My problem with weapon durability is simple. They intended it for more exploration but i found myself not taking on certain fights or goin in certain locations because it wasnt worth breaking weapons for. And the biggest reason i hated it was it easily took up 5-10 hours of my BOTW time played fucking with my weapons. Be it switching out weapons or having to go hunt new ones for a upciming battle it just made it all feel like a chore and thats never how a zelda game has made me feel till now. The fusing of items might make it more interesting but i feel ill spend even more time dicking around with my weapons and this is something i desperately dont wanna do.
I honestly don't get this though. How is it "not worth breaking weapons for" when you can literally farm high level weapons that keep respawning in the same areas every day. Like, even royal weapons aren't rare at all, there is absolutely no reason at all to ever not use them other than being a risk averse cowardly player.
lol I'm glad to see someone else pointing out the LONG development time considering all the assets were reused. I've heard almost no one talk about it, the six year delay was literally the biggest Zelda drought we've ever had and I don't see anything that's been added to justify it, looks more like glorified DLC from the trailers. At least previously you had home console and handheld games released to make the wait between titles more bearable, they've merged their departments and it's tanked their productivity.
I think it's bad because Loss Aversion is a thing. It's why a lot of people will hoard their good healing items in games and NEVER use them. A lot of people will skip on combat because they don't want their weapons to break because it feels far more worse to break a weapon than it feels good to find a good weapon. Even the "good" weapons break after what feels like 5 enemies. It feels wasteful especially if you are not really gaining something when killing enemies. Don't get me wrong people are free to like the mechanic but there's a psychologic reason why people DO dislike it and it would be stupid to tell people to simple get over it. And it's just not fun to a lot of people. I got used to it, but it was never FUN to me, I also didn't see it as a challenge, it didn't make the game more engaging to me, it was only annoying. It also makes finding weapons less fun in my opinion, because you know you will just break it anyways in 5 minutes.
Exactly. I literally shelved this game because of the ridiculous short life of weapons. I'd rather just play another round of link to the past for a few hours.
Well,they "fixed" this issue in TOTK and it completely broke the game for me. Seriously, no fun at all, now you can just use weapons willy nilly with no need to conserve or strategize at all, and it has seriously killed the game for me. I hope you arses are happy. You ruined what could have been a good game for thousands of people with your baseless complaints just because you couldn't be arsed to get out of your comfort zones for one game.
@robokill387 I wouldn't consider it fixed. I've played BotW with no durability and the game was actually far more fun. I could actually use strategy and different weapons. Before i would get as many slots as I could fine Korok seeds, then hoard the best of my favorite weapon type. I could 20 slots and have them all be royal broad swords. Once durability wasn't a thing I spent no tine hunting for weapons after a blood moon, I foind the best version of a weapon naturally as I played and kept upgrading and switching up play style. Instead of a hoard of the same weaposn type, I had an example of each weapon that I would experiment with every fight. So much better. By not forcing me to switch on a regular basis, I ended up switching more often and by choice.
The only time the durability really bothered me in Breath of the Wild was with the Master Sword. I get it respawns but it was so strange to see the canonically strongest weapon in the series vanish into thin air after a few strikes. I think fusing weapons is an elegant and charmingly Nintendo solution to the problem. Pretty great compromise IMO.
My biggest issues with weapon durability are: 1. It feels like the developers are FORCING me to have to use different weapons, when it's not the devs place to dictate how I play my game. If I want to go through the game using a cool spear I found in a dungeon for the whole game, then I should be able to. Fuck weapon durability. If the devs want me to mix things up, they should make it where different weapons have different playstyles, so if I want to play the game in a different manner, I can be like "This spear is awesome, but I wanna see what this halberd be like." and then I can learn and utilize the halberd's play style to mix things up a bit. 2. It feels like I'm being punished for getting into combat considering weapons are so fuckin fragile, which is terrible game design in a game where combat is a key mechanic.
Hey man, I know your comment is 5 months old, but I just HAD to agree to it. I fucking LOATHE weapon durability for the exact reasons that you mentioned. It'd be one thing if the crummy weapons broke, like literal sticks, mass produced generic swords and such, etc. But fucking Royal weapons? Mystical Elemental weapons? THE FUCKING MASTER SWORD OF LEGEND????? Nothing masterful about it if I can only use it for 30 minutes before it needs some quality R&R. I just hate the durability system, and I'm legitimately thinking about modding my console for the first time just so I can take it out. What the hell is the point of ever getting into combat if I only ever lose items, not always gain them. I love combat, but I can never enjoy it in this game and would often avoid it all together to hoard my precious weapons. It's bullshit.
@@LineOfThyi dropped zelda botw after 30 hours midway, because it became just a chore and frustrating. Even early in the game it was frustrating. Once I got the master sword. After it broke I was done ffs and sold the game. They should make a hard quest or a way to make one of ur own arsenal weapons unbreakable to make rewarding. Either by paying hefty money or just getting master sword Master sword shouldn t break it is just stupid dumb design. + i had another issue, the game was kinda empty of variety content like quests and new things, for a map that big it was actually empty.
The only time it felt dumb to me was when I tried to fight some strong lizalfos in master mode and their insane health pool combined with the movement pattern letting them regenerate some health between each window of opportunity to hit them meant you could use all of your weapons to get their loot and worse weapons. I know there's other ways to defeat enemies than wacking them with everything you put in your inventory but really? You're going to make killing an enemy a net loss for me?
