The aluminum frame and the Glockish hump on the back of the grip is enough to turn me off. And that UGLY mag well! No thank you. Great video! I am leaning toward the Live Free Armory Apollo 11. I believe it will be a big hit for less than a grand.
You’ve gotta rack the 1911/2011s so you can get an accurate trigger weight pulling the hammer back isn’t a good overview of the trigger weight. You got to rack it so the disconnector can play a factor in the trigger pull by racking the slide. If you don’t you’ll get a lighter trigger pull which isn’t accurate since that’s not how the gun operates under load/live fire.
It looks like the mag release is a factory SIG mag release. Dimensions of the grip in that area are obviously different. I'd have to take my P320 apart to see if there is enough material to remove and still be able to function. Should be able to reverse it like you can on the P320 for left handed shooters. I agree, it needs a lot more stippling and get rid of those ribs on the face of of the grip module.
So what you are saying is....buy the prodigy and mod it for the same price as the oracle arms 2311? Lol. I'm actually thinking about ordering the OA 2311 compact pro. Now I'm thinking I may wait a while for OA to work out the kinks and/ or aftermarket parts are available.
Howdy Antonio! Santa did show up early but I’m going to send it back and have the elves work on it. Found something that I can’t fix on my own. How’s the Prodigy doing?
@@nobodytraining The Prodigy looks great and gives me a lot of satisfaction, after all the money I spent here in Italy for that gun in America I could have bought John Wick's. I'm sorry you had problems with the 2311, but I think it's something serious knowing your abilities.
Good video thanks. How many parts are NOT compatible w other widebodys (STI, Staccato, S&W, Atlas etc) ? From what you've reported the Oracle doesnt look like a viable option ...
hahahahah I do that at my 25 yarder :D. like that it comes with all the goodies the poordigy didn't. not to turn this into another prodigy vid but do you plan on changing any springs? I had the lighter main spring added shot for about 3k rounds then light primer strike machine. I currently have an extended firing pin out for delivery today hoping that will fix the issue. I also ordered that ATLAS tool-ess guide rod. mine keeps coming loose and wondering if that can cause accuracy problems. just wondering how the firing pin spring held up and if you got that resolved. they need to sell the main spring / firing pin and "extra power spring" as a kit in my opinion. I think my main spring kind of settled in and may have gotten a little lighter maybe. the trigger reset was adjusted but that only helped out a little so I put it back for now. thanks for the vid!
Well those shots definitely would have kept his head down! Lol. How light was the main spring? The 19 I have has been doing great so far. EGW should sell the extra power firing pin with their ignition. It would be a no brainer. As for the 2311 turning into a series, I’m not so sure. I discovered a reason why I need to send it back. Not something I could fix.
Great video. I'm glad they come with optic plates. I wish we could all get together and make two footprints. One for comp optics and a small one for ccw. I see what you're saying about the thumb safeties. And I notice it's got ambi slide lock slide release for the wrong hand people out there. Haven't seen that on a ds 1911. Good looking pistol. How did it shoot?
Commonality would be great for the plates. The slide release is nice for the lefties. I haven’t really shot wrong handed yet with this pistol. 🤣 The 2311 has potential. I just have to get pasted the stuff that bugs me.
@nobodytraining make it your own. I have a feeling you are pretty good at that. I shoot a lot left-handed just in case my right hand gets injured. I suck left🤣🤣
When I saw this pistol I was excited until I realized what it was.... Then I was definitely not interested in it. Stealth arms platypus did a better job of mixing styles. This is a pimped 320 that fails as a 2011. For the price I don't see them succeeding with this pistol.
Good point, I work with a guy that has around 3k rounds through his Platypus. So far, that’s my next purchase. Plus Glock mags are cheaper. I do like this Oracle so far, just not more than a similar option cheaper with cheaper proven mags.
The cuts so you can grab the mag base and works well. I use a Henning group base that has a sharp edge cut in it and it's perfect for that well Magazines hang up a lot in dusty environments
I don't know I really think you were struggling to bash the Oracle I definitely would review one for them it has a lot of nice options that the staccato don't. I think they knocked it out of the park with this firearm. You might just have to have bigger hands as an adult to shoot this gun and as far as the grip they made it softer at the bottom going to the top for certain reasons if you notice I think you failed to tell that closer to the top it does get more aggressive. This being for the individual concealing inside the waistband. I guess as long as we don't have to tear it apart and put $600 worth of parts in it like the prodigy just to get it to cycle I think we'll be okay The price point is very attractive. Thank you for the video.
