I’ve been reading so many threads and blogs lately trying to differentiate between these 2 pedals and a Pearl one, and this video was probably the most useful thing I found. Thank you for packing all that info into this video! 👌
Thank you!! That's 10000% the reason I made the video. Everyone seems to just say, pedal x is best. But why? No one ever talks about the floorboards or other functions. Yes there is the Tama coil underneath the footboard. Even though I doubt it makes that much of a difference. But ya I wanted to document the actual differences.
Great video. I'm currently deciding between Iron Cobra and 5000. I also thought about longer version of DW pedal so Your video helps a lot. Keep it up!
Thats awesome man!!! Ya every forum out there is like, buy the DW, buy The IC. It's like we'll why? The answer is always like bc the other one sux. So I had to buy all of them to try out and I was like you know maybe more people need to actually know what the real differences are. I tell ya I loved the IC playability over the regular dw5000 but only because the 10inch vs 11 inch foot board. So my size 13 foot had a nicer are to play on the IC. But the DW with the XF makes it pretty much an even playing field. I love my DW 5000 accelerator with the XF
Dude the ics have better feel 30 year drummer here and for the most natural feeling and most connected response go ic , 5000 and 9000 are on the better side but your looking at a similar feel on all dw pedals a sort of loose and smooth stroke but ic reaact when you want them too more connected being the key thing here
Good info, brother. What made your video stand out to me was the MEASUREMENT! I currently play BOTH Iron Corbra & DW [rehearsal studio set & home practice set] I've adjusted the spring tension, beater angle/position as close as poss to each other & they ARE very similar; BUT, another factor I've come to realize in trying to get the 2 pedals to feel the same is the tension of the actual bass batter head has a lot to do with the feel of the pedal due to rebound; even though the pedals were identically adjusted, the pedals felt different exclusively because one of my bass heads was tighter than the other!! Took me awhile to realize & I was getting very frustrated trying to figure out why my feet played better on my practice set vs. studio set.....it's crazy how many factors play into pedal feel.
Yes there are many factors. Found if I uses the Dw beater on the IC it felt like the dw. And if I uses the IC beater on the DW it felt like the IC. I liked both so much! I actually just got the double version of the dw5000xf and I love it! I almost went with the IC900 double but I really like the dw5000xf single pedal alot.
Thanks for pointing out the differences between the two pedals. It helps when your making a choice on a new pedal. I've had Speed Kings (2) ever since 1967 and they have never failed me on a gig. I've had a early Camco and it was very good but didn't hold up very well, though I liked the feel of it. So the interest in DW. I've been a playing professional musical since 1967. That says a lot for the Speed Kings. Tama from what I seen of your video and others is front runner with DW a very close second. Heres the rub; kick pedals ( And all equipment really) is" to know it you have to use it" under your working conditions to know if it's the right fit for you. So unbiased info is a big help in narrowing the field down.
I'm wicked happy I could help!!! I think alot of people forget that I'm trying to point out the factual differences. Like in all honesty I didn't feel that much of a difference between the IC900 and the dw5000XF. But everywhere I have read or video I have watched never really shown the real differences between the pedals. It took me having to buy all 3 with my own money and deciding what worked best for me. But the difference in the footboard and measurements can make the difference between the 2 pedals.
Just got myself a Tama Speed Cobra having used a DW8000 (yup…a rare effort to bridge the 5000 and 9000!) and the Speed Cobra is INCREDIBLE! by comparison. Like my brain and pedal now have a super fast direct link. ❤❤
Thanks a lot! You helped me a lot with understanding the selection criteria. I choose between the cheap DIXON PP P2D dual pedals and the TAMA Speed Cobra 310.
@@johnathan.jerusik I'm waiting for delivery in Russia next week (I'll write a review, I'm just a beginner drummer). Pedals with conventional springs. Recently there was an ad for Ozone Global - Tama Speed Cobra 310 under $ 250. but this delivery is longer (and I already ordered Dixon for ~ $ 216). Let's see what Dixon is (otherwise they are already talking about precision springs, I want to understand what quality in general).
Because of my size 13 feet I went with the 310 Speed Cobras long footboard. After playing mid tier pedals I found them almost too fast! But after adjusting to them they are starting to feel like an extension of my foot. Really like them.
Ya that is a good shout!! I find it depends on what you can get use too. Like I didn't care for the dw9000 but love the dw5000. I liked the iron cobra 200 alot didn't like the 600 but love the 900. And the dyna sync are amazing!!
Used to to own dw 5000s and dw 9000s. Sold them both for iron cobras and speed cobras and man it’s a huge difference for me. I guess my feet personally and playing style Tama pedals are perfect for me and feel so much smoother and faster and comfortable. I could never dial in the dw pedals the exact way I wanted them to feel.
Same experience for me. I am also a drummer/guitar player who plays more guitar than drums but have been considering an upgrade of my DW hi-hat. I too, could never get the DW HH quite right - thought it was me.
The beaters that come with DW pedals are notoriously heavy; I ended up having to switch to the lighter beaters they make. The drive shafts also wear down noticeably after a few years which really upsets me. I now have a Dyna-Sync. Beast of a double pedal.
Nice review with some good valid point of views. I use 13 shoes so I went for the cobras. I had them for 15 years and still are like new. Rock solid and quality product. I have the double power glide pedal though, the only "negative" i can say is that the slave is not nearly as perfect as the main.
I think that's the case with alot of pedals. The canopus bearings make a big difference. I hated my dw7000 double pedal. Thought it was worn out and shot. I got the canopus bearing and the pedals is way better than what it use to be. More fluid and glides so much better. I'm no death metal drummer but I can keep a steady double easier now.
I had the DWs back in the 90s and they were great but didn’t hold up. Started to get a click from the cam and the pedal started to feel off from what I had a feel for. Sold them and got the iron cobra. Great pedal and totally solid. Had that pedal for 10 years and no problems. Now I play the Pearl demon direct drive. Freakin expensive pedal but I have a friend that works for Pearl and I got the employee discount. Gotta say it’s the best pedal I’ve ever played.
Great video, also have big feet, noticed that I was having trouble finding space for techniques in normal pedals, got the Pearl Demon Drives and they are still on the small side besides being a longboard conversion, now could do most of the techniques I wanted to try but... I still kicked it up a notch, so I went full on long board and got myself some Trick pedals with the long board which is MASSIVE but so comfortable, now my feet are not looking so hard for the sweet spot or for space to do that heal rebound. Now my toes constantly hitting the chain in the look for space is a thing of the past.
@@johnathan.jerusik Well, Tricks are a system in which you can interchange parts and tweek them from chain to DD, and so on until you love them, cause they are an investment for life, but I get ya, for me it was as easy as out of the box, factory settings.
@@jamesnikki5 I can see that and 100% agree! They were some of the nicest pedals. I just couldn't dial that in right. I would like to retry them again. They are some of the best built and quality pedals out there.
I've always preferred the feel of DW pedals, despite owning various brands of pedals, including Tama. I was originally going to get the 5000s, but I was too indecisive between the accelerator and turbo models, that I ended up taking the plunge on a 9000 double pedal, as it's capable of both. Still trying to fine tune it and find the settings I like, but it's as solid as a rock. I like how it came with a set of straps, and I'm thinking about taking the chains off and trying out the straps. I think the 200 dollar price difference between the 5000s and 9000s is due to all the bells and whistles they flood into the 9000s. It's definitely one of those pedals you have to spend time fine tuning and adjusting
I love alot of the quality of the DW pedals. The IC allowed me to realize I did like the 11inch board vs the 10. But that also could be 100% my technique vs others. I have a dw7000 with the turbo cam so I was use to that but when I played the accelerator cam it added power to when I play. I felt like it allowed more consistently with my hits. I actually had a dw9000 for a little while and it was a great pedal but I had the same issue. I could not dial it in. I felt the cam never went fully turbo or fully accelerator. I ended up returning it. Strap vs Chain is incredible!!! I did convert my dw7000 double pedal to strap drives and I love it!!! There I a "lighter" feeling to it, but it's way more responsive! To me I think strap is the best option. Ok I'm going to try to explain what I mean. When ever you have a point of contact you create friction. So with a chain, every link in the chain crates a movable point of contact which causes friction and responsiveness to decrease. With a direct drive you have less, but! You still have a few points with contact that need additional bearings in order for the mechanics to work properly. With a strap it connects to the cam then to the footboard. The newer straps are made of materials that don't stretch and are stiff enough that they don't bend as easly while playing like. So in my honest opinion I say strap is probably the best out there.
@@johnathan.jerusik what I'm enjoying right now about the 9000s is how robust it is. The thing is as solid as a rock, and I can trust that it's not going to move, or even deform. I think a lot of the not moving part has to do with the rubber on the bottom, but I feel like that, plus how dense the pedal is, it really just does not move when I'm playing it. I know there's a setting that feels amazing, because I've played a 9000 that felt godlike, but I don't know how it was set up. I feel like the 9000s are like Remo drumheads. Not entirely great out of the box, but the longer you spend tuning them and setting them up, the more they become better than the competition. I've had the pleasure of trying out DW's MFG pedal, and it's hands down the best pedal I've ever played, I just can't afford it
I truly feel that at a certain point, there is absolutely such a thing as TOO MANY OPTIONS (hehe). I read about the ACD Darwin double pedal & I can't imagine trying to dial in 86 settings on a main & slave pedal. Insanity would ensue.
@@mcmarine777 since I wrote my comments, I swapped the chains on my 9000s out for the straps, and they snapped after one session, and their customer service did not help at all. Not to mention straining my back trying to adjust the beater angle (because DW likes to put the adjustment points in incredibly awkward places). I'm not one to be extremely negative, but I actually regret buying the 9000s. At least with the Darwins, the spring system has a meter on it, and it's so much easier to actually loosen and tighten it. Not to mention how compact it is, and how well thought-out the overall design is, and that it doesn't seem completely over-engineered like a lot of other pedals on the market (looking at you, Trick). Plus, Dennis just comes across as a genuine guy. I'd love to actually buy a Darwin pedal, but I don't have that kinda money. The Mapex Falcons felt good when I tried them, but I've never used one for an extensive period of time
This is the M Night Shyamalan twist ending of drum pedal reviews. Yeah, I totally wasn't expecting that! Lol. I've got the IC and absolutely love it, but as you pointed out, the clamp mech is a lil clumsy and just a bit wonky, and the wingnut on it is a lil cheap and uninspired. If Tama does another minor upgrade on this pedal, that whole mechanism would be a good thing to revamp. I don't think I have any other gripes on the IC pedal tho, they're undeniably killer units
I'm really happy you liked it!!! That was my biggest issue with the IC too. The pedal has so many great features but I found myself struggling alot more to get it to sit flat, plus like I said going to my electronic kit was a whole nother thing.
I only wish the Cobra had full sprockets to better control the overall impact of the pedal. It has more of a catapult feel which is great, but the chain is may tend to whiplash. The Dw is perfect in that area, but it can be a little ridged. Great grip and reliable. I'm a Tama player, but I respect and love both drum companies.
I have tons of respect for your comment! And I agree, both companies put out a solid product. I have had so many people just bash on one company or another. To me my final decision wasn't about the brand, it was about the function and features.
Dw pedals have a weighted feel ....cobras more easy to maneuver. Both great. All preferences. Although I had a dw 3000 and I snapped the footboard in two!!! Dw did replace it. But I've heard others doing this. Nice video
Thats crazy! My dw7000s are 10 plus years old haven't had that issue. My 5000xf is very sturdy feeling. And the weighted difference I feel comes with the beaters. I actually switched the cobra and 5000 and they felt basically the opposite. Like the cobra with dw beater felt like the dw. The dw machined beaters with the adjustable weights are amazing and really makes a huge difference on my dw7000s. That pedal felt not great until I did some upgrades.
I had to make the same choice and went with the Iron Cobra Power Glide. I feel that the fit, finish, and playability of the Iron Cobra is superior. I can go from very hard hitting to soft playing very easily with the Cobra and it feels very smoothe and silky to play. The DW 5000 felt a bit sluggish to me and actually took more effort to play. However, that's just me and YMMV.
The ic is an amazing option! I like the dw for that reason. I wouldn't call it sluggish more, ok great example. The dw is like a machete and the ic is like a fliet knives. The ic is fast, and is very precise. The dw is more power more punch. But I feel like that also comes to the beaters. Like when I did my experiments I switched the beaters and it was hard to even feel a difference. I had played a ic200 single chain drive with the bigger beater and it felt alot heavier than the ic900 version. To me if I'm playing doom and rock the dw has that extra weight where is I want to play fast the ic really does shine there. But there are plenty of people who play fast with dw and plenty who play slower with IC
I have the Tama Iron Cobra 900 series (blacked out)... I love everything about the pedal except the mount. That mount is such a pain. My old DW 9000 was much easier to attach. Basically for the same reason you said... i use this on 2 different kits. When I swap between I have to readjust it.
See, I feel like if tama just re did the toe clamp that would of been the 100% no doubt winner! But truth, if I put the tama beater on the dw it felt like I was playing the tama. It's like the coke vs Pepsi. Once people see it with there eyes it's game over. But in the blind tests most can't tell the difference.
Hey Man great video! I have a question, I’m looking at buying my first double pedal, the DW 9000. If I’m doing a show where I don’t need the double pedal, will it convert down to a single? Cheers
Working in a drumshop in a city with a big music scene i remember seeing 100s of dw 5000 pedals with broken hinges broken footboards and worn cam teeth.. and of course the famous clicking and binding feel they develope after heavy use .. that said i never had any of tnese problems using them
I had an iron cobra for a long time and never could get it to be comfortable, It always felt sluggish. I got my hands on a dw 5000 single I e been playing for quite awhile and it really slams, I've always been a bit weak with my bass drum sound and the dw 5000 seems to make up for it a lot. I've been looking for a good deal on a new dw 5000 for awhile, hopefully I'll get one soon. I believe the sprocket drive of the dw 5000 makes the chain pull a lot stronger and more powerful.
Would love to see your opinion between the dw5000 xf and the Tama Speed Cobra? Seeing as though that’s Tama’s version of a longer footboard pedal. Those are currently the two I’m deciding between without being able to really try them out and know for myself.
The speed cobra has a 13 inch board. I haven't tried the speed cobras but I have played the dyna sonic. I really liked them. Thought they felt great. I will say even though the difference between a regular dw vs a dwxf vs a longboat is only a few inches, I do feel like you gain and loose some advantages. Shorter the board the more power more twack you can get. The longer the board the more speed you can get. That's how it feels to me. I like the 11inch board like on the dwxf or the IC900s because I feel like you still get a nice bit of control, speed, and power. Example, i actually had bought and returned the trick pedals longboards because I lost all of my power. Same with the higher end yamaha pedals. I forget the model its the one that looks like a race car. But there was no power. No matter how I set up the pedal. I could t get that umph. The 10 inch boards you get so much power but to some it feels "clunky". To me my foot felt cramped. The 11inch boards feel like I still get power and speed.