I honestly kinda liked the weapon breaking mecanic it makes the combat more engaging instead of just killing enemies with your best equipment very easy you have to strategize and use some of the weaker weapons in your inventory it was dose really well in botw and I’m sure it’ll be good with the fusion mechanic in totk
@@nathanael9159i like to use the iconic weapons you can find around the map without them breaking so i find it quite annoying that i just have to use my ugliest weak weapons first and usually won’t even get to use my best weapons because they’ll just break
I didn't hate this mechanic in Botw and found it a clumsy but understandable decision. But Fuse makes me really hate weapon durability. I have several problems with it, but the biggest one is the extremely annoying inventory management. You need to do too much digging in your inventory every. single. time. your glass-fragile weapon breaks. It grows worse and worse as you get more items and the battles become longer with stronger enemies. Not to mention that it totally breaks the combat flow. Digging through your inventory takes literally hours of total playtime (and your life) without improving the experience. I can't remember a game with inventory management THIS annoying -- at least, a good game, and I've seen many.
Agreed, I think the new "Fuse" mechanic is a way to counteract weapon durability, as it seems like fused weapons restore the original's durability and can have more durability than the original items. Plus now that you're encouraged to experiment with fusing weapons and items together the breaking makes more sense
I don’t know if it should be included in the future or not but it definitely worked for Breath of the Wild and it was a fresh take on a new open world experiment. Honestly, anyone that had a problem with weapon durability probably had some skill issues. It’s not that hard to deal with especially if you know what you are doing. It also made combat somewhat of a chess match because you had to constantly plan ahead of time and actually think about strategy. You also constantly see yourself progressing, improving, and getting smarter throughout the game. I thought the enemy variety was a much bigger issue considering how vast the map is.
v…TLDR I solved weapon durability…v Weapon durability should have been replaced with weapon upgrading / scaling. You find a variety of weapons at the beginning of the game, and decide which ones you want to invest materials you’ve gathered into to upgrade. As you kill higher tier enemies you gain hidden xp (similar to the scaling system in botw). Higher tier enemies will begin to appear and will carry non-upgraded higher class weapons with higher base stats so killing them will be challenging and rewarding, encouraging engaging in combat, not avoiding it. Duplicate weapons can be used as upgrade materials. Suddenly every weapon has value even if it has no upgrades and has worse stats than your current weapon. By the endgame you will either have or be able to find and upgrade weapons that are the strongest available, just like you are able to more easily find stronger weapons in botw. We should also have inventory space for one of every kind of weapon for the collector-completionists out there. Also, this would have to increase the enemy variety to keep the gameplay loop going long enough (enemy variety has been REALLY lacking as it is so this is a plus) And to guarantee constant exploration, they should implement a hunger mechanic, so that we actually need to live in this world and take action to survive in it. Differentiating what kinds of meat we have collected and from what animal it is from would be a nice addition to those who might be eager to feel immersed in a hunt. Giving us these changes opens up more ways to play the game and gives the player freedom instead of essentially telling us “be careful when you use your sword, it breaks, a lot. Focus on exploring”.
the problem i had with it was that it encouraged me to save my good weapons for hard enemies, but after a certain point there just. arent any hard enemies. i was convinced that the final boss was going to require like most of my weapon stockpile, because the final boss should be the hardest enemy right? the ultimate test? especially with so many incredibly powerful weapons, this seems like a reasonable conclusion. no lol. they half the boss' hp and i only used the master sword. i really hope totk has a better ending.
i just hope there's something besides weapons just breaking, cause nobody wants weapons to break. Maybe the fusing is the answer but we don't know yet.
Also, those other games don't outright destroy your weapons if their durability is used up, you can still fix them and they also usually last a whole lot longer. BotW obliterates them entirely and you have to find a new one after a dozen swings.
Curious to see what the actual stuff they've been working on for the past six years is, these are cool mechanics and all but I'm still not completely sold on it just being the same world with some floating islands added.
It is if the game its implemented in isnt balanced properly. They dont let you check, repair or craft anything useful so durability is a pointless mechanic. New Vegas is an example of durability done right.
It's totally fine imo. Makes combat really dynamic, and no weapon is ever truly useless. Especially when you add the Fuse mechanic, since not only does the weapon get better, it seems like the weapon is atleast partially repaired when the durability gets increased.
So the only way to keep that nice looking sword you found is to duck tape a goofy rock or mushroom to it? That’s sure not going to get old having random shit hanging from all your equipment.
Weapon durability never really bothered me much, I think it encourages you to live in the moment combat wise and just chuck everything you have at enemies then regroup later. However I totally agree that it needed some tweaking. It is pretty weird how the super nice weapons seem to be the most fragile. The new fuse mechanic seems like a great middle ground, and I hope TOTK will have a strong Zelda game built on top of those new mechanics. I'm so glad I can finally imagine myself actually playing this game. I'm already coming up with ideas, like using a puffshroom on an arrow to make distance smoke bombs
That was my biggest gripe with weapon durability, since everything had a set number of hits, no matter what you attack, none of the weapons felt significantly better than the others. The fusion mechanic is a welcome addition because ot addresses the durability complaints while giving it an interesting twist. However, if Ultra Hand and Fusion are what sets this game apart from other Zelda games, then I am a bit underwhelmed.
You get to duck tape a goofy ass mushroom or rock to that cool sword you really like. That’s the only way to hold on to it. What’s that? You just want it to look like a cool sword? Weelll ok, but only if you’re cool with it breaking really fast forcing you to make random duck taped shit instead.
