I just handled the brace version today and it feels very nice and handy. The brace has just enough length of pull to aim the iron sights. A red dot would make aiming it A lot faster. Aside from the price, it's something to consider if you carry a compatible handgun and have this stowed away in your car as a force multiplier in SHTF
Hey Abner, if you don’t mind I’d like to pick your brain for a minute. Based on your knowledge and experience and taking all factors into consideration including cost, size, ability to hide in plain sight, etc., how would you rank your AFR sub gun rig, the CAA Micro Roni, the KPOS, the B&T USA APC 9? I agree with your line of thinking as far as the limitations of a pistol’s range and ammo capacity, the reality of not having a rifle caliber SBR on hand, and the benefits of having a weapon with the enhanced capabilities when the rubber meets the road. I am planning on making a purchase sometime this year and would really value your input so I can make a well thought out decision. A video on this topic wouldn’t hurt either. Thanks for your time and God Bless.
I am working on an updated chest rig that i better than the AFR. As for the comparison of the different set ups I would say that the Micro RONI is my favorite so far for a collapsible, shoulder fired weapon. My GS17 is my absolute favorite but it doesn't but it can't fit into the bags that the Micro RONI can. The KPOS is good but I believe the Micro RONI is better. The Micro RONI is also better than the GS17 in that it doesn't require any mods to your post weapon. It's just a matter of dropping your Glock in it and going.
Hey Tier 1... if you notice this... what are the legalities of carrying that around loaded where you live? Do you know the details? I know Class III stuff can vary state to state.
I really like the Micro RONI. You need to avoid the braced one like the plague. Follow this link on my website and scroll down until you see the thing about the MCK: tier1citizen.com/articles
@@Tier1Citizen Just saw that. It's a total bummer too as I live in a state where, at the moment, I cannot possess an NFA item of any kind so that rules out the SBR chassis. On another note, I just finished putting together a QRB (Quick Response Bag). Basically contains a chest rig with (4) AR mags, a tourniquet, medical, and a small cold steel push knife. In the bag is also a pair of Delta PIG gloves and the piece de resistance is my 5.9" 5.56 PDW pistol with the Maxim Defense CQB brace and topped off with an Aimpoint T2 on a Scalarworks mount. You did a video on your G17 PDW with your bag, etc and inspired me to do the same. God bless and thank you for what you're doing! Stay safe, my friend! Edit: Forgot to mention I'm also running a Surefire X300U-A at the 12:00 position.
Re: NFA. General public needs to be educated on the "WHY': the 2nd Amendment was added to the BILL OF RIGHTS, and having pounded into their heads that the purpose was to ensure that John Q Public was armed to the SAME LEVEL as forces under government control PERIOD. The purpose being to keep the gov honest / fearful of the citizenry , and to ensure if gov ran amuck the citizenry would be able to remove them. As it is Anti-Gun Politicians have what 10- 30+ armed to the teeth body guards with the latest state of the art weapons, driving armor plated vehicles, wearing body armory, IR vision, etc guarding them 24/7.... and they want the citizenry DISARMED. NFA act(s) are all illegal, It is a "infringement" upon the Right to Keep and Bear arms... Oh, I have a funny feeling that having your name in NFA registry will not be a "good-thing" long term. Not good people to have your "name" on a "weapons list". ************************ Oh, many, many years ago I read a article by Neal Knox who wrote a column in Shotgun News. From memory around 1860 Anti-Gunners wanted only Military and Police to be allowed to process the all new "Metallic Cartridge" guns, Civilians being BANNED from owning them. Quotes from Anti-Gunners: "Splits hot lead like Mt. "(A Volcano erupting at the time.) "Has MORE firepower than a whole regiment of soldiers" "A man armed with one of these cannot be taken" "There is no need for persons to own such a weapon" "Has no "sporting use" Why is the above IMPORTANT ? Well the people back then realized the purpose of the 2nd Amendment was that Civilians be armed at the SAME LEVEL as Gov Controlled Forces and that "Technology" would advance weaponry over TIME. Fast forward to 1986, The Hughes Firearm owners Protection Act" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act A sad day for all Americans that value freedom. What the idiots of today need to realize is the Hughes Act has FROZEN weapon technology for CIVILIANS at the 1986 level... and that MILITARY AND POLICE weapons are allowed to advance. Net effect of this ?.... in 200 yrs Military and Police will have ENERGY WEAPONS like seen on Star Trek, Stargate, Sci-Fi shows that can shoot thru 20ft of reinforced concrete and civilians will have nothing equivalent, if not being totally disarmed. See the problem people ? Gun owners and all that value their freedom need to get behind the 2nd Amendment. Founding Fathers had it right people. .