Yes, I have said that to others on here that I did fail to mention that. But in my defense that is a spec that you can find almost everywhere, and many have pointed that difference out. I was trying to go for the size comparison and the features that aren't shown or discussed. Like the 10 inch DW footplate vs the IC 11inch.
Can you attach the footboard and hinge from the DW 5000XF to the Iron Cobra? I love the hinge from DW and love the features from the Tama...hope to hear from you... Gr Daan
I'm so sorry I miss this! Apparently UA-cam didn't tell me about a bunch of comments. I have heard of people changing hinges. I'm not 100% sure. There should be a video on UA-cam. Thats how I learned how to convert my chain drive to strap drive.
I recently bought my first drum set. A tama imperialstar. It came with their cheapest pedal. Hp30? I think. I've never played anything else but I'd imagine at some point I'll be upgrading. I did update my hi-hat stand to a Tama speedcobra 310. Well actually I lied. I bought it because I also bought a ekit and didn't want to switch the hi-hat everytime going back and forth between the kits lol. I had to buy the ekit cuz I severely underestimated how loud and acoustic kit is. Right now I'm moving my kick pedal back and forth.
Ya acoustic drums can be a bit much. I actually did sell my electric kit. But I tell ya I think electronic kits are so inexpensive now I think alot of smaller clubs and venues should look into them. No more putting mics on drums. No more checking every level. Just plan in one cable.
The older dw pedals didn't have that swiveling spring. I have a 5000 from probably around 2008 or so and it doesnt have that feature. Same with the fancy clamp that has those 3 points of contact to the drum hoop, it just has a regular clamp.
I have had both. I currently have and use the DW5000. They are both amazing pedals. Although, if I had the money to buy only one pedal, I would take the Tama Iron Cobra, ANY DAY, ALL DAY, EVERYDAY. Is a lot more product for your money. This is a personal criteria. Go try both, and decide.
It's funny because after I made the video, I started modifying my dw7000. And I feel like if you were to combine both pedals strengths it would be the ultimate pedal. Like the tama speed ring, the dw toe clamp, the tama footboard, the dw beater. Dw hinges. But that would probably make them more expensive
Maybe I could help you! There's the 200 which is a single chain. Feels great. Basic pedal. The 600s which have a switchable cam. So you can have the rounded cam or power cam. The 900 which is like the standard IC. You have to choose which you like better, turbo or power cams. Then there is the speed cobra. That comes in a 300 and a 900 series. Basically the speed cobra has an even longer footboard. The 300 is great the 900 is amazing. Then you have the dyna sync or sonic? Can't remember the name. Direct drive version of basically the speed cobra 900s. Personally, I like the dyna they feel amazing!
I have PDP Concept Dual Peds 🤘😎 ... Did you end up going Cobra? That would have been my choice hands down. I like the CAM adjustments on the Iron Cobra's or TAMA kick pedals period
@@johnathan.jerusik I hear that, I have spent so much money on my drums dude, mine is actually a homebrew edrum kit I've been workin' on for almost a year now... Im using currently: a converted 16" Floor tom as my kicker 12" snare 8" tom, 10' tom' another 10' then a 12' for my floors, a low volume set of cymbal I converted to ECymbal 18,20, 16, remote high hat system using GoDrum trigger housing with 2 of the low volume 14's an Extra 10, on my left for a dry punchy snare sound, PDP Concept Pedals with Dbl Bass Trick Drums Universal ...The remote High Hat Pedal is a Griffin but I modified for smooth actuating... ( Im a heavy foot anyway really) All Powered by a modded Roland TD10-TDW-1 Extended drum module running through extra software on my computer routed to ALESIS 2000W Monitors via a Behringer Interface & Dehummer module which I run a an electric guitar through as well ( Im still trying to learn just getting good callouses on my fingertips, cant play for shit though) So I feel ya brother, shit gets expensive... I just add as I go and try to make improvements, now if I could just stop stick slappin' and rim shotting every GODSMACK song I play along with I might make an alright drummer haha
@@JohnnyMooreJohnnyBobs3DDesignz that's amazing!!! Dude you got some skills!! A 16 inch floor tom for a e kit bass drum is a killer idea! And thank you for the sub! I appreciate that
Great video. Used to play both pedals switched back to the iron cobra from the dw cause the iron cobra has independent footboard and beater angle adjustment. I know u could lengthen or shorten the chain on the dw to get a similar adjustment but ugh what a hassle.
Thank you for the feedback!!! I agree about the adjustments. The dw half link chian type system seems more frustrating especially when your not sure if you will like the adjustment or not. I lucked out that I liked the boards on both pedals out of the box
@@johnathan.jerusik i went over to a pearl demon drive direct drive from the iron cobra and havent looked back. The spherical bearing as opposed to lateral is an interesting feel. Too bad the new tama dyna sync wasnt out yet or i would tried that too.
@@richardskalnik8633 I got to try one of the dyna sync and they are really great!!! I don't love the hoop clamp but I really liked it alot! But the only complaint is it didn't blow me away to justify the price. I thought it was amazing! And great feel great power. But it wasn't like wow I don't want to play anything else. I also did try a dw9000 and didn't like it at all! As much as I do like dw the 9000 felt smooth because I felt like it was over compensating for being so overbuilt and clunky. I'm not sure if that makes sense. I havent got to try the pearl yet. I want to. But my thing is I am a single bass pedal guy. I do heel toe to get me that "Bonham" triplet type thing. (I know he didn't invent it just the best way I can describe it). So for me there's a certain cost where I feel most things hit where there's a cost of what you get evens out. Like the 5000 vs the 9000. Does the 9000 have all these wicked cool bells and whistles? Yes! Does it help it play any better? Not really. I didnt feel like it played better than the 5000. Like the 9000 and 5000 felt different but not enough to justify the price. Plus the dw9002xf that I tried is like around 700-750? But it's around 700 bucks and then it's a made over seas item. I know that's nothing new. And many companies do this. But for 100 bucks more your looking at the trick pedals which a CNC aluminum pedal that are made in the US. But im off subject. I guess I'm trying to explain is justifying the price of a unit. I been debating just taking the time to update and upgrade my dw7000 double.
@@johnathan.jerusik yeah $6-700 for a pedal is crazy. I personally bought my double pedal used so it was half off. U can find em for $300 in great condition all day. Just put new dw control beaters on it and went to the races
@@richardskalnik8633 ya those new beaters look amazing!! Ya I the used market is crazy right now. Nothing in the stores and everyone wants top dollar. I had a 5150 2x12 combo amp that was in great shape. I had it up for 500 bucks. That's what I bought it for thats what I was going to sell it for. A guy messaged me and complained that my price seemed too cheap..... I was like ok put it up to 700 then he stopped talking to me. I was like why are you going to complain? But ha I already have the dw conversions to take a pedals from chain to strap drive. So I think I'm going to upgrade my bearings in my dw7000, put the strap cams and straps on and maybe get those new DW beaters. Then see how the pedals comes out.
As someone who had an opportunity to play dw5000, dw9000, iron cobras and speed cobra, and I'm also a guy who played both an electronic and an acoustic drum kit, and I have size 11 feet, I decided to go with the Speed Cobra. The feeling is amazing, smooth, fast and powerful. It's effortless to play, really. And I had no issues with the clamp and changing kits, I'm not sure what kind of problem did you have. DW5000 is a great pedal, but just like you I found it to be narrow and short and a bit unstable if I'm playing on a stage that's not rock solid. I would say, to anyone trying to figure out which pedal to get, you cannot go wrong here, really. I consider Tama's pedals to be a little sturdier, but that's just my experience with their hardware in general. Great video! 👍
The Iron Cobra absolutely has a sprocket. Look at the top of the cam where the chain is clamped down and you'll see the sprocket poking thru the chain. The real difference is the Tama has felt under the sprocket to reduce noise while the DW doesn't. You can buy different cams Power Glide, Rolling Glide (chains) and Flexi Glide (strap) to make the pedal however you like. Besides the drum key the bearing at the top of the spring is far superior to the plastic sleeve that the DW uses. That bearing also makes it easy to just lift the spring off of the shaft to take tension off and lay the beater down to store it in its case. And speaking of cases, the Tama comes in a hard plastic case and the DW comes in a soft bag. I own and use both but the Tama is just an all around better pedal IMO. The 7000 vs 900 is a much better comparison to me. Thanks for making the video!
I agree with everything you said. My main point in this video was try too highlight difference that I have never seen in any forum, or online anywhere. I didnt not see the teeth on the IC I had, dosent mean they weren't there, my main thing was I bought these pedals with my own money and returned what didn't work for me. Maybe the newer IC have just a screw system. That's what mine looked like. But again I didn't want to "ruin" anything. Personally I love taking stuff apart. I converted my dw7000 to belt drive and love it! And yes the IC speed ring system is something I forgot to point out. That alone make a huge difference in how the pedals play. I did that upgrade to my dw7000 and man I need to do this to my dw5000xf. I cannot recall the dw system if it's plastic. I know its a ball bearing and just kinda blah. For the case issue. I have heard pros and cons of both. Some people hate the hard case. I thought it was a great addition. But thank you for liking the video!!
Actually no, the Tama Iron Cobra cam (LiteSprocket) does NOT have teeth. hoshinogakki.co.jp/pdf/tama/world/support/parts/hardware/single_pedal/HP900PNHP900RN.pdf
@@PaulMarangoni, actually every version of the IC cam has multiple pairs of sprocket teeth except the Lite Sprocket which has a single pair of sprocket teeth which are clearly visible in any photo of the cam.
Based on how much of the threads I can see, it looks like you have your spring really tight. I keep mine almost as loose as it can go. My pedals (old DW 5000 single chain) don't have the rocker thing under the spring, and I've never even come close to breaking a spring. Beyond that, I don't know if the rocker is very useful, like if it affects the feel enough to matter. Pearl was the first company to make a sprocketless chain drive pedal, back in the 80s. I had that before I got my DWs, and it's hard to say what difference there was, if any, as we're talking about two completely different pedals. I did feel the DWs were slightly smoother overall, but whether or not that can be attributed to the sprocket is questionable. My DWs had the Accelerator sprocket, but as my technique improved, something about it didn't feel quite right to me. I ended up switching to the Turbo sprocket. It just seems to do what I expect the pedals to do, whereas the Accelerator felt like I had less control, and any gains in speed or power were negligible. I also got rid of the DW beaters and switched to Trick titanium beaters, which made a huge difference. I still prefer my single chain pedals to any double chain - they have a much lighter feel. I want to try strap, just because they require less maintenance, but I don't like DW's strap drive. Unfortunately, the Sonor Perfect Balance is single pedal only, and the Darwin FTW costs too much.
Thank you for the feedback!! I agree my spring tension was too tight! I have since loosened the spring tension and it has become way better!! The accelerator vs the turbo I can see what you mean. For my style foot technique I find when I hit with my heel I get a bit more umph. But im not anti turbo! The dw7000 is a turbo. To be fair the spring I had on my pedal was really really old but it also could be that I had it to tight as well. I havent played many pearls so I can't say to much on them. I wish more companies did a single chain. I was playing the lower end iron cobra the 200, and it was great! But I could tell if they did a put lower quality parts on it. I would like to try the dw5000 single chain. That looks fun! I am currently converting my dw7000 to be strap drive. And it is not easy which stinks. I wish the dw9000 wasn't the only model that can convert to strap. For the beaters I do have the new DW beaters that have the adjustable weights. That's the next deep dive is trying different beaters. I have heard those low boys, the wooden ones, are really nice
That's a awesome question! And ya I do actually feel like there is a difference. The I still have my 7000s and switch back and forth. I do feel like there is more tension with the 7000s. The 5000 feels like it's a bit smoother, bit easier to play and less tension.
@@johnathan.jerusik thanks man, I really appreciate the reply and your thoughts on it. Nothing beats real-world experience. I am considering buying a friend's set of 7002 double pedals, and upgrading the spring bearings to Canopus Speed Bearings and upgrading the drive shaft to a Trick shaft.
I tried the DW500 and found it heavy and lacking the precision of the Iron Cobra. I even like my 1978 Speed King more than the DW5000. Thanks for the video.
I can see that!!! I think for me when it comes to single pedals, the more style I play (and the fact I'm a 6 ft tall 300 pound guy) the dw works to have that heavier feel to give me extra punch. For double pedal, way different story!!! I actually really want to try speed cobra double, or the tama direct drive double they have. Those look killer!! Mario from Gojira started playing those recently, and his foot work seems to have gotten tighter. But I also talk with the drummer of Zao here and there he suggested the Trick direct drives. So I agree with you, but I also think k it depends on the application. If the dw5000 didn't come in the XF I would of stuck with the IC 900. I havent touched those dw7000s since trying the IC and the dw5000. Even the IC 200s play better and feel better than the dw7000. Maybe it's my 7000s are really old. But ya when I get a new double kick I'm gonna look at tama or trick.
Makes sense I’m 6’0”, weigh 195 and have size 12 foot, so I’m not what you can call a big guy, moreover I play heel down, even songs like Tom Sawyer and By-Tor and The Snow Dog. I play mainly classic rock, bossa nova and some jazz, so a lighter pedal feels more natural. I do have a double pedal Iron Cobra for specific fills and the versatility is off the charts. It sounds like you play heel up most of the time. The DW5000 is perfect for that style. For my heel down style it felt cumbersome. I’m so much a heel down player that even the song Don’t Bring Me Down by Riot I play heel down.
@@dick91p yes!! I can see that in the heel down I totally agree!! I feel like the accelerator cam on the dw5000 helps. I tried the turbo cam, which is the round traditional style, and I hated it!!! Even on the dw5000. That's what the dw7000 has and I have always felt it was very lacking in so many ways! I tried alot of pedals. From 80 bucks up to 320 and out of all I noticed the accelerator cam, or on the IC the power cam felt way better and for both heel down or up. Mostly I am a heel up unless I want to play more light a subtle then I move heel down. I did fall for alot of stuff of the IC. I also wonder if that sprocket vs the smooth sprocket makes a difference. In that control. I know the dw9000 has the smooth sprocket and everyone says they are wicked smooth and responsive!
@@1111Paiste that could be a great option. I found the beater made the most difference between the 2 pedals. When I swapped the beaters play by play felt there was little to no difference in playing. The other factor I forgot about is the cams. The IC the power cam seems to be more popular, where with the dw5000 the turbo cam seems to be more popular. When I tried a dw5000 turbo it felt sluggish and not quite as responsive vs the accelerator cam. But I know the single chain version has even a lighter footboard
Yes you can! And actually that was a test I did after I recorded this video. I found when I did that the playability was almost I denticle. The "weight" or "clunky" feeling that the DW has, went away once I used the tama beater. I don't find the DW clunky. I do feel like it has more umph, but once I put the DW on the tama it has very similar umph. The main difference I found was the footboard. That's why the XF by DW was perfect because it was like the 2 pedals came together.