What is the point of buying a new gun and cleaning it before the break in period? The only time i feel like you should do anything to a new gun is if its old new stock like its been on a shelf for a year at your local gun store or if its been sitting in a safe for an extendend period of time.
You can certainly do that if you like. I prefer to know the condition of my firearm since it is an explosive a couple of feet from my face. Life is risky enough as it is.
Problem is most people keep comparing newer guns with older guns and don’t ever give them a chance. I do believe I heard in one of their videos that they left the frame like that for a reason and that reason is so you can have it stippled the way you want it to be stippled. I’m assuming that includes the mag well if you so desire although I don’t know why. Why most of you people prefer them older looking guns is weird to me. Yeah at first glance it’s not pretty. It looks like the gun from starfield😂 I’m waiting for their “combat elite” that they renamed
wow not to neg US manufacturing but what a POS. grip is a deal breaker, not just the slick, texture but that magwell.. and how much hand space there is. you have to, have to have to ride the safety if you shoot 1911or 2011, those safeties look slick too and the angles sharp edges. there is no way this is a $2300 gun. back to the drawing boards.. agile design... whatever. id sell that thing, get 2 Live Free Armory 2011.. or just sell and get a real 2011, Staccato P. sorry man..imo you got hosed by the hype.. fooled by guntubers again, then folk buy these things.. how did nobody say, during production, this is garbage? slide looks like a Sig.. that is not a compliment.. looks cheap. sad face.. was thinking about getting one start of last year but ended up w a Staccato.. better.
your major sad faces are sad...that is why you don't buy a pistol without putting your hands on it first. all of your points are nit picky relative to your hand size.
I enjoy seeing someone with actual skills pointing out the problems and actually fixing them. We need more of that! To many in this industry lacking said skills spouting off about “quality”. Far too many unskilled shills making videos and regurgitating “quality”. I’m curious as to what Oracle Arms had to say about these issues? Waiting that long and paying that kind of money.. I would be rather upset 😂
@@steeeeve86 clearly you don’t pay attention or don’t possess any basic mechanical understanding let alone posses and armors skills. For what this pistol cost you can get a Bul Armory or a completely custom 2011 from Cosaint WITH porting and a metal grip. I am certain you commented to see your self talk at this point 😂
The aluminum frame and the Glockish hump on the back of the grip is enough to turn me off. And that UGLY mag well! No thank you. Great video! I am leaning toward the Live Free Armory Apollo 11. I believe it will be a big hit for less than a grand.
$2,200 Oracle Arms 2311 + $1,500 Prodigy = $3,700 Nighthawk 2011.
You could look at it that way. I choose to embrace the knowledge gained and end up with 2 nice guns when I’m done with them
You’ve gotta rack the 1911/2011s so you can get an accurate trigger weight pulling the hammer back isn’t a good overview of the trigger weight. You got to rack it so the disconnector can play a factor in the trigger pull by racking the slide. If you don’t you’ll get a lighter trigger pull which isn’t accurate since that’s not how the gun operates under load/live fire.
Thanks for your initial review!
It looks like the mag release is a factory SIG mag release. Dimensions of the grip in that area are obviously different. I'd have to take my P320 apart to see if there is enough material to remove and still be able to function. Should be able to reverse it like you can on the P320 for left handed shooters. I agree, it needs a lot more stippling and get rid of those ribs on the face of of the grip module.
So what you are saying is....buy the prodigy and mod it for the same price as the oracle arms 2311? Lol.
I'm actually thinking about ordering the OA 2311 compact pro. Now I'm thinking I may wait a while for OA to work out the kinks and/ or aftermarket parts are available.
I appreciate the details and the specifics!
Didn't need to watch the video to figure out that I wasn't purchasing this firearm. The 2,000 Plus Price has kept me away.
I never buy at first release. It's essentially a beta test.
Hi buddy! This year Santa Claus arrived early at your house! Congrats on the new toy! I look forward to following your work. A hug from Italy.