Yes there's just a bit of wiggle between the two that takes away from its accuracy. However, it needs to be mentioned that it's not bad and what this set up is meant for makes it not that big of an issue. This is a CQC weapon set up and I have found it plenty accurate for that purpose. I just make sure folks know that this is not meant for making head shots at 25 yards if a hostage is in the way, that flex could cause a problem.
i you had to choose between between a caa micro roni for glock 19 or a keltek sub2000 which would it be. my every day carry is glock 19. I want to have something in my car bag that will gve me a little better accuracy in case of extreme emergency.
I'd probably still chose the Micro RONI because of its concealability. However, if accuracy is your main concern then go with this one. It's more accurate because the optic is directly mounted to the slide. ua-cam.com/video/FEL8ow5gf2o/v-deo.html
agreed but then I would have to do paper work for sbr. I am going to get the roni. putting optics on the sub2000 is another 300. the roni is another 100. I will get the roni that will give me a little more influence at longer range should the need arise. something I will never need that I will put it with all the other stuff I hope I never need. thanks
ok next question. I have decided to get the micro roni for my glock 19. lets say am a meat and potatoes guy, total minimalist. lets say I want optics on the roni. what should I go with. as small as possible. low profile
I just discovered the micro roni . One of the you tube videos said that the chassis and 17 do not need to be SBR ed ? With the folding stock and short barrel ? Sound B'S to me what is your opinion ?
Abner Miranda i m in contact with caa. they said they will ship another one because i have an old model and there s a problem ot is fixed now on new ones. i wait. fot months.. i shot it one time months ago :(
Alden Morris over all I think it's pretty good but there are still some minor things they need to address. Mine wouldn't take any of the QD's I tried with it. Growing pains are so fun.
Yes it's easier to zero than an RMR and it never seems to lose that zero. I'm not saying the RMR's lose their zero I'm just saying that the MRDS is an overall better optic to work with. It's no down side is that the lens is made of polymer and is not as scratch resistant as the RMR.
Tier 1 Citizen Yeah I bet it is. The Roni looks fantastic but I bet zero would be everywhere with the Roni. I'm working on a prototype Glock chassis right now. Hopefully have a working model out soon. I'll send you video link once I have it ready. I think you might deside to change again. I would love you feedback with all the work you've done with the Glock SBR series of videos.
hi, nice vid thank you. I have a question. What's the name of the company that makes that finger rest in front of the handrail. Where to buy this item.
All componentes on the RONI can be bought from Command Arms Accessories. If you're referring to the other weapon that foregrip is known as the FGGK and you can buy it from Botach.com
Now that the ATF has backtracked their vague opinion letter that was never gonna hold a candle to the law and we free citizens can shoulder braces without additional annoyances, not worries, but annoyances, getting the braced version of the Micro Roni does seem like an option. If you are afraid of leaving your hard earn money paid sbr or truck gun while you walk away from it but want a force multiplier, get something like this that can interface with your carry pistol. I carry a Glock 19 and they make one for it. I kinda wish they merged a previous variant that has a spare mag in the back, but keeping an extra fun stick along with this rig, you can instantly deploy it and push back against a threat even harder. Recently, I've only been carrying a short barreled AR pistol in 300 with a collapsing/adjustable brace because in a shorter barrel and at the distances a specific attack can happen, the .300 blackout is very effective in a shorter barrel while a 5.56 is not as much.
I haven't tried the brace version of the Micro Roni. The length of pull looks right but I am a bit confused with some of advertisements for the brace variants. Some of them have the angled grip in the front but then there's several versions where it has the brace in the back but the front end looks like it's the slot for the spare mag hold. I thought they couldn't do that because it turns it into a vertical grip
I thought the length of pull looked too short on the brace version. Also, you're correct, they can't do the vertical grip/mag holder because it represents one of the NFA criteria for being an SBR.
