Doctor Explains the Latest Vegan vs Keto Head to Head Study
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- Опубліковано 16 лют 2021
- A new study published in January pitted a ketogenic, low carb, animal-based diet against a plant-based, low fat diet in a fully controlled environment. A lot of dietary studies are simply not even worth reading, but this one merited a quickie video to share the interesting result as it was done well. The carbohydrate-insulin obesity hypothesis has been widely accepted but not tested. Thankfully non-COVID research is starting to make up more and more of medical news once again.
Argh, this is what happens when you try to write/record/edit/upload on the same day. Typo at 00:07:14 - should read "this does not imply it is the ONLY option..."
Original study by Kevin Hall et al: www.nature.com/articles/s4159...
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A quickie down by the river; one-take explainer on an interesting study. I'll be honest with you, after the first few hours I'm not going to check the comments on this one. But I dream of a day where ketonauts will be able to join hands with veganists as brothers and sisters, not divided by what it is on their plate, but united by the fact it is free of processed food. Keep it civil please.
Edit: thanks for those pointing out the typo at 00:07:14 - should read "this does *not* imply it is the ONLY option...". The downside of trying to do the whole video in a hurry in one day!
I feel perfect on keto, i tried healthy vegan for 3 months and felt terrible... Maybe it is different for everyone. :)
This study was heavily biased towards plant-based option. Everyone on keto side knows that the worst outcomes comes from 2 weeks on keto due to fat adaptation. I am very sad that you chose to promote yet more dietary myths using a poor quality study.
What happened to the insulin sensitivity of the keto-group at the 2-week switch? A common argument from the vegan camp is that fat-intake increases likelihood of diabetes due to fat accumulation in cells preventing insulin signalling and glycolysis.
Why were the kids screaming? Were you feeding them vegan?
There's vegan keto you know,the problem is not the diet it's the animal products lol
You created an entire career on UA-cam just to avoid your kids ?!?
_It’s the only way_
Madlad. Fucking legend!
Pretty sure that's what youtube was invented for.
thats dedication
😂😂😂👍
If food is so important then why doesn’t the body make it itself?? Smh
Reject heterotrophism, go back to photosynthesis
Plants be like
If food is so good why isn't there a Food 2 ? Smh
It does. I get all the nutrients i need by looking at the sun. It’s called bretharianism
@@Biped there is. thats cooking!
It's really refreshing to find someone on youtube who's both knowledgeable, reasonable and also funny.
I love your content.
Thank you Doctor.
Honestly, I really appreciate the POV of this video. It’s true that there are a lot of videos on diet, but many of them (even many that go into the scientific literature) end up pushing one solution, and ignoring literature which suggests another diet might also be effective. I think it’s an open question as to what the optimal, long-term diet is, but it’s reassuring to hear that your main priority should be to eat healthy, unprocessed foods.
Rohin: _Worried that commenters might become belligerent_
Commenters: *Dat beard!*
I had something to say about the "Scenic location"! LOL!
There's a reason the abbreviation of 'standard American diet' is SAD.
I was actually trying to decifer SAD and was thinking in Starch Additive Diet.
Funnily enough it's also the abbreviation for Seasonal Affective Disorder aka. seasonal depression.
so is a Reasonable American Diet "RAD"?
Sad Additive Diet
@@PresidentialWinner It's "Nonexistent"
Interesting to finally see a study like this. Would love to see a longer version. Tough to measure substantial changes in such a short amount of time. Thanks for sharing!
The biggest problem with such trials is the time span: sure the first 2 weeks of weight loss on keto is water, but once that is lost, the body has to break down body fat. It's so frustrating do have studies for such short time spans, as the body and especially the gut takes some time to adjust. That is true for all dietary changes.
Exactly. Keto has a slow and awkward start but once it gets going it's amazing.
Sorry, but I need to discount this study as it does not support my preconceived beliefs.
Wow it's Dr Strong big ups
One study that is keto biased even though not making it look great, because it is not, as numerous more studies have proven.
@Bill Miller nothing more preconceived than eating animals, I used to and learned better, as you should too.
@Bill Miller if you did you would not be arguing against so.......
@Bill Miller In the end, even if a vegan diet were only half as healthy as it is - the real reasons to do it are the environment and ethics, which are the reasons for most vegans to do it.
I just realized "Standard American Diet" acronym is SAD
😂😂😂
nicely spotted 👍
Could say that for any countries standard diet starting with ‘A’ 😉
@@oldmate86 for the American one it's specially true though.
It's infamously unhealthy and that's not really up for debate.
Some are happy to be SAD.
As an ex keto, and never Vegan, I would rather be vegan. Keto killed my health
2 weeks on keto is barely enough time (for me) to get beyond the keto flu. I tend to eat more in this period because I'm so lacking in energy and clarity, then eventually appetite reduces as I become more used to burning fat.
Need much longer study on these in terms of weight/fat loss. I'm curious either way; have nothing against veganism, having been vegan for 5 years in the past.
Took me a good month to two months to really normalize and it was smooth sailing after that. The sugar/refined carb addiction takes a while to let go of both physically and psychologically.
This. Also so much focus on fat loss, not enough on treating health conditions/ blood work, it got a passing mention when that's what matters most.
Two videos in one week? How many patients had to be sacrificed for this?
Too few.
They're all dead Jim
@@MedlifeCrisis Everybody's dead, Dave.
@@Ravenesque Dave, everybody's dead
@@userPrehistoricman what, even Peterson?
Glad you apologized for the wind, too many people just accept it as if it wasn't their fault.
This comment is gold.
Hey he could have filmed inside
😅
🤣🤣
He was supposed to use fur to cover the mic
I've seen a video by an American woman moving from LA to Czechia. She said she almost immidiately stopped being on a diet (because of removed peer pressure), just ate whatever she pleased and yet lost a lot of weight. This was surprising, because Czech cuisine is high on both fats and carbs.
Her theory is the lifestyle. Americans are always in a hurry, when hungry they chug down a protein bar or some fast food and rush onward.
In Czechia people actually take time at work to leave the office, go to pub and have some actual food, maybe a small low-alcohol beer and chat.
A small low alcohol beer? Haha that is not done in Czechia. Their small beer is 3 half a liter jugs. Funnily enough they are some of the least healthy people in Europe, but I guess compared to America they are still considerably healthier . I'm Portuguese and moved to Czechia for a while and actually gained a bit of weight with all their fries.
Love how simple this was, one take, all gold, Thank you
Rohin in 2019 : clean shaved.
Rohin in 2020 : shaves from time to time.
Rohin in 2021 : full on beard.
Rohin in 2022 : is called "Santa Claus" on a regular basis.
CHO CHO CHO!
(That's a Christmas carbs joke)
@@MedlifeCrisis I'm going to use that in class next Christmas
@@MedlifeCrisis That took so much IQ, readers get an honorary PhD
2024 - will be mistaken for 'The Thing' Addams.
@@racitup4114 ... Just to avoid his kids!
"I do apologise for the wind" must be the most British sentence ever.
True British only apologize for a lack of wind and rain
I’m gonna say that when I fart from now on. Hahahahaha
@@wfpbwfpb maybe that's what HE meant.