The Cobra does have the cam teeth, only three or so, but it seems to be plenty, i’ve been playing / giging my Iron Cobra for 17 years, I’ve rebuilt many DW5000 petals for my friends in this time, some of them multiple times. Not my Cobra though, still all original.
I didn't know the IC has cam teeth. I didn't see them but they may have been up higher. And I know both DW and IC have had good and bad years. I think both companies now are doing amazing.
just an fyi i have had dw5000 pedals since the 80s my first pair and only on my second have never had a breakdown of any sort!!!! i retired my first set because they needed a little refresh which i still havent gotten around to... my pedals are older so no pivot point for the tensioner. and i play speed/death/grind so fast heavy use
That's wicked awesome!! Alot of pros I see play the DW stuff and love it. I don't get why so many seem to like to hate on them. I did sell my dw5000xf to get the double pedal version. And I love it alot!! I don't think people understand how much of a difference beaters make. The IC beaters are light in weight and give the pedal a quicker but less attack feel. Where the DW beaters give it above of power and attack and maybe aren't the "lightest" feeling. But they still are amazing.
I bought the new powerglide cobra, but my only concern is the clamp that you mentioned. I use yamaha electronic drums and im worried that i will havw issues clamping the pedals to the kit. Is it that hard to clamp or not that big of an issue?
The only issue I found is going back and forth. When I get the pedal all dialed in on the acoustic kit, I had to do some tweaking to get on the electric kit. But if your staying on one kit and one kit only then there will be no issue! It's not really that big of an issue. For me I have 4 kids. So when I get to play spending any extra time having to adjust or change anything just means less time I have to play. So for me switching between the 2 kits it created a headache.
@@johnathan.jerusik oh okay thanks, so dont need to worry about.😅 This video really help me choose the cobras , cant wait for them to arrive tommorow. Thank you for creating this video.
@@Sonsofthunder12789 ya the cobras ate amazing!!! I had such a hard time figuring out what I wanted to do or go with. I'm really glad I could help!! Some people get very very defensive about the pedals in this video. My issue was all of the drummers that I looked up to played DW. And all of the fourms said go with the IC. There was nothing like this video out when I was looking.
@@johnathan.jerusik actually i ordered the dw5000 first but the shop message me after my order that the dw5000 pedals are out of stock so he offered me the cobras since they have it on stock so i happily accept the offer😅. I need to practice my double stroke with these badboys. Oh Yeah some people are getting offense at everything really so dont worry about it you did a great job.
@@Sonsofthunder12789 that's wicked awesome! I have had that happen before. I feel like dw5000 and under are amazing pedals. I had a dw9000 for a bit and I didn't care for it. But it seems like in the higher end the IC are amazing!!! And thank you for the kind words
I bought Axis in the late 90’s and found them weaker at slow tempos, switched to DW 5000 and used them for a while until I randomly played a Tama Iron cobra as part of the venue backline a got two singles for long while but actually switched to Axis again. Also had a Speed cobra for short period before quitting the drums. Long story short, they are all great for different styles.
I 100000% agree!!! I played alot more doom sludge type metal and I get alot of great power from my dw5000. I do want to get another pedal for the fast double metal (kinda like gojira style but not anywhere as good lol) and I actually love the tama dyna sync they feel amazing! They are a direct drive that feel and have the power of a chain drive. Like no learning curve needed for those pedals.
I own the previous Iron Cobra and the current 5000. I have to say the 5000 was disappointing. The pedal felt sluggish with no real power even with the spring tension maxed out. I bought a second hand 9000 and the tension spring was upside down. So I decided to do the same thing to my 5000 and it made a huge difference. Now the felt doesn't fall out. I still prefer the Iron Cobra because of the adjustability. The beater angle and pedalboard angle are independent which makes finding the right set up for you very easy. With the DW 5000 you can do that. You are locked into what DW want the set up to be. Removing the chain just to adjust the pedalboard height is annoying and hard. Also the beater angle is limited. All features into consideration the Iron Cobra is cheaper, more adjustable, comes with a case. The DW 5000 is more expensive, less adjustable and has no case. So IMO the Iron Cobra is the winner the DW is a good pedal yet for the money other companies offer more value. I do like my 5000 it just the pedal I reach for the least.
Yes, I agree with the difference. And it was hard the dw5000xf was like the closest I could find that was like a marriage of each pedal. There are so many positives about each pedal. I loves the IC alot. I actually just sold my electronic kit so I do t care about the foot clamp as much.
@@johnathan.jerusik Has anyone ever mentioned that the IC spring adjustment is much easier to equalize when the double pedal is used? The DW spring tensions on a double pedal could be really differently tensioned & you'd never really know unless you can eyeball the amount of threads on top of the barrel OR turn the pedal upside down to look down into the barrel. The IC you can put your finger under the barrel and gage how equalized the 2 spring tensions are. Im surprised one of the companies hasn't completely revolutionized calibration of both side spring tensions for slave pedals.
@Mike Chavez I agree!! I know that with dw machined series you actually have lines and can really dial in the exact tension on both sides. But I agree with you it's not easy to get the exact tension on both sides.
I have the 5000 turbo double chain with swivel bit for chain and the 5000 accelerator single chain with the swivel bit both fairly new double chain is heavier feel the single a bit lighter now I’m selling both as I bought a dw 6000 turbo with no base plate like the others and no swivel bit for chain I find the 6000 definitely has more feel and I find much more connection and feel with this pedal,thought I was going crazy going back and forth trying them all out against each other and thought am I making the right decision I was altering the adjustments on the 5000s but still couldn’t get them feeling as good as the 6000,so now I’ll just buy another 6000 for a back up
For anybody who is watching this video, nad is looking outside of DW or Tama, The pearl Redline Eliminator is cheaper than the DW5000, but a little more than the Iron cobras.
I need to try some pearls. It's been many many years and it was a borrowed pair that I tried. I havent even checked what the prices are anymore. Last time I knew the dw5000 was 220 and the IC was 200. Did they go up?
@@morganrosenwinkel355 oh!!! Ya its crazy once you get into the double prices. I have a crappy older double pedal, I'd love to upgrade one day but even the basic ones are crazy now these days!
Been playing for just under 50 yrs, and i'm a single bass type of guy only, not to mention one picky sob when it comes to my BD pedal. That being said i've tried them all and the Yamaha longboard chain drive pedal and the Tama Speed Cobra are hands down the top two! I use the Yamaha, heel down or up it's *perfect.* DW yeah good stuff but again the top two I mentioned blow the DW's away. The other unique pedal is thee o'l Ludwig Speed king, one year I just played that and played it 95 % heel down, that pedal playing it heel down is like a catapult, just amazing! You technically can't go as fast with the SK but what it does for your foot technique is beyond belief. Just my opinion(s) and experiences. Always fun to go to NAMM lol and try them all, that's what I did many years in a row and the ones I mentioned `always came out on top. I also use the Yamaha high end Hi Hat stand the one with the single brace legs on the sides and double brace up front in the middle, that thing is at another level, nothing even comes close. Sorry long winded. P e a c e
I always feel like yamaha is underrated even for guitars. And man I wish I could go to NAM. The yamaha I tried was the high end on but it was direct drive. It was amazing but there was so many adjustments it was hard to find a sweet spot.
@@johnathan.jerusik I've tried a few direct drive pedals even the Yamaha's and I personally do `not like them. There's something weird with that piece that replaces the chain not having any flex. Exception is the Ludwig Speed King, that one for some reason still nails the notes more naturally lol go figure? (I can't figure that one out...) The chain or even strap creates a water type flow that's hard to explain, except it feels more natural. Direct drives lol I stay far away from those pedals. It's weird you would think in theory they would be the bomb, but for me they are the worse, I say that respectfully. Peace
I'm glad I helped! I still own the dw5000xf and have had no issue with mine! I have recently been trying the felt side. But I will probably go back to the other side soon.
@@Gooden_Eye even with the single bass. I play alot more like sludge and doom and having the plastic side hit helps it to cut through alot of the mix. But with my double I strictly use the plastic side. I only within the last week started trying the felt side. I'm probably going to go back very soon. It's weird the IC don't offer a different option. It would be nice if the did. Or maybe like a quick screw, pop off the one beater and pop on the other style
I think either option a person will be very happy with! There is a lot of features that are great on both. Wish I could combine the pedals and make 1 ultimate pedal
@@johnathan.jerusik yes, they will be happy with either, until the DW needs a replacement part, it my experience, the DWs do not stand up to heavy use, like the Tamas do. Just as a personal anecdote, I have 2 DW pedals, that are about 6 years old, that I’ve replaced parts on both of um, I have 30 year old Tamas, that still work, like the day I got um. The DWs are great feeling pedals, but the Tama is the better, all around option. And yes, if u could combine the best of both, that would be a Trick, 😜 see what I did there? Thanks for the video, and all the work u put into it!! Nicely done!
@@robertbates9948 I appreciate that!! And that's actually a good note about longevity. My dw7000s are 10 plus years old. I bought them used so I have no clue how old they actually are. And they definitely needed some up dates just to get them feeling and playing even nicer. They were starting to feel clunky. Honestly if I had the money I would of stuck with the tama dyna sync. Those were just amazing! But I couldn't afford it. I got to play them for like a week and just felt like butter, and solid as a rock. If that makes sense.
@@johnathan.jerusik I actually have the Dyna Sync double, and we definitely agree, it is fantastic!! I played the IC 900 double for years though. The DW MDD is great too, but too expensive, imo.
I still have to try the speed cobra. But you know what I did recently, I "upgraded" modified my DW7000 double pedal. I put speed rings on, I converted it to strap drive. And I used the newer DW beater heads with the adjustable weight and that made a huge difference. When I did try both the dw5000, and the IC I did swap the beaters between the 2 and found alot of the heaviness I felt was from the beater. That's not an exact science, and maybe like I mentioned in the video the dw has like a sprocket type system, vs the IC dosent. Also maybe the hinges used? But alot of the difference I found was in the beater. I play alot of "doom, stoner, rock, metal" type music. More like Amenra, Neurosis, the sword, kind of feel. With the dw beater I felt I also got a bit extra umph. But when I put the dw beater on the IC I got a very very similar feeling. Wasn't 100% but it wasn't enough where one felt drastic. I think at the end of the day both are amazing pedals. My main issue is not alot of companies, including Tama, and DW don't list specs. That 11inch board is a world of a difference. My dw7000 have a 10 inch board (non XF) and I can tell when I do a heel toe, or something that I would normally do on a IC or a DW w/XF there's a good difference how I have to adjust my technique to compensate. But anyways I really need to try the Speed cobra. I know Ben K from converge uses one he loves his
@@johnathan.jerusik you should try the speed cobra. Its weightless to the foot. But if you like the weighted one probably stick with dw pedals instead.
@@dqstudio8045 I really want to try them!! They seem great! They have the 13 inch board. I played the dyna sync and those were awesome!! Lots of power and punch. They felt heavier. But I will try to find a set of speed cobras.
I feel the same when l was wanted to replace my old dw 5000 single chain with silver hing. The newer dw 5000 Turbo feel a lot heavier and a bit slow for me. I ended up spend more money and got dw 9000 instead. Very light and responsive as far as chain drive can do and the red hing still fine.
@@rhythmcaster2018 I just converted my dw7000 double pedal to strap drive and I love it!!! I still love my 5000 with the Accelerator cam and chain. But between the beater swap and the going to strap that made a huge difference. Have you tried the new dw5000 with the single chain??
I didn't know that! Thank you!!! I wasn't sure if the speed were a full 13 like most of the longboard pedals. I believe the dyna sync might be 13? Can't 100% remember
Unfortunately I did have to pay out of pocket for all of these units. Yes I did return some. But maybe a future video I can do the dw5000 xf vs the speed cobra. I really really really want to try the speed cobras. I hear amazing things about them! It's on my bucket list!
The one huge thing that wasn’t even discussed is the HINGE! Play both pedals for a month, than you’ll notice how loose the Tama hinge gets. You could literally swing the footboard side to side. I use DW for the ball bearing hinge alone. It stays sturdy and does not loosen or move. Even brand new, you could probably wiggle the foot board side to side of the Tama. Just a massive difference in quality….
@@paulboutin7191 I use to work at a guitar store about 10 plus years ago. And it was during the iron cobra hype, and every one we got in didn't feel great. Brand new or used seem to just feel off. Now this latest Gen of the cobras felt great but when I played the regular dw5000 I was like ok that fells great, and solid! That's why ultimately I did go with yhe XF version because that extra inch makes a world of a difference. I like the normal 5000, and in a double pedal I'd probably do the non XF version. But in the single the XF just feels solid!!
I remember when that "Delta Hinge" came out & it was a big deal w/a huge price factor that many chased because if you play in a fashion that forces side motion to the pedal, that hinge would loosen up. I never needed to get one, but I believe in the concept & reason. Ive always played a double pedal & more of an issue is the drive shaft hinges. Oh, btw, one cool option with the Iron Cobra, over the DW, is that you can change a Right-hand double pedal into a LEFTY. Random, but good trivia you might use one day... hehe.
Playing action I’d pick ic over any of them they feel more connected and responsive to your feet all of dws pedals have a rolling smoothness and a looser rebound where the cobra will react more naturally and the foot plate will stay connected to your foot better when you want that last bit of power at the end of the stroke the ic will perform that much better I’d say the iron cobra is the most natural feeling pedal out there but if your into grind core / death metal etc you might want direct drives or axis pedals but for rock and pop guys they’re gonna feel to loose and light but whatever the style you won’t be let down with anything iron cobra
I can see that. The ic and the dwxf to me felt alot closer. The cobra coil probably also helps. Plus to me the power glide and accelerator cams felt very close. The turbo cam vs the accelerator cam felt just like what your describing with that bit of extra power. When I get a new double I plan on getting the tama dyna sync such great direct drive pedals
After 16 years i got a kit. I had played 20 plus years up to that point. It was agift xmas from my daighter. Now i am stoked. Definitely way way out of practice ...used to be good. But now im a rusty sob. Hahah. No worries. I got a little Green sparkle Ddrum d2r completely Stock. I need a kick pedal and cymbals now. The kick pedal on this thing is horrible. No reponse. Missing a spring and the one it does have is brutally cheap. So i have to sell or trade some guitar gear for a kick pedal and cymbals.
@robertclarkguitar congratulations on the new kit!!! Playing drums is a blast! A great bang for the buck would be the dw3000 or the IC 600. I actually was playing the IC200 for a bit and actually really likes that as well. But I find the dw3000 is a good price for what you get
I actually want to for a double kick! I think the speed cobras look amazing and hear great things about them. I know a couple of my favorite drummers use them.