That's a really good question. When I first set up my channel I had no idea what I was doing. UA-cam has been a great big learning process for me. Your question actually came up last year when I was trying to come up with the title for a relatively complicated video and realized that my name in the mix was causing a problem. Thanks for the reminder, I think it's time to go ahead and remove my name from all the videos now that I understand that people can find my channel, and my videos without needing my name in front of each one.
A glock is designed to be shot from the hand, adding a frame and stock will change the dynamics and forces acting on the gun when firing. Fortunately the reliability is increased with a system like the micro roni but there might be a slight penalty in terms of wear and tear.
Abner Miranda thank you for replying. I have one more question now, so now that you took the glock out of the Roni is it illegal to carry it because it was registered as an sbr?
wow, aren't laws funny... Here in France the micro roni "SBR" adaptors are free to own if you are 18. To tax and no background check, just walk in, pay your cash and leave with them. Same goes with suppressors.
caa should sell it in basic form and leave it to the customer if they want a vertical or angled foregrip...stock or stabilizing brace....dont have to help the customer to comply with the law...let the customer decide LOL
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I just handled the brace version today and it feels very nice and handy. The brace has just enough length of pull to aim the iron sights. A red dot would make aiming it A lot faster. Aside from the price, it's something to consider if you carry a compatible handgun and have this stowed away in your car as a force multiplier in SHTF
It needs to evolve more. 2 years and I go for it. And it has sharp edges. The pistol comes out filthy as hell after a few boxes of ammo.
I believe that the QD is proprietary. I had the same issue until I ordered the CAA sling with it's ring. no more issues.
Is it possible to run a can on the micro Roni?
Cool kit
Hey Abner, if you don’t mind I’d like to pick your brain for a minute. Based on your knowledge and experience and taking all factors into consideration including cost, size, ability to hide in plain sight, etc., how would you rank your AFR sub gun rig, the CAA Micro Roni, the KPOS, the B&T USA APC 9? I agree with your line of thinking as far as the limitations of a pistol’s range and ammo capacity, the reality of not having a rifle caliber SBR on hand, and the benefits of having a weapon with the enhanced capabilities when the rubber meets the road. I am planning on making a purchase sometime this year and would really value your input so I can make a well thought out decision. A video on this topic wouldn’t hurt either. Thanks for your time and God Bless.
I am working on an updated chest rig that i better than the AFR. As for the comparison of the different set ups I would say that the Micro RONI is my favorite so far for a collapsible, shoulder fired weapon. My GS17 is my absolute favorite but it doesn't but it can't fit into the bags that the Micro RONI can. The KPOS is good but I believe the Micro RONI is better. The Micro RONI is also better than the GS17 in that it doesn't require any mods to your post weapon. It's just a matter of dropping your Glock in it and going.
keep up the good work
Thanks Levi.
I love it. Looking at getting one for myself !
Thanks for the share!!
I love this thing but it has unfortunately been eclipsed by the lesser effective adapters out there. The NFA has got to go in the trashcan.
@@Tier1Citizen I've never seen anyone make over a 15 yard shot with one of those before. Well done! I'm with you, the NFA has to go!!
Habra uno asi para las Beretta modelo 92fs cal. 9mm?????
Hey Tier 1... if you notice this... what are the legalities of carrying that around loaded where you live? Do you know the details? I know Class III stuff can vary state to state.
Can I used this for my airsoft guns?
I know this is an older video, but what are your current opinions on this kit? I'm thinking of getting the braced version...
I really like the Micro RONI. You need to avoid the braced one like the plague. Follow this link on my website and scroll down until you see the thing about the MCK: tier1citizen.com/articles
@@Tier1Citizen Just saw that. It's a total bummer too as I live in a state where, at the moment, I cannot possess an NFA item of any kind so that rules out the SBR chassis.
On another note, I just finished putting together a QRB (Quick Response Bag). Basically contains a chest rig with (4) AR mags, a tourniquet, medical, and a small cold steel push knife. In the bag is also a pair of Delta PIG gloves and the piece de resistance is my 5.9" 5.56 PDW pistol with the Maxim Defense CQB brace and topped off with an Aimpoint T2 on a Scalarworks mount.
