Building a Commander Cube I The Command Zone 298 I Magic: the Gathering EDH
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Show Notes:
After the most recent episode of Game Knights with Brandon Sanderson, we’ve heard from a lot of people who are interested in building and playing their own Commander Cube. On this episode, we bring our local cube expert DJ (from Jumbo Commander on UA-cam) to discuss the best practices for designing your own cube and how to overcome the inherent design difficulties with Commander Cube specifically.
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I love how right out of the box, this incredibly special product.... is already warped and curling lol...
It’s absolutely horrible
I believe that specialty products like this one are printed on rented machines at another printing company. If they were printed at Cartamundi in Belgium or printed on the Japanese machines they probably would come out better.
@@Pandahboymtg i mean, normal foils are also normally curled like this
I was going to comment the same....and what if the HUGE box for 3 cards!
To be fair, I’ve had nonfoil standard cards curl within days.. But I wish these werent foil.
Hey about that game knights episode, you should have filmed the draft part.. that is THE most fun aspect of cube, the decisions, the social aspect.. don’t be afraid to experiment!
Maybe even make a separate video for that portion if you don’t want to mess with the GK format
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did film it. The video was already pretty long though. Which is probably why it wasn’t included. An extended version with the drafting would be cool.
13:46 "The goal of Cube is to create an environment that's fun."
*has Saheeli and Felidar on screen*
You would hate my commander decks then lmao
Those are fun cards tho 😅
Imagine playing interaction
I built a commander cube a few months ago and it’s pretty weird. Each player gets two commanders but one of them has to be a planswalker and one has to be a creature. This allows you to add to your color identity and build around multiple strategies. It’s about 750 cards and uses some cool unset cards like Urza, Headmaster. After playing a few times though, I learned is that I’m pretty bad at building cubes so I’m really glad you made this episode. Thanks Game Knights!
Urza, Headmaster is such a fun card! :D My playgroup allowed me to play him as my Commander so we all had a ton of fun with all the randomness xD
Lina Al-Jarallah yeah he’s great. I have him as the mascot to the cube. I even have his art on all the sleeves.
Noah Finney Nice! :D
I'm surprise no one mentioned Cube Tutor. It's so useful to see your curve, color and supertype distribution. You can even simulate drafts and sealed with bots ! It helped me a lot to design both of my cubes (a Classic Cube and a Graveyard Cube).
Yo sweet, I'll check it out. I kind of want to make a pauper/pauper-ish cube. 1 - I love the pauper format 2 - price is an issue
I think Cube Tutor is gone now. It's a real shame.
Your name is an expression of your genius man
@@lauravturner yeah sad
@@lauravturner Yeah. Luckily we have CubeCobra now, which is easily now the best successor we have to it.
20:31 I played a cube with only bulk rares once with my friends and it was honestly quite a lot of fun and made us all appreciate some of the "bulk" cards more. I even added a few of those to my decks afterwards because I ended up enjoying playing with them.
We also made a rule that we could use up to one playset of terramorphic expanse to allow for more possible color combinations without having any untapped fixing lands that would incentivise people to build good stuff decks too much.
Also I kinda want to build a small cube now lol
@Adam Miller eh, you have to pay one mana to activate those which makes them a bad play T1, they are better later in the game tho because you probably don't need to sac them.
The thing is tho, terramorphic expanse can grab any land so you are not restricted to specific shards and the mana fixing doesn't need to be perfect, running more colors should be a downside in regards to consistency.
Also I have like 40 terramorphic expanses laying around so I just grabbed a couple of those because they get the job done.
Nothing like opening a new product and the cards are clearly curled like pringles
I feel like they have probably opened it before either in other takes or Josh and Jimmy were impatient.
@@Louiscypher93 still not very old product
Yeah this is definitely why I avoid getting foils
That just means they're still fresh.
Nothing like eating Pringles, oh wait, these are magic cards
For those interested in Card Kingdom Starter Cube, Loading Ready Run did a friday night game where they drafted it. Pretty fun.
Gotta love how commander brings people together. So many good guest on the show lately, it's been an incredible streak of episode. Thanks a bunch for the content guys (and for inviting DJ !)
Solely singleton is a fantastic cube podcast that I really recommend for anyone that wants to get into the format
I normally consume this podcast exclusively through audio, but I came here to make this exact point. SS is a really great podcast for anyone interested in cube.
Where can I find them, they aren't on youtube?
@@michaelogara9056 They're on iTunes and most other podcast platforms. You can check their website, solelysingleton.com
@@michaelogara9056 I usually listen to them on a website called libsyn. Its the first thing to come up when you google Solely Singleton
Commander Cube sounds like a fun, but daunting, beast of a set to build
Yes and no. Once you've been playing a while you should have enough stuff sitting around to start. But, only by playing can you really figure out what works and what doesn't. I built mine 7 years ago, play it regularly, and it felt "complete" after about 3 years... a daunting amount of time beforehand, but now it seems pretty fast. The nice thing now is that I typically buy $15-$20 worth of stuff for each new set and can do most needed updates.
Secret Lair: 3:30
Main Topic
Cube Construction: 9:08
Power Level: 17:17
Archetypes and Themes: 21:20
Color Balance: 26:15
Commander Cube: 28:12
Custom Solutions: 38:19
You're the best.
21:20 archetypes and themes
@@suschilegge1683 thanks :)
Thank you!!! You just helped a random dude years later lol
And they come warped hooray
One of the "rules" I have in my commander cube is that "all commander creatures automatically have Partner". So you're able to have up to 2 commanders without being forced to use 2 (of the too few) that actually have 'partner' written on the cards. It makes it more versatile and interesting, from my experience. I do like the idea of the conspiracy-esque cards that let you make your deck more unique because of the added effects/abilities too.
