Me: Hey Jordan, you wanna order a pizza? Jordan: Well that's a really broad and open ended question that I can't just give a yes or no answer to. You see it really depends on how you're defining "pizza", are you talking exclusively flat bread pizza? Because by such implicit reductionism you're not factoring Chicago style. Furthermore perhaps we should broaden our horizons of what constitutes a "pizza" instead of oversimplifying such a complicated issue. For instance is tomato sauce a necessary component? Otherwise you could extrapolate cheesy bread as being part of the broader pizza meta analysis. Furthermore we should consider the moral ramifications of Meat Lover's pizza and how it contributes to the bourgeoius class's further exploitation of factory farming...
classic Jordan, deliberately obfuscate other people arguments by breaking it down into tiny portions and argues there definitions. but when he makes arguments he thinks he's allowed to take leaps and bounds with his "now lets say" hypotheticals.
I live in a textile town, that has been one since before the 1400s and that industry was the men, women and children all working together. Yet peterson has this bizarre a-historical idea women only entered the workforce very recently, he thinks the nuclear family was something everyone lived in and that existed back to the dawn of man.
A traditional conservative would never have a terrible grasp of history. It's just so out of character for them. Have you considered that Adam and Eve only had two kids? Both boys. Yeah that's right conservatives understand *real* biology.. Now let me talk to you about the importance of -Judeo- Christian values.
I'm from the South Wales Valleys where pit brow girls and chain makers were some of the earliest trade unionists and organisers of labour... but forget that for a minute... what does P Jiddy Beeperson think women were doing in the pre-enclosure early middle ages when serfs lived on subsitance farming and there weren't any household chores because there was barely a house... or clothes... or food...
I’m older then Peterson, my mother worked full from 15 to 30 and then part time on and off after that, my mother in law supported my father in law through university working as a secretary. There are stories in my wife’s family of a female ancestor running a haulage business using ox drawn wagons.
I've known a man who grew up in a polygamous family. He lived in a culture where this was traditional. But for some reason, people don't mean polygamy when they say "traditional family values."
Atheist: "I don't believe in God" Peterson: "Yet I saw you eat a hamburger earlier ... therefore you do believe in God" Atheist: "I'm sorry, what the actual fuck" Peterson: "You see, if I suddenly choose, for no sensible reason whatsoever, to define 'God' as 'eating a hamburger', then, technically, it means that, from my perspective, you do in fact believe in God" atheism DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC once again
I’m glad people are finally seeing Peterson for what he really is - he’s not a misunderstood genius advocate of free speech and Nietszhian a superman… just an intellectually confused narcissist
@@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511 no need to get so offended. You responded to a comment about Peterson being a narcissist by questioning if the person who made the comment was qualified to do so. Since Peterson regularly speaks on subjects he has no expertise in I'm pointing out that you're being inconsistent.
Oh, absolutely. Apart from the hilarious irony that "be concise in your speech" is one of the points in his own self-help book. He is a public speaker. His job is to convey his ideas as accurately as possible to as many people as possible. If he cannot do that, he is either shit as his job or willfully manipulative.
Have you seem that clip where Sam Harris asking him a literal yes or no question (Do you believe Jesus was literally resurrected from death?) and his answer was "It would take me 40 hours to even begin to answer that question." Well, it shouldn't, Jorpy. It's a simple yes or no question about whether you believe a claim or not. 😂
@@Direfloof incorrectly based on what? You head canon ? Or maybe because you heard from your favorite streamer. Tell me how do you make that judgement, I'm not sarcastic
I think the best summary I ever heard of JP came from a former student. It was something like: He speaks authoritatively and with a lot of big indecipherable words that, at first, sounds meaningful. But when you think about what he actually said, it's just a high-falutin gish gallop.
I found him hogwash when he said that us ladies are either all damsels, temptations, or prizes for men to own. And that we have no role models like Rambo or insert superhero here. The horror. Its because our role models are real flesh and blood, Pete. We don't just read fairytales and stay there all our lives. Women have other women to look up to and yes, trans women too.
This reminds me when I went to an art college I was relatively far removed from high school, so I scored low enough on placement I was admitted, but had to take a mandatory "Critical Thinking Class". Within the first few days my instructor was talking about how proper monsters, like werewolves, are ancient symbols that represent real dangers, like strange men, or STIs, informing us with visual stimuli to stay away from dangerous people or situations. So he went onto say that TV shows like True Blood or Being Human are "dangerous" because they lionize the monster. Identifying us with them by putting the audience into their shoes. One of the most insidious examples being a fight against the urge to engage with literal "bloodlust". I asked him if he didn't think making the audience the monster wasn't to acknowledge our human faults and get us to think about our own worst impulses, the dangers of acting on them, and self control. After all there are no real monsters, right, it's just us. At first he didn't say anything, said he hadn't thought about it, and he'd have to think about it more, then handed out the assignment. He was my "critical thinking teacher" and he hadn't thought about it.
He was on the verge of tears when he was asked, puffed up with self-importance, seeing the force of his brilliance finally recognised. If only a bird had shat on him at that moment.
The most impressive thing Peterson has ever done, is the fact that he has to be debunked by so many different disciplines, because he talks about so much stuff he doesn't understand. From Biologist, to the Bar association of Canada, economics, fellow psychologists, philosophers, even supermodels are making fun of him. I'd di e of embrassement if I said even half the amount of things he has that were just so wrong and easily debunkable. Just the line about staying awake for 27 days due to Apple Cider would be too much on it's own. Yet for Peterson he just goes on, it's fascinating how one man can have such an undeserved ego and prefers to be ignorant on every topic he talks about, he is the defintion of Dunning Kruger.
A few weeks after Yumi Nu body slammed Peterson into the core of the earth, he gathered enough Muppet strength to quote tweet a magazine cover that featured a tall white skinny model and alluded that he found her attractive. The model quote tweeted him and said that she's never checking her mentions again.
I think he has to say this stupid shit as he has openly stated somewhere that he is making a shit tonne of money from right ring incels. Although sometimes he'll say something and I'll think, ok, that ones for the basement dwellers but then he'll follow it up with some other inane remark, and so I have to reconsider that he actually believes some of this crap coming out of his mouth.
i think that's the problem, a lot of people, especially those in the anti cancel culture train, have a strong underdog fallacy, where they'll see someone like jordan peterson, whom everyone is against, and they'll assume that because everyone is against him, what he's saying must be true, it's the whole 'they hate him because he tells the truth' kind of thing
Jordan makes me think of a college student who references various concepts he heard of in school into random conversations in order to sound intellectual to young women at a party.
Josten Pueblostone probably did try to get women by saying a dumb thing in a smart way. Classic mistake. You know what _really_ gets the ladies goin? Saying *smart* things in *dumb* ways.
Funnily enough that's the perfect description of a former mate of mine, who just so happened to be into Peterson. Kept saying "I know it sounds dumb when you see a clip of him saying X or Y, but if you see the full context you'll see it actually all makes sense! Just watch his actual videos and you'll get it" Of course it never did. Typical conservative dude who thinks people are intelligent and trustworthy based on their clothing, their confidence, and how needlessly academic their language is. Peterson is charmingly eccentric on top of that, which is a trope associated with intellectual genius, which obviously leads to these idiots taking him even more seriously. The former mate Used to always ramble about his economics classes, constantly using words that he knew I didn't know. I never understood anything and could only ever nod and say "sure, if you say so, I guess it must be true". Guess what? When later in life I got into politics, and encountered a bunch of the terminology he used to throw at me, I quickly found out that a lot of the stuff I remember him saying was flat out wrong or even gibberish. He'd always claimed that he never got his degree becaus the mathematics was too hard for him. Now it's pretty clear that he just didn't really understand much about economics in the first place, despite that being his big passion which he constantly read about even outside of school. (He was also big into day trading and cryptocurrency. Kept lying that he was making a shitton of money. Years later, he's working a 9 to 5 for some company :) Lmfao) That is so supremely sad, I almost feel bad for him, tbh.
As a former therapist- I promise you Peterson is not a good clinical psychologist either. He lacks insight and emotional stability, he eschews evidence based practice, and most significantly he lacks empathy and humility. What he is very good at is cultivating a cult of personality specifically geared toward vulnerable people who feel marginalized.
It was when he went on Joe Rogan as a psychologist and said "I've read ALL the literature on climate change, I understand it better than anyone else" and then proceeded to spend 3 hours saying there's no harm in releasing billions of years of sequestered Carbon into the atmosphere in 2 centuries. Of course not. What could possibly be the issue there? Not like we live in a very finely balanced ecosystem
You forgot the best part; Peterson implying that theories regarding climate change are faulty or unknowable because " climate is *everything* " Very cogent point, doctor, somebody should tell the climate scientists! He's onto something!
Clinical psychologists don’t use advanced statistics. He is unable to understand the statistical methods used in climate models. That’s what I know about statistics. But I know that I don’t know much about the variables in the models and how they behave.
@@jayargee492 Yeah, that was the most ridiculous strawman i've ever heard someone use. I genuinely don't understand how Jordan didn't realize that this was a massive oversimplification of the point. If i remember correctly, even Joe Rogan was like "What about CO2?", although i'm not sure anymore about the rest of the conversation.
The knob-end had already decided what his opinion on the subject was, so he read just enough to convince himself that he was right, not bothering to think about it or discuss it with anyone who might contradict him because he's already convinced that he has a big brain, a better brain than anyone else. Plus he was probably being poisoned by meat and/or speed at the time.