Not only the British have wind, high carb diet will give most people wind♠️
😂 the British will apologize for a lot of things except colonialism
I have done both eating programs. Plant-based: lost weight but always hungry and had to eat HUGE portions (did it for one year), skin did not look great (mind you, this was a very low fat, vegan diet which may be the reason I was always hungry and had skin issues). Always felt like I was being punished. Keto: Lost 80 lbs, went from Stage 2 hypertension to normal, reversed pre-diabetes, lower back pain I've had since a child gone. Achy joints gone. Only need to sleep 5 to 6 hours per night. Do not obsess over food and only need two squares per day. Skin looked amazing (reduced wrinkles and age spots disappeared). Keto: still going and loving it. (I do have an occasional treat meal on holidays and what not -- gotta enjoy yourself sometimes). Mind you: keto is not stuffing yourself with gobs of meat. it's small portions of meat with huge servings of low carb veggies. Eggs, some nuts, a little cheese and healthy oils: olive, avocado, butter, sesame. Also on plant based, I'd have to eat a good 3000 calories per day to not feel hungry all of the time. On keto, I eat about 1200 to 1500 calories per day and do not go through hunger pangs throughout the day. Everyone has to find what works best for their body. We are all different. Whatever plan you do, please be sure not to eliminate healthy fats from your diet. They are very essential to your overall health, especially neurological function.
The problem is the keto diet you're setting yourself up to myriad cancers or diseases. Hopefully not. But you're definitely at a higher risk than vegetarian folks. Blue zone groups, India, Asia where people are mostly vegetarian.
If you eat 3k calories and still hungry you should really see a doc. Has nothing to do with a diet.
I am finding something similar. I've lost around 25 lbs on a largely plant-based diet over the last two years (I kinda lost a lot of the same weight 3 times, due to repeated illnesses, antibiotics and steroids), but I would feel very full on a low fat meal for a couple of hours, then very suddenly be ravenously hangry. I battled constantly with intense cravings for junk food. I always felt better after binge eating.
For a couple of months, I've been realizing my body does NOT want to be on a very low fat diet. I've been looking into a largely plant-based keto diet (hence finding this video). I've been eating high fat, low carb for only 8 days, and despite a couple of unpleasant symptoms the first three days, I haven't felt this good in probably a decade. Cravings for junk food are gone. Binging is gone. I can stop eating before I even finish my meal because I finally feel completely satisfied, and after a few days, I don't NEED coffee in the morning to function. I've also lost 6 pounds.
I still eat lots of veggies and a very high fiber diet. No fruit, but LOTS of nuts, I'm not afraid of oil anymore, and I'm eating a little meat and eggs (which I would end up doing when I'd binge eat, anyway). I told my husband, "When I was eating vegan, I would be full but not satisfied. Now when I eat I feel satisfied but not full."
To a mammalian body, there is really no difference between ketosis and the starvation state. Your 5-6 hours a night are more likely due to chronically high stress hormones than any kind of evolutionary preference to burn fats over glucose. 'Keto adaption' is a nice concept, but it's just a band aid over pre existing metabolic dysfunction. Cells need to burn glucose for energy (hence gluconeogenesis). They will break down lean tissue to get it just to keep you alive. Essentially there is plenty to indict the Keto diet, but you won't find that information in the Keto space.
No the only lean tissue it breaks down is the protein you eat. What is a "starvation state"? Anytime weight is being lost could be described as a starvation state.
"Both groups lost weight"
This is just a minor detail in this video but reminds me why I'm so fed up with all those diet debates: many people treat them as weight loss competition. I'm underweight and always have been, and I get really annoyed when people start praising their specific diet because they lost weight, compared to actually important consequences like overall health or metrics that apply to everyone - but of course that's more difficult because it's more than just one number and requires more knowledge than knowing where to buy some scales.
It's clearly mentioned at the start of the video that both groups are overweight. They have too much bodyfat and aren't healthy so losing bodyfat is the goal in this study.
Yeah, looking for a diet information as someone who isn't after losing weight is quite frustrating. What's so mysterious. You eat less and skip on junk, you lose weight.
The research enquiry starts with what and how to eat to achieve optimal body and mind performance.
@@daveyhintzen53 Wrong. In a scientific study, you record everything about the subjects. Fat cells affect hormone levels, so even if it's not about weight loss, weight is important.
there are dozens of massive high quality studies focused on diets that reduce cardivascular and malignancy morbidity, preservation of cognitive function, etc, etc. But you probably prefer to bask yourself in your ignorance and complain
@@AnomiEj Cool. You almost got my point. But you probably prefer to act like a smartass by vaguely referring to some studies which have absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote.
I was gonna say this study sounds familiar then I realised it was the study that I took part in as a participant
Oh nice! What were your thoughts once you heard the results? Has it changed your eating habits?
Answer the man, wont you!
@@MedlifeCrisis I didn’t actually realise that the other diet was completely vegan until you mentioned it now that I think about it. I was actually surprised at how it made me feel much fuller despite having eaten less calories, I actually had no idea just how big the difference was and just figured that it looked like the same amount so it might as well be. I also didn’t realise just how high the average age was compared to me, at the time I was 11 years younger than the mean. After the study I did notice that I had a strong craving for meat, but that might’ve been because my final two weeks were on the vegan diet
@@SponzifyMee I actually didn’t notice his reply since my UA-cam notifications are usually just a cluttered mess, I probably wouldn’t have ever noticed if your comment didn’t show up as a banner notification honestly
@@dootdoot3888 crave for “meat” or highly calorie packed substances may occur if you only try it for a whole year or two but for natural born vegans they don’t get this craving ever and I after almost 3 years can notice enhanced smell aswell as things smelling differently
BEARD
why are you here
I can't believe the Jazz man watches the Doctor man
Ah, my favorite Adam
BASS
Repetition legitimizes
An unexpected encounter, but a pleasing one indeed
so i have zero idea why i stopped watching your channel (okay, it was yt in general and i do have some idea), but now i´m back and catching up! i found this video very interesting, thank you for covering this study.
For me Keto has another great point which is not often mentioned and that is that one meal is far less in volume and lasts far longer. So I can eat a lot after a long day and still feel light enough to train for example.
1:52 Twelve *years?!* What do you know, Rohin, how long has this pandemic really been going on?
Time is a flat circle
@@MedlifeCrisis Also as a parent of a toddler, each week is feeling about a month long...
My estimate is, we all died in Covid pandemic in the first wave. Everything after that is just cyclic purgatory for our souls...
I’ve been in what you all are calling quarantine since around 2016/17, partially due to disability and chronic illnesses, partially due to no transportation or money. I have no local friends or family, aside from my mom who lives with me and I support on my eight thousand dollar per year income. I really don’t understand every freaking out this past year. A lot of us are forced to live like this our whole lives.
1 month of 2020 was equivallent to a year so yeah. Math checks
Man, the beard gains though! Soon every beard company will be begging to advertise on your glorious channel :D
Is there anything less in need of a company than a beard? It's what happens when you don't shave.
Da fu is a 'beard company'? You mean companies that sell ancillary products, like wet wipes to clean the food detritus from around the edges of your mouth?
@@thePronto Those that sell beard combs, beard oil, beard trimmers etc.
So are you convinced yet that you should switch to a whole food plant-based vegan lifestyle?
omg hi steven
Thank you for your open mind and taking your time to share your thoughts ☺️
My experience with about 18 months of a keto diet was much the same in the first 14 days. I had rapid weight loss which was mostly water weight, but then a slow a steady fat loss which continued until I was very lean. I felt better than I had in years and had more energy. As the diet progressed I found myself eating less each day without feeling hungry. Unfortunately I regressed into my bad old habits and regained the fat. Now I'm always tired and lethargic. It was peer pressure and difficulty in social situations that started my downward regression. It's difficult to maintain a keto diets and be social when all the people cooking for you are eating massive carb loads.
That's my experience, as well. Exactly.
This is my experience as well. I am trying to get back to pure KETO, not only KETO helped me to loss weight, but also fix my years’ bad health. I believe KETO and intermittent fasting are the keys for longevity.
