I had always wondered just how the show could have so many habitable worlds. A FIVE STAR system is a pretty convenient reason. Seriously this System is a statistical winning lottery ticket to have so many garden worlds.
Tbf, they did terraform (badly) a number of them; that was the Alliance’s whole thing “we put in the time/money/resources to make them habitable, therefore they’re ours” meanwhile the people that actually lived on the “new” planets were mostly like “nuh uh, we actually live here, come and take them” which they did.
Battlestar Galactica’s 12 colonies of Kobol has 12 habitable worlds in a 4 star system, with the stars orbiting each other in 2 pairs, then each pair orbits the other pair.
Impossible he meant the edge of the galaxy. All of the ships in Firefly are subluminal (slower than the speed of light). The trip between the Solar System to the Verse alone required sleeper ships over a century long.
@@elitemook4234 even if it were the case, the galactic "edge" as a concept would still be hundreds of light years across. It just wouldn't work at these scales
@@IstasPumaNevada you do realise that he had a ton of other shows elsewhere right? he was a jerkwad but so were plenty of other folks. that's not why fox cancelled firefly.
Thanks❣️ This was fun. More shows need to refer to in-universe maps like this. It would go a long way toward suspending disbelief and help dispel the sense that an all of a shows outside locations just happens to resemble Southern California, as you mention. 😉
I love you, everytime I see a video popping up, I'm so excited. Soooo looking forward to the Halo Video, and shop goodies is also amazing!!! Keep it up :)
OK... Has anyone tried to recreate this system in universe sandbox and tweaked it until it actually works? Maybe increase the orbital distances of the stars by a factor of ten? 20? 100? At some distance, it should start working for really long stretches of time, like for billions of years.
The only way I got it to work is 2 sets of binary stars forming a "tetranary" system with the 5th orbiting nearly a tenth of a light year away. That's just the stars too, I have no idea how to incorporate planets into this
Looks like you're taking the sky from them... anyway, a simple (and physically realistic) way to put five stellar bodies in relation is the one described by Luis Wu about the Puppeteers Worlds migration, a Klemperer rosette, I think you mention them on other of your videos... Excellent material, as always, very much appreciated!
You forgot to mention how the planets themselves violate all aspects of the circumstellar habitable zone around stars (also called the Goldilocks Zone). Too close and the worlds burn, too distant and they freeze, the range is narrow. Add in the laws of planetary motion and the need for sufficient distance between them and other planets (gravitational stability) and there is no way the worlds exist around the White Star, none at all. And then toss in the brown dwarfs that have been "lit", and the gravity from those would have ripped any such system to shred long ago. I never realized the series was so crap with basic science. wow
@@themarlboromandalorian Oh not disputing the fun aspect of the show. And the characters were well written and memorable. I was sad when it was cancelled and happy to at least get the one movie to tie things up. I do love the show. But I can also hate how the science just doesn't work lol.
The show didn't really follow any map other than whether they were flying towards or away from the core of Alliance space. It's the guy who made the map after the fact who didn't do all of the research.
@@walterengler5709 remember humanity had magic terraforming tech, the show mentions their ability to change a planet's gravity along with everything else. with this sort of tech it wouldn't matter where a planet is, just making the 'Verse large enough to be stable would be enough to sustain it probably and lighting up a brown dwarf would not change its gravity, just like turning the sun into a black hole would not change the orbits of anything in the system. We'd still freeze to death of course
I've been playing with a Firefly/Transhuman Space-Traveller crossover idea where a Scout discovers the Verse, and due to the Orion Mandate's (the fusion/equivalent of both the 2nd Imperium and 3rd Imperium of Traveller) policies, has the Scout infiltrate the Verse and gather information... ... though the system wouldn't be able to survive normally, it could if Science Cthuthulu had it as one of his experiment sites. That being loved to pull all sorts of experiments (including trying to recreate _himself_ surprisingly enough) on various species. If the Scout gets to be part of Mal's crew and gets caught up with River's situation, the panic button will be pressed and an entire System Theater (the Orion Mandate has larger units than theaters/commands that we use on Earth, like a Planetary Theater is several theaters large with the attendant space support while a System Theater is the forces to take over an entire star system, and tops out with Star Sector Commands which is all the forces of a star sector (basically provinces in our terminology), to give you an idea, the System Theater for The Verse will be several dozen Planetary Theaters large and have legit hundreds of millions of personnel and enough mass to equiv Luna).