Excellent comment. He seemed to have slid a bit faster and further after his induced coma, Russian addiction 'cure'. For all the misery hes caused I cant say I have sympathy for him.
My father-in-law and I once talked about Peterson. "The man who recites a paragraph when only one word is needed is the man that would kill you in your sleep for taking his parking space once and claim it was your fault for his emotional instability." This was his response when I asked his opinion on the man. His next phrase was, "He sounds like if Kirmit the Frog and Ms. Piggy were into choking and fucked up Kermit's voice."
Ahh, see... You THINK you did but you secretly actually really really believe in god deep down and that's how you quit. Because there's nothing you could say to convince me this isn't the truth I can just asset this confidently and win the argument.
@@pandibbarman You see, if I say that you can't do something difficult without the help of god and you've done that thing, that means you must actually believe in god, because you wouldn't be able to do it without god.
@@LoudMouth_ Well if I say that you can in fact do difficult things without believing God and you do that difficult thing that means you in fact did it without believing in a god and you have no evidence to proof otherwise 🗿
Jordan Peterson's initial gimmick was that he could be a Trojan horse for some pretty far right concepts while maintaining a calm demeanor. As his drug addiction skyrocketed and his emotional and psyhical health collapsed he started leaning into his emotional fits (all the crying) and now he's at the end of his rope and is just a transparent weirdo.
@@jayem8476 Jay, I don't hate anybody. But I do fear that Jordan Peterson's unacknowledged drug addiction has severely compromised his judgement and that he is an actual danger to himself and others.
@@jayem8476 That may be in the past, but someone with an unacknowledged addiction so severe that they would subject themselves to a week long coma is not in a position to give sound or helpful advice.
Police Officer: Do you know how fast you were going? Jungle Tree Bieberson: What do you mean by “do?” What do you mean by “you?” What do you mean by “know?” What do you mean by “fast?” What do you mean- Hard cut to Jolly Bear Peanutson cuffed and in the back of a cop car, possibly pepper sprayed.
I could tell he is an absolute skid mark of a human being when he said the best way to prevent rape is when you classify women as property of men. Because then the man in charge would be furious that his property is damaged. This is a simplification of his argument. Not joking.
And BoJo is a walking dictionary who is able to construct a sentence that nobody can decipher not even the man who owns the oral cavity it came out from.
He is precise in his speech. He is neither clear, nor accurate, but he is very precise. He tiptoes through word salad in a specific and contrived manner, in order to simultaneously say a bunch of right wing dog whistles while being so unparseable as to be able to pretend he was both saying or not saying whatever he or his followers want to claim after the fact.
just watch me woke moralists... I'll record pathetic youtube videos with my right hand, and pen tweets with my left... i take a piece of raw beef... AND EAT IT!
In that interview he also goes on to describe himself as a source for very important collective ideas of humanity that do not originate from him but for which he is one of the wise able to transmit them in this time and place. Which filtered through the weird way he talks around God sure sounds a lot like he's describing a prophet.
Jordan Peterson? Oh you mean the man that decided the best way to quit his debilitating benzo addiction was to go to Russia, put himself into a medically induced coma, and then wake up with pretty serious brain damage? Yeah I'm totally going to take his advice on how to live my life
0:13 Rule 1: valid Rule 2: valid, but he himself doesn't do that Rule 3: valid Rule 4: valid Rule 5: ??? Rule 6: valid, but he himself doesn't do that Rule 7: valid, but he himself doesn't do that Rule 8: valid, but he himself doesn't do that Rule 9: hypocrisy Rule 10: Hilarious hypocrisy Rule 11: Errr, what? Rule 12: ??? Conclusion: Benzos are very bad for you.
His 12 life rules are pretty general for the most part. Nothing revolutionary and that most people seem to figure out for themselves by the time they're 30.
@@debbiegilmour6171 The thing that i have to give to him is that he gives you a story as to why you should follow those rules. People generally understand all of those things pretty much intuitively, but to get them to actually follow through with them is a bit more complicated. By embedding the simple advice in a greater narrative about life and its meaning, you will have far greater success. But a genuine crtitisism that i would bring up is that the book is littered with right-wing politics in a very subtle way. So i guess another goal of his has always been to cater to those people.
I find that when when people hyperfixate on “how do you define X,” it’s usually because they don’t want to engage with the substance of what you’re actually talking about. Defining terms is important, but it should be about clarifying the issue and setting the groundwork for how you proceed. Peterson uses “definitions” as a means to obfuscate the issue and make himself sound smarter.
Not really. As a kid I was raised on the motto: there are no dumb questions, just dumb answers. The more insight I got into the world, the more I realized that this is not true. Some questions cannot be answered in a sensible manner, because all they do is reveal the level of ignorance of the actual problem. Since I see it popping up on the side, one of those questions is, for instance, that about the existence of God. Answering that with a simple yes or no just isn't possible. I learned a lot from the guy, and not in terms of self-help, but in terms of questioning my implicit assumptions about reality.
@@Volkbrecht "one of those questions is, for instance, that about the existence of God. Answering that with a simple yes or no just isn't possible." Given the way you've phrased this it does need some qualification regarding exactly which god and whether you're asking about knowledge or belief, so that it does become something which it might be possible to answer with a simple yes or no. But unless you chose your phrasing to somewhat clumsily illustrate your point, this is trivial and obvious. You could have just cut the entire thing short and said, "There are no dumb questions, just dumb answers. Sometimes you have to ask more questions before being able to provide a non-dumb answer." Of course the other point of view is that if you ask a question which you know will require qualification then it is in fact a dumb question and you may be guilty of trying to elicit a dumb answer, which would be dishonest and manipulative.
@@KaiHenningsen thats why because he IS smart people often thing bigoted and asshole == stupid its not, it just means you are dishonest smart person eventhough i myself wouldnt call him smart, but i cant call him dumb either his tweeter escapades are due to his old age, dude is burned out, which is whole another issue in itself
@@DataLog I do think he's doing it on purpose. I took the bait with his self help guide, but once I saw his inconsistencies (like he was just against mandatory pronouns in general, while he made it sound like he had no problem with specific cases, only to deadname Page), I realized he's just a grifter and a conman.
This is great. Thank you, Geezer. One of the many things that annoy me about Peterson is his hijacking of Orwell. George Orwell would have hated the dude - especially the muddy thinking.
My friend likes Peterson, and while I don't often notice it, he was very confused to hear that I don't have blue layers in my hair to get more attention. Just very wild how these men think that the world is built around trying to get their attention.
It's not the first time a psychologist has garnered a cult of personality and it probably wont be the last. A trained psychologist with a big ego and low awareness or care for their own biases, can do a lot of harm.
Look at when Peterson debates people like Stephen Fry / Zizek, he comes off as ordinary and not the intellectual powerhouse people perceive him as. He can’t condescend to them because they are capable of challenging him, thus his ‘talk-down’ demeanour fails.
@@khomausire8997 I’ve listened to him say ridiculous things many many times. The only excuse you cultists seem to have is whining that we basically have to read all of his work for any of it to make sense. Your emperor has no clothes.
we did, and yet we're still here. Isn't it curious that the ones protecting him with this "understanding" excuse are usually his fanboys? @@khomausire8997
@@khomausire8997 Yeah, we get what he says, but his fanboys try to justify his very clearly stated hate into somehow being something else. That's the whole joke.
It's interesting that the main person who talks about narcissistic people only shows emotions when he ponders his own magnificence. He'll pretend it's the idea of helping the people who need it the most that makes him tear up, but if you look for it it's only when it's about him helping them. He'll mock former patients for laughs, so it's not that he feels sorry for them
His dancing and sleight of hand when asked if he believes in God are hilarious. "I don't need to answer that." "My actions speak for themselves." "What do you mean 'do' and 'believe'?" "The answer to that question has always been the same." "Dostoevsky." "Ask a lobster." etc. All that doesn't actually mean anything, Jor-Pe.
@@antonioscendrategattico2302 some, if not most of the anecdotes he’s mentioned about his patients actually really disturb me, the way he talks about people who need someone to connect with, not a guy who will bring them up to prove his points about poor people and women being stupid
@@aliensoup2420 Not so sure about that. He doesn’t try to blind one with words and, in my view is a clever man with lots to say about language, etc. But hey! Call me old fashioned, we are allowed to disagree.
Fun fact: Speaking of Andrew Tate, Jordy's daughter famously dated Tate for a short period of time a few years ago. These guys all run in the same circles.
I’ve read comments saying things along the lines of “jordan Peterson told me to clean my room, wash the dishes, take a shower and now I feel better and I’m like a better person!” Like ain’t that the stuff you learn as a kid?? Stuff your mom tells you to do???
Well to be fair, a lot of slightly depressed people would probably benefit and feel better after doing those things As someone with depression, I know that if I am clean and my house is clean, I feel wayyyyyy better. And that is not something you learn
@@bascoaful Actually, you do. Physical activity stimulates the release of endorphins, which are natural mood lifters. It also reduces levels of the body's stress hormones, such as adrenaline and cortisol. Regular exercise can help you manage stress and improve your mood, making it easier to tackle daily challenges with a positive attitude. I read that decades ago, while also knowing I felt better after a bike ride, working out or cleaning house even when depressed. Now I can rarely do any of that and have been chronically depressed.