Guess what, this is my experience too!
If you were always tired and lethargic you werent eating a balanced diet of healhy, whole foods. Good carbs are not your enemy.
@@cheezheadz3928 I know that. A keto diet includes healthy carbs. They are essential. But only about 5-10% of the food should be carbs.
01:10 : " I have no diet books or diet plans to sell you "... 🤔... sounds great, Im sold!
You're a sucker!
"Something like two thirds of the American diet comes from ultra-processed food, compared to about 5% in Portugal and 8% in France" - Medlife Crisis
I live in France and although we do not eat much ultra-processed foods, we do eat a fair bit of processed foods we often mix up among themselves so maybe that makes them ultra-processed (not too caricature things but bread + cheese + glass of wine will be considered as an ultra-processed food item by your digestive system). Also, we are the second biggest market on earth for pizza after the US but before any other nation on earth (Italians eats only one-half of the amount we eat) with 29 pizzas eaten per second, 20 pounds of pizza per person per year.
Exactly why we have so many people dying of covid
@@jonathanlyng3442 I’ve read that there’s a difference between flours and wheat in the US and Australia compared to the UK and Europe. I believe that ultra processed foods are ready made snacks, compared to something like bread where there are a few basic raw ingredients. Look at bread from a supermarket and see the ingredients, preservatives, emulsifiers, and so on compared to a freshly baked loaf from a baker with less than a handful of fresh ingredients.
I have zero education regarding this, but I can only assume any overly processed foods don’t leave much for the digestive system to work on. From the chewing of food to the large intestines ability to absorb any remaining nutrients. If food is over processed, most of the system doesn’t really need to work hard if at all. I believe (once again, with zero education and knowledge) that this plays a significant part in the amount of digestive system issues in countries where foods are generally more highly processed. More advertising regarding IBS, or heartburn, and so on. Not to mention general health of ones stool.
I’m always open to learning more about diets, having been vegan for more than half my life. I try to balance my diet with my morals as well as environmental impact in addition to personal health and I notice that foods I eat can really affect how I physically feel.
Hahahahahhaha
@@Ataraxia_Atom We don't. We have over a 99% survival rate. And that's also including the bs "covid related" numbers. Masks do nothing but actually hurt you. Manufactured fear.
Man im not on either side, i just happened to try keto with intermittent fasting for a few months and i saw noticeable health improvements to my digestive tract, psoriasis flares receding and lost weight too. For me it worked and ill stick with it.
Ye, same. I think the important part is, I think, ... "few months". and the study took only a month. I would like to see a study that would take half of year, but ... I guess that is not going to happen. :D
If you look at keto, it emphasizes eating of natural foods not heavily processed stuff, and that is exactly what he is stating that the enemy seems to be the heavily processed foods we get. Basically this is mostly seen in people who still depend on their own created food.
@Jay Rozes literally life is not important outside of human notions to feel a sense of moral superiority.
If life we're sacred, you wouldn't be killing billions of living things per second.
You've likely killed thousands of insects just casually walking or driving around, but those aren't as easily anthropomorphized so people don't care.
Death is an inherent part of life, from the sun to fungi, something needs to die so something can live.
You risk a lot of health complications in the long run. I started to have problems sleeping after a couple of years. And I gained all the weight back with very little effort.
@@OatmealTheCrazy Death is a part of life, not slaughterhouses.
"I have no diet books or diet plans to sell you". And that's how I subscribed. Plus, you made smart videos with Sabine Hossenfelder!
“...and you can’t lock people in a room for many years to do that”
You can in prisons.
I wonder if that would be considered cruel and unusual punishment.
@@finlayl2505 I was literally just about to say that myself. I didn’t really think it through did I? 😬😬
I choose to believe that ethics review boards in 2021 would strike down experiments on prisoners down right away.
Sadly, things like MKUltra belie that faith in humanity.
Anyhow both types of diet seem to drastically increase the amount of tattoos of the participants compared to the average person....
@@finlayl2505 This isn’t the US, you’ll be given rights when you’re told.
In medschool, so many things of what pur professors said went unquestioned by the students, but a word about diet, and people went bananas. The psychology behind diet and identity is fascinating!
It really is
It’s a part of culture so people take the criticism personally
@@kimborampage I mean the adage goes ‘you’re what you eat’ of course people take it personally.
@@trollsneedhugs wtf are you talking about, throwing out words you clearly don't know the meaning
@@trollsneedhugs rotten meat if the climate was cold it seems
Your best comment was how close plant based and keto actually is. I do Keto but the trick for me is eating a tone load of vegetables. Get the best of both worlds. The high fiber filling effect of plants combined with the healthy fats and bio-available protein from meat. The traditional strict keto macro ratios can be miss leading due to low vegetable and moderate protein intake.
this just came up on my videos to watch - was going to, but then realised it was a comparison of Keto v's Vegan as a diet - I would suggest you change the title as Vegan is not a diet - a more appropriate title would be plant based. I am vegan not for the health benefits, but I follow a low lectin/plant based diet for health which seems to be working pretty well for me.
Finally a comment reflecting my confusion! I don't do veganism for the health benefits, that's just a nice little bonus if I happen to be healthier. I still consume a bunch of junk regardless, I just don't want to be harming animals with my choices.
@UA-cam Account It takes more crops to feed livestock than it does to feed people directly. Even considering that crop farming can definitely be harmful in certain ways, farming animals only amplifies that issue. Less livestock = fewer crops = less deaths from harvests.
@UA-cam Account (adding another reply here to ask, did my reply show up? i linked a couple sources, hopefully that didn't cause my comment to be automatically deleted.)
Edit: Fuck, it seems to not be showing. Bleh, can't be bothered to fully rewrite it. In summary: Majority of mammals and birds on Earth are livestock (and they're suffering), majority of crops in the US are fed to livestock (and a decent amount globally as well). I'd link my sources, but YT doesn't like that, so ig look it up yourself :/
Hmm, this beard makes some compelling points
It could work in a hospital.
Ironic as 'beard' used to indicate you suspected the person you're talking to is spouting BS. That was our hot slang back in the 90s.
Rohin, it would appear your viewers' opinion is unanimous; you look very handsome sporting the beard! Just do a trim, rather than shaving it all off.
"sorry about the wind noise, but I thought you might prefer that to screaming kids" 🤣🤣🤣
I can still hear screaming kids -mine
Absolutely great video. My head has been spinning lately around this debate….. so it’s nice to see it’s actually more about cutting out the processed, highly refined foods. 👍
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Ok think found the explanation. Both diets in this study were devoid of proteins. Either 75% fat 10% carbs (keto) or 75% carbs 10% fats (vegan). Since Protein Leverage Hypothesis dictates that humans will seek out ca 20-25% protein ad libitum, as every species seeks out unconsciously a certain protein percentage intake. The plant based option was more filling and provided more trace proteins, plus protein sparing effects of carbohydrates. Hence the protein intake was met earlier than the Keto group. A higher protein, healthy keto diet could have shifted the result the other way.
you look like a very smart and educated Captain Haddock
Captain Haddock before he started drinking.
I'd be interested to see more studies looking at long-term sustainable healthy diets, rather than focussing on weight loss. There are plenty of people who are a healthy weight, but have other hidden lifestyle-related health issues (or are at risk of developing them) - weight is only one factor of health.
Honestly, it’s always about weight loss, never how to be healthy and have your body function at its best. Weight loss should be a bad thing it’s just there are so many fat people out there everyone seems to only care about losing fat.