You did a video on your G17 PDW with your bag, etc and inspired me to do the same. God bless and thank you for what you're doing! Stay safe, my friend!
Edit: Forgot to mention I'm also running a Surefire X300U-A at the 12:00 position.
So what's the list of pistols this device accepts Other than Glock
if bullets are copper jacketed do they still make lead gas?
do you think a glock with an extended barrel would fit in it? would be sick suppressed.
The MCK can fit a suppressor in if
Why u don't like the after taste of Lead? I love it😩😍😂😂
If Tony the Tiger were here he'd say "Leaded Flakes, they're sweet!"
would that work on the shield 9
Can it still be legally concealed & carried With the kit? Say if I want to keep it in my car for emergencies
If SBRs were not on the NFA, this would be a sweet setup
Agreed. The NFA needs to be done away with.
Just add a gear head works "tail hook" if you don't already know what that is and you don't have to SBR it. ATF approved
Re: NFA. General public needs to be educated on the "WHY': the 2nd Amendment was added to the BILL OF RIGHTS, and having pounded into their heads that the purpose was to ensure that John Q Public was armed to the SAME LEVEL as forces under government control PERIOD. The purpose being to keep the gov honest / fearful of the citizenry , and to ensure if gov ran amuck the citizenry would be able to remove them.
As it is Anti-Gun Politicians have what 10- 30+ armed to the teeth body guards with the latest state of the art weapons, driving armor plated vehicles, wearing body armory, IR vision, etc guarding them 24/7.... and they want the citizenry DISARMED.
NFA act(s) are all illegal, It is a "infringement" upon the Right to Keep and Bear arms...
Oh, I have a funny feeling that having your name in NFA registry will not be a "good-thing" long term.
Not good people to have your "name" on a "weapons list".
************************
Oh, many, many years ago I read a article by Neal Knox who wrote a column in Shotgun News.
From memory around 1860 Anti-Gunners wanted only Military and Police to be allowed to process the all new "Metallic Cartridge" guns, Civilians being BANNED from owning them.
Quotes from Anti-Gunners:
"Splits hot lead like Mt. "(A Volcano erupting at the time.)
"Has MORE firepower than a whole regiment of soldiers"
"A man armed with one of these cannot be taken"
"There is no need for persons to own such a weapon"
"Has no "sporting use"
Why is the above IMPORTANT ? Well the people back then realized the purpose of the 2nd Amendment was that Civilians be armed at the SAME LEVEL as Gov Controlled Forces and that "Technology" would advance weaponry over TIME.
Fast forward to 1986, The Hughes Firearm owners Protection Act"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act
A sad day for all Americans that value freedom.
What the idiots of today need to realize is the Hughes Act has FROZEN weapon technology for CIVILIANS at the 1986 level... and that MILITARY AND POLICE weapons are allowed to advance.
Net effect of this ?.... in 200 yrs Military and Police will have ENERGY WEAPONS like seen on Star Trek, Stargate, Sci-Fi shows that can shoot thru 20ft of reinforced concrete and civilians will have nothing equivalent, if not being totally disarmed.
See the problem people ?
Gun owners and all that value their freedom need to get behind the 2nd Amendment. Founding Fathers had it right people.
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I really like mine. It works great. I just wish the slide/magazine didn’t get so dirty. Is this what it’s like to run a suppressor?
Coat the front of the slide area of your Glock pistol liberally with oil and it will wipe clean a lot easier. Don't run these with a dry gun.
How much is that running ?
So there is flex between the g17 and the Roni that makes it inaccurate.
Yes there's just a bit of wiggle between the two that takes away from its accuracy. However, it needs to be mentioned that it's not bad and what this set up is meant for makes it not that big of an issue. This is a CQC weapon set up and I have found it plenty accurate for that purpose. I just make sure folks know that this is not meant for making head shots at 25 yards if a hostage is in the way, that flex could cause a problem.
i you had to choose between between a caa micro roni for glock 19 or a keltek sub2000 which would it be. my every day carry is glock 19. I want to have something in my car bag that will gve me a little better accuracy in case of extreme emergency.