@@anonne-qm7pu You assume only a mother can care about you. Mine cared a lot, taught me to be self reliant & responsible, to care for myself. She was raised the same way. Sorry you lack a good parent, but you can learn things yourself & grow 🤘❤️🤘
Someone: How are you? Jordan Peterson: Well it depends on what you mean by how and are and you and how are and are you and what your definition of a question is
@@tomisaacson2762What do you mean "What?" What do you mean "Do"? What do you mean "You"? What do you mean "Mean"? What do you mean "by"? What do you mean "Shit?"
@@heyitsj420 What do you mean by precision? What do you mean definition? What do you mean by 'When you say, "What do you mean?"' That's like, a huge problem man.
Peterson has mastered the ability to say a lot of words that end up meaning nothing so he doesn't have to actually defend his beliefs, and he somehow does it while always sounding like he is about to burst into tears.
I'm reminded of an anecdote he gave of a patient he had who was suicidal. His answer to the question "why should I carry on living?" was the question "why should you?"
I like his rule about not letting children do anything that makes you dislike them. I’ll go tell my children that they are no longer allowed to do things I don’t want them to do. I wish I had realized earlier that it was so easy to get children to behave exactly the way I want them to.
@@claudiapost-schultzke7216Now that‘s not a sign of narcissism at all, not even close. First of all he doesn‘t hate them. Why would you come to this conclusion? He shows the pros for having a baby and cons for not having them.
in many ways I think his kind would benefit more from subsidies for those put the square block in the square hole kinda toys, might keep him from eating all the crayolas
Well done...Petersons popularity is a complete mystery to me. The man is a master of misunderstanding ideas. His whole schtick is a kind of creepy public self analysis. What an absolute fool he is.
I can solve the mystery: He tells people what they want to hear, and he has a PhD so when he does such, he's giving their preconceived notions a further veneer of legitimacy.
Ah you're a man. Let me explain. It took us only a few decades to outnumber men in university entry upon it really opening up to us. There's a nice thick tail end in that male IQ curve he likes so much that you don't see w/women. Plus they're still told that they're little gods, especially the white ones so when they only partially fall upwards instead of instantly becoming John Hamm they get angry and shooty and they want someone to blame so Peterson comes along and tells them that tradition was right. Giving women zero options other than to be forced into marriage and PoC having zero rights would guarantee their rightful place at the top of the pyramid.
His fanbase tend to be very receptive to emotions and performative deeds. Doesn't really matter what he says, as long as it looks like he's confident saying it and they love somebody who strikes back at whoever they consider as evil and oppressive. So anyone who looks like they are owning the libs, can do nothing wrong in their eyes. They are also are suckers for this guru, great leader, be stronger/better/smarter kind of vibe he has made into his trademark. They did some polling with guys like Shapiro and Peterson and asked people to rate how well they did in a debate, even when they did very poorly the people who tend to be fans of Peterson still thought Shapiro and Peterson dominated the debate. When asked about rating actual points they made, say a very well worded and concise point made by somebody like Hitchens and your usual word salad by Peterson, the fanbase would almost always rate Peterson much higher than others even if he didn't even make a point to begin with. They always said "I feel that Peterson is the better man." Shapiro understands this extremely well, as long as you sound confident and appeal to their emotions, you can sell them the dumbest idea. One step further and we're into cults.
If I listen to Peterson for more than 5 minutes at a time I tend to get headaches. He redefines the meaning of words, getting him to share *his* definition in a precise way without getting tangent about bloody Dostoyevski is like doing dental surgery on a lion without anaesthetics and he inserts his favourite novels into every discussion while at the same time trying to force-feed you Jung's debunked take on psychology. I honestly don't even believe he was a good psychologist. In the debate with Stephen Fry about the cruelty of god and his existence he went like "yeah, you might be right but it makes me uncomfortable so I'm rejecting it". One of the steps in (most forms of) therapy is facing issues that bother you so they can be resolved. You would think that psychologist with so long career would react differently in that situation.
Got the same feeling. His books and some of the lectures I have seen online suggest that he is not that good in that field either. There is a website that cites his sources he is using in some of his articles. He has opinions on some matters that are based on single book or article, not even a study. Like the one with "you cannot stop smoking without shrooms", you can source that to a single book he believes is relevant, disregarding all the other studies. He is a con man basically.
Yeah, Peterson is what we call in the business "domain hoppers", people who think that due to their relative expertize in one field (very specific field) gives them "generalized" knowledge and skills to know how everything else works. Now they do typically know they merely know "the general jist" of things, but it still ends up them just "hopping in", trying to use their domain expertize and mindset in somewhere completely different and then hopping back out when they run out of "similarities" to explore.
the fact that he and his daughter supposedly both suffer from incurable chronic depression and yet constantly give other people advise on how to be happy is kinda sus to me
Like, I wouldn't take any advice from Petersen without a grain of salt. But this isn't unique to him. Nietzsche famously spent a lot of his energy trying to reason his way out of nihilistic despair. The unhappy are the people likeliest to put a lot of conscious energy into figuring out happiness. The already happy don't think about it much.
This man, and a few other people (J.K. Rowling springs to mind) seem to me to be excellent examples of the idea that 'depth of knowledge' is not the same as 'breadth of knowledge'. You can be an intelligent and very capable person with extensive knowledge in one particular discipline but the danger starts when you begin to think that means you are an expert across the board, and that your opinion should carry weight even if it's about something you have no understanding of.
Following your own logic, your lack of expertise in anything at all means that your opinion about these people doesn't carry any weight. So why did you even post it?
I've read 12 rules, Maps of Meaning and 12 more rules more than once, as well as a lot of his lectures and interviews. I truly admire JBP, even though I disagree with some of his recent stuff. As for Tate, I think he's one of the worst things that happened to humanity in a long long time.
I'm glad more people are finally realising what a crank Peterson is. The fact that he has thousands of followers hanging on his every word is a brutal indictment of education systems everywhere.
Forget the education system. It aimed to produce supergeniuses but with no one being able to get fivw degrees in six months you're better off just farming, since the education system forgets what's actually important.
@@czgibson3086 Yeah, and his followers are arrogant and ignorant individuals, if you starting arguing with them and saying if you listening JP and think you smart because of that, then they just starting to insulting you with no arguments
Dude, you've got a new subscriber. Well made video, I enjoy your commentary and this was enlightening. Even to somebody who has campaigned against Feeterson for years. Also your comments gave me a chuckle.
As a foreigner who consumes way too much American media, I was really worried that I somehow lost my English skills when I started watching videos about JP. Turns out nobody understands him lol
@@Rig0r_M0rtis Qualifications do not confer wisdom. I have a degree in Arabic and German but don't ram it down people's throats. It's not a reason to be right about everything. 🤔🤣
At McDonald's Drive-thru: Normal Person 1: Hey you want a burger, right? Normal Person 2: Yeah, but can I get that with no pickles, add ketchup and mayo? NP1: Hey Jordan, you want a Burger too, right? Jordan Peterson: I dont like this ultimatum you're providing me, it really doesn't allow any level of nuance to the question. What if I want chicken nuggets? I am not saying I want chicken nuggets but what if I did? What if I wanted specific toppings? NP1: Dude is that a yes, or no? JP: Once again you are backing me into a corner, trying to put me into an ultimatum. Normal people don't vehemently ask "YES OR NO?!" This is not how normal people speak.
Man I'm scared to think of how many subscribers you will have when people see your content for the first time. I'm impressed and entertained. Glad to have found your channel.
I didn't know very much about this guy except that he was revered by someone I know who has history of mental instability, and told me 'most of my family are on medication' Your video has now made me realise why he chose him as a role model.
that’s so funny because jordan peterson would absolutely LOVE this comment. he would think that your friend and his family are total degenerates. just like you!
I used to like him very much, as the only right-leaning person who seemed to have a reasonable point that could Orient the left into not being too ridiculous. But he has been guided by irrationality and buzzwords of his invention to foster his mystical self-worth and completely stopped trying to update himself
while you are not wrong we should be careful about vilifying mental illness when we talk about him i think. plenty of mentally ill people manage to not be regressive weeping assholes, myself included, i hope
@@Goldenfur12698 I don't vilify mental illness I hope,I have every sympathy for people who suffer, as I have myself, but in the case of the person I knew he was a very malevolent influence who caused anguish to others which may have been due to a sense of entitlement he learned from Mr Peterson.
nailed it with narcissism, which explains why he takes everything (stuff happening independent of his approval) personally, using psycho-babble to tell us not to care, the authoritarian magic sauce
1:36 two things do keep in mind 12 rules for life is a totally bog standard self help book, there is nothing unique about it and unfortunately even in Pyschology is not considered good by fellow Pyschologists, the reviews from academics on Maps Of Meaning show that and the person who gey him the job at Toronto University said he sat in one of his lectures and was horrified as peterson would wildly speculate and did not provide a good coverage of the topic. This was the views of his students before he became a famous professor.
It is also seldom mentioned but should be that his origin story and claim to fame was just a lie. U of T never sent out a memo regarding trans students and pronouns. He was never threatened with termination for refusing to abide by it since it didn't exist. He quit U of T once he was getting obscenely wealthy from his online grift of being the official guru, academic, philosopher and wise man of the right wing movement, or as i call it, the "sh*thead movement." He hinted to his following of chronic masturbators that a right wing gov't would lead to legalized rape and even being assigned a mate by the gov't along with "enforced monogamy." If they were to legalize rape I suppose they'd need to lower the age of consent, since most of these alt. right "alpha males" couldn't overpower an 18-year-old woman--they would come home from their conquest nothing but an incel virgin with a black eye.