@@johnathan.jerusik I'm considering picking up the DW machined chain drive pedals. Crazy expensive, but when I tried them at NAMM they felt incredible.
@@jazzbecausejazz they looked great. Not gonna lie the dw9000 didn't blow me away but I have heard the machine are wicked awesome!! Have you looked at the trick pedals??
I tried one, I was really nice but I didn't 100% agree with it. Im not sure why. It almost felt too smooth lol. But it's a almost the combination of alot of pedals. But I still love the dw5000 XF.
@@johnathan.jerusik yeah, I thought the same thing when I first got mind (double pedal) but had just come from and still have a Pearl pedal that direct drive and that pedal plays like , well if you play sloppy it plays sloppy , if you play smooth it plays smooth. It's crazy how accurate that pedal plays. A lot of people don't like that one, but I play it then ply the DW and it just works for me.... 😎 I play halfway back on the pedal as well.
@@michaelfarmer6877 ya I loved the few direct drives I have played. Haven't played the pearl yet but I want to. I even tried the trick Bigfoot. But I think I should give the dw9000 another shot
Truth be told I didn't really feel any different to have it or to not have it. I get the concept of it but I don't know how much it actually did overall.
@@johnathan.jerusik ok.thanks for the answer.and something else...did you really saw such a differense in the longest version of dw5000?i m asking couse i have the pearl eliminators and i m thinking to change them couse i m not that pleased of the feel.i ve played old iron cobras and i liked them a lot.
@@thodoris3790 yes I did. I felt the sweet spot on the xf version of the 5000 was a bit lower on the footboard. Like I loved the normal 5000, but my toes actually hit the chains when I was playing the pedal. The xf just allowed me to not only not have my toes be squished but I found that my technique has actually improved. Like I am able to have more control. Plus I also felt the feel was just the slightest bit lighter and smoother. Not a huge difference but when it came to playability I didn't feel little to any difference between the IC and the 5000. The biggest difference actually came down to the beater. The 5000 beater is heavier than the IC but the style of music I play I like the slightly extra weight when I get a huge slam against my bass drum. I will add again my foot is a size 13 wide. So for me 11inch to most longboards (13 inch usually) feel a bit more comfortable for my playing style. I do alot of heel toe for all my doubles. Even when I do a slower double hit I use my heel toe.
use the same beater and they are the same, they are interchangeable, i'd rather sit at a kit with 2 kicks and one of each running matching beaters than a single kick with a slave drive
I found that result too. Alot of people here are very upset that I went with the DW. But I liked the features better and it played the same as the IC to me.
@@johnathan.jerusik we ended up doing that years ago (2000ish) me and a buddy, put our kits together it was oddball but the tamma has 2 variants one has a cam one is round there were 4 of us with kits swingstar and export in a 2000 person area we'd be at partys with everything under the sun back then like multiple halfstacks and a halfadozen fiddle players it was like 3 to 4 gragde bands we'd shuffle it up and go allnight in those days.
Caught me there! Guitar is my 1st instrument. Wasn't able to own a real kit until this year due to the fact that I was in an apartment for many years. But im happy to be back into drums! My kids love it lol
I wonder why pedals are so commonly named after snakes, demons etc.. I Like single chain DW500 pedals. I also have an older modal Gibraltar INTRUDER (another dumb name) but has a solid direct drive. But always try this stuff out yourself. There all different!
I think people think the names are cool? Idk it's a bit corny for sure. I actually converted my old dw7000 to strap drive and been loving that! The dw5000 xf still going strong.
because double bass drums are mostly used by extreme metal drummers who get excited by brutal sounding product names. And actually Cobra makes sense as beaters swivel back and forth like Cobra's head
you say you "play a lot of heel and toe" and that the "Iron Cobra feels better to play"....... but all those pedals are brand new and unplayed, no wear on the felt beaters, and one even has the footboard sticker on it :-)
So, I have played each pedal for about a week straight. One week on the Tama and one week on the dw5000. The ic900 vs the regular dw5000 yes the ic900 played nicer and smoother. That's actually why I made this video because I didn't understand why. Learning about the 10inch footboard on the dw vs the 11 inch on the ic 900. Also I play usually with socks or bare feet so I wouldn't ruin the pedals with shoes. Mostly because I did end up returning them. I don't make enough money to keep all of them. And I did pay out of pocket for them. When it came to the dw5000xf the difference between that and the ic900 was almost non playing wise. When I swamped the beaters between the ic900 and the dw5000xf each pedal actually felt like the other version. I'm not a heel toe player in the way of like a death metal drummer, I play heel toe more for punk and hard rock. More for accents and hardcore style. Some people do that with sliding their foot. I learned using heel toe. I hope that clears anything up. If not let me know!
I hear alot of mixed reviews but that really about it. I remember when I tried 1 it was like over 10 years ago and at the time they were the pedal. The only I played felt nice but it was a single pedal and the place I tried it had only low end single chain pedals. So could of influenced how I felt about that pedal.
@@johnathan.jerusik It felt so akward and wrong to me. It was also at least 10 years ago, maybe it was the settings that did not fit me? When i play my IC it feels like the pedal just sticks to my feet and i become one with them. I looove that feeling
@@michaelforest3332 100% agree the settings make a massive difference. I had a tama dyna sync for about a week. Once I moved it away from the stock settings I felt like i lost the whole pedal. It was weird.
@@justinengler9320 ahh! I get it! Honestly I have played the 9000 and I love the 5000 alot better. I feel like the 5000 is that perfect marriage of good price for quality for value.
I do agree with you on that. I found I did need to adjust a bit more on the DW5000. And I found some aftermarket parts that really get the pedals to feel better. The Iron Cobra is a really hard to beat unit. When I get a new double bass pedal I am going with an Iron cobra. Which version? Not sure yet. I'm deciding between the 900, the speed cobra, and the dyna sync
I appreciate the constructive criticism and will remember that for next time. I was trying to be informative but I know I have a tendency to ramble too much. I apologize if I bored you. But I'll try to be more direct next time
@@glengoodwin I fo appreciate that! I hope that I did help you in any way. And feel free to ask any question. I try to be a level headed person. In a world of chaos I try to put a better foot forward.
I can see how you feel that way. Depending on when I have tried dw some felt really great and some were not good at all. I think in the last few years they have been doing alot better with their quality. But same with tama. I use to work at a Guitar store over 10 years ago and alot of drummers weren't getting any of the new Tamas. Alot of them were complaining they didn't feel right. But I think that happens with alot of companies. But out of the 2 I would agree tama has been alot more consistent over the years
@JJ EDC DW pedals are clunky and slow. They have zero finesse and are terribly engineered. DW pedals are nothing but cheap imitations of the Iron cobra. That's easy to see.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 ok ok you made your point. Your very passionate about this subject. I'm not going to say your opinion is wrong. I do agree that some DW products can be over priced for what they are. Anything above the 5000 series I didn't feel was worth it. And anything below the 5000 series has alot to be desired. I actually liked the IC alot it was just that clamp that I had issues with personally. I know the next pedal I plan on getting is the tama dyna sync. I have played everything from the low end IC 200 to the Trick pedals that everyone raves about. The dyna sync to me is probably one of the best pedals on the market. DW does a great job with their drums and other hardware but in my opion the pedals the 5000 series is the only good series. I didnt care for the 3000 or 7000 or 9000 I didn't even want to drop the money on the MFG so I can see your argument. The 5000 series to me is the only good series for the DW. The rest isn't up to par. With tama you see why one is worth more. Like I love the IC200. Single chain, felt great, but when I went to the IC900 I could feel the difference in quality and power and everything. Then up to the dyna sync I was blown away! I just could afford the dyna sync at the time.
@JJ EDC I have the Dyna Sync. I've been using it since it's release. It's a fantastic smooth pedal with plenty of power. Vastly superior to anything from DW. And Tricks look OK. I don't play extreme music rather thrash so Cobras and above are all I need.
@JJ EDC I also DW drums themselves are completely overpriced and overrated. John Good raves about how great the wood and whatnot is but that's a bs argument. The sound of those drums will change drastically depending on the heads you use and tuning you go with. To me DW are nothing but con artists.
Shitty review. Didn’t mention Tama’s cobra coil which makes a huge response difference. Also the footboard and the beater are independently adjustable on the tama, and on the 5000 are not. And If you want an even longer footboard, go with the speed cobra.
I apologize I didn't meet your standards. My intentions weren't to upset people, but to help people with a choice that they could make there own decision. I love the IC. I never hated on the pedal at all. And I have owned a few other Tamas since that I have loved. I appreciate your criticism and next time I will mention those features.
The Iron Cobra is a solid pedal. I use the demon drive shaft, the red line beaters and the speed cobra springs. Every part of the pedal seems to be interchangeable only thing is the hinge. I want to know if the hinge and footboard of the dw5000xf can be connected on the iron cobra? Even considering the American screws and holes difference to the European standard screws and holes. The review is fine, both pedals have downsides my IC delivers reliable performance and speed over 6 years now. (had the demon drive for 7 and the pearl red line on the backup, never used it)
Thank you, I wasn't trying to be a review review in the traditional way. I do t like talking bad about products. I love the IC, but my whole point was every form or comparison list says "go with X" but no one really explains why? So when I spent the money on all of them I tried them all out for a solid week, and wanted to know exactly why the IC felt the way I did and why it was more comfortable to play than the standard DW. The DWXF and the IC to me felt so close. People are mad at me because I went with the DW. Both pedals are great people just get very passionate about what they use. That's why I never talked "bad" about the IC. But I didn't mention certain things yes because I didn't feel like the also made a difference. I'm glad you didn't hate the review.
@@BloiDdrums oh sorry I forgot to answer that. I'm not 100% sure. The hindge on the 5000 is very beefy where the IC area is very compact. I'm not sure if the 2 are interchangeable
This video is so helpful! Well delivered information, it’s much appreciated!
Oh awesome!!! Im really happy I could help!!!
I’ve been reading so many threads and blogs lately trying to differentiate between these 2 pedals and a Pearl one, and this video was probably the most useful thing I found. Thank you for packing all that info into this video! 👌
Thank you!! That's 10000% the reason I made the video. Everyone seems to just say, pedal x is best. But why? No one ever talks about the floorboards or other functions. Yes there is the Tama coil underneath the footboard. Even though I doubt it makes that much of a difference. But ya I wanted to document the actual differences.
Fun video for me … happy new yrs !! Thnkx thnkxx
Great video. I'm currently deciding between Iron Cobra and 5000. I also thought about longer version of DW pedal so Your video helps a lot. Keep it up!
Thats awesome man!!! Ya every forum out there is like, buy the DW, buy The IC. It's like we'll why? The answer is always like bc the other one sux. So I had to buy all of them to try out and I was like you know maybe more people need to actually know what the real differences are. I tell ya I loved the IC playability over the regular dw5000 but only because the 10inch vs 11 inch foot board. So my size 13 foot had a nicer are to play on the IC. But the DW with the XF makes it pretty much an even playing field. I love my DW 5000 accelerator with the XF
Try to see if you can rent them first. Try them out for a while
Dude the ics have better feel 30 year drummer here and for the most natural feeling and most connected response go ic , 5000 and 9000 are on the better side but your looking at a similar feel on all dw pedals a sort of loose and smooth stroke but ic reaact when you want them too more connected being the key thing here
Great video bro! Thank you! Extremely helpful! The video was perfect man! 💯🔥
Hey thanks man!!! Wicked happy I could help!!! If you have any questions let me know!
Good info, brother. What made your video stand out to me was the MEASUREMENT! I currently play BOTH Iron Corbra & DW [rehearsal studio set & home practice set] I've adjusted the spring tension, beater angle/position as close as poss to each other & they ARE very similar; BUT, another factor I've come to realize in trying to get the 2 pedals to feel the same is the tension of the actual bass batter head has a lot to do with the feel of the pedal due to rebound; even though the pedals were identically adjusted, the pedals felt different exclusively because one of my bass heads was tighter than the other!! Took me awhile to realize & I was getting very frustrated trying to figure out why my feet played better on my practice set vs. studio set.....it's crazy how many factors play into pedal feel.
Yes there are many factors. Found if I uses the Dw beater on the IC it felt like the dw. And if I uses the IC beater on the DW it felt like the IC. I liked both so much! I actually just got the double version of the dw5000xf and I love it! I almost went with the IC900 double but I really like the dw5000xf single pedal alot.
Thanks for pointing out the differences between the two pedals. It helps when your making a choice on a new pedal. I've had Speed Kings (2) ever since 1967 and they have never failed me on a gig. I've had a early Camco and it was very good but didn't hold up very well, though I liked the feel of it. So the interest in DW. I've been a playing professional musical since 1967. That says a lot for the Speed Kings. Tama from what I seen of your video and others is front runner with DW a very close second. Heres the rub; kick pedals ( And all equipment really) is" to know it you have to use it" under your working conditions to know if it's the right fit for you. So unbiased info is a big help in narrowing the field down.
I'm wicked happy I could help!!! I think alot of people forget that I'm trying to point out the factual differences. Like in all honesty I didn't feel that much of a difference between the IC900 and the dw5000XF. But everywhere I have read or video I have watched never really shown the real differences between the pedals. It took me having to buy all 3 with my own money and deciding what worked best for me. But the difference in the footboard and measurements can make the difference between the 2 pedals.
Thanks for all this info. 👍🏻
Your welcome!!!! Im happy I could help!!! Happy drumming!!!
Just got myself a Tama Speed Cobra having used a DW8000 (yup…a rare effort to bridge the 5000 and 9000!) and the Speed Cobra is INCREDIBLE! by comparison. Like my brain and pedal now have a super fast direct link. ❤❤
Very helpful, thank you!
Wicked awesome! I'm glad I could help!!!
Best drum pedal comparison ever. Thank you. I am happy Iron Cobra 900 owner
Thank you that means alot!!! Can't go wrong with either!!! Thank you for the kind words
Thanks a lot! You helped me a lot with understanding the selection criteria. I choose between the cheap DIXON PP P2D dual pedals and the TAMA Speed Cobra 310.
I been really wanting to try those Dixon pedals. How are they?!
@@johnathan.jerusik I'm waiting for delivery in Russia next week (I'll write a review, I'm just a beginner drummer). Pedals with conventional springs. Recently there was an ad for Ozone Global - Tama Speed Cobra 310 under $ 250. but this delivery is longer (and I already ordered Dixon for ~ $ 216). Let's see what Dixon is (otherwise they are already talking about precision springs, I want to understand what quality in general).
@@michailschlagzeuger8056 I have heard the Dixon actually have really great quality. But I haven't personally used one
@@johnathan.jerusik I understand 👌
Because of my size 13 feet I went with the 310 Speed Cobras long footboard. After playing mid tier pedals I found them almost too fast! But after adjusting to them they are starting to feel like an extension of my foot. Really like them.