Pretty sure if you want your body to function at it’s best it’s going to be keto. Evolutionarily speaking I find it odd that our bodies would not prefer using high density energy as it’s main fuel source. More density = more efficient to obtain the energy. Then, the body is clearly extremely capable at storing extra fat and carbohydrates as fat tissue. What this sounds like to me as an adaption to the over consumption of food and storing it for later… but on a high carb diet we funnel resources into carbohydrate metabolism instead of fat metabolism. And the fat just collects over the years.
The visceral fat vs regular fat, fat in the guts is the worst thing that will lead you to all those diseases outer fat is more like stored energy.
@@jonwindle8778 *"Evolutionarily speaking I find it odd that our bodies would not prefer using high density energy as it’s main fuel source."*
It does, though. The insulin response making our bodies use carbs first before fat is so that we could stock up during a brief period of abundance to help us get through the majority of the time when we have no carbs and meat maybe. We've only been carb-rich for the last ten thousand years or less.
@@jonwindle8778 Reaver is correct, and it’s worth remembering, our diet drove our evolution and we adapted to it. When we started cooking with fire, we were not Homo sapiens, we literally were a different species!
7:30 "can't we all just get along". Keto people argue for their diet for dietary reason and vegans do so for moral reasons.
People argue for their xy because it's their xy.
@@wiczus6102?
@@petrichor1956 tribalism, he mentioned in the video. You argue for something, because you belong to a certain camp.
@@wiczus6102 no, it's because it's factual. You and the youtube owner are confused. Plant based is a diet consisting of plants. Vegan is someone who tries to avoid exploitation of animals as practically as possible, and this includes things like leather. So you and the youtube are reffering to plant based people. Not vegans. Veganism is a philosophy and a stance. Not a diet group
@@petrichor1956 ok lmao
I believe no diet is the worst diet you can be on.
Having complete freedom to eat anything will get you eating chips and ice cream pretty quick.
One thing about keto I like is it holds you partially accountable for your choices.
You mess up, you break your ketosis and feel bad after.
it's just enough leverage to give you the momentum to push forward.
After a couple years of severe back pain I went from a standard american diet to a dr berg inspired keto diet. It changed my life and opened my eyes to nutrition and whole foods, but didn't solve all my problems. My back pain decreased by about 70% on keto(which felt like a miracle) and I knew I could never return to eating like I had for 27 years. After 1 year I found myself unable to sustain it from losing too much weight, basically uncontrollable urges for carbs, and actually losing muscle.
I decided to try a plant based and my back pain completely disappeared. Also started trail running and rock climbing at the same time(March 2020). I went from not being able to run 200 yards to a trail marathon in 9 months. All on a pretty vegan-ish diet. Running my first ultra in 4 months. At this point in my food journey I don't see myself changing from a WFPB diet. I feel too good and not all the bad side effects I dealt with on keto. Hopefully this information will help someone because now it has taken me a a few minutes to type out 🤣
Same.... Keto did not fix much for me and I was on it for over 2 years it just helped me loose some weight, But a year in I also got depressed on it and like you I also lost muscle, I also developed this wired nerve pain in my legs I though that was so strange, but now I am Vegan since almost 3 years and I never felt better, zero health problems no more depression or nerve pain so much more energy!
@@AdamAdam-hq9so nice man! My wife is now experimenting with keto, which is way better than standard American! But I guess she'll have to experience it before she just takes my advice 😂
I have lost 40 kg of weight on total keto for 1 year. I have a normal glu and Ap.
Reversed my diabetes and dumped all diabetic medications on keto. Energy off the charts. For me it works.
@@judyfifield6941 that's awesome Judy!
"And I have no diet books or plans to sell you"
that's the kind of humor that I'm here for
this will never work for me, keto diet, whatever it is always makes me feel terrible. good thing i switch to agoge diet which helped me with lots of things regarding my health
As a T2 diabetic ( now in remission) I will always favour a lower carb diet over a low fat, high carb diet. Kevin D Hall, the lead researcher for the study, admitted that insulin levels went "through the roof" (his words, btw) on the HCLF diet. It should also be pointed out that one of the criticisms of his study was that the so-called low carb diet used in the study wasn't low enough in carbs. I believe it was about 134g/day. Lowering the carb content of the LC diet in the study to
Fortunately here where I live processed foods: ready made meals - fast foods - cookies/biscuits - chips etc are far more expensive than fresh food bought in supermarkets or fresh food markets.
Where do you live may I ask? I am from a region where local beer is cheaper than water/mineral water and sometimes even soda.
@peter No "sociopathic corporations" necessary really. Go on and jack the price of a bag of Doritos by 50% with a junk food tax. See how long you hold office.
No, the solution is to get people cooking again. We started doing that a bit during COVID, but too many people got in the habit of ordering DoorDash instead. The more they cook their own food, the less likely they will to be to resort to junk food alternatives. That means you introduce or reintroduce Home Economics in schools. Start them in middle school. The kids learn to cook, manage their groceries, identify good foods they can keep around for snacks, maybe even learn how to balance their checkbook.
Yeah me too. Mostly cause fresh food retrieved from local farms so it didn't go miles to be transported. Hence the cheap price
Yeah money is a huge factor. As standard of living in my country goes up, more and more people order food instead of cooking simply because they can afford it regularly now. One could argue that small scale cooking is ineffective and food delivery is the future, but I still prefer to cook for myself.
Exactly that seems to be part of the problem in the US - fresh food, for whatever reason, is much more expensive than the Junk Alternatives
“I’ve escaped” says the bearded man in front of steel bars. Are you hiding an orange jumpsuit under that jacket Rohin?
I’ve seen so many health and exercise experts on soc media go off about this, and they keep insisting that “carbs are not your enemy”, blah blah, and I’m like yeah, sure? It’s just that really starchy carbs (pasta, bread, potatoes, sugar) make me bloated, tired and I end up having this awful lingering pain in my abdomen. I like carbs in the form of leafy greens, broccoli, and berries - all of which I eat a lot, combined with fats and protein, and I find that my body responds really well to this. I’m not preaching to ppl online that they should all try Keto or that it works for everyone, because that’s just it - I don’t think there’s one exact diet that works for everyone. For me, cutting out certain carb-rich foods is necessary. So it does bug me a little when all these PTs and fitness influencers go online to, like, “berate” anyone who wants to cut carbs.
I was a vegan for two years and ended up gaining SO much weight. I was at the highest weight when I finally decided to abruptly switch over to Keto, and the results were immediate. I don’t know if it was the carbs I consumed during my years as a vegan, or the soy/other meat substituted that rendered my body an inflamed mess, all I know is that I’m glad I stopped. For me, personally, it just didn’t work out. I did not feel healthy - more like the opposite: I was in pain. My digestive system was just NOT on board. (That’s not to say I think a vegan diet is bad - I’m convinced it has great health benefits, aside from the purely moral/environmental aspects. I still try not to over-consume meat.)
I’ve been through intensive diets, both low fat and high protein. I didn’t feel well in either, so I proceeded to eat everything I felt good after eating it. 2 eggs and bacon in the morning, fruit after workout, vegetables and chicken or fish for lunch and for dinner spinach and potatoes. I never felt better in my life, and I actually realized that it’s about the quality of the food and how do YOU feel after eating. Surely someone feels better on a different diet 💁♀️
Careful eating spinach every day, it’s full of oxalate
Be careful about going by feeling. There are plenty of unhealthy things that could be going on in the body which one can't feel. Also, it could just be a placebo.
'Bacon' and 'quality of the food' in the same argument.
Ah, now I get it, you are being sarcastic.
Most bacon comes from grain fed pigs which have an insane omega 6 to omega 3 ratio.
@@PierSilver LOL.
"You obviously can't lock people in a room to do that for a long period of time".