Peterson's true talent is being able to speak for 20 minutes whilst saying absolutely nothing.
HAHAHAHA. I was gonna post, but you said it all. I defer.
Wish the geezer would do Gabor Mate next.
Me: Hey Jordan, you wanna order a pizza?
Jordan: Well that's a really broad and open ended question that I can't just give a yes or no answer to. You see it really depends on how you're defining "pizza", are you talking exclusively flat bread pizza? Because by such implicit reductionism you're not factoring Chicago style. Furthermore perhaps we should broaden our horizons of what constitutes a "pizza" instead of oversimplifying such a complicated issue. For instance is tomato sauce a necessary component? Otherwise you could extrapolate cheesy bread as being part of the broader pizza meta analysis. Furthermore we should consider the moral ramifications of Meat Lover's pizza and how it contributes to the bourgeoius class's further exploitation of factory farming...
The word "order" in the question suggest a sophisticated pizza-hierarchy structure, which you forgot to mention.
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Jordy: What do you mean by “you”, “wanna”, “a”?
classic Jordan, deliberately obfuscate other people arguments by breaking it down into tiny portions and argues there definitions. but when he makes arguments he thinks he's allowed to take leaps and bounds with his "now lets say" hypotheticals.
Meanwhile, most people started ignoring him after the first sentence and ordered a personal pizza for themselves.
I live in a textile town, that has been one since before the 1400s and that industry was the men, women and children all working together. Yet peterson has this bizarre a-historical idea women only entered the workforce very recently, he thinks the nuclear family was something everyone lived in and that existed back to the dawn of man.
History started in 1950 and from then on everything went downhill.
A traditional conservative would never have a terrible grasp of history. It's just so out of character for them. Have you considered that Adam and Eve only had two kids? Both boys. Yeah that's right conservatives understand *real* biology.. Now let me talk to you about the importance of -Judeo- Christian values.
I'm from the South Wales Valleys where pit brow girls and chain makers were some of the earliest trade unionists and organisers of labour... but forget that for a minute... what does P Jiddy Beeperson think women were doing in the pre-enclosure early middle ages when serfs lived on subsitance farming and there weren't any household chores because there was barely a house... or clothes... or food...
I’m older then Peterson, my mother worked full from 15 to 30 and then part time on and off after that, my mother in law supported my father in law through university working as a secretary. There are stories in my wife’s family of a female ancestor running a haulage business using ox drawn wagons.
I've known a man who grew up in a polygamous family. He lived in a culture where this was traditional. But for some reason, people don't mean polygamy when they say "traditional family values."
Atheist: "I don't believe in God"
Peterson: "Yet I saw you eat a hamburger earlier ... therefore you do believe in God"
Atheist: "I'm sorry, what the actual fuck"
Peterson: "You see, if I suddenly choose, for no sensible reason whatsoever, to define 'God' as 'eating a hamburger', then, technically, it means that, from my perspective, you do in fact believe in God"
atheism DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC once again
pretty much
"What do you mean 'do'? What do you mean 'you'?"
😂
Atheism makes more sense than believing in an unproven bloke in the f?!×ing SKY!
I’m glad people are finally seeing Peterson for what he really is - he’s not a misunderstood genius advocate of free speech and Nietszhian a superman… just an intellectually confused narcissist
i'm sure you're right. you sound like you are in a position to diagnose such things
It's mostly lefties that never liked him, just like always.
@@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511 Jordan Peterson constantly speaks on subjects he's unqualified to speak on
@@dadbodenvy4247 i didn't know a person had to be qualified to speak.
in that case i can never open my mouth about anything again
@@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511 no need to get so offended. You responded to a comment about Peterson being a narcissist by questioning if the person who made the comment was qualified to do so.
Since Peterson regularly speaks on subjects he has no expertise in I'm pointing out that you're being inconsistent.
Never trust a person who says 20 words when 1 wouldve sufficed.
Oh, absolutely. Apart from the hilarious irony that "be concise in your speech" is one of the points in his own self-help book.
He is a public speaker. His job is to convey his ideas as accurately as possible to as many people as possible. If he cannot do that, he is either shit as his job or willfully manipulative.
Have you seem that clip where Sam Harris asking him a literal yes or no question (Do you believe Jesus was literally resurrected from death?) and his answer was "It would take me 40 hours to even begin to answer that question."
Well, it shouldn't, Jorpy. It's a simple yes or no question about whether you believe a claim or not. 😂
What's wrong with trying to express as close as intended man. I was going to insult you, but fuck it.
Especially when half those words were used incorrectly
@@Direfloof incorrectly based on what? You head canon ? Or maybe because you heard from your favorite streamer. Tell me how do you make that judgement, I'm not sarcastic
I think the best summary I ever heard of JP came from a former student.
It was something like:
He speaks authoritatively and with a lot of big indecipherable words that, at first, sounds meaningful. But when you think about what he actually said, it's just a high-falutin gish gallop.
I found him hogwash when he said that us ladies are either all damsels, temptations, or prizes for men to own. And that we have no role models like Rambo or insert superhero here. The horror.
Its because our role models are real flesh and blood, Pete. We don't just read fairytales and stay there all our lives. Women have other women to look up to and yes, trans women too.
He's the opposite of the rapper aesop rock
This reminds me when I went to an art college I was relatively far removed from high school, so I scored low enough on placement I was admitted, but had to take a mandatory "Critical Thinking Class". Within the first few days my instructor was talking about how proper monsters, like werewolves, are ancient symbols that represent real dangers, like strange men, or STIs, informing us with visual stimuli to stay away from dangerous people or situations. So he went onto say that TV shows like True Blood or Being Human are "dangerous" because they lionize the monster. Identifying us with them by putting the audience into their shoes. One of the most insidious examples being a fight against the urge to engage with literal "bloodlust".
I asked him if he didn't think making the audience the monster wasn't to acknowledge our human faults and get us to think about our own worst impulses, the dangers of acting on them, and self control. After all there are no real monsters, right, it's just us.
At first he didn't say anything, said he hadn't thought about it, and he'd have to think about it more, then handed out the assignment.
He was my "critical thinking teacher" and he hadn't thought about it.
He's the king of word salad.
He’s deeply hypocritical as he’s lying through his teeth to keep his patreon cash coming through.
For reference; the correct answer when someone asks you whether you think you're a prophet is categorically "no"
Unless you're speaking to Gozer
He was on the verge of tears when he was asked, puffed up with self-importance, seeing the force of his brilliance finally recognised. If only a bird had shat on him at that moment.
But what is a prophet? 😮
@@FadingVitals in his case, it's what a grifter makes.
Because of course the prophet is too humble to say he is such a
Jordy: "Be Precise!"
Also Jordy: *incomprehensible ramblings*
Internet commentators: Take everything out of context, and try to use that as an incoherent critique
@@spick1923 Jordy fan sighted, absolute clown.
@@swissarmyknight4306 I'm not a fan, I'm unbiased. But it's certainly fun to watch both sides feed of thier emotions.
Top entertainment!
@Knight Industry1 lol my guy you ain't unbiased. Fancy yourself as centrist big brain all you like, but you can't fool anyone here.
@@spick1923 🤓🤓🤓
Ever time I see the Hitler clip that iconic dril tweet comes to mind. you do not, under any circumstances, 'gotta hand it to him'
Fucking love dril
The most impressive thing Peterson has ever done, is the fact that he has to be debunked by so many different disciplines, because he talks about so much stuff he doesn't understand. From Biologist, to the Bar association of Canada, economics, fellow psychologists, philosophers, even supermodels are making fun of him. I'd di e of embrassement if I said even half the amount of things he has that were just so wrong and easily debunkable. Just the line about staying awake for 27 days due to Apple Cider would be too much on it's own. Yet for Peterson he just goes on, it's fascinating how one man can have such an undeserved ego and prefers to be ignorant on every topic he talks about, he is the defintion of Dunning Kruger.
A few weeks after Yumi Nu body slammed Peterson into the core of the earth, he gathered enough Muppet strength to quote tweet a magazine cover that featured a tall white skinny model and alluded that he found her attractive. The model quote tweeted him and said that she's never checking her mentions again.
I think he has to say this stupid shit as he has openly stated somewhere that he is making a shit tonne of money from right ring incels. Although sometimes he'll say something and I'll think, ok, that ones for the basement dwellers but then he'll follow it up with some other inane remark, and so I have to reconsider that he actually believes some of this crap coming out of his mouth.
@@GhostInTheMachine165 funny how u say body slammed him-
@@GhostInTheMachine165MUPPET STRENGTH
i think that's the problem, a lot of people, especially those in the anti cancel culture train, have a strong underdog fallacy, where they'll see someone like jordan peterson, whom everyone is against, and they'll assume that because everyone is against him, what he's saying must be true, it's the whole 'they hate him because he tells the truth' kind of thing
Jordan makes me think of a college student who references various concepts he heard of in school into random conversations in order to sound intellectual to young women at a party.
My favourite dude at the party 🙄
except he's more interested in the young men who don't have a father figure than the young women at the party.