The master sword shouldn’t break tho… Ms should lose her power and hit for way less while recharging. It was never fun to break weapons but i got used to it kinda like playing a Halo game an changing weapons constantly. In my opinion, the MS should be obtainable only at the end and be the only unbreakable weapon. It makes no sense to hold the most powerful of weapons and break it after a few swings.
Nope, now it's too easy and there's no strategy as a result. Why conserve weapons and plan ways to kill enemies while minimising weapon use when you can just glue rocks to basic weapons and plow through 90% of the game? Fucking sucks. I hate people who bitched about breakable weapons even though they make perfect sense within this game's system. People are just shit at the game and are blaming the game for it rather than bothering to learn new strategies.
Its very simple, make the weapons last 5-6x longer so when a weapon is about to break, its a big deal. Then add in a repair system using resources found in the world. I mean damn, the whole game you're exploring and scavenging and obtaining resources, let me put them to good use with reparing weapons. Also, make the master sword never run out of durability. Its supposed to be the god tier sword of the world, thats its design.
i think the weapons durability adds some kind of tension to the gameplay that we wouldnt have otherwise... when i started playing botw i was pissed that my stuff broke all the time, but now i think it's kinda cool
Personally still hope they tweak weapon durability anyway, cause we still don't know if you can like, put a weapon back into your inventory after fusing, or how broad the implications are
Treating weapons like consumables just also came with all the downsides of consumables, it encouraged hoarding. Elden Ring does not turn your weapons into fine powder if you swing them a dozen times and yet I never felt I needed more excuses to go explorin'...
I love the weapon breaking mechanic. They could afford to make them break less often or maybe have a repair area, but i like having to scrap around in the open world and try to survive when all my weapons run out
EDIT: Before anyone says it, yes the fuse system absolutely helps alleviate the horrible durability system. Keyword being alleviates though, not fixes. It's a bandaid solution to something I still very much have a problem with. I'll flatout say it, weapon durability in BotW and now TotK legitimately harms the experience for me in a very big way. I do not view it as valuable or integral to the game at all, and I would genuinely have a lot more fun with it removed entirely. People can argue counter points all damn day until their blue in the tits, and while I do agree with some points, I just can't agree on the mechanic being here as a whole, at least not in it's current state. Every single enemy encounter I face, I have to weigh if it's even worth engaging considering all the weapons I'm probably about to lose. Sure, you could say that's the point, it's all about strategy, but it ends up pushing me to avoid all unnecessary combat in general. There's no strategy to it, there's no enjoyment. If it isn't required to progress, I'll just avoid combat altogether and continue hoarding all my good weapons, only ever using my shitty weapons when I HAVE to fight. It does not promote variety, it does not promote strategic planning, it is purely a tedious system for the sake of tedium and just encourages hoarding shit "until I absolutely need it." I would be totally on board if only tree branches, mass produced generic swords and weapons and such broke, hell I'd even be okay with more specialized weapons like the Yiga blades breaking to counteract their projectile ability, but the Royal weapons or the literal MASTER SWORD? It is just asinine. I have less fun because I have to avoid combat and weapons as rewards mean so much less when they'll all just break.
I never had an issue with weapon durability as I never ran out of weapons to the point I would purposefully fight lynels and guardians to break them to make space. My only gripe is how when the champion weapons break, they dont get "repaired" instead you get replicas which is sad. So I never used them and just hung em on the wall. Usually a weapon was scaled strong enough to defeat a few enemies that had weapons you could pick up. I even resorted to using the weaker weapons first in hopes theyd break faster and I could use the other stuff. But nope. So I said whatever and used whatever lol. Though I love some weapon designs more than others, so I wish skins were a thing for them. I didnt mind the Master Sword too much because it would have made everything else irrelevant, hilariously I used it more for chopping trees. It goes up to full durability against Calamity Ganon, so it doesnt break against him ever...unless youre on master mode and you drag the fight out with his health regen.
I don’t get the hate against weapon breaking. If you found the highest damage wepon in the game. All you would use is that one sword. The reason why they have weapon durability is so that you explore more weapons and items. Also half of the chests would be gone, as half of them are weapons. You wouldn’t need them if you just had that one powerful weapon.
It’s called weapon balancing. If there’s one Uber sword that everybody’s using, it’s either because that sword is too strong or the other weapons don’t have enough going for them. Make everything useable and people will just pick what they like and stick with it. So many games get this right.
@@thebiggestpanda1 that’s the thing. You can’t make everything useful all game because this is a different genre of game. This game has enemy scaling, which means that, for the weapons to all be equal power, they would either be way to powerful in the first half of the game, which is boring and in general terrible design, or way to weak in the endgame, which might be worse.
@@padraig-bobotia-maria5176 I don’t. I’m saying if there is an over powered weapon, that’s all that’s ever gonna be used. So what’s the point in making other unique weapons
It is the second in place reason I wont be buying another zelda game. The first reason is those giggling ninjas in botw that were not a challenge but just seemed to keep spawning in what felt like every five minutes. They lost me as a potential customer. But its not my game as I am not a zelda fan. If the fans like it good for them. I wont be coming back.
I don't even think the weopons break to much, by the end of the game I litererally had entire inventory filled with Royal grade weopons all with some modifiers, and I pretty much never ran out of even good weopons also rare weopons aren't rare you can just go back to where you found them on the next blood moon.