Well, nobody sent me that memo!
* reluctantly unlocks cellar door *
"nutrition research is sullied by a lot of garbage"
you forgot to mention huge amounts of fuckery from institutions, NGO's and big business.
Like all the chocolate industry funded research
I don't mean to quibble, but the technical term is *SHIT FUCKERY.*
Wouldn't all of that fall under the definition of 'garbage'?
Yeah...a lot of garbage
Don't forget the olive oil industry where you can't refuse their offer
As an American i concur on the fact we eat way way way too much processed foods. We get in a rat race with work/kids/traffic and processed foods are right there in our face...easy and cheap. I'm on keto currently and crave processed foods but I'm trying to get over it (sausage, cheese, etc.). With so much processed food at our fingertips it's hard to get away from especially if having limited time for cooking/planning/shopping.
I basically try to alternate between low carb and low fat diets all the time, and I think that works for me. Especially as I'm getting older and I'm noticing the different effects of specific foods on my health that I never noticed as a kid.
Yes , I remember the 15 intermittent minutes of sun in London while feeding the birds , but that was 40 years ago , memory is kind of hazy now
LOL and you are native Londoner??? sounds maybe right.
@@Isabel-ge1ou Canadian actually, visiting Family in Europe when I was 9 , stayed 2 weeks, had 1 sunny afternoon in Holland , Paris was stormy, Scotland was gloomy and London was cloudy.
I'd love to see some longer term studies on these, as the effects seen in the first two weeks of any diet are not likely to persist in the weeks/months/years thereafter.
Bingo.
I agree with this. People don't typically lose much fat with keto until after the first few weeks because the body has to become fat adapted first. It takes a bit for the body to get used to using fat for fuel vs the carbs you have been feeding it all your life. This is why longer term studies are needed. I would also want to know how people feel on keto vs vegan diet. How is their brain function, energy levels, sleep, etc?
@@Jennifer-dy2mp well, I think it would depend on the type of diet within those parameters, right? Like, if you’re hitting your nutrients vs. junk food vegan, as an example, or within your calorie goals versus too much or too little.
@@Jennifer-dy2mp I’m actually was going to try Leto for a month guess I should do it for 4-6 months. That was expected.
@@Jennifer-dy2mp Exactly. And once fat adapted, intermittent fasting becomes super easy, as the feeling of hunger itself changes. I haven't eaten more than 2 meals a day within a 6 hour span in years(not counting the occasional hung over cheat day), and have done months of OMAD.
In my early 30s, I was on a clean Vegan diet after watching a documentary called “Forks over Knives”. In my first year, I reversed aging so dramatically, people thought I was 19 and my energy was amazing! My stretch marks and cellulite were gone, and I was happy. I’ve recently tried Keto and it’s okay, but I feel like it’s messing with my cholesterol levels. While on Keto, I eat fish, but I feel like I need to force myself to eat dairy and protein. Overall, I think I prefer plant-based foods, so I may go back to a Vegan diet because it truly helped me and gave me mental clarity. Both lifestyles seem to have helped people, so who am I to judge which is better? We must all be responsible with whatever diet we choose and we know our bodies best! 💝
Incredible that US experts spent decades ignoring the health effects of ultra-processed junk. The issue only gained much attention in the late 2000s thanks at first to Brazilian researchers.
I did my own experiment on myself just like this but longer. For me the plant based diet was much easier to stick to and I felt happier. Also, my relationship with food was better on plant based because I felt I was really nourishing my body rather than restricting food. The only thing I missed was eggs so now I eat them too along with the occasional sweet treat. It doesn't have to be crazy all or nothing. Diet has a lot to do with our brains and what we can stick to over the long term. And everybody is different.
@Adam A. Spot on. I am a full vegan for ethical reasons, and I completely support the blue zone diet and for people to consume small amounts of meat and eggs. It is far better than the heart attack diets most people are eating today, and there is no way the world would ever go full vegan, and I understand that. But if everyone would eat like in the blue zones, we all would be happier, healthier and we would have a much gentler impact on our planet.
If it wasn't for the ethics, I would 100% do the blue zone, as you formerly stated.
Ps.Walnuts are also high in Omega 3s and is very good for your brain 🤗
Thank you for being a breath of fresh and logical air 👏🏻
@Adam A. Excellent information, I did not know that. I do consume alge and a few walnuts a day, but I thought walnuts were a good source for those without alge at disposal, but then I know, thanks for making me aware.
@Adam A. which kelp brand do you take?
@Adam A. Okinawa is the place with the most centenarians in the world and they eat lots of lard, spam and fish. Certainly not just 5% animal products, that's a ridiculous figure. I remember that's a myth arising from the data gathered by US military bases in the aftermath of ww2 which caused a change in the traditional Okinawan diet due to shortages. All blue zones have diets similarly high in animal fat
@Adam A. Well it's certainly still considered a blue zone by all sources that I can see, and probably the most famous blue zone at that. The point is all the centenarians alive at the time when the most famous data were recorded were raised on a nose to tail pork diet. You cannot live a long life without lots of cholesterol which is essential for the creation of cells
I'd give a kidney for a beard like that, wanna make a deal?
@@kian4392 well, I'm open for negotiations
I assume it's not your kidney... to clarify, I don't doubt you own it. I only doubt it came from your body....
@@KohuGaly It's a complicated story.
Legally.
@@KohuGaly If he found it he own it so it was his kidney.
@@sirBrouwer did he find it in someone?
Great review. Moving away from the complex process is a great start.
2 weeks is actually the time it takes you to get into real ketosis the next 2 weeks should be compared not the first 2 weeks. the study should be 8 weeks at least and first 2 weeks of both diets must be discounted because no diet actually starts making any significant/real difference in first 2 weeks.
Surely this study proves that wrong, since there were clear differences between the two groups! There is clearly a real / significant difference in the first two weeks.
@@dex6630 lol nope it was not significant in overall health of the individuals.
The first warning sign looking at the study is that the main finding seems to be that the LF group ate less calories than the LC group. Note that they didn't find any significant result in how much fat both groups lost, just look at the results in the paper. This paper is basically arguing for what ketoers has been saying "a calorie is not a calorie".
some othe points
1) 10% fat is not keto, 5% is keto. And especially for beginners, you should start with less than 20g of carbs to be on the safe side. Looking at the figure containing how much calories the participants ate, the average "ketoer" ate over 2500kcal, which is more than 50g of carbs. This is not keto.
2) Short term weight loss is worthless, most people gain the weight back and then some. It's all about the long-term viability.
3) Ketogenic is not a quick fix, it takes a month or two to fully adapt. You can count on eating a lot the first 2 weeks since your body is screaming for sugars and the only way to stop it is to eat more. This holds truer when you're a random participant in an experiment and have no knowledge about the keto process and don't utilize discipline.
Again, this paper only says that the LF group ate less calories than the LC group. It didn't show any significant result in terms of fat loss. I don't think we should discount the study, ketoers should be encouraged that they can eat more and still lose the same amount of fat as the LC group.
I find it strange , I don't know if Medlife Crisis knows what the word significant means, but he seems to use it when he pleases. He said that LF lost more fat than the LC, but there was no signficiant result which he didn't mention. He was quick to mention that the keto group lost water weight and no significant fat loss. He also said "there was no body fat loss", but looking at the diagram you obviously see some loss of fat mass. It's so manipulative to try to come off as "unbiased" while selectively chosing what to convey and not convey. This is not an unbiased video.
He didn't even show the insulin and glucose charts which heavily favored the LC group. He showed all other charts.
@@irtzashahanpk
Excellant breakdown.
Pity most will overlook your comments.
