makes sense, the worst things he did was the moment after he became a monster with literal no humanity, and without that humanity and complexity that's not grifith.
Based.
Fair enough he was literally reborn
Where do people get the idea that griffith and Femto are two ENTIRELY different people? The idiot tried to SA casca even before the eclipse.
@@joehanson2250he didn't lmao
@@sukuna____goated he sure did
I only say it as a joke
I'm not saying Griffith is innocent, thise who do need to be behind bars in jail, they're not sane, however..... Umi know it sounds bad to say however but Is it wrong? To do something that's very hard to swallow and forgive yet is Exactly what everyone signed up when they joined the band, he stayed true to his philosophy, when he told casca he doesn't feel responsible about the deads, but he feel that he has to commit himself to it if he expects people to give their life for him. He has to win somehow. For guts is fucked up. Guts is one unlucky bastatd and that's the plot, from the day he was born he's cursed by life . None is looking out for him otherwise he wouldn't find himself in such cooked situations
I love the video
ALSO, THE GODHAND WILL BETRAY GRIFFITH!!!!!!!!! JUST WAIT AND SEE!
Donovan vs Giffith 😂
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I think Griffith did do wrongs, but saying somebody needs help over a fictional character is crazy
SEPARATE FEMTO FROM GRIFFITH, THANK YOU
They both have committed incredibly heinous atrocities
@@mickflick8133 Griffith did nothing wrong
it's the same person he R casca infront of guts because he got validation from the idea of evil god himself , when Griffith asked humbly seeking to serve something bigger than himself "god what do you want me to do?" the idea of evil said "do as you wish for your will is God's will" then Griffith asked for wings, Griffith is the disgusting side of humanity, in his eyes he did nothing wrong and that's what religious groups like the crusades did all the horrible stuff that they did, for to defy them is to defy the word of god, the sad truth is if God did grab a person from earth gave them power and told them "your will is my will do whatever you want" they'd be like Griffith and say "I did nothing wrong".
@@mokasm5840 Based Griffith understander
@@mokasm5840 then Griffith has a god complex and he sacrificed his closest friends/comrades, yep seems like a very shady dude
Sounds like you're purely emotional 😂
True
Sounds like you have no moral compass you freaks.
Read the manga again
Seems like you dont understand the point of the Berserk universe. Mayhaps watch it again or listen to some video esseys. Maybe looking up the word determinism could be good as well. Hope this helps!
Brother. You can’t be serious. I’m worried about your sanity.
@@burgeranus5725 Griffith did nothing wrong
@@sukuna____goated itachi has no character development 🤓
@@burgeranus5725 Why would he have one? The way in which character is written doesn't really require any
@@sukuna____goated that’s because kishimoto is a bad writer. He didn’t even add sasuke his editor did.
Actually if you want I can explain to you exactly why Griffith did nothing wrong
go for it big dog
Please I wanna hear that one too XD
@@notmyrealname8445 you ain't talking to your m*ther
@@joehanson2250 ask me your question and I'll explain it
Try.
Maturing is realizing Griffith did nothing wrong because right and wrong doesn’t exist it’s all perspective
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If its all perspective then there's definitely right and wrong you nerd
sounds like something with no moral compass would say
GRIFFITH DID NOTHING WRONG
Nobody asked, Karen