You can get weapons everywhere in botw, if the weapons didn't break you would just use the same ones again and again... I actually enjoyed it sometimes, when you just had all the weapons in a breaking point and you decide to breack those in the head of a centaleon, is just funny.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with people falling in love with a particular weapon and wanting to use it exclusively. This system instead just forces you to use whatever you have without really caring too much. It hampers gameplay variability too because all the weapons need to be similar enough to each other so that you aren’t faced with a situation in which you can’t win a fight because your weapons that would suit the situation all broke. Every claymore has the same move set. Every sword. Every spear. They’re just reskins with different numbers. The reskinning is kinda pointless though because you’ll never have a piece of equipment long enough to actually grow attached to it.
@@thebiggestpanda1 I understand that some people want to use one weapon exclusively but, that would breack the game in many ways. They could have added something in where you use materials to repair them and make them more resistant but, in TOTK seems like the zelda team already inplemented it in a funny way, you can apparently just bind the weapon with a determinated item and it will be repaired and will last longer... That said, there are many ways to get weapons in BOTW and is not that hard to find a specific one so... It's not a problem for me.
@@DMP64 there is no functional difference between using one sword for a fight and 4 swords for a fight beyond menu navigation. The only thing they would need to change by eliminating weapon durability would be to make weapon drops very rare and implement an upgrade system so weapons can scale as the game progresses.
@@thebiggestpanda1 Just like how I'm so mad that there isn't a button that makes all enemies passive. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people wanting to do a pacifist route.
@@DMP64 Lack of durability didn't break any of the other Zelda games. All it would change is that people would prefer the more powerful weapon over the old one, which is a different version of the weapon upgrade system Zelda has employed in almost every previous game.
it looks the same because the console is the same and the graphics were already on the roof on the switch capabilities, just look the graphics in the pokemon games, a framchise that moves more money than zelda
Isn't that kind of the argument against durability though? It doesn't add anything to the game as it doesn't make the battles more tense, it just makes the battles more tedious.
Taking away weapons breaking would ruin the game. To me combat was at its absolute best when I was constantly improvising. Cycling through weapons, picking them up as enemies drop them, igniting explosives, climbing up high to shoot some arrows, throwing a weapon about to break to do double damage, etc. Fusion will definitely encourage more of this as well, so I hope the ppl who find it annoying will complain less now since they can effectively just stick a bandage on 😂
I've never been a "graphics matter" kinda guy.... Until lately with Nintendo. Like have y'all seen what Resident Evil 4 remake looks like? It's fucking gorgeous. It makes BOTW look like its running on a N64 lol
i mean it may as well be lol. the switch is an oversized android tablet, while the ps5 is fucking massive, and can have hotter temps because you dont have to hold it in ur hand to play it (and it uses liquid metal and MASSIVE fucking fans and heatsinks to cool). it also doesnt have to worry about battery life or power, it just sucks straight from the wall. all that on top of being developed years after the switch, and you get a console leaps and bounds more capable than the switch.
@@theanimeditor6400 Literally my point. They are un-comparable. I guess if I need to dumb down my point so much you can understand it: switch bad Nintendo need make new console
@@attackondak its not that you needed to dumb it down, you worded it poorly. it was easy to interpret your comment as critical of the software developers, instead of frustration at the the hardware. this is likely due to the fact that you didnt actually mention the switch or any other modern consoles by name. hope this helps
I'll never understand the complaints against the durability system. These aren't games where you spend hours and hours improving and mastering a single weapon only for it to break. It's clear from the very start that weapons are expendable resources to be managed but ultimately used.
The problem most people have is that it disincentivizes combat. There's no reason to fight that camp of bokoblins if it means I'll blow through all my weapons and be left with clubs instead. It also mucks up inventory management and makes it disappointing to be rewarded with a weapon after a quest or shrine.
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The only issue for me with it is the fact that the champion's weapons break...and then when repaired the description says its only a replica now.
The moment the word "Fuse" appeared on the screen, my mind went:
"Welcome to the Cathedral of Shadows, where demons gather"
dont see many Shin Megami Tensei references
My one wish is that you could easily tell how damaged or how durable your weapon is.
Maybe a cloth piece, like how the wild shirt shows hp. Just a little something for newbies to gain confidence
My problem with weapon durability is simple. They intended it for more exploration but i found myself not taking on certain fights or goin in certain locations because it wasnt worth breaking weapons for. And the biggest reason i hated it was it easily took up 5-10 hours of my BOTW time played fucking with my weapons. Be it switching out weapons or having to go hunt new ones for a upciming battle it just made it all feel like a chore and thats never how a zelda game has made me feel till now. The fusing of items might make it more interesting but i feel ill spend even more time dicking around with my weapons and this is something i desperately dont wanna do.
I honestly don't get this though. How is it "not worth breaking weapons for" when you can literally farm high level weapons that keep respawning in the same areas every day. Like, even royal weapons aren't rare at all, there is absolutely no reason at all to ever not use them other than being a risk averse cowardly player.
@@robokill387 I don't think any other Zelda game (besides maybe AoL) has required "farming" of weapons
The original thumbnail on this video was so good 😢😂
lol I'm glad to see someone else pointing out the LONG development time considering all the assets were reused. I've heard almost no one talk about it, the six year delay was literally the biggest Zelda drought we've ever had and I don't see anything that's been added to justify it, looks more like glorified DLC from the trailers. At least previously you had home console and handheld games released to make the wait between titles more bearable, they've merged their departments and it's tanked their productivity.
I think it's bad because Loss Aversion is a thing. It's why a lot of people will hoard their good healing items in games and NEVER use them. A lot of people will skip on combat because they don't want their weapons to break because it feels far more worse to break a weapon than it feels good to find a good weapon. Even the "good" weapons break after what feels like 5 enemies. It feels wasteful especially if you are not really gaining something when killing enemies.