Critical thinkers are a rare breed :)
@@maximt1401thanks for the kind words mate
very interesting! honestly i've lost so much weight ever since i moved out and really started cooking for myself, instead of eating the processed frozen foods i used to eat. the weight loss was very nice and i'm finally an average weight.
It's pretty easy to maintain weight with minimally processed whole food meals cooked at home, everyone knows this, but not everyone knows how or can be bothered to cook, and pizza and icecream taste amazing lol.
@@saschamayer4050 but totally worthwhile. I love to plan beautiful balanced meals...and you know, I can eat whatever I want and not gain weight. Portion control is important but just eating great nutritious food has made all the difference for me
I lost ten pounds since moving out last year. I love to cook and take the time to enjoy it. Cooking does not just be a chore, it is taking a mini food trip to another country.
I'd be so much leaner if I didn't have a family to cook for all with their own individual tastes and preferences! If my wife wants to try one of the new highly processed vegan treats then I can't resist! It's a lot easier to just not buy them, but when that choice isn't yours alone it's so much more harder to avoid those foods. Enjoy your solo food options whilst you can haha.
@@saschamayer4050 Yeah you'd be surprised or maybe not to know how many healthcare workers have terrible diets due to the unusual hours they work and the difficulty of fitting in cooking and meal preparation time.
I found out what the study showed to be true for me. I have tried both the models, personally. Also, I have lost weight using either model, I have yo-yoed up and down several times during my 71 years. I was more comfortable and ate less on the plant based system but I did miss the animal products. I now integrate some of both systems. I usually have one large plant based meal a day, usually at noon and I eat what ever I want at the evening meal, very often encluding meat or eggs (I still do not eat dairy, except in very small quantities because it causes eczema, for me.) This seems to work well for me.
The way dairy cows are treated in this country yeah. Stick with goats milk and goats cheese or sheep cheese and you should do fine with it.
Try raw milk
@@melissalara523 I'm not interested, really, in dairy. I consider it food for baby cows, not adult humans.
That sounds like Dr. Eric Berg's diet recommendations. He's a keto man, but he eats an absolutely enormous (in my opinion) amount of vegetables. Few carbs. He avoids wheat, rice, sugar, dairy.
@@edennis8578 I follow Dr. Berg (chiropractor Dr. Not a real one) and have had great results with that diet along with intermittent fasting. Best free, common sense, science based advice.
Thanks for the great balanced and unbiased a video! I am in the whole food plant-based camp but I totally agree with your thoughts and appreciate the balanced perspective. At the end of the day, you do have to pick one that works best for you but getting away from all the processed junk is the primary goal :-)
The 'we wouldn't be here' is a bit of a non argument. It's more about optimisation for health AND longevity, bearing in mind we could raise offspring and die at thirty and still perpetuate the species.
Wouldn’t keto be considered more balanced since it doesn’t 100% exclude plant-based foods? While veganism 100% excludes all meat AND vegetarian products.
That is an incredible beard
I hope he grows it long enough that he can braid it
Indian genes best genes for beards?
Yeah like Rohin is not supposed to be handsome
Pandemic beard. After these lockdowns, I look like a taliban or a hippie
Indeed it is. I wish I could grow even half the beard this handsome man has
I think that the 12 month/12 year mix-up is a perfectly accurate summation of the relative subjective experience of living in the last 365 days.
It's a very interesting topic! I've done very well in terms of health and weight loss on a very high-carb vegan diet, I've managed to reach goals that I could never do before (blood tests, stamina, muscle gain, weight loss, mood) just by simply changing my diet to whole foods plant-based. I researched the topic a lot before making the switch from being an omnivore as I was really worried about nutrients and everything on a vegan diet (as I think everybody is). I really liked everything I read + soon enough I had the experience myself. For years, I was a firm believer in the high-carb vegan lifestyle, and I still am! Based on my research I thought there is nothing else truly good for the human body. I still think it's very nice compared to other diets because of the high fruit and veg intake and overall healthy approach. But for the past year, I started intermittent fasting (for quarantine weight gain) and that's why I started looking into keto because I heard the two works best together. Because I want to remain open-minded I did a lot of research on (healthy) keto as well and I like the concept, so I'm going to try this diet, too. I guess my point is: people don't be narrow-minded, lots of different things can work on lots of different people, unless you have a medical condition that omits you from trying something, don't judge until you tried. And you don't have to do restricting diets to have results, before this whole thing I just ditched processed foods, sugary drinks and aimed to eat fruits/veggies at least once a day (compared to almost never before that) and it helped a lot. Combo that with a half-hour walk every day and you will see results without a doubt.
@UA-cam Account reading comprehension much? Who talks about getting ripped, what the hell is even your comment, a joke?
Problem with studies like this is the people setting up the study do so at their understanding such as supplying not true keto foods. He said there was no change in hunger or feeling full. That tells me the people were not truly in ketosis. I can easily go days without eating and not be hungry.
I lost 40 lbs and over 10% in body fat in about 3 months on the keto diet and when in ketosis, there is very little hunger if any at all.
He also said its not about reducing heart attack or stroke risk. After going keto docs pulled me off my heart meds, blood pressure meds, diabetes meds, constipation meds and said I no longer need to be monitored for strokes. I went on keto after having a stroke.
People on keto diet eat veggies, vegans don’t eat meat. Keto doesn’t have the nutrient deficiency veggie only can have.
High insulin levels have many health issues, there is only diet that lowers insulin levels.
Both diets are limited by what you eat. Being a vegan eating bad non orgainc food is not going to help. Same goes with Keto and eating bad fats like canola or soybean oil. Potatoes are vegan and one of the worst things a diabetic or prediabetic can eat. Worse than pure table sugar. Glycemic index is almost 50% higher.
I’ve talked with hundreds of people on the keto diet, every one who is doing it right has had significant weight loss and health improvements. Same with vegan.
The particular diet isn’t as important as how well you do the diet. If you don’t do any diet but eat organic, healthy fats, healthy meats, cut sweets and watch your quantity you’ll be better off.
Which vitamin vegans lack besides B12? And they can also get in ketosis when fasting so that would be a different factor to examine
@@julianereis7024 Choline, creatine, DHA and many more including all of the fat-soluble vitamins A, E, D, and K. Also 84% of new vegans quit within 5 years and 91% of those cite their reason for quitting as catastrophic health failure including destruction of their gut due to excessive fiber intake.
@@kayallen7603 omg how terrible how did our ancestors survive since there’s a lack of vitamins in fruits and veggies and our liver can’t produce any protein from sources other than aminoacids from other animals
@@julianereis7024 indeed our ancestors ate meat and very little veggies (wasn't any farming then, not much veggies in one place) and almost no fruit (only seasonal, just to gain some weight in order to survive the winter). where are you getting your info from? humans evolved eating meat.
When I did keto for 3 months, my lipid panel was the worst it’s ever been and it had been normal prior. Cholesterol over 200! Vegan life for me. Also, I don’t eat sugar and bread and junk, just simple foods that involve a lot of veggies
Hi, I just want to thank you for reading these research papers, explaining it, and keeping us up to date! You are on my shortlist of people that genuinely want to make this world a better place. :-)
It would have been nice of him to explain the environmental benefits of cutting out animal products though .
It's trivial to talk about health when the planet is in such a state due to animal agriculture .