Howdy Antonio! Santa did show up early but I’m going to send it back and have the elves work on it. Found something that I can’t fix on my own. How’s the Prodigy doing?
@@nobodytraining The Prodigy looks great and gives me a lot of satisfaction, after all the money I spent here in Italy for that gun in America I could have bought John Wick's. I'm sorry you had problems with the 2311, but I think it's something serious knowing your abilities.
Good video thanks. How many parts are NOT compatible w other widebodys (STI, Staccato, S&W, Atlas etc) ? From what you've reported the Oracle doesnt look like a viable option ...
I’m going to figure that out hopefully this weekend. I haven’t written off the 2311 just yet.
Thanks' for the review, Someone had to do it. You have guts to lay down that kind of money blindly.
hahahahah I do that at my 25 yarder :D. like that it comes with all the goodies the poordigy didn't. not to turn this into another prodigy vid but do you plan on changing any springs? I had the lighter main spring added shot for about 3k rounds then light primer strike machine. I currently have an extended firing pin out for delivery today hoping that will fix the issue. I also ordered that ATLAS tool-ess guide rod. mine keeps coming loose and wondering if that can cause accuracy problems. just wondering how the firing pin spring held up and if you got that resolved. they need to sell the main spring / firing pin and "extra power spring" as a kit in my opinion. I think my main spring kind of settled in and may have gotten a little lighter maybe. the trigger reset was adjusted but that only helped out a little so I put it back for now. thanks for the vid!
Well those shots definitely would have kept his head down! Lol. How light was the main spring? The 19 I have has been doing great so far. EGW should sell the extra power firing pin with their ignition. It would be a no brainer. As for the 2311 turning into a series, I’m not so sure. I discovered a reason why I need to send it back. Not something I could fix.
$2200 for that, would have stayed in the store!!! You can do much better for less money.
Where else you gonna find an
Ambidextrous 2011?
I'm right handed... So not a big deal for me.@@SaleemMusawwir
MUCH BETTER for less? No. Better for same, or less for less.
Yeah have never even held one. Pipe down pleb. I get mine tomorrow. $2200 to you might as well be a fortune you brokie.
Great video. I'm glad they come with optic plates. I wish we could all get together and make two footprints. One for comp optics and a small one for ccw. I see what you're saying about the thumb safeties. And I notice it's got ambi slide lock slide release for the wrong hand people out there. Haven't seen that on a ds 1911. Good looking pistol. How did it shoot?
Commonality would be great for the plates. The slide release is nice for the lefties. I haven’t really shot wrong handed yet with this pistol. 🤣 The 2311 has potential. I just have to get pasted the stuff that bugs me.
@nobodytraining make it your own. I have a feeling you are pretty good at that. I shoot a lot left-handed just in case my right hand gets injured. I suck left🤣🤣
@richardwilliams9815 I can’t say I’m any better!
@@nobodytraining hopefully the noise scares them away 🤣🤣
It's ambi because it's not a 1911 DS... It's just a 320 pimped with some 1911 parts. Odd pistol for sure lol
I'll take the da Uzi, da SPAS, da 9mm Oracle Arms 2311....Wait, What? 9mm? Fuck that! I'll take the 10mm Long Slide with Laser Sighting.
When I saw this pistol I was excited until I realized what it was.... Then I was definitely not interested in it. Stealth arms platypus did a better job of mixing styles. This is a pimped 320 that fails as a 2011. For the price I don't see them succeeding with this pistol.
Good point, I work with a guy that has around 3k rounds through his Platypus. So far, that’s my next purchase. Plus Glock mags are cheaper. I do like this Oracle so far, just not more than a similar option cheaper with cheaper proven mags.
What's the deal with mounting your x300 so far forward on the prodigy instead of flush?
It was the most comfortable spot for me to activate it
That magwell is laughable, Oracle Arms might as well file for bankruptcy and get it over with.
I do have a feeling that there will be alternatives for them if enough people buy it
The cuts so you can grab the mag base and works well. I use a Henning group base that has a sharp edge cut in it and it's perfect for that well
Magazines hang up a lot in dusty environments
My Glock 48 Oem trigger is lighter with 500 rounds thru it. It’s breaking at 3.5 lol. 🤙🏽
Can't compete with honest outlaw 100yard shots. Not even me, no where near his skills 😅
Put some stipple work in the grip its so easy .