Don't get me wrong people are free to like the mechanic but there's a psychologic reason why people DO dislike it and it would be stupid to tell people to simple get over it. And it's just not fun to a lot of people.
I got used to it, but it was never FUN to me, I also didn't see it as a challenge, it didn't make the game more engaging to me, it was only annoying. It also makes finding weapons less fun in my opinion, because you know you will just break it anyways in 5 minutes.
Exactly. I literally shelved this game because of the ridiculous short life of weapons. I'd rather just play another round of link to the past for a few hours.
Well,they "fixed" this issue in TOTK and it completely broke the game for me. Seriously, no fun at all, now you can just use weapons willy nilly with no need to conserve or strategize at all, and it has seriously killed the game for me. I hope you arses are happy. You ruined what could have been a good game for thousands of people with your baseless complaints just because you couldn't be arsed to get out of your comfort zones for one game.
@@robokill387you make it sound like the gameplay is soo bad that the weapon degradation is the only way too add strategy to it.
@robokill387 I wouldn't consider it fixed. I've played BotW with no durability and the game was actually far more fun. I could actually use strategy and different weapons. Before i would get as many slots as I could fine Korok seeds, then hoard the best of my favorite weapon type. I could 20 slots and have them all be royal broad swords. Once durability wasn't a thing I spent no tine hunting for weapons after a blood moon, I foind the best version of a weapon naturally as I played and kept upgrading and switching up play style. Instead of a hoard of the same weaposn type, I had an example of each weapon that I would experiment with every fight. So much better. By not forcing me to switch on a regular basis, I ended up switching more often and by choice.
The only time the durability really bothered me in Breath of the Wild was with the Master Sword. I get it respawns but it was so strange to see the canonically strongest weapon in the series vanish into thin air after a few strikes. I think fusing weapons is an elegant and charmingly Nintendo solution to the problem. Pretty great compromise IMO.
i'm playing botw for the first time now and like, until last week i tought that the master sword was unbreakable
Lore-wise apparently Link used it so much he nearly destroyed it.
My biggest issues with weapon durability are: 1. It feels like the developers are FORCING me to have to use different weapons, when it's not the devs place to dictate how I play my game. If I want to go through the game using a cool spear I found in a dungeon for the whole game, then I should be able to. Fuck weapon durability. If the devs want me to mix things up, they should make it where different weapons have different playstyles, so if I want to play the game in a different manner, I can be like "This spear is awesome, but I wanna see what this halberd be like." and then I can learn and utilize the halberd's play style to mix things up a bit. 2. It feels like I'm being punished for getting into combat considering weapons are so fuckin fragile, which is terrible game design in a game where combat is a key mechanic.
Point 2 hits hard, it made me want to avoid all combat as I knew I'd likely come out with a net loss in terms of weapon quality
Hey man, I know your comment is 5 months old, but I just HAD to agree to it. I fucking LOATHE weapon durability for the exact reasons that you mentioned. It'd be one thing if the crummy weapons broke, like literal sticks, mass produced generic swords and such, etc. But fucking Royal weapons? Mystical Elemental weapons? THE FUCKING MASTER SWORD OF LEGEND????? Nothing masterful about it if I can only use it for 30 minutes before it needs some quality R&R.
I just hate the durability system, and I'm legitimately thinking about modding my console for the first time just so I can take it out. What the hell is the point of ever getting into combat if I only ever lose items, not always gain them. I love combat, but I can never enjoy it in this game and would often avoid it all together to hoard my precious weapons. It's bullshit.
They should remove the timer on the master sword. It should be the one weapon that doesn't have these limits.
yeah but then all weapons below it are useless.
@@LineOfThythat’s the whole point of a legendary weapon you shouldn’t want to use anything else you have the ultimate weapon
@@47battles That's against the game philosophy of BoTW
Then it is flawed philosophy by design @@LineOfThy
@@LineOfThyi dropped zelda botw after 30 hours midway, because it became just a chore and frustrating. Even early in the game it was frustrating.
Once I got the master sword. After it broke I was done ffs and sold the game.
They should make a hard quest or a way to make one of ur own arsenal weapons unbreakable to make rewarding. Either by paying hefty money or just getting master sword
Master sword shouldn t break it is just stupid dumb design.
+ i had another issue, the game was kinda empty of variety content like quests and new things, for a map that big it was actually empty.
Dark souls was a bad example as you can easily repair your weapon for a miniscule amount of souls
This is one of the reasons I can't go back to Botw after Elden Ring.
The only time it felt dumb to me was when I tried to fight some strong lizalfos in master mode and their insane health pool combined with the movement pattern letting them regenerate some health between each window of opportunity to hit them meant you could use all of your weapons to get their loot and worse weapons.
I know there's other ways to defeat enemies than wacking them with everything you put in your inventory but really? You're going to make killing an enemy a net loss for me?
You know what? The entire TotK needed a "little tuning"..
Yep. I only play on emulators with invincible weapons.
that's not something to brag about
@@slickdrick are the way to ruin the game
@@slickdrick Keep telling yourself that
@@slickdrick :)
@@slickdrick That's honestly so pathetic it's kinda funny
I honestly kinda liked the weapon breaking mecanic it makes the combat more engaging instead of just killing enemies with your best equipment very easy you have to strategize and use some of the weaker weapons in your inventory it was dose really well in botw and I’m sure it’ll be good with the fusion mechanic in totk
I agree.