Josten Pueblostone probably did try to get women by saying a dumb thing in a smart way. Classic mistake.
You know what _really_ gets the ladies goin? Saying *smart* things in *dumb* ways.
Funnily enough that's the perfect description of a former mate of mine, who just so happened to be into Peterson.
Kept saying "I know it sounds dumb when you see a clip of him saying X or Y, but if you see the full context you'll see it actually all makes sense! Just watch his actual videos and you'll get it"
Of course it never did. Typical conservative dude who thinks people are intelligent and trustworthy based on their clothing, their confidence, and how needlessly academic their language is.
Peterson is charmingly eccentric on top of that, which is a trope associated with intellectual genius, which obviously leads to these idiots taking him even more seriously.
The former mate Used to always ramble about his economics classes, constantly using words that he knew I didn't know. I never understood anything and could only ever nod and say "sure, if you say so, I guess it must be true".
Guess what? When later in life I got into politics, and encountered a bunch of the terminology he used to throw at me, I quickly found out that a lot of the stuff I remember him saying was flat out wrong or even gibberish.
He'd always claimed that he never got his degree becaus the mathematics was too hard for him. Now it's pretty clear that he just didn't really understand much about economics in the first place, despite that being his big passion which he constantly read about even outside of school. (He was also big into day trading and cryptocurrency. Kept lying that he was making a shitton of money. Years later, he's working a 9 to 5 for some company :) Lmfao)
That is so supremely sad, I almost feel bad for him, tbh.
"to sound intellectual to young women at a party"
You mean Pordan Jeterson hasn't had sex for years either?
As a former therapist- I promise you Peterson is not a good clinical psychologist either. He lacks insight and emotional stability, he eschews evidence based practice, and most significantly he lacks empathy and humility. What he is very good at is cultivating a cult of personality specifically geared toward vulnerable people who feel marginalized.
Exactly! That is why he has gone full pundit.
Lack of Stability yes but not in empathy
@@TheMorous He has very little empathy for the actual suffering of people.
Exactly! Here's a video by Caelan Conrad about how horrible he was to his clients: ua-cam.com/video/Wjik57hTfTQ/v-deo.html
As a former client of Jordan Peterson. I disagree with this assertion. He was actually quite empathetic during my sessions with him.
It was when he went on Joe Rogan as a psychologist and said "I've read ALL the literature on climate change, I understand it better than anyone else" and then proceeded to spend 3 hours saying there's no harm in releasing billions of years of sequestered Carbon into the atmosphere in 2 centuries. Of course not. What could possibly be the issue there? Not like we live in a very finely balanced ecosystem
You forgot the best part; Peterson implying that theories regarding climate change are faulty or unknowable because " climate is *everything* "
Very cogent point, doctor, somebody should tell the climate scientists! He's onto something!
Clinical psychologists don’t use advanced statistics. He is unable to understand the statistical methods used in climate models. That’s what I know about statistics. But I know that I don’t know much about the variables in the models and how they behave.
@@jayargee492 Yeah, that was the most ridiculous strawman i've ever heard someone use. I genuinely don't understand how Jordan didn't realize that this was a massive oversimplification of the point. If i remember correctly, even Joe Rogan was like "What about CO2?", although i'm not sure anymore about the rest of the conversation.
Rogan is a meathead.
Why is he wearing a tux on that Joe shmoe show?
The knob-end had already decided what his opinion on the subject was, so he read just enough to convince himself that he was right, not bothering to think about it or discuss it with anyone who might contradict him because he's already convinced that he has a big brain, a better brain than anyone else. Plus he was probably being poisoned by meat and/or speed at the time.
Maybe he's born with it.
Maybe its Benzodiazepine™
😂😂😂😂
Excellent comment.
He seemed to have slid a bit faster and further after his induced coma, Russian addiction 'cure'.
For all the misery hes caused I cant say I have sympathy for him.
Omg 🤣
🤣
@@GETMEASTRAITJACKETCmon, we all know he's on that Krokodil now.
Given that he once said that humans are the only animal that kills for fun, not just for food, I'm surprised that he knows cats exist
My cat is laughing all the time when he is killing another mouse
do NOT tell hum about dolphins, their depravity would be too much for him
@@groundbird7477chimps as well
@@groundbird7477don’t tell him about chimps too
@@cecejones2883hell, don't even tell him about ants having race wars
My father-in-law and I once talked about Peterson. "The man who recites a paragraph when only one word is needed is the man that would kill you in your sleep for taking his parking space once and claim it was your fault for his emotional instability." This was his response when I asked his opinion on the man. His next phrase was, "He sounds like if Kirmit the Frog and Ms. Piggy were into choking and fucked up Kermit's voice."
Damn, but it sounds like you have one cool father-in-law.
@michaelhall2709 the man is wonderful and has dealt with more BS than I can imagine
Peterson or no, your father in law sounds like a psycho.
🤣🤣🤣
Your FIL needs to create a channel!! I’d be interested in hearing his take on modern ‘intellectuals’ :)
This guy’s voice is literally 1/3 Canadian, 1/3 Jacksepticeye and 1/3 Kermit the Frog.
I keep thinking about Saul Goodmen
I always hear Ray Romano, but that's basically just Kermit already
Which one of those is the on-the-verge-of-tears whiney one?
There's another comment on this video saying "He sounds like if Kermit the Frog and Ms. Piggy were into choking and fcked up Kermit's voice." LOLLL
He trashed his voice by becoming a drug addict.
It is universally agreed that Canadians are nice and polite people... to compensate for having brought to the world this creature.
At least the Canadians gave us Rush
Well, it's good to know Jordan Peterson hasn't committed war crimes. If he's the opposite of most Canadians ;)
Canadians are only so kind and gentle because Jordy Petey absorbs and redirects the rage of the entire population himself.
Alberta exports chaos
That’s only on surface level. In actuality a lot of Canadians have his kind of mindset especially out west
I was an atheist and a two pack a day smoker. I quit cold turkey without "god" at age 42. At 65 I am still an atheist and a non smoker.
Ahh, see... You THINK you did but you secretly actually really really believe in god deep down and that's how you quit.
Because there's nothing you could say to convince me this isn't the truth I can just asset this confidently and win the argument.
@@LoudMouth_But you also have no evidence that he believes in God deep down is whatever
@@pandibbarman You see, if I say that you can't do something difficult without the help of god and you've done that thing, that means you must actually believe in god, because you wouldn't be able to do it without god.
@@LoudMouth_ Well if I say that you can in fact do difficult things without believing God and you do that difficult thing that means you in fact did it without believing in a god and you have no evidence to proof otherwise 🗿
What do you mean by "SMOKER" 🤣
Jordan Peterson's initial gimmick was that he could be a Trojan horse for some pretty far right concepts while maintaining a calm demeanor.
As his drug addiction skyrocketed and his emotional and psyhical health collapsed he started leaning into his emotional fits (all the crying) and now he's at the end of his rope and is just a transparent weirdo.
yeah, spot on pal.
Dam thats spot on.
He's also the king of incels
Yeah you can keep them
@@jayem8476 Jay, I don't hate anybody. But I do fear that Jordan Peterson's unacknowledged drug addiction has severely compromised his judgement and that he is an actual danger to himself and others.
@@jayem8476 That may be in the past, but someone with an unacknowledged addiction so severe that they would subject themselves to a week long coma is not in a position to give sound or helpful advice.
The fact that JP doesn’t even recognise his own Jungian archetype is the crowning cherry of his buffoonery.
What's his type?
The jester cosplaying as the sage/hero 😂
I've never understood why JP is considered an intellectual.
In the kingdom of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
Look at those who consider him an..."intellectual."
He has a Dr in front of his name, that's it
@@Andy1805-y8w Sadly the Dr does fool some normies
Prime example of why academics and intellectuals are different
Police Officer: Do you know how fast you were going?
Jungle Tree Bieberson: What do you mean by “do?” What do you mean by “you?” What do you mean by “know?” What do you mean by “fast?” What do you mean-
Hard cut to Jolly Bear Peanutson cuffed and in the back of a cop car, possibly pepper sprayed.
GD hysterical!!!
Lmao. Reminds me of when walter white gets arrested😂
What do you mean cuffed? What do you mean “pepper sprayed?”
Peterson is a hero who has helped millions.
try actually watching his content.
The right way to take down Peterson is to not take him seriously, because he is ultimately an intellectual grifter. Thank you for this video
you mean peterson? how did he scam people?@@Pull54545454
grifter ?
Exactly, Harvard professors are all grifters when I disagree with their politics
hes mad he is not a gen z and cant use words like lol or lolz because it will make him look less creditable
@@khomausire8997 - Hang on. Didn't Peterson get fired for molesting a student?
I could tell he is an absolute skid mark of a human being when he said the best way to prevent rape is when you classify women as property of men. Because then the man in charge would be furious that his property is damaged. This is a simplification of his argument. Not joking.
please show me where he said that
@@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511 just Google it, links get deleted
@@luna-p or he never said it.
@@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511 He 100% did. You don't want to find it.
@@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511 Typical sycophantic Peterson cult member.
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
Jordan: "Um ackshually..." *proceeds to do phrenology*
Standard right-wing Incel ideology that beauty is not subjective but objective.
Somebody should have proven the model's face was symmetrical enough to be considered "scientifically beautiful"
Eugenics crap
Actually beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
@@Chip_Doubledip Or in Peterson's case, the Benzo holder.