The Standard American Diet is just.... SAD
Omnivores can eat an omnivorous diet shock. I agree that not eating processed food is common to both diets. He hinted that the term ‘processed’ needs clarifying, and I certainly agree, in that a boiled egg is more ‘processed’ than honey straight from the hive, but it may be because of the effect of sucrose on the body that the hive honey is more dangerous to humans, before you consider the extra danger of being stung. The overlap of what vegans think is wrong with processed food, and what low carbers think is wrong with processed food is the refined carbohydrates, and sugar in particular, and the trans fats. We are just starting to learn the uniques dangers of fructose (half of the sucrose , that is, table sugar, molecule) metabolism, with its contribution to liver fat and insulin resistance, and for that reason, if any food should be limited, either by education or legislation, it should be sugar. So lay off criticising saturated fats, which are found in all naturally occurring fats/oils, without exception, and have never been shown to be harmful to humans. If you don’t try to stop me eating meat, dairy, and eggs, I won’t try to stop you eating tofu, nuts, and coconut oil, which I also like, and sometimes eat.
One diet causes needless suffering, the other does not. One is better for the environment, the other is not.
3 hours sleep?? You should do a video on the vital importance of sleep 😳
This is so interesting to hear. About a year ago I went vegan. I was pretty overweight (about 85+ kg at 168cm) but wasn't trying to lose weight. In fact, I was pretty happy with my body. I noticed my clothes were baggy but didn't think much of it until I realised I'd lost about 10kg in only a few months. One year on, I've lost 25kg and I find it odd how much progress I've made without trying all that hard. This is after years of many failed diets - so I'd given up, and started accepting things weren't going to change... My diet "strategy" these days is simply cooking foods I enjoy eating. Your point about the lack of processed foods is very on point! It would be silly to equate the veganism to the weight loss entirely, but it certainly acted as a catalyst to teach me different (arguably healthier) meals to cook.
@@trollsneedhugs Interesting bulllshit claims, got a study for that?
@@trollsneedhugs that's absolutely ludicrous. For me, I eat a wider variety of veggies, pulses, grains etc and supplement the rest. Much healthier than when I was eating bacon and processed snacks on the regular
Nice! Keep going, that's very good. It all may come down to just that, eating what you like with ingredients as healthy and natural as they can be
@@drumzh41 sure. The point I was saying is that for me, the increased satiation and a connection to the food I was making (Vs processed high energy snacks I would eat before) may have allowed for the weight loss
@@JaviGis Thank you Javi! Indeed, definitely plan on continuing. 🤗🙏
This is a very refreshing perspective. Two very important things that a keto diet gets you to do is cut out added sugars and processed crap in general, and to stop overeating. Both of which are obviously going to make you feel loads better (once your body adjusts). But once you've done that, I think the good doctor here is correct, you're not going to necessarily do better on the keto diet than on any other balanced, whole-food diet. A lot of people can probably do with cutting their carbs down at least a bit, but it's probably more important for most to eat whole-food carbs instead of processed ones... It's also not a bad idea for most people to fast from time to time, which is something else keto is teaching you to do. But I'm not sure we should be doing it continually...
Very well explained! And indeed the most important point: stay away as much as possible from processed food. Experimented with both diets; my body reacts better to the keto diet, although I do my very best to eat enough plants. Substitute tofu for meat too.
Important to note that when vegans come across as pushy on this topic, it probably isn't because they're proselytising about the health benefits of a plant-based diet, but because of what animals go through to get meat, dairy, and eggs on people's plates.
No they’re pushy about the “health benefits” too.
I have been told that eating meat and drinking milk was give to give me cancer and heart disease and, I quote, they “can’t wait to be at your bedside when you are dying of a heart attack and whisper in your ear, ‘you should have listened’.”
Also eggs and diary are fine products. They don’t harm the animals in anyway and they often welcome humans to take away their excess. And eggs are not chicken periods because only select mammals get periods.
@@kimmiewise1044 Cows literally have to be raped to produce milk, and are separated from their young when they’re born. It’s not a “fine product@
@@kimmiewise1044 Saying "I can't wait to be at your bedside when you are dying" is a horrible thing to say. I hope that person lets go of their nastiness. I would hope that those kinds of people are still a minority.
I thought the same thing about dairy and eggs as well. If the animal doesn't have to be killed to make the food, then what's wrong with it? I later found out there was a hell of a lot wrong with both.
Dairy: ua-cam.com/video/UcN7SGGoCNI/v-deo.html
In order to produce milk, cows need to give birth, so first they are inseminated (usually artificially, where a human will shove their fist up the cows anus and inject the semen into their vagina). Upon giving birth to her calves, they will be taken away from her within days, which causes the mother intense emotional distress. The females will go on to live the same life as their mother , the males (because they can't make milk) will either be fattened up and stabbed in the throat to make veal, or just shot in the head when they are a couple days old because it's cheaper. And when a dairy cow's milk production declines, after 4 or 5 pregnancies, she will sent to the slaughterhouse to be stabbed in the throat and turned into beef.
Eggs: ua-cam.com/video/utPkDP3T7R4/v-deo.html
Similar issue. At the hatchery, the female chicks ones are sent down one chute, to lay eggs, and the male ones (because they don't produce eggs), are sent down another chute... to be ground up alive in an industrial macerator. Or sometimes they are gassed, or tied up in a plastic bag and left to suffocate. And, of course, the hens will eventually be sent to have their throats slit and be turned into nuggets.
Yes. But I wish they would stick to that. When vegans proselytise about the cruelty of farming, they’re annoying, but they’re not incorrect. That’s a matter of individual morality.
Whereas when they proselytise that a vegan diet is healthier. They’re just objectively wrong.
Now sure, a diet of mostly vegetables is probably healthier. But just cutting out animal products does not automatically make a healthy diet.
One thing I would like to point out is that, for a person who has never followed a ketogenic diet before, getting into ketosis and adapting to that way of eating takes more than 14 days. When I first started keto, I consumed quite a lot of calories, especially for the first two weeks. But as time passed, my need for food reduced significantly to the point that I don't really need more than 1 or sometimes 2 meals a day. The best part is that my hunger and cravings reduced significantly, without much need for willpower to control my eating habits.
I would love to hear your thought on this.
Most studies show people on keto eat fewer calories once they've adapted, that's the main reason they lose weight. 14 days is way too short to draw any conclusion on how a diet will work in the long run, especially in the real world where you aren't locked up with someone bringing you meals they've chosen. I've tried both low-fat vegetarian and keto. My weight didn't change much but my blood lipid profile looks much better on keto, and mentally keto feels better with fewer ups and downs in mood.
"Eat as much as the wanted." In the US, we habitually eat three meals plus snacks and we habitually fill our plates for those meals. And our plates are large.
If the eating habits were not changed--and they were expressly not changed in this study--then it's obvious that American eating habits (three meals, plates filled) with calorie-dense foods will result in a higher daily caloric intake than the same eating habits (three meals, plates filled) with less dense foods.
They gave the study subjects no information or instructions and the test wasn't long enough for habits to change naturally.
yeah that 2 weeks cycle is way too short. I don't have a horse in the race, but I know that Keto takes quite a bit of time to "get started" .
I think it is a good point about Japanese diets, asian cultures such as Chinese, Japanese, south east Asians consume rice with pretty much every meal, but traditionally they are thin...
@@louisebakerlifeandwellness3391 Some are, some are not. There are some pretty fat Chinese these days. You have to look at the culture's entire lifestyle, not just one element of their diets. Even things like the time of day they eat, whether they do a lot of snacking, the size of their portions, whether they consume a lot of sugar, how long they take to eat...all those things add up.
You won my heart with the “*fewer” edit, lol.
No, the reason people ate less on a vegan diet is because it contains more fiber, and fiber makes you feel full because it bloats you. Meat and animal products are really easy to digest. Also two weeks on one of the diets is just way too short. It's very difficult to get good results from this study therefore.
But I think we can all agree that cutting out all the processed shit is gonna help you either way.