@@nathanael9159i like to use the iconic weapons you can find around the map without them breaking so i find it quite annoying that i just have to use my ugliest weak weapons first and usually won’t even get to use my best weapons because they’ll just break
I didn't hate this mechanic in Botw and found it a clumsy but understandable decision. But Fuse makes me really hate weapon durability. I have several problems with it, but the biggest one is the extremely annoying inventory management. You need to do too much digging in your inventory every. single. time. your glass-fragile weapon breaks. It grows worse and worse as you get more items and the battles become longer with stronger enemies. Not to mention that it totally breaks the combat flow. Digging through your inventory takes literally hours of total playtime (and your life) without improving the experience. I can't remember a game with inventory management THIS annoying -- at least, a good game, and I've seen many.
I was not impressed with the showcase but, the mushroom shield sold me to wait and see.
Agreed, I think the new "Fuse" mechanic is a way to counteract weapon durability, as it seems like fused weapons restore the original's durability and can have more durability than the original items. Plus now that you're encouraged to experiment with fusing weapons and items together the breaking makes more sense
Goated music choice
I don’t know if it should be included in the future or not but it definitely worked for Breath of the Wild and it was a fresh take on a new open world experiment. Honestly, anyone that had a problem with weapon durability probably had some skill issues. It’s not that hard to deal with especially if you know what you are doing. It also made combat somewhat of a chess match because you had to constantly plan ahead of time and actually think about strategy. You also constantly see yourself progressing, improving, and getting smarter throughout the game. I thought the enemy variety was a much bigger issue considering how vast the map is.
v…TLDR I solved weapon durability…v
Weapon durability should have been replaced with weapon upgrading / scaling. You find a variety of weapons at the beginning of the game, and decide which ones you want to invest materials you’ve gathered into to upgrade. As you kill higher tier enemies you gain hidden xp (similar to the scaling system in botw). Higher tier enemies will begin to appear and will carry non-upgraded higher class weapons with higher base stats so killing them will be challenging and rewarding, encouraging engaging in combat, not avoiding it. Duplicate weapons can be used as upgrade materials. Suddenly every weapon has value even if it has no upgrades and has worse stats than your current weapon. By the endgame you will either have or be able to find and upgrade weapons that are the strongest available, just like you are able to more easily find stronger weapons in botw. We should also have inventory space for one of every kind of weapon for the collector-completionists out there. Also, this would have to increase the enemy variety to keep the gameplay loop going long enough (enemy variety has been REALLY lacking as it is so this is a plus)
And to guarantee constant exploration, they should implement a hunger mechanic, so that we actually need to live in this world and take action to survive in it. Differentiating what kinds of meat we have collected and from what animal it is from would be a nice addition to those who might be eager to feel immersed in a hunt. Giving us these changes opens up more ways to play the game and gives the player freedom instead of essentially telling us “be careful when you use your sword, it breaks, a lot. Focus on exploring”.
great video! what's the song at the end, sir?
the problem i had with it was that it encouraged me to save my good weapons for hard enemies, but after a certain point there just. arent any hard enemies. i was convinced that the final boss was going to require like most of my weapon stockpile, because the final boss should be the hardest enemy right? the ultimate test? especially with so many incredibly powerful weapons, this seems like a reasonable conclusion. no lol. they half the boss' hp and i only used the master sword. i really hope totk has a better ending.
i just hope there's something besides weapons just breaking, cause nobody wants weapons to break. Maybe the fusing is the answer but we don't know yet.
Also, those other games don't outright destroy your weapons if their durability is used up, you can still fix them and they also usually last a whole lot longer. BotW obliterates them entirely and you have to find a new one after a dozen swings.
Curious to see what the actual stuff they've been working on for the past six years is, these are cool mechanics and all but I'm still not completely sold on it just being the same world with some floating islands added.
It is if the game its implemented in isnt balanced properly. They dont let you check, repair or craft anything useful so durability is a pointless mechanic. New Vegas is an example of durability done right.
It's totally fine imo. Makes combat really dynamic, and no weapon is ever truly useless. Especially when you add the Fuse mechanic, since not only does the weapon get better, it seems like the weapon is atleast partially repaired when the durability gets increased.
So the only way to keep that nice looking sword you found is to duck tape a goofy rock or mushroom to it? That’s sure not going to get old having random shit hanging from all your equipment.
@@thebiggestpanda1 If you're so lost when your nice looking sword breaks, get a life.
Weapon durability never really bothered me much, I think it encourages you to live in the moment combat wise and just chuck everything you have at enemies then regroup later. However I totally agree that it needed some tweaking. It is pretty weird how the super nice weapons seem to be the most fragile. The new fuse mechanic seems like a great middle ground, and I hope TOTK will have a strong Zelda game built on top of those new mechanics. I'm so glad I can finally imagine myself actually playing this game. I'm already coming up with ideas, like using a puffshroom on an arrow to make distance smoke bombs
That was my biggest gripe with weapon durability, since everything had a set number of hits, no matter what you attack, none of the weapons felt significantly better than the others. The fusion mechanic is a welcome addition because ot addresses the durability complaints while giving it an interesting twist.
However, if Ultra Hand and Fusion are what sets this game apart from other Zelda games, then I am a bit underwhelmed.
You get to duck tape a goofy ass mushroom or rock to that cool sword you really like. That’s the only way to hold on to it. What’s that? You just want it to look like a cool sword? Weelll ok, but only if you’re cool with it breaking really fast forcing you to make random duck taped shit instead.