I don't know I really think you were struggling to bash the Oracle I definitely would review one for them it has a lot of nice options that the staccato don't. I think they knocked it out of the park with this firearm. You might just have to have bigger hands as an adult to shoot this gun and as far as the grip they made it softer at the bottom going to the top for certain reasons if you notice I think you failed to tell that closer to the top it does get more aggressive. This being for the individual concealing inside the waistband. I guess as long as we don't have to tear it apart and put $600 worth of parts in it like the prodigy just to get it to cycle I think we'll be okay The price point is very attractive. Thank you for the video.
Agancy arms plate for prodigy is bad ass
Great video and not impressed with the 2311!!😞😂
Thanks! I think, like the Prodigy, the 2311 has great potential. It’s just missing on some things.
GRIP SAFETY SUCKS
What is the point of buying a new gun and cleaning it before the break in period? The only time i feel like you should do anything to a new gun is if its old new stock like its been on a shelf for a year at your local gun store or if its been sitting in a safe for an extendend period of time.
You can certainly do that if you like. I prefer to know the condition of my firearm since it is an explosive a couple of feet from my face. Life is risky enough as it is.
Same here I have always cleaned the factory lube off my weapon and put my own. It let's you inspect the firearm and know what you have.
Can’t even get those OA clowns to answer any questions
So you don't wear a large. You wear a small but buy larges for some reason. 😂
lol. I wish it was that simple! I’m cursed with stumpy fingers and a fat palm. So I’m forced into large
I dont like it id take the prodigy any day
To me it's just ugly
There are parts that I like and parts I definitely don’t.
Lol❤
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Problem is most people keep comparing newer guns with older guns and don’t ever give them a chance.
I do believe I heard in one of their videos that they left the frame like that for a reason and that reason is so you can have it stippled the way you want it to be stippled.
I’m assuming that includes the mag well if you so desire although I don’t know why.
Why most of you people prefer them older looking guns is weird to me. Yeah at first glance it’s not pretty. It looks like the gun from starfield😂
I’m waiting for their “combat elite” that they renamed
Lol they copied a sig lol that is first problem lol im sure there so many more being a sig copy
wow not to neg US manufacturing but what a POS. grip is a deal breaker, not just the slick, texture but that magwell.. and how much hand space there is. you have to, have to have to ride the safety if you shoot 1911or 2011, those safeties look slick too and the angles sharp edges. there is no way this is a $2300 gun. back to the drawing boards.. agile design... whatever. id sell that thing, get 2 Live Free Armory 2011.. or just sell and get a real 2011, Staccato P. sorry man..imo you got hosed by the hype.. fooled by guntubers again, then folk buy these things.. how did nobody say, during production, this is garbage? slide looks like a Sig.. that is not a compliment.. looks cheap. sad face.. was thinking about getting one start of last year but ended up w a Staccato.. better.
your major sad faces are sad...that is why you don't buy a pistol without putting your hands on it first. all of your points are nit picky relative to your hand size.
I was going to say this. Minus the magazine catching the ejector, these are all personal nit picks, not design flaws or poor engineering.
That’s disappointing. That thing is a pos
Mags hitting the ejector is a big problem.
We had a ton of ejectors break off in custom guns this year from this issue.
@PnP-td1mt definitely not ideal.
I enjoy seeing someone with actual skills pointing out the problems and actually fixing them. We need more of that!
To many in this industry lacking said skills spouting off about “quality”.
Far too many unskilled shills making videos and regurgitating “quality”.
I’m curious as to what Oracle Arms had to say about these issues? Waiting that long and paying that kind of money.. I would be rather upset 😂
@PnP-td1mt because they aren't issues, minus the mag contacting the ejector, these are all personal gripes about the design. "Skills" 😂😂😂
@@steeeeve86 clearly you don’t pay attention or don’t possess any basic mechanical understanding let alone posses and armors skills.
For what this pistol cost you can get a Bul Armory or a completely custom 2011 from Cosaint WITH porting and a metal grip.
I am certain you commented to see your self talk at this point 😂