The biggest take from this for me is that the body can deal with a lot of what you throw at it (or in this case, what you throw in it), as long as you don't throw too much
thats a nice way of putting it
No, it can deal with a lot, as long as don’t throw the wrong stuff in.
We're omnivores and can choose from a wide range of things to eat.
This is why we should make ethical choices when it comes to diet .
@@rearanged there is pretty much no "wrong" stuff
@@BrosBrothersLP yeah there is. doesnt concern us unless you are in a forest somewhere. plenty of mushrooms and berries that can kill you if you dont know what you're eating
Yes! Different food habits work better for different goals/different people! I feel terrible eating a lot of protein or animal products, but I have a good friend who feels terrible eating many carbs no matter the source.
Exactly!
*I STARTED KETO* due to pancreas damage making me borderline diabetic.
THE BIGGEST BENEFIT TO ME ON KETO is that I feel GREAT. I sleep so much better. I get up at 6.00am not 11.00am. My mental health is better. I'm happier. It has transformed my life and I certainly was not expecting that, I was just trying to avoid the need for insulin. I felt f-king terrible on a vegetarian diet.
we are more alike than we are different
@@piccalillipit9211 I'm so glad your quality of life has improved so much! That must feel amazing!!!
@@GraceLJW Thank yes. I feel very lucky. It is a diet that suits me. But I make point of NOT preaching about it to others...
If all of nutrition science agrees on one thing: processed food bad, fresh unprocessed food good
If you stop eating oil and fat you can handle carbs, Insulin resistance is caused by Intramyocellular ( lipids in muscle cells) fat from high fat diet.
I'm on Keto camp. And this seemed like a genuinely great video and overview of a study. The points I gathered were that Processed foods probably a good place to start when cutting or changing one's diet. Also that being so polarizing in strictly adhering to one form of diet over another is not in everyone's best interest. What I feel research will ultimately show over time is that there is no One clear diet that is best for everyone. There is so much variation in humans that it is likely that there will be a much more personalized diet for each individual based around their own personal needs and Biology where we first start by cutting out those Processed foods, and eat foods that look and taste as real and unprocessed as possible.
Thanks again for the video.
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Veganism is not a diet. It should say ‘plant based’ instead.
Years ago I tried the low carb Atkins diet for a month. I lost a bit of weight, but I felt horrible and my immunity significantly dropped. I said a definite no to all diets. Recently, battling my hormone imbalance, I decided to go vegetarian and finally vegan. I can honestly confirm what he said about people eating less. I'm satisfied with smaller portions and don't feel hungry all the time, plus my energy is back.
Well vegans eat vegetables, and keto people eat meat and vegetables. So maybe you have some food allergies if adding some meat makes - which is just soem fat and proteins all perfectly fine for the body - you feel bad.
Keto sucks
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Interesting. I have tried both vegetarian and vegan. I even tried the whole foods vegan Dr. Berg style. There were benefits, but being satisfied with smaller portions wasn't one of them. I was constantly hungry. I could eat and in an hour and a half I was hungry again. It was horrible.
@@myrhev I watched interesting Ted Talk about how perfect diet doesn't exist, because it is dictated by our gut bacteria and these guys are different in every person
But the issue is, the entire keto diet relies on the fact that participants must enter ketosis for the body to begin operating differently, which takes on average 2 weeks plus, which wasn't allowed for in the study. However a for a plant-based diet, participants on the S.A.D diet beforehand are already positioned to operate with the plant-based diet, letting them observe immediate results. A plant-based diet is definitely healthier than the general population's standard diet, but a keto diet, when tested over a much longer time period, maybe healthier. (If you wanna debate please reply, am happy to discuss, still on the fence partially.)
I'm not sure it takes that long for glycogen stores to be depleted. It's on the order of days, not weeks.
I personally was in the low carb camp so far, but this study has given me things to think about and I absolutely agree with Rohin's conclusions - you can't beat homemade food paired with portion control.
@@emanueldobos8452 remember the ‘vegan’ group was eating ad libitum. No need to portion control and still lose weight while eating your fill. As the bearded doc said, cut out the processed junk!
It’s not just about the glycogen depletion. Your body needs time to adapt to properly metabolize fats. Your mitochondria literally changes and that takes time.
Until there's a study that proves this, I won't debate much.
anyway, any diet without significant exercise is not healthy.... diet is not the solution to a healthy life.
My name is Rohin, and I'm a cardiologist
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My main issue with this study was that the keto food offered was low carb but not generally high fat. Low calorie density food (like the vegan food in the study) reducing hunger works on the very simple principle of being too voluminous to overeat on which is an easy mechanism to utilize in an ad libitum environment like this. But the mechanisms at play in a keto diet require a bit more active management that I don't think the study design handled very well. The overall reduction in hunger/intake that happens with a keto diet comes from eating lots and lots and lots of fat. Basically the food is so rich it's uncomfortable and unpleasant to overeat. If you're eating low carb but low to moderate fat and high protein, the limiting factor for meal size isn't the richness and satisfaction from fat it's just the volume of the stomach. It's quite easy to overeat with a 30% or 40% fat meal. It's really really hard to overeat a 70% or 80% meal. If the study was going to allow participants to eat as much as they want, it should have been designed such that every individual food option available to them was 60% fat or more. Either that or it shouldn't have been ad libitum and the diet should have been a little more tightly controlled.
Just sharing some personal anecdotal evidence- I started "dieting" by consuming based on a carb/fiber ratio of about 5 to 1. Cutting out processed and starchy "whole foods" helped to reduce my weight by 20 lbs, but I still wasn't where I wanted to be (my goal was less weight driven and more towards shape and feel). This was with running 2-4 miles up to 4x per week. I stuck to this diet for about a year and a half before I plateaued.
I then transitioned to keto after my own research suggested that fat mass would be burned. I lost an additional 10-15 lbs. I confirmed the idea that I lost additional fat by measuring and comparing body composition. While water weight is a component of the weight I lost, it was much less of a factor given that any "diet" that includes exercise will shed water weight.
My big question about the body fat lost in this study is the starting compositions of the participants. If we're already looking at participants that have low body fat to begin with, the loss will be less pronounced on either side of the equation. It may be that this study was not powered to answer that question.
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A key point that was glossed over quickly was that the food were prepared for them, when you have to make it yourself for only yourself, then you would be more likely to just make something easy instead of healthy.
True, but I think the "eat as much as you like" part has a significant side to it as well. When I prepare food, whether I cook or take something ready-made, I tend to eat the whole package - regardless of what a "serving" is supposed to be. In this experiment, people would stop because they felt like it, not because the bowl was empty. Perhaps streamlining leftovers would help with any of these three categories of diet (but probably less so with the ultraprocessed products literally designed to make you not stop).
Not really that good of a point. Because 1, some people have self control, and 2, you can make meals that are both healthy and easy!
true but depends what you define as easy. chicken breast 15-20minutes (depending on size) in oven, carrots broccoli cauliflower 10-15 minutes in boiling water. thats pretty easy. basically can watch TV in between. scrambled eggs, minutes in a pan. some stuff on that menu does look like its time consuming but it isnt in reality. pretty quick.
@@tai2849 i wouls kill to have someone prepare me healthy meals every single day
@@v-sig2389 I cook my dinner every night it literally takes me 30 mins max, some nights less and I'm only 18
Interesting study. Thanks for the video. Of course, there are other things to consider when making choosing general dietary practices, but this is interesting from a weight loss perspective.
The problem here is adaptation phase and calorie amount. After adaptation and with calorie reduction keto will work for fat loss, too.
Loved this video!!! Finally someone non-biased making a video like this!