@@thebiggestpanda1 Y'know, if you want to argue something at least try to say something unique each time.
yes
well hopefully i can get the next one then maybe it will be gone
with how expansive they are, the ancient weapons should not break
that’s it that’s all I has to say about it
Yes it is
The master sword shouldn’t break tho… Ms should lose her power and hit for way less while recharging.
It was never fun to break weapons but i got used to it kinda like playing a Halo game an changing weapons constantly.
In my opinion, the MS should be obtainable only at the end and be the only unbreakable weapon. It makes no sense to hold the most powerful of weapons and break it after a few swings.
@@slickdrickits confirmed it’s a she
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Is that Katamari I hear?
What’s the outro music
3:09 Katamari music? Based
I loved it. It took some getting used to but it feels natural to me now. And tears of the kingdom’s fix for it is kinda perfect
It at least gives you a warning when your weapon is about to break. Unlike another game (cough) Animal Crossing New Horizons Tools (cough)
It’s better in my opinion you can fuse stuff together and make the item stronger yeah it will still break but it’s at least better
Nope, now it's too easy and there's no strategy as a result. Why conserve weapons and plan ways to kill enemies while minimising weapon use when you can just glue rocks to basic weapons and plow through 90% of the game? Fucking sucks. I hate people who bitched about breakable weapons even though they make perfect sense within this game's system. People are just shit at the game and are blaming the game for it rather than bothering to learn new strategies.
what are you fusing???
Weapons break again because they know they’re gonna break your wallet with this game
And for a lot of people not only the game... there's the oled and pro controllers too which cost even MORE money 🤭
@@musicaldoodles9615 keeping the weapons breaking will save alot of people money
Its very simple, make the weapons last 5-6x longer so when a weapon is about to break, its a big deal. Then add in a repair system using resources found in the world. I mean damn, the whole game you're exploring and scavenging and obtaining resources, let me put them to good use with reparing weapons.
Also, make the master sword never run out of durability. Its supposed to be the god tier sword of the world, thats its design.
i think the weapons durability adds some kind of tension to the gameplay that we wouldnt have otherwise... when i started playing botw i was pissed that my stuff broke all the time, but now i think it's kinda cool
Yes, weapon durability absolutely sucks, and will be modding it out at the first opportunity so I can enjoy the game.
Weapon durability in video games are dumb as hell
Personally still hope they tweak weapon durability anyway, cause we still don't know if you can like, put a weapon back into your inventory after fusing, or how broad the implications are
Treating weapons like consumables just also came with all the downsides of consumables, it encouraged hoarding. Elden Ring does not turn your weapons into fine powder if you swing them a dozen times and yet I never felt I needed more excuses to go explorin'...
I love the weapon breaking mechanic. They could afford to make them break less often or maybe have a repair area, but i like having to scrap around in the open world and try to survive when all my weapons run out
EDIT: Before anyone says it, yes the fuse system absolutely helps alleviate the horrible durability system. Keyword being alleviates though, not fixes. It's a bandaid solution to something I still very much have a problem with.
I'll flatout say it, weapon durability in BotW and now TotK legitimately harms the experience for me in a very big way. I do not view it as valuable or integral to the game at all, and I would genuinely have a lot more fun with it removed entirely. People can argue counter points all damn day until their blue in the tits, and while I do agree with some points, I just can't agree on the mechanic being here as a whole, at least not in it's current state. Every single enemy encounter I face, I have to weigh if it's even worth engaging considering all the weapons I'm probably about to lose. Sure, you could say that's the point, it's all about strategy, but it ends up pushing me to avoid all unnecessary combat in general. There's no strategy to it, there's no enjoyment. If it isn't required to progress, I'll just avoid combat altogether and continue hoarding all my good weapons, only ever using my shitty weapons when I HAVE to fight.
It does not promote variety, it does not promote strategic planning, it is purely a tedious system for the sake of tedium and just encourages hoarding shit "until I absolutely need it." I would be totally on board if only tree branches, mass produced generic swords and weapons and such broke, hell I'd even be okay with more specialized weapons like the Yiga blades breaking to counteract their projectile ability, but the Royal weapons or the literal MASTER SWORD? It is just asinine. I have less fun because I have to avoid combat and weapons as rewards mean so much less when they'll all just break.
I never had an issue with weapon durability as I never ran out of weapons to the point I would purposefully fight lynels and guardians to break them to make space. My only gripe is how when the champion weapons break, they dont get "repaired" instead you get replicas which is sad. So I never used them and just hung em on the wall. Usually a weapon was scaled strong enough to defeat a few enemies that had weapons you could pick up. I even resorted to using the weaker weapons first in hopes theyd break faster and I could use the other stuff. But nope. So I said whatever and used whatever lol. Though I love some weapon designs more than others, so I wish skins were a thing for them. I didnt mind the Master Sword too much because it would have made everything else irrelevant, hilariously I used it more for chopping trees. It goes up to full durability against Calamity Ganon, so it doesnt break against him ever...unless youre on master mode and you drag the fight out with his health regen.
I don’t get the hate against weapon breaking. If you found the highest damage wepon in the game. All you would use is that one sword. The reason why they have weapon durability is so that you explore more weapons and items. Also half of the chests would be gone, as half of them are weapons. You wouldn’t need them if you just had that one powerful weapon.
It’s called weapon balancing. If there’s one Uber sword that everybody’s using, it’s either because that sword is too strong or the other weapons don’t have enough going for them. Make everything useable and people will just pick what they like and stick with it. So many games get this right.