Ya that is a good shout!! I find it depends on what you can get use too. Like I didn't care for the dw9000 but love the dw5000. I liked the iron cobra 200 alot didn't like the 600 but love the 900. And the dyna sync are amazing!!
Great video, man. Thanks!
Anytime! Glad I could help!
Used to to own dw 5000s and dw 9000s. Sold them both for iron cobras and speed cobras and man it’s a huge difference for me. I guess my feet personally and playing style Tama pedals are perfect for me and feel so much smoother and faster and comfortable. I could never dial in the dw pedals the exact way I wanted them to feel.
Personally I didn't like the dw9000. The dw5000xf felt very close to iron cobra. But the cams can make a difference aswell
I have had 9000's and switched to speed cobras as well. had the same expreicance
See I tried the 9000s and they didn't impress me at all! I found it to be too much.
Same experience for me. I am also a drummer/guitar player who plays more guitar than drums but have been considering an upgrade of my DW hi-hat. I too, could never get the DW HH quite right - thought it was me.
The beaters that come with DW pedals are notoriously heavy; I ended up having to switch to the lighter beaters they make. The drive shafts also wear down noticeably after a few years which really upsets me. I now have a Dyna-Sync. Beast of a double pedal.
Very useful video. Thank you
Thank you!! Im glad it helped!!
The DW XF has an 11in footboard... I've been trying to figure this out forever! Thanks for the info!
Hey anytime!! I'm happy I can help!!
Good review, thanks
Thanks man!!! I appreciate that!!! 🙏 I hope it helped in any way! If you have questions let me know!
Right On!!! My drummer from out band Pig Splitter just bought the Iron Cobra double pedal for around $600. It has changed the game.
That's wicked awesome!!! The IC are amazing pedals!! If I had the money I'd own both and just have fun with both! I need to check your band out!!
@@johnathan.jerusik Right On!!! Thank you. You can find us on my channel.
@@Redn87 going there now!
Nice review with some good valid point of views. I use 13 shoes so I went for the cobras. I had them for 15 years and still are like new. Rock solid and quality product. I have the double power glide pedal though, the only "negative" i can say is that the slave is not nearly as perfect as the main.
I think that's the case with alot of pedals. The canopus bearings make a big difference. I hated my dw7000 double pedal. Thought it was worn out and shot. I got the canopus bearing and the pedals is way better than what it use to be. More fluid and glides so much better. I'm no death metal drummer but I can keep a steady double easier now.
Legend. Great vid. Cheers.
Wow! Thank you!!!
@@johnathan.jerusik I got the cobra.
@@pf5915 cobras are amazing!! They definitely preform at a higher standard.
I had the DWs back in the 90s and they were great but didn’t hold up. Started to get a click from the cam and the pedal started to feel off from what I had a feel for. Sold them and got the iron cobra. Great pedal and totally solid. Had that pedal for 10 years and no problems. Now I play the Pearl demon direct drive. Freakin expensive pedal but I have a friend that works for Pearl and I got the employee discount.
Gotta say it’s the best pedal I’ve ever played.
Great video, also have big feet, noticed that I was having trouble finding space for techniques in normal pedals, got the Pearl Demon Drives and they are still on the small side besides being a longboard conversion, now could do most of the techniques I wanted to try but... I still kicked it up a notch, so I went full on long board and got myself some Trick pedals with the long board which is MASSIVE but so comfortable, now my feet are not looking so hard for the sweet spot or for space to do that heal rebound. Now my toes constantly hitting the chain in the look for space is a thing of the past.
I agree with you man!! I tried the same trick pedals and I couldn't get use to them. Felt sad because they are so nice!!!
@@johnathan.jerusik Well, Tricks are a system in which you can interchange parts and tweek them from chain to DD, and so on until you love them, cause they are an investment for life, but I get ya, for me it was as easy as out of the box, factory settings.
@@jamesnikki5 I can see that and 100% agree! They were some of the nicest pedals. I just couldn't dial that in right. I would like to retry them again. They are some of the best built and quality pedals out there.
I've always preferred the feel of DW pedals, despite owning various brands of pedals, including Tama. I was originally going to get the 5000s, but I was too indecisive between the accelerator and turbo models, that I ended up taking the plunge on a 9000 double pedal, as it's capable of both. Still trying to fine tune it and find the settings I like, but it's as solid as a rock. I like how it came with a set of straps, and I'm thinking about taking the chains off and trying out the straps. I think the 200 dollar price difference between the 5000s and 9000s is due to all the bells and whistles they flood into the 9000s. It's definitely one of those pedals you have to spend time fine tuning and adjusting
I love alot of the quality of the DW pedals. The IC allowed me to realize I did like the 11inch board vs the 10. But that also could be 100% my technique vs others. I have a dw7000 with the turbo cam so I was use to that but when I played the accelerator cam it added power to when I play. I felt like it allowed more consistently with my hits.
I actually had a dw9000 for a little while and it was a great pedal but I had the same issue. I could not dial it in. I felt the cam never went fully turbo or fully accelerator. I ended up returning it.
Strap vs Chain is incredible!!! I did convert my dw7000 double pedal to strap drives and I love it!!! There I a "lighter" feeling to it, but it's way more responsive! To me I think strap is the best option. Ok I'm going to try to explain what I mean. When ever you have a point of contact you create friction. So with a chain, every link in the chain crates a movable point of contact which causes friction and responsiveness to decrease. With a direct drive you have less, but! You still have a few points with contact that need additional bearings in order for the mechanics to work properly. With a strap it connects to the cam then to the footboard. The newer straps are made of materials that don't stretch and are stiff enough that they don't bend as easly while playing like. So in my honest opinion I say strap is probably the best out there.
@@johnathan.jerusik what I'm enjoying right now about the 9000s is how robust it is. The thing is as solid as a rock, and I can trust that it's not going to move, or even deform. I think a lot of the not moving part has to do with the rubber on the bottom, but I feel like that, plus how dense the pedal is, it really just does not move when I'm playing it. I know there's a setting that feels amazing, because I've played a 9000 that felt godlike, but I don't know how it was set up. I feel like the 9000s are like Remo drumheads. Not entirely great out of the box, but the longer you spend tuning them and setting them up, the more they become better than the competition. I've had the pleasure of trying out DW's MFG pedal, and it's hands down the best pedal I've ever played, I just can't afford it
I truly feel that at a certain point, there is absolutely such a thing as TOO MANY OPTIONS (hehe). I read about the ACD Darwin double pedal & I can't imagine trying to dial in 86 settings on a main & slave pedal. Insanity would ensue.
@@mcmarine777 since I wrote my comments, I swapped the chains on my 9000s out for the straps, and they snapped after one session, and their customer service did not help at all. Not to mention straining my back trying to adjust the beater angle (because DW likes to put the adjustment points in incredibly awkward places). I'm not one to be extremely negative, but I actually regret buying the 9000s.
At least with the Darwins, the spring system has a meter on it, and it's so much easier to actually loosen and tighten it. Not to mention how compact it is, and how well thought-out the overall design is, and that it doesn't seem completely over-engineered like a lot of other pedals on the market (looking at you, Trick). Plus, Dennis just comes across as a genuine guy. I'd love to actually buy a Darwin pedal, but I don't have that kinda money.
The Mapex Falcons felt good when I tried them, but I've never used one for an extensive period of time
Thanks for sharing brother. The Tama Speed Cobra HP910LN is the king of kick pedals for me.
I heard amazing things about that pedal. Hows the quality? I have heard mixed reviews on that. But I know alot of people ok love that pedal
@@johnathan.jerusik It's the most comfortable pedal I've ever played and It's great for people with big feet
This is the M Night Shyamalan twist ending of drum pedal reviews. Yeah, I totally wasn't expecting that! Lol.
I've got the IC and absolutely love it, but as you pointed out, the clamp mech is a lil clumsy and just a bit wonky, and the wingnut on it is a lil cheap and uninspired. If Tama does another minor upgrade on this pedal, that whole mechanism would be a good thing to revamp. I don't think I have any other gripes on the IC pedal tho, they're undeniably killer units
I'm really happy you liked it!!! That was my biggest issue with the IC too. The pedal has so many great features but I found myself struggling alot more to get it to sit flat, plus like I said going to my electronic kit was a whole nother thing.
It takes a guitar player to detail the differences between pedals!! Thank you, Nice job
Wow thanks man!! I really appreciate that!!
I only wish the Cobra had full sprockets to better control the overall impact of the pedal.
It has more of a catapult feel which is great, but the chain is may tend to whiplash.
The Dw is perfect in that area, but it can be a little ridged.
Great grip and reliable.
I'm a Tama player, but I respect and love both drum companies.
I have tons of respect for your comment! And I agree, both companies put out a solid product. I have had so many people just bash on one company or another. To me my final decision wasn't about the brand, it was about the function and features.
Dw pedals have a weighted feel ....cobras more easy to maneuver. Both great. All preferences. Although I had a dw 3000 and I snapped the footboard in two!!! Dw did replace it. But I've heard others doing this. Nice video
Thats crazy! My dw7000s are 10 plus years old haven't had that issue. My 5000xf is very sturdy feeling. And the weighted difference I feel comes with the beaters. I actually switched the cobra and 5000 and they felt basically the opposite. Like the cobra with dw beater felt like the dw. The dw machined beaters with the adjustable weights are amazing and really makes a huge difference on my dw7000s. That pedal felt not great until I did some upgrades.
I had to make the same choice and went with the Iron Cobra Power Glide. I feel that the fit, finish, and playability of the Iron Cobra is superior. I can go from very hard hitting to soft playing very easily with the Cobra and it feels very smoothe and silky to play. The DW 5000 felt a bit sluggish to me and actually took more effort to play. However, that's just me and YMMV.
The ic is an amazing option! I like the dw for that reason. I wouldn't call it sluggish more, ok great example. The dw is like a machete and the ic is like a fliet knives. The ic is fast, and is very precise. The dw is more power more punch. But I feel like that also comes to the beaters. Like when I did my experiments I switched the beaters and it was hard to even feel a difference. I had played a ic200 single chain drive with the bigger beater and it felt alot heavier than the ic900 version. To me if I'm playing doom and rock the dw has that extra weight where is I want to play fast the ic really does shine there. But there are plenty of people who play fast with dw and plenty who play slower with IC
I have the Tama Iron Cobra 900 series (blacked out)... I love everything about the pedal except the mount. That mount is such a pain. My old DW 9000 was much easier to attach. Basically for the same reason you said... i use this on 2 different kits. When I swap between I have to readjust it.
See, I feel like if tama just re did the toe clamp that would of been the 100% no doubt winner! But truth, if I put the tama beater on the dw it felt like I was playing the tama. It's like the coke vs Pepsi. Once people see it with there eyes it's game over. But in the blind tests most can't tell the difference.
Thanks for making this. I think I’m gonna go with the speed cobra
That's a solid option! I have heard many good things about them! I haven't tried those one yet, but the dyna syncs were amazing!
If you need a big foot board, there's also the Speed Cobra at 11.5" from tip to hinge, and the less fancy 310 model is very affordable.
Thats a good shout out. I wish more companies put the footboard size down.
Hey Man great video! I have a question, I’m looking at buying my first double pedal, the DW 9000. If I’m doing a show where I don’t need the double pedal, will it convert down to a single? Cheers
Yes you can remove the slave pedal and the 2nd beater. This will make it a single pedal. I'm glad you enjoyed the video!!
Working in a drumshop in a city with a big music scene i remember seeing 100s of dw 5000 pedals with broken hinges broken footboards and worn cam teeth.. and of course the famous clicking and binding feel they develope after heavy use .. that said i never had any of tnese problems using them
I would think every company has had some kind of issues. But I also know tons of drummers that use these no issue
I had an iron cobra for a long time and never could get it to be comfortable, It always felt sluggish.
I got my hands on a dw 5000 single I e been playing for quite awhile and it really slams, I've always been a bit weak with my bass drum sound and the dw 5000 seems to make up for it a lot. I've been looking for a good deal on a new dw 5000 for awhile, hopefully I'll get one soon. I believe the sprocket drive of the dw 5000 makes the chain pull a lot stronger and more powerful.
That could be! I still live my dw5000. Alot of people seem to hate on them, I'm not sure why. They work and feel great.
Would love to see your opinion between the dw5000 xf and the Tama Speed Cobra? Seeing as though that’s Tama’s version of a longer footboard pedal. Those are currently the two I’m deciding between without being able to really try them out and know for myself.
The speed cobra has a 13 inch board. I haven't tried the speed cobras but I have played the dyna sonic. I really liked them. Thought they felt great. I will say even though the difference between a regular dw vs a dwxf vs a longboat is only a few inches, I do feel like you gain and loose some advantages. Shorter the board the more power more twack you can get. The longer the board the more speed you can get. That's how it feels to me. I like the 11inch board like on the dwxf or the IC900s because I feel like you still get a nice bit of control, speed, and power. Example, i actually had bought and returned the trick pedals longboards because I lost all of my power. Same with the higher end yamaha pedals. I forget the model its the one that looks like a race car. But there was no power. No matter how I set up the pedal. I could t get that umph. The 10 inch boards you get so much power but to some it feels "clunky". To me my foot felt cramped. The 11inch boards feel like I still get power and speed.
What about the spring under the board on the iron cobra? DW doesn't offer that but that's my fav thing about the iron cobra
Yes, I have said that to others on here that I did fail to mention that. But in my defense that is a spec that you can find almost everywhere, and many have pointed that difference out. I was trying to go for the size comparison and the features that aren't shown or discussed. Like the 10 inch DW footplate vs the IC 11inch.
Beater throw and footboard height are both independently adjustable on the Tama.
Yes very true. Technically it can be done on the DW but it is a huge pain in the butt.
Can you attach the footboard and hinge from the DW 5000XF to the Iron Cobra? I love the hinge from DW and love the features from the Tama...hope to hear from you... Gr Daan
I'm so sorry I miss this! Apparently UA-cam didn't tell me about a bunch of comments. I have heard of people changing hinges. I'm not 100% sure. There should be a video on UA-cam. Thats how I learned how to convert my chain drive to strap drive.
are the nuts for the spring tension on the iron cobra plastic?
I recently bought my first drum set. A tama imperialstar. It came with their cheapest pedal. Hp30? I think. I've never played anything else but I'd imagine at some point I'll be upgrading. I did update my hi-hat stand to a Tama speedcobra 310. Well actually I lied. I bought it because I also bought a ekit and didn't want to switch the hi-hat everytime going back and forth between the kits lol. I had to buy the ekit cuz I severely underestimated how loud and acoustic kit is. Right now I'm moving my kick pedal back and forth.