The Verse never made sense: 1 If you have artificial gravity, you have a reactionless drive faster than a nuclear pulse engine 2 It's easier to fix earth than terraform dozen of worlds and igniting fusion in stars Well done 👍
entirely valid points, though to be fair we don't know exactly why they chose to leave beyond the overpopulation thing. There could be a thousand other variables in play
literally the intro of the movie said why earth was left. there was no "fixing" earth. everything was used up. nothing left. people had to go or die, probably slow deaths of starvation. also, it's one thing to say "oh hey, this thing let's us get a nice comfortable level of gravity for us to live in" and a whole other to say "let's use it to go super fast". Even if that wouldn't turn the crew into pulp, it's likely that it would be *prohibitively* expensive in terms of energy.
Impressive! Most impressive. This multi-star layout really helps me understand how a star-fairing civilization without FTL could hold together. Too bad the gravitational aspects would tear it apart system. In that respect, I still would have preferred that Whedon had given them FTL. But, if you can ignore the practical astrophysics, this arrangement works out pretty well. Thank you!
1:26 in this scene, which Solar System is meant? The one that ends in Neptune's orbit, the Kuiper Belt or the Oort Cloud? Because if the Solar System ends in the Oort Cloud, the diameter is 200,000 AU / 3.1 Light-Years, not just 10-15 Light Hours as shown.
What are your thoughts on The Expanse? Definitely a universe that's fun to explore, but modelling it might take a while if you included all the bases/locations in Sol
*possibly*, but extremely unlikely. more likely than not, they'd have to be on exactly opposing sides of the orbital track, or one cluster of rocks would have eventually pulled the other into it and they would become one planet. and even then, their orbits would likely differ slightly, which would eventually lead to some kind of instability in one or both orbits and they'd smack into each other anyway, either maintaining enough momentum around their star to gain a new (probably really weird) orbit, or they'd lose too much (or all) of their momentum and fall into the star.
Yeah... the 'verse. I love Firefly - the characters, stories. I ignore 'Verse canon (kinda made up my own) and added FTL capability. You know how it is.
What's with the random Singapore hate lol Singapore is a pretty awesome city state. Yeah it's got some strict rules and fines to enforce said rules, but it's hardly fascist. It's a flawed democracy at most, but has always had very transparent, free, and honest elections. Arguably some of the laws in the leader of the free world is far more restrictive and unreasonable.
I had always wondered just how the show could have so many habitable worlds. A FIVE STAR system is a pretty convenient reason. Seriously this System is a statistical winning lottery ticket to have so many garden worlds.
Tbf, they did terraform (badly) a number of them; that was the Alliance’s whole thing “we put in the time/money/resources to make them habitable, therefore they’re ours” meanwhile the people that actually lived on the “new” planets were mostly like “nuh uh, we actually live here, come and take them” which they did.
Battlestar Galactica’s 12 colonies of Kobol has 12 habitable worlds in a 4 star system, with the stars orbiting each other in 2 pairs, then each pair orbits the other pair.
My dad is a big fan of Firefly. Can’t wait to show him this.
Huh. I did not know 'the verse' was so small. I thought Jayne meant he'd been to the edge of the galaxy.
Impossible he meant the edge of the galaxy. All of the ships in Firefly are subluminal (slower than the speed of light). The trip between the Solar System to the Verse alone required sleeper ships over a century long.
@@oneMeVz Unless it was set close to the edge of the galaxy, or the ships that left 'earth that was' wen't 'up' on the galactic map.
@@elitemook4234 even if it were the case, the galactic "edge" as a concept would still be hundreds of light years across. It just wouldn't work at these scales
Always wonderful to spend more time in the Firefly universe. Wish we could get a lot more.
i've hated fox ever since
Joss Whedons Bully Allegations didnt help hes been Doxxed by Hollywood
@@alveolate And now we know what we know about Joss Whedon, it's probably a good thing overall for the people involved that it didn't go on longer.
@@IstasPumaNevada you do realise that he had a ton of other shows elsewhere right? he was a jerkwad but so were plenty of other folks. that's not why fox cancelled firefly.
Thanks❣️ This was fun. More shows need to refer to in-universe maps like this. It would go a long way toward suspending disbelief and help dispel the sense that an all of a shows outside locations just happens to resemble Southern California, as you mention. 😉
Fr I'm still waiting for him to do a vid about the foundation series
God, how "Uncharted Worlds" fits so well in any space themed video.
firefly had just the best soundtrack
@@alveolate GBA was talking about the Mass Effect soundtrack.