@@thebiggestpanda1 that’s the thing. You can’t make everything useful all game because this is a different genre of game. This game has enemy scaling, which means that, for the weapons to all be equal power, they would either be way to powerful in the first half of the game, which is boring and in general terrible design, or way to weak in the endgame, which might be worse.
but its not an online multiplayer, so what is the problem people like you have with how other people play the game?
@@padraig-bobotia-maria5176 I don’t. I’m saying if there is an over powered weapon, that’s all that’s ever gonna be used. So what’s the point in making other unique weapons
@@insert_username8717 that's a completely separate issue than weapons breaking or not
It is the second in place reason I wont be buying another zelda game. The first reason is those giggling ninjas in botw that were not a challenge but just seemed to keep spawning in what felt like every five minutes. They lost me as a potential customer. But its not my game as I am not a zelda fan. If the fans like it good for them. I wont be coming back.
Weapon durability is ass and it needs to go.
Weapon durability does not and won't ever fit in Zelda.
It stopped me from buying the game.
I don't even think the weopons break to much, by the end of the game I litererally had entire inventory filled with Royal grade weopons all with some modifiers, and I pretty much never ran out of even good weopons also rare weopons aren't rare you can just go back to where you found them on the next blood moon.
You can get weapons everywhere in botw, if the weapons didn't break you would just use the same ones again and again...
I actually enjoyed it sometimes, when you just had all the weapons in a breaking point and you decide to breack those in the head of a centaleon, is just funny.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with people falling in love with a particular weapon and wanting to use it exclusively. This system instead just forces you to use whatever you have without really caring too much. It hampers gameplay variability too because all the weapons need to be similar enough to each other so that you aren’t faced with a situation in which you can’t win a fight because your weapons that would suit the situation all broke. Every claymore has the same move set. Every sword. Every spear. They’re just reskins with different numbers. The reskinning is kinda pointless though because you’ll never have a piece of equipment long enough to actually grow attached to it.
@@thebiggestpanda1 I understand that some people want to use one weapon exclusively but, that would breack the game in many ways.
They could have added something in where you use materials to repair them and make them more resistant but, in TOTK seems like the zelda team already inplemented it in a funny way, you can apparently just bind the weapon with a determinated item and it will be repaired and will last longer...
That said, there are many ways to get weapons in BOTW and is not that hard to find a specific one so... It's not a problem for me.
@@DMP64 there is no functional difference between using one sword for a fight and 4 swords for a fight beyond menu navigation. The only thing they would need to change by eliminating weapon durability would be to make weapon drops very rare and implement an upgrade system so weapons can scale as the game progresses.
@@thebiggestpanda1 Just like how I'm so mad that there isn't a button that makes all enemies passive. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people wanting to do a pacifist route.
@@DMP64 Lack of durability didn't break any of the other Zelda games. All it would change is that people would prefer the more powerful weapon over the old one, which is a different version of the weapon upgrade system Zelda has employed in almost every previous game.
Yes. Botw. It literally made me quit the game. Tedious, and boring.
Me when the sequel to a game on the same engine on the same console following the story with similar gameplay looks like the first game: 🤯😱😡🤬🤬😡🤬
it looks the same because the console is the same and the graphics were already on the roof on the switch capabilities, just look the graphics in the pokemon games, a framchise that moves more money than zelda
Losing 1 weapon out of 4 we can carry is tense, losing 1 out of 18 its not. People just like to make storms in cups of water.
Isn't that kind of the argument against durability though? It doesn't add anything to the game as it doesn't make the battles more tense, it just makes the battles more tedious.
Taking away weapons breaking would ruin the game. To me combat was at its absolute best when I was constantly improvising. Cycling through weapons, picking them up as enemies drop them, igniting explosives, climbing up high to shoot some arrows, throwing a weapon about to break to do double damage, etc.
Fusion will definitely encourage more of this as well, so I hope the ppl who find it annoying will complain less now since they can effectively just stick a bandage on 😂
I've never been a "graphics matter" kinda guy.... Until lately with Nintendo.
Like have y'all seen what Resident Evil 4 remake looks like? It's fucking gorgeous.
It makes BOTW look like its running on a N64 lol
i mean it may as well be lol. the switch is an oversized android tablet, while the ps5 is fucking massive, and can have hotter temps because you dont have to hold it in ur hand to play it (and it uses liquid metal and MASSIVE fucking fans and heatsinks to cool). it also doesnt have to worry about battery life or power, it just sucks straight from the wall. all that on top of being developed years after the switch, and you get a console leaps and bounds more capable than the switch.
why are you comparing a ps5/pc to a nintendo switch? one you can't play on the go and the other you can.
@@theanimeditor6400 Literally my point. They are un-comparable. I guess if I need to dumb down my point so much you can understand it:
switch bad
Nintendo need make new console
@@attackondak its not that you needed to dumb it down, you worded it poorly. it was easy to interpret your comment as critical of the software developers, instead of frustration at the the hardware. this is likely due to the fact that you didnt actually mention the switch or any other modern consoles by name. hope this helps
Different styles.
I liked the weapons breaking mechanics, since you don't need a weapon to deal damage.
At the end game the weapons break too slow if anything
I'll never understand the complaints against the durability system. These aren't games where you spend hours and hours improving and mastering a single weapon only for it to break. It's clear from the very start that weapons are expendable resources to be managed but ultimately used.
The problem most people have is that it disincentivizes combat. There's no reason to fight that camp of bokoblins if it means I'll blow through all my weapons and be left with clubs instead. It also mucks up inventory management and makes it disappointing to be rewarded with a weapon after a quest or shrine.
Weapon breaking only did good for breath of the wild