Ya acoustic drums can be a bit much. I actually did sell my electric kit. But I tell ya I think electronic kits are so inexpensive now I think alot of smaller clubs and venues should look into them. No more putting mics on drums. No more checking every level. Just plan in one cable.
I bought the Speed cobra because of the longer footboard
The older dw pedals didn't have that swiveling spring. I have a 5000 from probably around 2008 or so and it doesnt have that feature. Same with the fancy clamp that has those 3 points of contact to the drum hoop, it just has a regular clamp.
DW just copied the Cobra design
I have an older dw7000 and it dosent have half the stuff the newer 5000 had.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 the 5000 pedal was actually designed before WW2. The first iron cobra came in 1992 from what I've read.
@@matthewcortes3786 And?
The Cobras do it better.
I have had both.
I currently have and use the DW5000.
They are both amazing pedals.
Although, if I had the money to buy only one pedal, I would take the Tama Iron Cobra, ANY DAY, ALL DAY, EVERYDAY.
Is a lot more product for your money.
This is a personal criteria.
Go try both, and decide.
It's funny because after I made the video, I started modifying my dw7000. And I feel like if you were to combine both pedals strengths it would be the ultimate pedal. Like the tama speed ring, the dw toe clamp, the tama footboard, the dw beater. Dw hinges. But that would probably make them more expensive
But which iron cobra? there are so many im so damn confused
Maybe I could help you! There's the 200 which is a single chain. Feels great. Basic pedal. The 600s which have a switchable cam. So you can have the rounded cam or power cam. The 900 which is like the standard IC. You have to choose which you like better, turbo or power cams. Then there is the speed cobra. That comes in a 300 and a 900 series. Basically the speed cobra has an even longer footboard. The 300 is great the 900 is amazing. Then you have the dyna sync or sonic? Can't remember the name. Direct drive version of basically the speed cobra 900s. Personally, I like the dyna they feel amazing!
@@johnathan.jerusik So...you're saying i have to spend 2,000 on kick pedals before knowing wtf i want?
@@Lenny-Mozes that's kinda true. I have done alot of buying and returning. Ok,etc take it back. What kind of music do you play?
I have PDP Concept Dual Peds
🤘😎 ... Did you end up going Cobra? That would have been my choice hands down. I like the CAM adjustments on the Iron Cobra's or TAMA kick pedals period
I always wanted to try a pdp concept. I have not gotten the IC double yet. Haven't had the money
@@johnathan.jerusik I hear that, I have spent so much money on my drums dude, mine is actually a homebrew edrum kit I've been workin' on for almost a year now... Im using currently: a converted 16" Floor tom as my kicker 12" snare 8" tom, 10' tom' another 10' then a 12' for my floors, a low volume set of cymbal I converted to ECymbal 18,20, 16, remote high hat system using GoDrum trigger housing with 2 of the low volume 14's an Extra 10, on my left for a dry punchy snare sound, PDP Concept Pedals with Dbl Bass Trick Drums Universal
...The remote High Hat Pedal is a Griffin but I modified for smooth actuating... ( Im a heavy foot anyway really) All Powered by a modded Roland TD10-TDW-1 Extended drum module running through extra software on my computer routed to ALESIS 2000W Monitors via a Behringer Interface & Dehummer module which I run a an electric guitar through as well ( Im still trying to learn just getting good callouses on my fingertips, cant play for shit though)
So I feel ya brother, shit gets expensive... I just add as I go and try to make improvements, now if I could just stop stick slappin' and rim shotting every GODSMACK song I play along with I might make an alright drummer haha
@@johnathan.jerusik Subbed, I like your content
@@JohnnyMooreJohnnyBobs3DDesignz that's amazing!!! Dude you got some skills!! A 16 inch floor tom for a e kit bass drum is a killer idea! And thank you for the sub! I appreciate that
Great video. Used to play both pedals switched back to the iron cobra from the dw cause the iron cobra has independent footboard and beater angle adjustment. I know u could lengthen or shorten the chain on the dw to get a similar adjustment but ugh what a hassle.
Thank you for the feedback!!! I agree about the adjustments. The dw half link chian type system seems more frustrating especially when your not sure if you will like the adjustment or not. I lucked out that I liked the boards on both pedals out of the box
@@johnathan.jerusik i went over to a pearl demon drive direct drive from the iron cobra and havent looked back. The spherical bearing as opposed to lateral is an interesting feel. Too bad the new tama dyna sync wasnt out yet or i would tried that too.
@@richardskalnik8633 I got to try one of the dyna sync and they are really great!!! I don't love the hoop clamp but I really liked it alot! But the only complaint is it didn't blow me away to justify the price. I thought it was amazing! And great feel great power. But it wasn't like wow I don't want to play anything else. I also did try a dw9000 and didn't like it at all! As much as I do like dw the 9000 felt smooth because I felt like it was over compensating for being so overbuilt and clunky. I'm not sure if that makes sense. I havent got to try the pearl yet. I want to. But my thing is I am a single bass pedal guy. I do heel toe to get me that "Bonham" triplet type thing. (I know he didn't invent it just the best way I can describe it). So for me there's a certain cost where I feel most things hit where there's a cost of what you get evens out. Like the 5000 vs the 9000. Does the 9000 have all these wicked cool bells and whistles? Yes! Does it help it play any better? Not really. I didnt feel like it played better than the 5000. Like the 9000 and 5000 felt different but not enough to justify the price. Plus the dw9002xf that I tried is like around 700-750? But it's around 700 bucks and then it's a made over seas item. I know that's nothing new. And many companies do this. But for 100 bucks more your looking at the trick pedals which a CNC aluminum pedal that are made in the US. But im off subject. I guess I'm trying to explain is justifying the price of a unit. I been debating just taking the time to update and upgrade my dw7000 double.
@@johnathan.jerusik yeah $6-700 for a pedal is crazy. I personally bought my double pedal used so it was half off. U can find em for $300 in great condition all day. Just put new dw control beaters on it and went to the races
@@richardskalnik8633 ya those new beaters look amazing!! Ya I the used market is crazy right now. Nothing in the stores and everyone wants top dollar. I had a 5150 2x12 combo amp that was in great shape. I had it up for 500 bucks. That's what I bought it for thats what I was going to sell it for. A guy messaged me and complained that my price seemed too cheap..... I was like ok put it up to 700 then he stopped talking to me. I was like why are you going to complain? But ha I already have the dw conversions to take a pedals from chain to strap drive. So I think I'm going to upgrade my bearings in my dw7000, put the strap cams and straps on and maybe get those new DW beaters. Then see how the pedals comes out.
As someone who had an opportunity to play dw5000, dw9000, iron cobras and speed cobra, and I'm also a guy who played both an electronic and an acoustic drum kit, and I have size 11 feet, I decided to go with the Speed Cobra. The feeling is amazing, smooth, fast and powerful. It's effortless to play, really. And I had no issues with the clamp and changing kits, I'm not sure what kind of problem did you have. DW5000 is a great pedal, but just like you I found it to be narrow and short and a bit unstable if I'm playing on a stage that's not rock solid. I would say, to anyone trying to figure out which pedal to get, you cannot go wrong here, really. I consider Tama's pedals to be a little sturdier, but that's just my experience with their hardware in general.
Great video! 👍
The Iron Cobra absolutely has a sprocket. Look at the top of the cam where the chain is clamped down and you'll see the sprocket poking thru the chain. The real difference is the Tama has felt under the sprocket to reduce noise while the DW doesn't. You can buy different cams Power Glide, Rolling Glide (chains) and Flexi Glide (strap) to make the pedal however you like. Besides the drum key the bearing at the top of the spring is far superior to the plastic sleeve that the DW uses. That bearing also makes it easy to just lift the spring off of the shaft to take tension off and lay the beater down to store it in its case. And speaking of cases, the Tama comes in a hard plastic case and the DW comes in a soft bag. I own and use both but the Tama is just an all around better pedal IMO. The 7000 vs 900 is a much better comparison to me. Thanks for making the video!
I agree with everything you said. My main point in this video was try too highlight difference that I have never seen in any forum, or online anywhere. I didnt not see the teeth on the IC I had, dosent mean they weren't there, my main thing was I bought these pedals with my own money and returned what didn't work for me. Maybe the newer IC have just a screw system. That's what mine looked like. But again I didn't want to "ruin" anything. Personally I love taking stuff apart. I converted my dw7000 to belt drive and love it! And yes the IC speed ring system is something I forgot to point out. That alone make a huge difference in how the pedals play. I did that upgrade to my dw7000 and man I need to do this to my dw5000xf. I cannot recall the dw system if it's plastic. I know its a ball bearing and just kinda blah. For the case issue. I have heard pros and cons of both. Some people hate the hard case. I thought it was a great addition. But thank you for liking the video!!
Actually no, the Tama Iron Cobra cam (LiteSprocket) does NOT have teeth. hoshinogakki.co.jp/pdf/tama/world/support/parts/hardware/single_pedal/HP900PNHP900RN.pdf
@@PaulMarangoni, actually every version of the IC cam has multiple pairs of sprocket teeth except the Lite Sprocket which has a single pair of sprocket teeth which are clearly visible in any photo of the cam.
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Based on how much of the threads I can see, it looks like you have your spring really tight. I keep mine almost as loose as it can go. My pedals (old DW 5000 single chain) don't have the rocker thing under the spring, and I've never even come close to breaking a spring. Beyond that, I don't know if the rocker is very useful, like if it affects the feel enough to matter.
Pearl was the first company to make a sprocketless chain drive pedal, back in the 80s. I had that before I got my DWs, and it's hard to say what difference there was, if any, as we're talking about two completely different pedals. I did feel the DWs were slightly smoother overall, but whether or not that can be attributed to the sprocket is questionable.
My DWs had the Accelerator sprocket, but as my technique improved, something about it didn't feel quite right to me. I ended up switching to the Turbo sprocket. It just seems to do what I expect the pedals to do, whereas the Accelerator felt like I had less control, and any gains in speed or power were negligible. I also got rid of the DW beaters and switched to Trick titanium beaters, which made a huge difference. I still prefer my single chain pedals to any double chain - they have a much lighter feel. I want to try strap, just because they require less maintenance, but I don't like DW's strap drive. Unfortunately, the Sonor Perfect Balance is single pedal only, and the Darwin FTW costs too much.
Thank you for the feedback!! I agree my spring tension was too tight! I have since loosened the spring tension and it has become way better!! The accelerator vs the turbo I can see what you mean. For my style foot technique I find when I hit with my heel I get a bit more umph. But im not anti turbo! The dw7000 is a turbo. To be fair the spring I had on my pedal was really really old but it also could be that I had it to tight as well. I havent played many pearls so I can't say to much on them. I wish more companies did a single chain. I was playing the lower end iron cobra the 200, and it was great! But I could tell if they did a put lower quality parts on it. I would like to try the dw5000 single chain. That looks fun! I am currently converting my dw7000 to be strap drive. And it is not easy which stinks. I wish the dw9000 wasn't the only model that can convert to strap. For the beaters I do have the new DW beaters that have the adjustable weights. That's the next deep dive is trying different beaters. I have heard those low boys, the wooden ones, are really nice
Do you find that there is much of a difference in feel and playability on the 7000, due to the lack of swivel motion on the bottom of the spring?
That's a awesome question! And ya I do actually feel like there is a difference. The I still have my 7000s and switch back and forth. I do feel like there is more tension with the 7000s. The 5000 feels like it's a bit smoother, bit easier to play and less tension.
@@johnathan.jerusik thanks man, I really appreciate the reply and your thoughts on it. Nothing beats real-world experience. I am considering buying a friend's set of 7002 double pedals, and upgrading the spring bearings to Canopus Speed Bearings and upgrading the drive shaft to a Trick shaft.
I tried the DW500 and found it heavy and lacking the precision of the Iron Cobra.
I even like my 1978 Speed King more than the DW5000. Thanks for the video.
I can see that!!! I think for me when it comes to single pedals, the more style I play (and the fact I'm a 6 ft tall 300 pound guy) the dw works to have that heavier feel to give me extra punch. For double pedal, way different story!!! I actually really want to try speed cobra double, or the tama direct drive double they have. Those look killer!! Mario from Gojira started playing those recently, and his foot work seems to have gotten tighter. But I also talk with the drummer of Zao here and there he suggested the Trick direct drives. So I agree with you, but I also think k it depends on the application. If the dw5000 didn't come in the XF I would of stuck with the IC 900. I havent touched those dw7000s since trying the IC and the dw5000. Even the IC 200s play better and feel better than the dw7000. Maybe it's my 7000s are really old. But ya when I get a new double kick I'm gonna look at tama or trick.
Makes sense I’m 6’0”, weigh 195 and have size 12 foot, so I’m not what you can call a big guy, moreover I play heel down, even songs like Tom Sawyer and By-Tor and The Snow Dog. I play mainly classic rock, bossa nova and some jazz, so a lighter pedal feels more natural. I do have a double pedal Iron Cobra for specific fills and the versatility is off the charts. It sounds like you play heel up most of the time. The DW5000 is perfect for that style. For my heel down style it felt cumbersome. I’m so much a heel down player that even the song Don’t Bring Me Down by Riot I play heel down.
@@dick91p yes!! I can see that in the heel down I totally agree!! I feel like the accelerator cam on the dw5000 helps. I tried the turbo cam, which is the round traditional style, and I hated it!!! Even on the dw5000. That's what the dw7000 has and I have always felt it was very lacking in so many ways! I tried alot of pedals. From 80 bucks up to 320 and out of all I noticed the accelerator cam, or on the IC the power cam felt way better and for both heel down or up. Mostly I am a heel up unless I want to play more light a subtle then I move heel down. I did fall for alot of stuff of the IC. I also wonder if that sprocket vs the smooth sprocket makes a difference. In that control. I know the dw9000 has the smooth sprocket and everyone says they are wicked smooth and responsive!
DW reissued their 5000 single chain pedals. I would think that would reduce the heavy feeling of the double chain 5000 pedal.
@@1111Paiste that could be a great option. I found the beater made the most difference between the 2 pedals. When I swapped the beaters play by play felt there was little to no difference in playing. The other factor I forgot about is the cams. The IC the power cam seems to be more popular, where with the dw5000 the turbo cam seems to be more popular. When I tried a dw5000 turbo it felt sluggish and not quite as responsive vs the accelerator cam. But I know the single chain version has even a lighter footboard
Are the beater shaft diameters the same for both brands? Can I put a DW beater on my Iron Cobra 900?
Yes you can! And actually that was a test I did after I recorded this video. I found when I did that the playability was almost I denticle. The "weight" or "clunky" feeling that the DW has, went away once I used the tama beater. I don't find the DW clunky. I do feel like it has more umph, but once I put the DW on the tama it has very similar umph. The main difference I found was the footboard. That's why the XF by DW was perfect because it was like the 2 pedals came together.