JP is a master of the word salad.
And BoJo is a walking dictionary who is able to construct a sentence that nobody can decipher not even the man who owns the oral cavity it came out from.
Much ado about nothing...............with a condescending whiny self pitying rasp in his intonation.
He is precise in his speech. He is neither clear, nor accurate, but he is very precise.
He tiptoes through word salad in a specific and contrived manner, in order to simultaneously say a bunch of right wing dog whistles while being so unparseable as to be able to pretend he was both saying or not saying whatever he or his followers want to claim after the fact.
Aye
Well spoken
He's not that smart. He is good with words in the same way someone who is going through a manic episode is.
Exactly.
He ain't an intellectual he's a talking fax machine.
Damn that was good
"UP YOURS WOKE MORALISTS!" That one makes me chuckle every time. Great video.
WHAT RULES, YOU SONS OF BIT*HES?
Peak Peterson, honestly. The memes were amazing, especially the Skeletor one.
ua-cam.com/video/hSNWkRw53Jo/v-deo.html
just watch me woke moralists... I'll record pathetic youtube videos with my right hand, and pen tweets with my left... i take a piece of raw beef... AND EAT IT!
Interviewer: do you see yourself as a prophet?
Jordan after attempting to find ways to rationalize that and failing miserably: actually no...
He was just trying to decide how far down the Jim Jones rabbit hole he wanted to go.
It was just such an attractive proposition; almost like being offered Xanax.
In that interview he also goes on to describe himself as a source for very important collective ideas of humanity that do not originate from him but for which he is one of the wise able to transmit them in this time and place. Which filtered through the weird way he talks around God sure sounds a lot like he's describing a prophet.
Then cries
@@nickh4270that's exactly a prophet 😂
Jordan Peterson? Oh you mean the man that decided the best way to quit his debilitating benzo addiction was to go to Russia, put himself into a medically induced coma, and then wake up with pretty serious brain damage? Yeah I'm totally going to take his advice on how to live my life
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Rule 1: valid
Rule 2: valid, but he himself doesn't do that
Rule 3: valid
Rule 4: valid
Rule 5: ???
Rule 6: valid, but he himself doesn't do that
Rule 7: valid, but he himself doesn't do that
Rule 8: valid, but he himself doesn't do that
Rule 9: hypocrisy
Rule 10: Hilarious hypocrisy
Rule 11: Errr, what?
Rule 12: ???
Conclusion: Benzos are very bad for you.
I mean to me petting a cat is a valid piece of advice but I might be biased on that front.
@@carolinemcgovern4488 I didn't say it wasn't though.
His 12 life rules are pretty general for the most part. Nothing revolutionary and that most people seem to figure out for themselves by the time they're 30.
🤣
@@debbiegilmour6171 The thing that i have to give to him is that he gives you a story as to why you should follow those rules. People generally understand all of those things pretty much intuitively, but to get them to actually follow through with them is a bit more complicated. By embedding the simple advice in a greater narrative about life and its meaning, you will have far greater success. But a genuine crtitisism that i would bring up is that the book is littered with right-wing politics in a very subtle way. So i guess another goal of his has always been to cater to those people.
I find that when when people hyperfixate on “how do you define X,” it’s usually because they don’t want to engage with the substance of what you’re actually talking about. Defining terms is important, but it should be about clarifying the issue and setting the groundwork for how you proceed. Peterson uses “definitions” as a means to obfuscate the issue and make himself sound smarter.
Not really. As a kid I was raised on the motto: there are no dumb questions, just dumb answers. The more insight I got into the world, the more I realized that this is not true. Some questions cannot be answered in a sensible manner, because all they do is reveal the level of ignorance of the actual problem. Since I see it popping up on the side, one of those questions is, for instance, that about the existence of God. Answering that with a simple yes or no just isn't possible. I learned a lot from the guy, and not in terms of self-help, but in terms of questioning my implicit assumptions about reality.
@@Volkbrecht "one of those questions is, for instance, that about the existence of God. Answering that with a simple yes or no just isn't possible."
Given the way you've phrased this it does need some qualification regarding exactly which god and whether you're asking about knowledge or belief, so that it does become something which it might be possible to answer with a simple yes or no. But unless you chose your phrasing to somewhat clumsily illustrate your point, this is trivial and obvious. You could have just cut the entire thing short and said, "There are no dumb questions, just dumb answers. Sometimes you have to ask more questions before being able to provide a non-dumb answer." Of course the other point of view is that if you ask a question which you know will require qualification then it is in fact a dumb question and you may be guilty of trying to elicit a dumb answer, which would be dishonest and manipulative.
"usually". Try actualy watching and understanding his videos. Peterson is a hero.
@@VolkbrechtTriomni God is logically inconsistent so that earns a no
If he finds it so hard to call people by whatever name they want to go by, can we just start calling him Jasper Shitecunterson?
ha funny ...
I've written that one down, that's a good one!
@@justsomegeezer69 You're welcome, it's more than this Gordon Pederaston degenerate deserves, frankly.
😂 I wish I had thought of that one.
You better not ever go to Canada. You might get arrested. Jasper said so!
Once you notice that he sounds like Kermit the frog, everything he says takes on an entertainment quality. No offence to Kermit.
He's about 2% as smart as both he and his followers think he is. And he's legit gone full theocratic fascist recruiter.
You would be astounded by how many people cover their bigotries with pseudo intellect
It turns out that it's easy to bamboozle idiots with intellectual-sounding gibberish.
@@avacadomangobanana2588 No, what's astonishing is how someone can make a career out of this - and make a ridiculous amount of money doing it.
@@KaiHenningsen thats why because he IS smart
people often thing bigoted and asshole == stupid
its not, it just means you are dishonest smart person
eventhough i myself wouldnt call him smart, but i cant call him dumb either
his tweeter escapades are due to his old age, dude is burned out, which is whole another issue in itself
Maybe 2% of the people that use the word 'fascist' even know what it means.
He lures you in with self help and then kicks you down a nonsensical political rabbit hole.
I don't think he is doing it on purpose.
He just got stuck in something that doesn't need to be as deep as he think it needs...
@@DataLog I do think he's doing it on purpose. I took the bait with his self help guide, but once I saw his inconsistencies (like he was just against mandatory pronouns in general, while he made it sound like he had no problem with specific cases, only to deadname Page), I realized he's just a grifter and a conman.
@@DataLog he's literally paid by the Daily Wire. Literally right-wing political mouth piece of an org
He believes his own BS, so it’s as much on purpose as he believes he’s actually doing a good thing.
correct
Jorman Beef Eaterson makes a good point sometimes but then I wonder what I mean when I say “makes” or “a” or “point”
The fact that I was more surprised at "pet a cat" than at "You gotta admire Hitler!" speaks volumes about this ethical giant.
This is great. Thank you, Geezer. One of the many things that annoy me about Peterson is his hijacking of Orwell. George Orwell would have hated the dude - especially the muddy thinking.
Conservatives love quoting things they have never read or understood
I used to love George Orwell, but as a leftist I recommend Huxley, he was and still is based. Orwell...is muddy himself.
@@zljmbo came here to say this. Orwell doesn't exactly warrant defending
Especially since George Orwell literally wrote that everything he ever wrote was in the service of socialism as he understood it.
you haven't read enough Orwell if you think this. there is hardly a clearer writer in the 20th century.
If a woman wears black lipstick does that mean she’s trying to attract necrofiles 😂😂😂
I don't know about other women but for me absolutely 😂
Lol I used to wear bright neon purple lipstick and black lipstick for fun - trust me it didn’t make me attractive at all.
My friend likes Peterson, and while I don't often notice it, he was very confused to hear that I don't have blue layers in my hair to get more attention.
Just very wild how these men think that the world is built around trying to get their attention.
No, it means she links sexuality and death. Which is literally the entire point of 'sexy goth' looks.
Who would have thought that a professor of psychology would know how to convince people that he's got all the answers they need.
It's not the first time a psychologist has garnered a cult of personality and it probably wont be the last. A trained psychologist with a big ego and low awareness or care for their own biases, can do a lot of harm.
@@esbenm6544 Especially one that has studied the tactics of the greatest mass manipulators of the 20th Century and rose to fame on his own 'big lie'.
Never follow people who claim to have all the answers.
@@esbenm6544psychology is op huh😅
He's a Musk fan enough said
He's addicted to Twitter, that says everything.
Let's be honest. He spends his time talking about self confidence and self reliance all the while looking like a deeply unhappy man.
Yes and he makes his fame by making people look like stupid by rambling words and manipulating them just like andrew tate
@@Atomic-toons00you can get rich with hard work and a little bit of human trafficking too
@@Atomic-toons00He is an arse but he is not Andrew Tate.
Look at when Peterson debates people like Stephen Fry / Zizek, he comes off as ordinary and not the intellectual powerhouse people perceive him as. He can’t condescend to them because they are capable of challenging him, thus his ‘talk-down’ demeanour fails.
@@CT99234although his daughter was looking to do buissiness with Tate.
He still isn't as pathetic a specimens Tate.
He is so precise in what he says that he needs a cadre of fanboys to explain what he really meant.
He doesn't need them, no. If you actually read what he has said, you'd get it too.