I'd probably still chose the Micro RONI because of its concealability. However, if accuracy is your main concern then go with this one. It's more accurate because the optic is directly mounted to the slide. ua-cam.com/video/FEL8ow5gf2o/v-deo.html
agreed but then I would have to do paper work for sbr. I am going to get the roni. putting optics on the sub2000 is another 300. the roni is another 100. I will get the roni that will give me a little more influence at longer range should the need arise. something I will never need that I will put it with all the other stuff I hope I never need. thanks
ok next question. I have decided to get the micro roni for my glock 19. lets say am a meat and potatoes guy, total minimalist. lets say I want optics on the roni. what should I go with. as small as possible. low profile
Will it work with a 3rd party compensator mounted on the G17?
I just discovered the micro roni . One of the you tube videos said that the chassis and 17 do not need to be SBR ed ? With the folding stock and short barrel ? Sound B'S to me what is your opinion ?
There is a non NFA version with an arm brace that doesn't have to be used with a registered pistol.
mine has a big problem. totally useless.
when i shoot the door opens and the glock move..
Hit them up for a fix. As you saw, mine has issues with the QD sling mount.
Abner Miranda i m in contact with caa. they said they will ship another one because i have an old model and there s a problem ot is fixed now on new ones.
i wait. fot months..
i shot it one time months ago :(
Abner Miranda are you sure ypur qd mount is long enough ? i just bought oke in china on aliexpress for 2 bucks and works fine
Yeah I've tried three different ones.
Abner Miranda contact caa. they have a good customer service
Whats your opinion on ar9 platforms?
Don't know if I missed it but can swap stocks with that? Switch to the stabilizer? Or add a buffer? Thanks
What optic do you have attached there? Thanks!
How is it holding up? Have you got any problems with it?
I only had it for a short time. It's test model that had to go back to CAA.
The flashlight doesn't fit for the Micro RONI 17. Still waiting for Command Arms to get back to me.
Alden Morris over all I think it's pretty good but there are still some minor things they need to address. Mine wouldn't take any of the QD's I tried with it. Growing pains are so fun.
Hey Alden, any update on the QD issue ? I'm having the same problem ... did you try the factory QD ?
just a flashlight issue. they sent the wrong housing but are sending the correct one now
oh sorry ...lol, I meant to type Abner and typed Alden but glad to know you got the flashlight sorted out... any issues with your QD ?
works fine but I am honestly not impressed by it lol
Can i add a extended barrel to the glock on this kit like you did on the KPOS?
Nope the cowling won't allow it.
Ive noticed you run the L3 MRDS quite a bit. Do you prefer it over the RMR?
Yes it's easier to zero than an RMR and it never seems to lose that zero. I'm not saying the RMR's lose their zero I'm just saying that the MRDS is an overall better optic to work with. It's no down side is that the lens is made of polymer and is not as scratch resistant as the RMR.
how has the reliability been I noticed your later video using the Fab Glock stock. Which is best in your opinion. Thanks great work.
I prefer the FAB stock to the RONI. With an optic directly mounted to the slide accuracy is better.
Tier 1 Citizen Yeah I bet it is. The Roni looks fantastic but I bet zero would be everywhere with the Roni. I'm working on a prototype Glock chassis right now. Hopefully have a working model out soon. I'll send you video link once I have it ready. I think you might deside to change again. I would love you feedback with all the work you've done with the Glock SBR series of videos.
Danny Little you have my interest sir. Most definitely let me know when it's available to look at.
Tier 1 Citizen I will sir thanks.
What do you mean by get your glock spr?
Get your Glock SBR'd. As in, register it as an SBR before using it in the Micro RONI.
oh....ok.......can I do this online & if I can do you by chance know the web site..thanks
Get a hold of an ATF Form-1 and follow the instructions.
hi,
nice vid thank you. I have a question. What's the name of the company that makes that finger rest in front of the handrail. Where to buy this item.
All componentes on the RONI can be bought from Command Arms Accessories. If you're referring to the other weapon that foregrip is known as the FGGK and you can buy it from Botach.com
Thank you so much. I found it.
Is this taking the place of your Glock stock rig? What is the optic your running on this one ? Thanks for the video
No this is just a loaner. I am running the MRDS from Insight Technologies.