The Cobra does have the cam teeth, only three or so, but it seems to be plenty, i’ve been playing / giging my Iron Cobra for 17 years, I’ve rebuilt many DW5000 petals for my friends in this time, some of them multiple times. Not my Cobra though, still all original.
I didn't know the IC has cam teeth. I didn't see them but they may have been up higher. And I know both DW and IC have had good and bad years. I think both companies now are doing amazing.
just an fyi i have had dw5000 pedals since the 80s my first pair and only on my second have never had a breakdown of any sort!!!! i retired my first set because they needed a little refresh which i still havent gotten around to... my pedals are older so no pivot point for the tensioner. and i play speed/death/grind so fast heavy use
That's wicked awesome!! Alot of pros I see play the DW stuff and love it. I don't get why so many seem to like to hate on them. I did sell my dw5000xf to get the double pedal version. And I love it alot!! I don't think people understand how much of a difference beaters make. The IC beaters are light in weight and give the pedal a quicker but less attack feel. Where the DW beaters give it above of power and attack and maybe aren't the "lightest" feeling. But they still are amazing.
I bought the new powerglide cobra, but my only concern is the clamp that you mentioned. I use yamaha electronic drums and im worried that i will havw issues clamping the pedals to the kit. Is it that hard to clamp or not that big of an issue?
The only issue I found is going back and forth. When I get the pedal all dialed in on the acoustic kit, I had to do some tweaking to get on the electric kit. But if your staying on one kit and one kit only then there will be no issue! It's not really that big of an issue. For me I have 4 kids. So when I get to play spending any extra time having to adjust or change anything just means less time I have to play. So for me switching between the 2 kits it created a headache.
@@johnathan.jerusik oh okay thanks, so dont need to worry about.😅 This video really help me choose the cobras , cant wait for them to arrive tommorow. Thank you for creating this video.
@@Sonsofthunder12789 ya the cobras ate amazing!!! I had such a hard time figuring out what I wanted to do or go with. I'm really glad I could help!! Some people get very very defensive about the pedals in this video. My issue was all of the drummers that I looked up to played DW. And all of the fourms said go with the IC. There was nothing like this video out when I was looking.
@@johnathan.jerusik actually i ordered the dw5000 first but the shop message me after my order that the dw5000 pedals are out of stock so he offered me the cobras since they have it on stock so i happily accept the offer😅. I need to practice my double stroke with these badboys. Oh Yeah some people are getting offense at everything really so dont worry about it you did a great job.
@@Sonsofthunder12789 that's wicked awesome! I have had that happen before. I feel like dw5000 and under are amazing pedals. I had a dw9000 for a bit and I didn't care for it. But it seems like in the higher end the IC are amazing!!! And thank you for the kind words
I bought Axis in the late 90’s and found them weaker at slow tempos, switched to DW 5000 and used them for a while until I randomly played a Tama Iron cobra as part of the venue backline a got two singles for long while but actually switched to Axis again.
Also had a Speed cobra for short period before quitting the drums. Long story short, they are all great for different styles.
I 100000% agree!!! I played alot more doom sludge type metal and I get alot of great power from my dw5000. I do want to get another pedal for the fast double metal (kinda like gojira style but not anywhere as good lol) and I actually love the tama dyna sync they feel amazing! They are a direct drive that feel and have the power of a chain drive. Like no learning curve needed for those pedals.
Ya same here,in a nutshell:I'm heels up stomper style,dem pedals had no power,but it was da era of triggers.
do they make the DW XF with a Turbo cam instead of the accelerator cam?
I'm not 100% sure if they do.
What is your actual foot size which is consider big in order that you consider the DW XF to be more suited for you?
I wear a size 13 to 13 wide depending on brand of shoe. I can play on the normal DW fine. But the extra inch really gives more room.
I own the previous Iron Cobra and the current 5000. I have to say the 5000 was disappointing. The pedal felt sluggish with no real power even with the spring tension maxed out. I bought a second hand 9000 and the tension spring was upside down. So I decided to do the same thing to my 5000 and it made a huge difference. Now the felt doesn't fall out. I still prefer the Iron Cobra because of the adjustability. The beater angle and pedalboard angle are independent which makes finding the right set up for you very easy. With the DW 5000 you can do that. You are locked into what DW want the set up to be. Removing the chain just to adjust the pedalboard height is annoying and hard. Also the beater angle is limited. All features into consideration the Iron Cobra is cheaper, more adjustable, comes with a case. The DW 5000 is more expensive, less adjustable and has no case. So IMO the Iron Cobra is the winner the DW is a good pedal yet for the money other companies offer more value. I do like my 5000 it just the pedal I reach for the least.
Yes, I agree with the difference. And it was hard the dw5000xf was like the closest I could find that was like a marriage of each pedal. There are so many positives about each pedal. I loves the IC alot. I actually just sold my electronic kit so I do t care about the foot clamp as much.
@@johnathan.jerusik Has anyone ever mentioned that the IC spring adjustment is much easier to equalize when the double pedal is used? The DW spring tensions on a double pedal could be really differently tensioned & you'd never really know unless you can eyeball the amount of threads on top of the barrel OR turn the pedal upside down to look down into the barrel. The IC you can put your finger under the barrel and gage how equalized the 2 spring tensions are. Im surprised one of the companies hasn't completely revolutionized calibration of both side spring tensions for slave pedals.
@Mike Chavez I agree!! I know that with dw machined series you actually have lines and can really dial in the exact tension on both sides. But I agree with you it's not easy to get the exact tension on both sides.
My DW 5002s came with a case. But yeah TAMA blows DW out of the water with their pedals.
I have the 5000 turbo double chain with swivel bit for chain and the 5000 accelerator single chain with the swivel bit both fairly new double chain is heavier feel the single a bit lighter now I’m selling both as I bought a dw 6000 turbo with no base plate like the others and no swivel bit for chain I find the 6000 definitely has more feel and I find much more connection and feel with this pedal,thought I was going crazy going back and forth trying them all out against each other and thought am I making the right decision I was altering the adjustments on the 5000s but still couldn’t get them feeling as good as the 6000,so now I’ll just buy another 6000 for a back up
I'd love to try the 6000. They look really nice! I just got thr dw5000xf accelerator and I'm love them.
For anybody who is watching this video, nad is looking outside of DW or Tama, The pearl Redline Eliminator is cheaper than the DW5000, but a little more than the Iron cobras.
I need to try some pearls. It's been many many years and it was a borrowed pair that I tried. I havent even checked what the prices are anymore. Last time I knew the dw5000 was 220 and the IC was 200. Did they go up?
@@johnathan.jerusik I was going off the double pedals prices
@@morganrosenwinkel355 oh!!! Ya its crazy once you get into the double prices. I have a crappy older double pedal, I'd love to upgrade one day but even the basic ones are crazy now these days!
@@johnathan.jerusik I’ve got a Pearl Demon Drive double and I love it. It’s direct drive
@@morganrosenwinkel355 I like a good direct drive! I have heard those are amazing!
You didn’t mention the spring under the footboard on the Tama.
This is true. But to be fair I was trying to more focus on the difference that you can't read about.
Been playing for just under 50 yrs, and i'm a single bass type of guy only, not to mention one picky sob when it comes to my BD pedal. That being said i've tried them all and the Yamaha longboard chain drive pedal and the Tama Speed Cobra are hands down the top two! I use the Yamaha, heel down or up it's *perfect.* DW yeah good stuff but again the top two I mentioned blow the DW's away. The other unique pedal is thee o'l Ludwig Speed king, one year I just played that and played it 95 % heel down, that pedal playing it heel down is like a catapult, just amazing! You technically can't go as fast with the SK but what it does for your foot technique is beyond belief. Just my opinion(s) and experiences.
Always fun to go to NAMM lol and try them all, that's what I did many years in a row and the ones I mentioned `always came out on top. I also use the Yamaha high end Hi Hat stand the one with the single brace legs on the sides and double brace up front in the middle, that thing is at another level, nothing even comes close.
Sorry long winded. P e a c e
I always feel like yamaha is underrated even for guitars. And man I wish I could go to NAM. The yamaha I tried was the high end on but it was direct drive. It was amazing but there was so many adjustments it was hard to find a sweet spot.
@@johnathan.jerusik I've tried a few direct drive pedals even the Yamaha's and I personally do `not like them. There's something weird with that piece that replaces the chain not having any flex.
Exception is the Ludwig Speed King, that one for some reason still nails the notes more naturally lol go figure? (I can't figure that one out...)
The chain or even strap creates a water type flow that's hard to explain, except it feels more natural.
Direct drives lol I stay far away from those pedals. It's weird you would think in theory they would be the bomb, but for me they are the worse, I say that respectfully. Peace
it did help Johnny J!!! I was considering the Iron Cobra, but don't like the felt side on beaters...DW wins on the basis of reversing the beater
I'm glad I helped! I still own the dw5000xf and have had no issue with mine! I have recently been trying the felt side. But I will probably go back to the other side soon.
@@johnathan.jerusik the felt sides don't slap, they muffle the sound. with double bass that's no good
@@Gooden_Eye even with the single bass. I play alot more like sludge and doom and having the plastic side hit helps it to cut through alot of the mix. But with my double I strictly use the plastic side. I only within the last week started trying the felt side. I'm probably going to go back very soon. It's weird the IC don't offer a different option. It would be nice if the did. Or maybe like a quick screw, pop off the one beater and pop on the other style
i use iron cobra powerglide since 21 years ! always the same never break anything! indestructible! TAMA the best!
very good video too!
Ya I like the IC alot. It wasn't an easy choice at all. I have said it with other comments the next double pedal I get will be a Tama
Do you get more torque with the longer footboard?
From DW? No it came with the standard DW basic drum key.
The Iron Cobra is the better option here. IMO.
I think either option a person will be very happy with! There is a lot of features that are great on both. Wish I could combine the pedals and make 1 ultimate pedal
@@johnathan.jerusik yes, they will be happy with either, until the DW needs a replacement part, it my experience, the DWs do not stand up to heavy use, like the Tamas do. Just as a personal anecdote, I have 2 DW pedals, that are about 6 years old, that I’ve replaced parts on both of um, I have 30 year old Tamas, that still work, like the day I got um. The DWs are great feeling pedals, but the Tama is the better, all around option. And yes, if u could combine the best of both, that would be a Trick, 😜 see what I did there? Thanks for the video, and all the work u put into it!! Nicely done!
@@robertbates9948 I appreciate that!! And that's actually a good note about longevity. My dw7000s are 10 plus years old. I bought them used so I have no clue how old they actually are. And they definitely needed some up dates just to get them feeling and playing even nicer. They were starting to feel clunky. Honestly if I had the money I would of stuck with the tama dyna sync. Those were just amazing! But I couldn't afford it. I got to play them for like a week and just felt like butter, and solid as a rock. If that makes sense.
@@johnathan.jerusik I actually have the Dyna Sync double, and we definitely agree, it is fantastic!! I played the IC 900 double for years though. The DW MDD is great too, but too expensive, imo.
Absolutely agreed. Cobra wins.
Dw 5000 has heavy feel to my foot even after hours of adjustment, , iron cobra is much better although i finally choose the speed cobra 910 series
I still have to try the speed cobra. But you know what I did recently, I "upgraded" modified my DW7000 double pedal. I put speed rings on, I converted it to strap drive. And I used the newer DW beater heads with the adjustable weight and that made a huge difference. When I did try both the dw5000, and the IC I did swap the beaters between the 2 and found alot of the heaviness I felt was from the beater. That's not an exact science, and maybe like I mentioned in the video the dw has like a sprocket type system, vs the IC dosent. Also maybe the hinges used? But alot of the difference I found was in the beater. I play alot of "doom, stoner, rock, metal" type music. More like Amenra, Neurosis, the sword, kind of feel. With the dw beater I felt I also got a bit extra umph. But when I put the dw beater on the IC I got a very very similar feeling. Wasn't 100% but it wasn't enough where one felt drastic. I think at the end of the day both are amazing pedals. My main issue is not alot of companies, including Tama, and DW don't list specs. That 11inch board is a world of a difference. My dw7000 have a 10 inch board (non XF) and I can tell when I do a heel toe, or something that I would normally do on a IC or a DW w/XF there's a good difference how I have to adjust my technique to compensate. But anyways I really need to try the Speed cobra. I know Ben K from converge uses one he loves his
@@johnathan.jerusik you should try the speed cobra. Its weightless to the foot. But if you like the weighted one probably stick with dw pedals instead.
@@dqstudio8045 I really want to try them!! They seem great! They have the 13 inch board. I played the dyna sync and those were awesome!! Lots of power and punch. They felt heavier. But I will try to find a set of speed cobras.
I feel the same when l was wanted to replace my old dw 5000 single chain with silver hing. The newer dw 5000 Turbo feel a lot heavier and a bit slow for me. I ended up spend more money and got dw 9000 instead. Very light and responsive as far as chain drive can do and the red hing still fine.
@@rhythmcaster2018 I just converted my dw7000 double pedal to strap drive and I love it!!! I still love my 5000 with the Accelerator cam and chain. But between the beater swap and the going to strap that made a huge difference. Have you tried the new dw5000 with the single chain??
Both Great pedals..the Tama is like a sports car..the DW is like a 2 door family car....
I can see that. I think the footboard is what makes the biggest difference. But I think anyone could be happy with either
The Speed Cobra 910 has 11.5" footboard.
I didn't know that! Thank you!!! I wasn't sure if the speed were a full 13 like most of the longboard pedals. I believe the dyna sync might be 13? Can't 100% remember
What about the speedcobras? They have longer footboard, it could be an interesting comparison between the two
Unfortunately I did have to pay out of pocket for all of these units. Yes I did return some. But maybe a future video I can do the dw5000 xf vs the speed cobra. I really really really want to try the speed cobras. I hear amazing things about them! It's on my bucket list!
You could never go wrong with iron cobra.
The one huge thing that wasn’t even discussed is the HINGE! Play both pedals for a month, than you’ll notice how loose the Tama hinge gets. You could literally swing the footboard side to side. I use DW for the ball bearing hinge alone. It stays sturdy and does not loosen or move. Even brand new, you could probably wiggle the foot board side to side of the Tama. Just a massive difference in quality….
I did not notice that but I can see that issue occurring. Thats a huge difference that could cause alot of issues
@@johnathan.jerusik it’s the only reason why I use DW.. that Delta ball bearing hinge🤘
@@paulboutin7191 I use to work at a guitar store about 10 plus years ago. And it was during the iron cobra hype, and every one we got in didn't feel great. Brand new or used seem to just feel off. Now this latest Gen of the cobras felt great but when I played the regular dw5000 I was like ok that fells great, and solid! That's why ultimately I did go with yhe XF version because that extra inch makes a world of a difference. I like the normal 5000, and in a double pedal I'd probably do the non XF version. But in the single the XF just feels solid!!