@@khomausire8997 I’ve listened to him say ridiculous things many many times. The only excuse you cultists seem to have is whining that we basically have to read all of his work for any of it to make sense. Your emperor has no clothes.
we did, and yet we're still here. Isn't it curious that the ones protecting him with this "understanding" excuse are usually his fanboys? @@khomausire8997
@@khomausire8997 Yeah, we get what he says, but his fanboys try to justify his very clearly stated hate into somehow being something else. That's the whole joke.
@@Noname-hw9bx "clearly stated hate" :D
It's interesting that the main person who talks about narcissistic people only shows emotions when he ponders his own magnificence. He'll pretend it's the idea of helping the people who need it the most that makes him tear up, but if you look for it it's only when it's about him helping them. He'll mock former patients for laughs, so it's not that he feels sorry for them
He is a covert narc, maybe even socio*ath, and people don't realize how dangerous his victim mentality as well as grandiosity are.
His dancing and sleight of hand when asked if he believes in God are hilarious. "I don't need to answer that." "My actions speak for themselves." "What do you mean 'do' and 'believe'?" "The answer to that question has always been the same." "Dostoevsky." "Ask a lobster." etc. All that doesn't actually mean anything, Jor-Pe.
Peterson! A classic example of somebody who is an expert at one thing, thinking they are an expert on everything.
Thanks for this Geezer. Good work.
And I'd dispute even his expertise at the one thing he was qualified in. He's clearly sticking to some old theories and refusing to stay up to date.
@@antonioscendrategattico2302 some, if not most of the anecdotes he’s mentioned about his patients actually really disturb me, the way he talks about people who need someone to connect with, not a guy who will bring them up to prove his points about poor people and women being stupid
@@josephmother2659 Oh, the way he uses his past clinical experience to prop up his political grift is bordering on malpractice.
Noam Chomsky being another example.
@@aliensoup2420
Not so sure about that.
He doesn’t try to blind one with words and, in my view is a clever man with lots to say about language, etc.
But hey! Call me old fashioned, we are allowed to disagree.
Fun fact: Speaking of Andrew Tate, Jordy's daughter famously dated Tate for a short period of time a few years ago. These guys all run in the same circles.
No!!! You're kidding me
@@colinthorn She came to his house in Romania for an "interview" for a few days
She was lucky she wasn't sex trafficked by him.@@excalibro8365
@@excalibro8365 Did she get the b-job?
Dayum! Is that true!??
As a Canadian it’s spooked me with how accurately you mimicked Joe-sumo Skeeterbun’s accent.
I’ve read comments saying things along the lines of “jordan Peterson told me to clean my room, wash the dishes, take a shower and now I feel better and I’m like a better person!” Like ain’t that the stuff you learn as a kid?? Stuff your mom tells you to do???
Well to be fair, a lot of slightly depressed people would probably benefit and feel better after doing those things
As someone with depression, I know that if I am clean and my house is clean, I feel wayyyyyy better. And that is not something you learn
No, not all people are the same as you
You're assuming everyone has a mother that cares about them
@@bascoaful
Actually, you do. Physical activity stimulates the release of endorphins, which are natural mood lifters. It also reduces levels of the body's stress hormones, such as adrenaline and cortisol. Regular exercise can help you manage stress and improve your mood, making it easier to tackle daily challenges with a positive attitude.
I read that decades ago, while also knowing I felt better after a bike ride, working out or cleaning house even when depressed. Now I can rarely do any of that and have been chronically depressed.
@@anonne-qm7pu
You assume only a mother can care about you. Mine cared a lot, taught me to be self reliant & responsible, to care for myself. She was raised the same way. Sorry you lack a good parent, but you can learn things yourself & grow 🤘❤️🤘
Outstanding! He's the Nigel Farage of psychology. Top work Geezer!
😂😂😂😂
Great comment.... apart from you making me expereince a nauseating wave of repulsion at the thought of the oily racist oaf Farage.
I never even thought of the comparison and now I have, it's probably the most accurate one I could imagine. Terrifying!
@@sloeginandsleep1170 🤣🤣
Best comment.
For someone on the benzos, beef and salt diet, he sure does love word salad.
Nice one! Have an extra 👍
Call me weird, but I don't take lessons on personal growth from someone unable to maintain a 60 minutes conversation without breaking into tears.
Someone: How are you?
Jordan Peterson: Well it depends on what you mean by how and are and you and how are and are you and what your definition of a question is
A centrist guy did this so much to me and I lost my shit.
@@Steve-yn3cs what do you mean by shit
@@tomisaacson2762What do you mean "What?" What do you mean "Do"? What do you mean "You"? What do you mean "Mean"?
What do you mean "by"?
What do you mean "Shit?"
@@Steve-yn3cs when you say "what do you mean by ____" what *precisely* definition are you using?
@@heyitsj420 What do you mean by precision? What do you mean definition? What do you mean by 'When you say, "What do you mean?"' That's like, a huge problem man.
Peterson has mastered the ability to say a lot of words that end up meaning nothing so he doesn't have to actually defend his beliefs, and he somehow does it while always sounding like he is about to burst into tears.
I disagree
He is purposely vague and verbose so he can say he’s being misquoted or taken out of context
@@bjones8470if you “imply” you want to exterminate an entire group of people you can claim you never expressly stated it
@@theveganduolingobird7349 Lmaooo you are so delusional about what Peterson is implying
Maybe you don't possess the mental capabilities to comprehend him.
Good god imagine this man as your therapist
I'm reminded of an anecdote he gave of a patient he had who was suicidal. His answer to the question "why should I carry on living?" was the question "why should you?"
@@debbiegilmour6171What the actual fuck…
I had a few psychiatrists like that. They're surprisingly common.
Jordan Peterson is dishonest. No one should see a dishonest therapist.
What do you mean “I’m”? What do you mean “feeling”? What do you mean “depressed”?
"It's IMPOSSIBLE to get it right!" He says, as he quite obviously puts in considerable effort to get it wrong.
I like his rule about not letting children do anything that makes you dislike them. I’ll go tell my children that they are no longer allowed to do things I don’t want them to do. I wish I had realized earlier that it was so easy to get children to behave exactly the way I want them to.
Read the book
"It depends what you mean by" is a rehash of the 4 your old in the playground saying "But I am right, because Thursday is opposite day".
I quit smoking decades ago. I’m an atheist, and I didn’t need an imaginary God to do it.
I don’t care about the context in which Jordan Peterson was talking, there is no way that we need to respect Hitler in any way whatsoever.
JP looks like the kind of person who practises his expressions in the mirror before leaving home.
Jordan Peterson, the hoarder that wants to teach you how to clean your room.
Bingo
but have you?
@@asdasd-di4zjLiterally who cares
@@falconeshield you see... Theres the issue
@@asdasd-di4zj the issue is you believing anyone should care
JP seems to genuinely hate childless adults. That is disturbing.
sign of narc
@@claudiapost-schultzke7216Now that‘s not a sign of narcissism at all, not even close.
First of all he doesn‘t hate them. Why would you come to this conclusion? He shows the pros for having a baby and cons for not having them.
That's because he's emotionally one himself. He sees that as competition for his speaking tours.
So embarrassed that he's Canadian. Though, he's a fantastic example to point to when arguing for more funding for schools.
in many ways I think his kind would benefit more from subsidies for those put the square block in the square hole kinda toys, might keep him from eating all the crayolas
he might be canadian, but it’s SUPER telling that he’s from alberta, though
The effort that went into misnaming him is applaudable
Well done...Petersons popularity is a complete mystery to me. The man is a master of misunderstanding ideas. His whole schtick is a kind of creepy public self analysis. What an absolute fool he is.
I can solve the mystery: He tells people what they want to hear, and he has a PhD so when he does such, he's giving their preconceived notions a further veneer of legitimacy.
Joe Rogan has a lot to answer for.
Ah you're a man. Let me explain. It took us only a few decades to outnumber men in university entry upon it really opening up to us. There's a nice thick tail end in that male IQ curve he likes so much that you don't see w/women. Plus they're still told that they're little gods, especially the white ones so when they only partially fall upwards instead of instantly becoming John Hamm they get angry and shooty and they want someone to blame so Peterson comes along and tells them that tradition was right. Giving women zero options other than to be forced into marriage and PoC having zero rights would guarantee their rightful place at the top of the pyramid.
*the not at all completely social Darwinism pyramid.
His fanbase tend to be very receptive to emotions and performative deeds. Doesn't really matter what he says, as long as it looks like he's confident saying it and they love somebody who strikes back at whoever they consider as evil and oppressive. So anyone who looks like they are owning the libs, can do nothing wrong in their eyes.
They are also are suckers for this guru, great leader, be stronger/better/smarter kind of vibe he has made into his trademark.
They did some polling with guys like Shapiro and Peterson and asked people to rate how well they did in a debate, even when they did very poorly the people who tend to be fans of Peterson still thought Shapiro and Peterson dominated the debate. When asked about rating actual points they made, say a very well worded and concise point made by somebody like Hitchens and your usual word salad by Peterson, the fanbase would almost always rate Peterson much higher than others even if he didn't even make a point to begin with. They always said "I feel that Peterson is the better man."
Shapiro understands this extremely well, as long as you sound confident and appeal to their emotions, you can sell them the dumbest idea.
One step further and we're into cults.