Over at Planet-Planet, the blogger proposed a more stable and realistic configuration according to how real multi-star systems are arranged.
Do stargate! I know the loactions are kinda random, but there it would be cool to see what you make of it.
Nice! I love the world building!
Face tattoo according to Google Translate: "Don't dare to raise the price."
We needed this! Thank you!
I love you, everytime I see a video popping up, I'm so excited. Soooo looking forward to the Halo Video, and shop goodies is also amazing!!! Keep it up :)
OK... Has anyone tried to recreate this system in universe sandbox and tweaked it until it actually works? Maybe increase the orbital distances of the stars by a factor of ten? 20? 100? At some distance, it should start working for really long stretches of time, like for billions of years.
Idk, but I'm about to
The only way I got it to work is 2 sets of binary stars forming a "tetranary" system with the 5th orbiting nearly a tenth of a light year away. That's just the stars too, I have no idea how to incorporate planets into this
Dayum! Those posters immediately got me to subscribe to you. If you're putting in this level of commitment, then a subscribe is an easy ask.
Great job! Love these videos. Thank you so much
My gawd the PAPYRUSSSSS!!!
Looks like you're taking the sky from them... anyway, a simple (and physically realistic) way to put five stellar bodies in relation is the one described by Luis Wu about the Puppeteers Worlds migration, a Klemperer rosette, I think you mention them on other of your videos... Excellent material, as always, very much appreciated!
This is so cool.
You forgot to mention how the planets themselves violate all aspects of the circumstellar habitable zone around stars (also called the Goldilocks Zone). Too close and the worlds burn, too distant and they freeze, the range is narrow. Add in the laws of planetary motion and the need for sufficient distance between them and other planets (gravitational stability) and there is no way the worlds exist around the White Star, none at all. And then toss in the brown dwarfs that have been "lit", and the gravity from those would have ripped any such system to shred long ago. I never realized the series was so crap with basic science. wow
Show is fun.
Lighten up.
@@themarlboromandalorian Oh not disputing the fun aspect of the show. And the characters were well written and memorable. I was sad when it was cancelled and happy to at least get the one movie to tie things up. I do love the show. But I can also hate how the science just doesn't work lol.
The show didn't really follow any map other than whether they were flying towards or away from the core of Alliance space.
It's the guy who made the map after the fact who didn't do all of the research.
@@walterengler5709 remember humanity had magic terraforming tech, the show mentions their ability to change a planet's gravity along with everything else. with this sort of tech it wouldn't matter where a planet is, just making the 'Verse large enough to be stable would be enough to sustain it probably
and lighting up a brown dwarf would not change its gravity, just like turning the sun into a black hole would not change the orbits of anything in the system. We'd still freeze to death of course
Any chance of you doing something like this for the Babylon 5 stars/planets?
I've been playing with a Firefly/Transhuman Space-Traveller crossover idea where a Scout discovers the Verse, and due to the Orion Mandate's (the fusion/equivalent of both the 2nd Imperium and 3rd Imperium of Traveller) policies, has the Scout infiltrate the Verse and gather information...
... though the system wouldn't be able to survive normally, it could if Science Cthuthulu had it as one of his experiment sites. That being loved to pull all sorts of experiments (including trying to recreate _himself_ surprisingly enough) on various species.
If the Scout gets to be part of Mal's crew and gets caught up with River's situation, the panic button will be pressed and an entire System Theater (the Orion Mandate has larger units than theaters/commands that we use on Earth, like a Planetary Theater is several theaters large with the attendant space support while a System Theater is the forces to take over an entire star system, and tops out with Star Sector Commands which is all the forces of a star sector (basically provinces in our terminology), to give you an idea, the System Theater for The Verse will be several dozen Planetary Theaters large and have legit hundreds of millions of personnel and enough mass to equiv Luna).
love fact that your emblem is a throwback to the emblem of the star fighter command from The Last StarFighter
Love these neat cosy scifi videos 💜
What? Singapore is lovely to live!