The hinge on my HP900 are stuffed, my pedals are so loud now, the footplate basically acts like a plate reverb. Clicking clack, I’m gonna try dw5000
I remember when that "Delta Hinge" came out & it was a big deal w/a huge price factor that many chased because if you play in a fashion that forces side motion to the pedal, that hinge would loosen up. I never needed to get one, but I believe in the concept & reason. Ive always played a double pedal & more of an issue is the drive shaft hinges.
Oh, btw, one cool option with the Iron Cobra, over the DW, is that you can change a Right-hand double pedal into a LEFTY. Random, but good trivia you might use one day... hehe.
How about the cobra coil?
Yes I forgot to mention it. But I didn't really understand it. I get the point of it. But I personally didn't feel much of a difference
Playing action I’d pick ic over any of them they feel more connected and responsive to your feet all of dws pedals have a rolling smoothness and a looser rebound where the cobra will react more naturally and the foot plate will stay connected to your foot better when you want that last bit of power at the end of the stroke the ic will perform that much better I’d say the iron cobra is the most natural feeling pedal out there but if your into grind core / death metal etc you might want direct drives or axis pedals but for rock and pop guys they’re gonna feel to loose and light but whatever the style you won’t be let down with anything iron cobra
I can see that. The ic and the dwxf to me felt alot closer. The cobra coil probably also helps. Plus to me the power glide and accelerator cams felt very close. The turbo cam vs the accelerator cam felt just like what your describing with that bit of extra power. When I get a new double I plan on getting the tama dyna sync such great direct drive pedals
After 16 years i got a kit. I had played 20 plus years up to that point. It was agift xmas from my daighter. Now i am stoked. Definitely way way out of practice ...used to be good. But now im a rusty sob. Hahah. No worries. I got a little Green sparkle Ddrum d2r completely Stock. I need a kick pedal and cymbals now. The kick pedal on this thing is horrible. No reponse. Missing a spring and the one it does have is brutally cheap. So i have to sell or trade some guitar gear for a kick pedal and cymbals.
Btw thank you for this. I used to use a Speedking for years. Then a Tama pedal which was right before the iron cobras
@robertclarkguitar congratulations on the new kit!!! Playing drums is a blast! A great bang for the buck would be the dw3000 or the IC 600. I actually was playing the IC200 for a bit and actually really likes that as well. But I find the dw3000 is a good price for what you get
@@johnathan.jerusik That's rad man!!! Yeah it's been so long. I need to get a decent responsive one. Anything is better than this stock one hahaha
Best iron cobra pedal
Iorn cobras are a wicked nice pedal. They feel great under the feet.
@@johnathan.jerusik they are good , that said I have snapped two over the years. Not indestructible unfortunately
@@jakep5442 unfortunately nothing is! Lol. But I have no issue with any company really
Iron Cobra ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Maybe you should have checked out the Speed Cobra, which has a slightly longer footboard.
I actually want to for a double kick! I think the speed cobras look amazing and hear great things about them. I know a couple of my favorite drummers use them.
@@johnathan.jerusik I'm considering picking up the DW machined chain drive pedals. Crazy expensive, but when I tried them at NAMM they felt incredible.
@@jazzbecausejazz they looked great. Not gonna lie the dw9000 didn't blow me away but I have heard the machine are wicked awesome!! Have you looked at the trick pedals??
@@johnathan.jerusik No, I don't care for direct drive.
@@PaulMarangoni they did release a chain version. Im not sure how much a difference it would make. I know the spring system is different too
Or just get the DW 9000 XF it's really smooth and fast. Just my 2 cents worth...🤘🏼
I tried one, I was really nice but I didn't 100% agree with it. Im not sure why. It almost felt too smooth lol. But it's a almost the combination of alot of pedals. But I still love the dw5000 XF.
@@johnathan.jerusik yeah, I thought the same thing when I first got mind (double pedal) but had just come from and still have a Pearl pedal that direct drive and that pedal plays like , well if you play sloppy it plays sloppy , if you play smooth it plays smooth. It's crazy how accurate that pedal plays. A lot of people don't like that one, but I play it then ply the DW and it just works for me.... 😎
I play halfway back on the pedal as well.
@@michaelfarmer6877 ya I loved the few direct drives I have played. Haven't played the pearl yet but I want to. I even tried the trick Bigfoot. But I think I should give the dw9000 another shot
Nah. cobras are infinetly superior
you didnt say anything about the cobra coil.it dosent make any differense?
Truth be told I didn't really feel any different to have it or to not have it. I get the concept of it but I don't know how much it actually did overall.
@@johnathan.jerusik ok.thanks for the answer.and something else...did you really saw such a differense in the longest version of dw5000?i m asking couse i have the pearl eliminators and i m thinking to change them couse i m not that pleased of the feel.i ve played old iron cobras and i liked them a lot.
@@thodoris3790 yes I did. I felt the sweet spot on the xf version of the 5000 was a bit lower on the footboard. Like I loved the normal 5000, but my toes actually hit the chains when I was playing the pedal. The xf just allowed me to not only not have my toes be squished but I found that my technique has actually improved. Like I am able to have more control. Plus I also felt the feel was just the slightest bit lighter and smoother. Not a huge difference but when it came to playability I didn't feel little to any difference between the IC and the 5000. The biggest difference actually came down to the beater. The 5000 beater is heavier than the IC but the style of music I play I like the slightly extra weight when I get a huge slam against my bass drum. I will add again my foot is a size 13 wide. So for me 11inch to most longboards (13 inch usually) feel a bit more comfortable for my playing style. I do alot of heel toe for all my doubles. Even when I do a slower double hit I use my heel toe.
@@johnathan.jerusik i see.yes you need longboard for sure.i m size 11.thanks for the response.keep on drumming
@@thodoris3790 anytime man!!! Any other questions let me know! Hope I helped ya out!
use the same beater and they are the same, they are interchangeable, i'd rather sit at a kit with 2 kicks and one of each running matching beaters than a single kick with a slave drive
I found that result too. Alot of people here are very upset that I went with the DW. But I liked the features better and it played the same as the IC to me.
@@johnathan.jerusik we ended up doing that years ago (2000ish) me and a buddy, put our kits together it was oddball but the tamma has 2 variants one has a cam one is round there were 4 of us with kits swingstar and export in a 2000 person area we'd be at partys with everything under the sun back then like multiple halfstacks and a halfadozen fiddle players it was like 3 to 4 gragde bands we'd shuffle it up and go allnight in those days.
Usually you are a guitar player.......nuff said.
Caught me there! Guitar is my 1st instrument. Wasn't able to own a real kit until this year due to the fact that I was in an apartment for many years. But im happy to be back into drums! My kids love it lol
5000xl...longer board
The hinge on the HP900 gets loose after a few weeks, big flaw and very disappointing
Really? You know I feel like Tamas quality over the years has been up and down. I know people will die by the IC but they aren't perfect either.
@@johnathan.jerusik I wish I could post a video for you of mine
@@anthonyb924 if you search "Johnathan jerusik" on Instagram you should be able to find me.
@@johnathan.jerusik here I uploaded (first ever)
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I wonder why pedals are so commonly named after snakes, demons etc.. I Like single chain DW500 pedals. I also have an older modal Gibraltar INTRUDER (another dumb name) but has a solid direct drive. But always try this stuff out yourself. There all different!
I think people think the names are cool? Idk it's a bit corny for sure. I actually converted my old dw7000 to strap drive and been loving that! The dw5000 xf still going strong.
because double bass drums are mostly used by extreme metal drummers who get excited by brutal sounding product names.
And actually Cobra makes sense as beaters swivel back and forth like Cobra's head
you say you "play a lot of heel and toe" and that the "Iron Cobra feels better to play"....... but all those pedals are brand new and unplayed, no wear on the felt beaters, and one even has the footboard sticker on it :-)
So, I have played each pedal for about a week straight. One week on the Tama and one week on the dw5000. The ic900 vs the regular dw5000 yes the ic900 played nicer and smoother. That's actually why I made this video because I didn't understand why. Learning about the 10inch footboard on the dw vs the 11 inch on the ic 900. Also I play usually with socks or bare feet so I wouldn't ruin the pedals with shoes. Mostly because I did end up returning them. I don't make enough money to keep all of them. And I did pay out of pocket for them. When it came to the dw5000xf the difference between that and the ic900 was almost non playing wise. When I swamped the beaters between the ic900 and the dw5000xf each pedal actually felt like the other version. I'm not a heel toe player in the way of like a death metal drummer, I play heel toe more for punk and hard rock. More for accents and hardcore style. Some people do that with sliding their foot. I learned using heel toe. I hope that clears anything up. If not let me know!
The Iron Cobra toe clamp is the reason I’ll never buy another one.
That is something I didn't think of. Can you elaborate more?
Get Axis pedals people!!!!!! They are little dreams under your feet!!!
I got to try 1 many years ago and I remember they felt amazing! But you never hear much about them anymore.
No bloody way.. must be the worst pedals I have tried. I prefer 5000 over axis and the cobras over any other
I hear alot of mixed reviews but that really about it. I remember when I tried 1 it was like over 10 years ago and at the time they were the pedal. The only I played felt nice but it was a single pedal and the place I tried it had only low end single chain pedals. So could of influenced how I felt about that pedal.
@@johnathan.jerusik It felt so akward and wrong to me. It was also at least 10 years ago, maybe it was the settings that did not fit me? When i play my IC it feels like the pedal just sticks to my feet and i become one with them. I looove that feeling
@@michaelforest3332 100% agree the settings make a massive difference. I had a tama dyna sync for about a week. Once I moved it away from the stock settings I felt like i lost the whole pedal. It was weird.
Aghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
You ok?
@@johnathan.jerusik Yup im good i want the 5000.
@@justinengler9320 ahh! I get it! Honestly I have played the 9000 and I love the 5000 alot better. I feel like the 5000 is that perfect marriage of good price for quality for value.
@@johnathan.jerusik True
El ajuste de la maza del dw 5000 es una auténtica mierda
I do agree with you on that. I found I did need to adjust a bit more on the DW5000. And I found some aftermarket parts that really get the pedals to feel better. The Iron Cobra is a really hard to beat unit. When I get a new double bass pedal I am going with an Iron cobra. Which version? Not sure yet. I'm deciding between the 900, the speed cobra, and the dyna sync
Get on with it! Video could have been half the time.
I appreciate the constructive criticism and will remember that for next time. I was trying to be informative but I know I have a tendency to ramble too much. I apologize if I bored you. But I'll try to be more direct next time
@@johnathan.jerusik fair enough. It was very informative thanks.
@@glengoodwin I fo appreciate that! I hope that I did help you in any way. And feel free to ask any question. I try to be a level headed person. In a world of chaos I try to put a better foot forward.
@@johnathan.jerusik No. This is a perfect length. When the video is short I can't drink my coffee so fast.
That is perfect!!! I do the best that I can to allow people to get there caffeine fix!
Lol. Tama all day every day.
DW is over priced garbage
I can see how you feel that way. Depending on when I have tried dw some felt really great and some were not good at all. I think in the last few years they have been doing alot better with their quality. But same with tama. I use to work at a Guitar store over 10 years ago and alot of drummers weren't getting any of the new Tamas. Alot of them were complaining they didn't feel right. But I think that happens with alot of companies. But out of the 2 I would agree tama has been alot more consistent over the years
@JJ EDC DW pedals are clunky and slow. They have zero finesse and are terribly engineered.
DW pedals are nothing but cheap imitations of the Iron cobra. That's easy to see.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 ok ok you made your point. Your very passionate about this subject. I'm not going to say your opinion is wrong. I do agree that some DW products can be over priced for what they are. Anything above the 5000 series I didn't feel was worth it. And anything below the 5000 series has alot to be desired. I actually liked the IC alot it was just that clamp that I had issues with personally. I know the next pedal I plan on getting is the tama dyna sync. I have played everything from the low end IC 200 to the Trick pedals that everyone raves about. The dyna sync to me is probably one of the best pedals on the market. DW does a great job with their drums and other hardware but in my opion the pedals the 5000 series is the only good series. I didnt care for the 3000 or 7000 or 9000 I didn't even want to drop the money on the MFG so I can see your argument. The 5000 series to me is the only good series for the DW. The rest isn't up to par. With tama you see why one is worth more. Like I love the IC200. Single chain, felt great, but when I went to the IC900 I could feel the difference in quality and power and everything. Then up to the dyna sync I was blown away! I just could afford the dyna sync at the time.
@JJ EDC I have the Dyna Sync. I've been using it since it's release. It's a fantastic smooth pedal with plenty of power.
Vastly superior to anything from DW.
And Tricks look OK. I don't play extreme music rather thrash so Cobras and above are all I need.
@JJ EDC I also DW drums themselves are completely overpriced and overrated. John Good raves about how great the wood and whatnot is but that's a bs argument. The sound of those drums will change drastically depending on the heads you use and tuning you go with.
To me DW are nothing but con artists.
Shitty review. Didn’t mention Tama’s cobra coil which makes a huge response difference. Also the footboard and the beater are independently adjustable on the tama, and on the 5000 are not. And If you want an even longer footboard, go with the speed cobra.
I apologize I didn't meet your standards. My intentions weren't to upset people, but to help people with a choice that they could make there own decision. I love the IC. I never hated on the pedal at all. And I have owned a few other Tamas since that I have loved. I appreciate your criticism and next time I will mention those features.
The Iron Cobra is a solid pedal. I use the demon drive shaft, the red line beaters and the speed cobra springs. Every part of the pedal seems to be interchangeable only thing is the hinge. I want to know if the hinge and footboard of the dw5000xf can be connected on the iron cobra? Even considering the American screws and holes difference to the European standard screws and holes. The review is fine, both pedals have downsides my IC delivers reliable performance and speed over 6 years now. (had the demon drive for 7 and the pearl red line on the backup, never used it)
Thank you, I wasn't trying to be a review review in the traditional way. I do t like talking bad about products. I love the IC, but my whole point was every form or comparison list says "go with X" but no one really explains why? So when I spent the money on all of them I tried them all out for a solid week, and wanted to know exactly why the IC felt the way I did and why it was more comfortable to play than the standard DW. The DWXF and the IC to me felt so close. People are mad at me because I went with the DW. Both pedals are great people just get very passionate about what they use. That's why I never talked "bad" about the IC. But I didn't mention certain things yes because I didn't feel like the also made a difference. I'm glad you didn't hate the review.
@@johnathan.jerusik do you know if the hinge and footboard are of the 5000 serie can be connected on the IC you think? I love to know...:)
@@BloiDdrums oh sorry I forgot to answer that. I'm not 100% sure. The hindge on the 5000 is very beefy where the IC area is very compact. I'm not sure if the 2 are interchangeable
I have a suggestion. Don't do product reviews for things you know nothing about
May I ask what I know nothing about?