5:40 "yeah, but are you a prophet though?"🤣i fell from my chair laughing. i genuinely thought the guy was trolling lol
If I listen to Peterson for more than 5 minutes at a time I tend to get headaches. He redefines the meaning of words, getting him to share *his* definition in a precise way without getting tangent about bloody Dostoyevski is like doing dental surgery on a lion without anaesthetics and he inserts his favourite novels into every discussion while at the same time trying to force-feed you Jung's debunked take on psychology.
I honestly don't even believe he was a good psychologist. In the debate with Stephen Fry about the cruelty of god and his existence he went like "yeah, you might be right but it makes me uncomfortable so I'm rejecting it". One of the steps in (most forms of) therapy is facing issues that bother you so they can be resolved. You would think that psychologist with so long career would react differently in that situation.
Got the same feeling. His books and some of the lectures I have seen online suggest that he is not that good in that field either. There is a website that cites his sources he is using in some of his articles. He has opinions on some matters that are based on single book or article, not even a study. Like the one with "you cannot stop smoking without shrooms", you can source that to a single book he believes is relevant, disregarding all the other studies. He is a con man basically.
in this regards he reminds me a lot of William Laine Craig......speaking a lot without actually saying anything.
Yeah, Peterson is what we call in the business "domain hoppers", people who think that due to their relative expertize in one field (very specific field) gives them "generalized" knowledge and skills to know how everything else works. Now they do typically know they merely know "the general jist" of things, but it still ends up them just "hopping in", trying to use their domain expertize and mindset in somewhere completely different and then hopping back out when they run out of "similarities" to explore.
the fact that he and his daughter supposedly both suffer from incurable chronic depression and yet constantly give other people advise on how to be happy is kinda sus to me
Like, I wouldn't take any advice from Petersen without a grain of salt. But this isn't unique to him. Nietzsche famously spent a lot of his energy trying to reason his way out of nihilistic despair. The unhappy are the people likeliest to put a lot of conscious energy into figuring out happiness. The already happy don't think about it much.
@@Bustermachine that’s fine. Nietzsche didn’t tell others how to be happy.
You think people with inheritable mental conditions can't give advice...?
@@SuperStella1111he did tho
he talks about woman when he is a man I wouldnt take advice or praise him at all whatsoever
"Morgan Queeferson"
"Brevity is the soul of wit." Peterson must have spiked class that day.
In other words, don’t waste my fucking time!
This man, and a few other people (J.K. Rowling springs to mind) seem to me to be excellent examples of the idea that 'depth of knowledge' is not the same as 'breadth of knowledge'.
You can be an intelligent and very capable person with extensive knowledge in one particular discipline but the danger starts when you begin to think that means you are an expert across the board, and that your opinion should carry weight even if it's about something you have no understanding of.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease
@@spitfire184 very curious
Following your own logic, your lack of expertise in anything at all means that your opinion about these people doesn't carry any weight. So why did you even post it?
Knowledge is the acquisition of data. Wisdom is the application of knowledge. Take your pick on which he lacks.
@@spitfire184 damn that's funny as fuck
I think there is a lot of overlap between readers of 12 rules and Andrew tate - Peterson seems to be a gateway into that world.
Ben Shapiro is in the same stable of grifters.
I've read 12 rules, Maps of Meaning and 12 more rules more than once, as well as a lot of his lectures and interviews. I truly admire JBP, even though I disagree with some of his recent stuff.
As for Tate, I think he's one of the worst things that happened to humanity in a long long time.
9:51
As a boyfriend of a smoker I can confirm, you're unable to quit smoking without actual divine intervention.
Become God and make an intervention
Just tell your partner to be a dragon or some shit idk
(11:12) "Nietzsche's big, juicy willy"-I literally laughed out loud.
I'm glad more people are finally realising what a crank Peterson is. The fact that he has thousands of followers hanging on his every word is a brutal indictment of education systems everywhere.
Forget the education system. It aimed to produce supergeniuses but with no one being able to get fivw degrees in six months you're better off just farming, since the education system forgets what's actually important.
hes still smart overall
@@marvin2678 He's not entirely stupid by any means but he's certainly not the profound genius many of his admirers seem to think he is.
@@marvin2678if he was that smart this video wouldnt be made. he wouldnt be making the insanely pathetic slip ups we see here
@@czgibson3086 Yeah, and his followers are arrogant and ignorant individuals, if you starting arguing with them and saying if you listening JP and think you smart because of that, then they just starting to insulting you with no arguments
"Ham Brained Bollocks": Is exactly the descriptor for Peterson that I've been searching for! Thanks!
The fact that he wears a literal Two Face suit is hilariously appropriate.
Uh oh the Jordan Peterson fans are angy
Isn’t that what they enjoy? 😱🤡😂😂😂
Dude, you've got a new subscriber. Well made video, I enjoy your commentary and this was enlightening. Even to somebody who has campaigned against Feeterson for years. Also your comments gave me a chuckle.
Thanks mate, it's appreciated!
As a foreigner who consumes way too much American media, I was really worried that I somehow lost my English skills when I started watching videos about JP. Turns out nobody understands him lol
24:34 - 25:11
You delivered the lines so beautifully awkward, it was hilarious.
Great timing, consistent pacing, hats off to you.
Calling himself doctor is like my 6-year-old daughter calling herself a scientist. You'd hate to hurt their little feelings by telling them their not.
"Their" what (not)?
💀bro thinks he has the authority to determine who qualifies as a doctor - ur 6 yo daughter is probs closer to being a doctor than youll ever be
I don’t know… I wouldn’t mind hurting Vanity-Doctor Peterson’s feelings 😂
Well he does have a PhD...It's the only thing genuine about him.
@@Rig0r_M0rtis Qualifications do not confer wisdom. I have a degree in Arabic and German but don't ram it down people's throats. It's not a reason to be right about everything. 🤔🤣
At McDonald's Drive-thru:
Normal Person 1: Hey you want a burger, right?
Normal Person 2: Yeah, but can I get that with no pickles, add ketchup and mayo?
NP1: Hey Jordan, you want a Burger too, right?
Jordan Peterson: I dont like this ultimatum you're providing me, it really doesn't allow any level of nuance to the question. What if I want chicken nuggets? I am not saying I want chicken nuggets but what if I did? What if I wanted specific toppings?
NP1: Dude is that a yes, or no?
JP: Once again you are backing me into a corner, trying to put me into an ultimatum. Normal people don't vehemently ask "YES OR NO?!" This is not how normal people speak.
This is exactly how i imagine Ben Shapiro in his daily life
he called that woman ugly when his daughter went on a diet to cut out certain food because it was making her look chubby
I'm glad you pointed out that he is a narcissist. I believe he may be. Which is adorable because he goes on and on about it lol
JP is such an easy target to ridicule that the bar tends to be pretty high, at least for me, on critical reviews. This is one of the best.
I quit smoking because the taste of cigarettes became repugnant to me. No gods required.
I'm not scared of mythical "DRAGONS" you're the gift that keeps on giving
Man I'm scared to think of how many subscribers you will have when people see your content for the first time. I'm impressed and entertained. Glad to have found your channel.
17:01 He's throwing a fit about a sign that says "don't waste stuff". Incredible
He's like a very strange mid 60s Batman villain with his stick being that he wants to get rid of methodological naturalism.
You mean the og riddler? As I don't know what methodological naturalism
"What do you mean, DO?"
Good lord.
I didn't know very much about this guy except that he was revered by someone I know who has history of mental instability, and told me 'most of my family are on medication' Your video has now made me realise why he chose him as a role model.
that’s so funny because jordan peterson would absolutely LOVE this comment. he would think that your friend and his family are total degenerates.
just like you!
He's insane like him!
I used to like him very much, as the only right-leaning person who seemed to have a reasonable point that could Orient the left into not being too ridiculous. But he has been guided by irrationality and buzzwords of his invention to foster his mystical self-worth and completely stopped trying to update himself
while you are not wrong we should be careful about vilifying mental illness when we talk about him i think. plenty of mentally ill people manage to not be regressive weeping assholes, myself included, i hope
@@Goldenfur12698 I don't vilify mental illness I hope,I have every sympathy for people who suffer, as I have myself, but in the case of the person I knew he was a very malevolent influence who caused anguish to others which may have been due to a sense of entitlement he learned from Mr Peterson.
nailed it with narcissism, which explains why he takes everything (stuff happening independent of his approval) personally, using psycho-babble to tell us not to care, the authoritarian magic sauce
1:36 two things do keep in mind 12 rules for life is a totally bog standard self help book, there is nothing unique about it and unfortunately even in Pyschology is not considered good by fellow Pyschologists, the reviews from academics on Maps Of Meaning show that and the person who gey him the job at Toronto University said he sat in one of his lectures and was horrified as peterson would wildly speculate and did not provide a good coverage of the topic. This was the views of his students before he became a famous professor.
It is also seldom mentioned but should be that his origin story and claim to fame was just a lie. U of T never sent out a memo regarding trans students and pronouns. He was never threatened with termination for refusing to abide by it since it didn't exist. He quit U of T once he was getting obscenely wealthy from his online grift of being the official guru, academic, philosopher and wise man of the right wing movement, or as i call it, the "sh*thead movement." He hinted to his following of chronic masturbators that a right wing gov't would lead to legalized rape and even being assigned a mate by the gov't along with "enforced monogamy." If they were to legalize rape I suppose they'd need to lower the age of consent, since most of these alt. right "alpha males" couldn't overpower an 18-year-old woman--they would come home from their conquest nothing but an incel virgin with a black eye.