Love all your videos hope to see one about The Expanse
The Verse never made sense:
1 If you have artificial gravity, you have a reactionless drive faster than a nuclear pulse engine
2 It's easier to fix earth than terraform dozen of worlds and igniting fusion in stars
Well done 👍
entirely valid points, though to be fair we don't know exactly why they chose to leave beyond the overpopulation thing. There could be a thousand other variables in play
literally the intro of the movie said why earth was left. there was no "fixing" earth. everything was used up. nothing left. people had to go or die, probably slow deaths of starvation.
also, it's one thing to say "oh hey, this thing let's us get a nice comfortable level of gravity for us to live in" and a whole other to say "let's use it to go super fast". Even if that wouldn't turn the crew into pulp, it's likely that it would be *prohibitively* expensive in terms of energy.
new planets and hundreds of (inhabitable) moons - the universe of Mal and Inara. cool clip. 👍
The 13,000AU distance of Alpha Centauri's stars sounded far, but it's not going to stop me from getting that mug.
Impressive! Most impressive. This multi-star layout really helps me understand how a star-fairing civilization without FTL could hold together. Too bad the gravitational aspects would tear it apart system. In that respect, I still would have preferred that Whedon had given them FTL. But, if you can ignore the practical astrophysics, this arrangement works out pretty well. Thank you!
Woooohooooooo Halo map!!!
This star system is so impossible, that I'm quite literally rooting for it.
of course humans came up with detonating nukes behind a ship to move it forward, and also, props for ME map music
Map out the stars of the 40k universe please
awesome video! what software are you using to try and simulate the system?
1:26 in this scene, which Solar System is meant? The one that ends in Neptune's orbit, the Kuiper Belt or the Oort Cloud? Because if the Solar System ends in the Oort Cloud, the diameter is 200,000 AU / 3.1 Light-Years, not just 10-15 Light Hours as shown.
Based on the model he probably means to Neptune’s orbit
Awesome video. Any chance of you doing something like this for Battlestar Galactica (Cyrannus System)?
Could you make a poster of the locations in the Bobiverse? I would instantly buy that, but very niche I know.
Also mark the Bobs where they were cloned and where they went!
What are your thoughts on The Expanse? Definitely a universe that's fun to explore, but modelling it might take a while if you included all the bases/locations in Sol
I would love to see Star wars which I know is basic but also there is a lot of info for mapping that
berklent currents are what stars are connected to and by. All stars are electric.
Do BSG next!
the goat
i would love a expanse video even if it just 90% the sol systeme!
How many habitable planets can orbit one star?
Can two or more planets share the same orbit?
*possibly*, but extremely unlikely. more likely than not, they'd have to be on exactly opposing sides of the orbital track, or one cluster of rocks would have eventually pulled the other into it and they would become one planet. and even then, their orbits would likely differ slightly, which would eventually lead to some kind of instability in one or both orbits and they'd smack into each other anyway, either maintaining enough momentum around their star to gain a new (probably really weird) orbit, or they'd lose too much (or all) of their momentum and fall into the star.
Yeah... the 'verse. I love Firefly - the characters, stories. I ignore 'Verse canon (kinda made up my own) and added FTL capability. You know how it is.
What's with the random Singapore hate lol
Singapore is a pretty awesome city state. Yeah it's got some strict rules and fines to enforce said rules, but it's hardly fascist. It's a flawed democracy at most, but has always had very transparent, free, and honest elections.
Arguably some of the laws in the leader of the free world is far more restrictive and unreasonable.
singapore is more democratic than USA sometimes
Some of us just want to chew gum
I missed that series somehow. I have never watched even one minute of it.
please, do yourself a favor and go watch it as soon as realistically possible. And then watch the movie.
More like space orcs than space zombies.
Please do a 40k one please
Fun physics fact: we don't actually know how gravity works when there are more two bodies. Were just guessing.
I almost called this video the Five Body Problem
Halo next ?:D
good video, but it kinda makes me sad. time to get the DVDs, eh?
Where were the 13 colonies and Kobol of Battlestar Galactica?
Regina in The Georgia system means Regina vacated Canada In the Verse lol
so bassically this is the 12 colonnies 4 star sytem from bsg
Basically the 12 colonies of Kobol (aka Cyrannus), but *b i g g e r*
I want Babylon5.
How is there so many brown dwarves
Nice, but I would like a Starfield video, the 2D view of systems in Starfield is just annoying.
Red dwarf.. as in the travels of red dwarf tv show.Had to edit that incase you thought i was making a radom comment about a star...🙄
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Eh, its scifi, just say aliens did it, like the Corellia system in the old EU of Star Wars.
acutally there was a five star system discovered in 2015, so yes it can exist.
Murphy is my last name!
This looks great, maybe you could make an entire video on the Halo series.