Now that the ATF has backtracked their vague opinion letter that was never gonna hold a candle to the law and we free citizens can shoulder braces without additional annoyances, not worries, but annoyances, getting the braced version of the Micro Roni does seem like an option. If you are afraid of leaving your hard earn money paid sbr or truck gun while you walk away from it but want a force multiplier, get something like this that can interface with your carry pistol. I carry a Glock 19 and they make one for it. I kinda wish they merged a previous variant that has a spare mag in the back, but keeping an extra fun stick along with this rig, you can instantly deploy it and push back against a threat even harder.
Recently, I've only been carrying a short barreled AR pistol in 300 with a collapsing/adjustable brace because in a shorter barrel and at the distances a specific attack can happen, the .300 blackout is very effective in a shorter barrel while a 5.56 is not as much.
Have you found the arm brace to be too sort or just right on the pistol version of this adapter?
I haven't tried the brace version of the Micro Roni. The length of pull looks right but I am a bit confused with some of advertisements for the brace variants. Some of them have the angled grip in the front but then there's several versions where it has the brace in the back but the front end looks like it's the slot for the spare mag hold. I thought they couldn't do that because it turns it into a vertical grip
I thought the length of pull looked too short on the brace version. Also, you're correct, they can't do the vertical grip/mag holder because it represents one of the NFA criteria for being an SBR.
Then why do they advertise one with the brace with the mag holder?
You'll have to ask CAA that question. I'm not privy to the rulings of the firearms technologies branch.
Atf cashed my check its time to order one.
Hot dog!
Saludos Abner, Es costoso?
Hi Alejandro. No it's not too expensive. The prices are going up on them so if you're interested you may want to get on it.
Is it hard to sbr your Glock with the nfa?
took a full calender year.
Why do you put your name in the title of every video, if it's the same name as your channel?
That's a really good question. When I first set up my channel I had no idea what I was doing. UA-cam has been a great big learning process for me. Your question actually came up last year when I was trying to come up with the title for a relatively complicated video and realized that my name in the mix was causing a problem. Thanks for the reminder, I think it's time to go ahead and remove my name from all the videos now that I understand that people can find my channel, and my videos without needing my name in front of each one.
Can some one explain to me how he will have some problems if he did not alter the Glock?!
You lost me on that one Antoine.
A glock is designed to be shot from the hand, adding a frame and stock will change the dynamics and forces acting on the gun when firing. Fortunately the reliability is increased with a system like the micro roni but there might be a slight penalty in terms of wear and tear.
There definitely is added wear and tear on the Glock. It's worth it for the added accuracy.
do you need a stamp or permit to buy this?
No you don't but you do need to register your Glock as an SBR is you're going to use the Micro RONI.
not anymore you dont.
Really?
Did you pay a tax stamp or did you just buy it?
The Glock is a registered SBR and the Micro RONI was on loan from CAA.
Abner Miranda thank you for replying. I have one more question now, so now that you took the glock out of the Roni is it illegal to carry it because it was registered as an sbr?
Nope not at all. I presently use it in my GS17 set up. Have a look. ua-cam.com/video/D72ot-ff8ws/v-deo.html
Are these legal in California?
Victor Padilla
No...NOTHING is legal in Commie-fornia.
I didn't know a pistol wasn't a weapon!
No the RONI isn't a weapon just an adapter. A pistol is indeed a weapon.
No.... your MIND is the weapon..... ; )
How would you say it compares to the Fab defense KPOS?
This is better than the KPOS. The accuracy is a bit better. It is certainly easier to use too.
wow, aren't laws funny...
Here in France the micro roni "SBR" adaptors are free to own if you are 18.
To tax and no background check, just walk in, pay your cash and leave with them.
Same goes with suppressors.
Illegal to purchase in NJ. Why? because it looks "scary". Sigh..............
I think I didn't have a malfunction.
caa should sell it in basic form and leave it to the customer if they want a vertical or angled foregrip...stock or stabilizing brace....dont have to help the customer to comply with the law...let the customer decide LOL
Liberals be like: "ooh, it's still a 9mm pistol but it is much more deadly because it looks like an SMG"
Assault Pistol