Love the command zone but...... damn that secret lair feels like daylight robbery.
Idk haven't seen the price points for all of them but you'd pretty much break event with the one they previewed in non foils so it wouldn't hurt to grab those unless you like the originals and can get them in good condition
Most are rip offs, this one i honestly think is worth it
i mean so far the bitterblossom one and this one have at least 1.5x the worth, looking at cardkingdom prices (each drop is 30$), the lands one is a ripoff, and goblins and restless in peace seem a little bit iffy (but still cool)
@@chaos72635 i just wish the bitterblossom was foil really they should all be foil
well in around like ten years they'll be worth ~$1000
I'd like to see more Commander Cube Content in the future. i think with the growth of the EDH Community and Magic in general and the upcoming products, especially Legends this might become a very popular format. Also I really need more help building one ^^
This is the most command zone episode ever, all three hosts at the same time! Good to See you again DJ, you're always Welcome! 😊👍
Dj's voice is so relaxing. Loved the episode =D
I alaways wanted to do a commander cube. Guess I am going to do it now.
The most un-fun thing in a game of Commander is when one player is screwed on colors and can't really play. My group's Commander Cube solved this by giving everyone 7 cards to start their deck before drafting. Everyone gets a Command Tower, a Commander's Sphere, a City of Brass, a Mana Confluence, a Coalition Relic, a Darksteel Ingot, and a Prophetic Prism. After the draft, you're free to drop any/all of these 7, but each player has them if they need them. None of these are super impactful in terms of ramping, so green's ramp doesn't get nerfed too badly, but it seems to provide just enough fixing that it's rare to get shafted on colors.
Obviously, DJ is busy with Jumbo Commander, but he has so much great chemistry with Josh and Jimmy that it’d be sweet if he was an official fixture of the show. 💖
Unless it could actually bring in alot more revenue they would just be splitting their money up for nothing
I got some Cubamajigs for my cube and they're really neat!
They're like reusable booster packs that make dealing out the packs much easier
People don't seem to be realizing that some of the secret lairs cards are literally worth more than the MSRP even without the weird art. These cards look like solid investments if you can keep them from bending in too much and the art is super sweet.
I need to see the decklist for that Khans Cube DJ mentionned.
That's not his cube but he mentionned wizard's one (which his cube seems related to) : magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-online/khans-expanded-cube-2019-07-23
I love this idea to try and get some of my friends into Commander, also another great episode of the command zone. Always so impressed by how good the production values of every episode are
Just made a cube with what I had lying in my collection from drafts, prerealeases, precons and randoms rares. I upgrade it from times to times when I open or trade for sweet cards, and it's so much fun to be playing with these cards that I can't play anywhere else together.
For the past 4 years I've been building my 1400 cards commander cube and it's far from finished. Me and my friends regulary play 3,4 and 5-color commanders and 6 booster draft. It's ton of fun and our record game took over 3.5 hours and over 15 board wipes.
1400?! Mine runs 600+52 generals and it's more than enough. If anything I want to cut more because it takes more time than it needs to to draft even 600 with 8 people.
🙌👍Josh’s point at 22mins bout how hard it is once you start and how much appreciation you gain for game building ... multi layered deck building... love building all types of decks and now challenging myself with a cube, thanks for the help guys! You rock!
Seems like a waste of cardboard, for how big the box is
Sand Fire- At first i read this comment not thinking much, but when i realised it is only 3 cards in the box i now couldn’t agree more.
One of the selling points is that's the box will serve as a storage box for cards afterwards. It will apparently be able to contain 2 sleeved commander decks
I cant agree because i have nö storage for All my cards and thats good to store them.
I mean all the cards are cardboard .-. so the whole game is a "waste" of card board
Seriously, just add DJ as the third Command Zone host.
They all work really well together
Also the synergy with singing and there sit´s a man called DJ.
Instant Combo
I feel like we missed a great opportunity to have "Cube April" on the show. Maybe invite her in for Game Knights: Commander Legends??
Yessssss
Hawk Cube size was excellent pun!
I agree, after last episode I found that the regalia added a whole ton of creativity for the draft. Perhaps after Commander Legends comes out next year I'll try and fiddle around with it myself.
3:30 Secret Lair Kaleidoscope Killers
Here's an interesting idea for drafting your commander. Let the first and last packs you draft be for commanders only. That way if you decide to switch your strategy or add/remove another color while your in mid-draft you can do that now that you know you have another chance to draft that kind of commander.
Plus all the partner commanders would be amazing in a commander cube.
I like it!!!!!
I've been wanting to do this for a long time! Thanks for this :)
Josh: I should’ve gotten Reaper king for Commander Cube
Jimmy: OH YEAH, IT’S ALL COMING TOGETHER
I am going to get the secret lair thing because:
1. I am planning to build all three decks
2. They are going to cost crazy high in a few years
I don't know for the futur prices because they are printed to demand, they might drop in few months in the secondary market
@@jessicalepins1433 fair, we haven't seen a print to demand thing so we will have to see how the market will absorb it, but I feel like if you get them, they will still be worth a pretty penny, especially after revealing a plains Walker is in each box
That may have been the best opening song of all time on this show
I literally had started building a commander cube the other day, and this is great.
Dj and Prof are by far the best guests 🙌 prof is good for opinionated discussions since he isn't afraid to get into it while at the same time forming a well strutted argument. DJ has an energetic vibe that could cheer me up just by listening for a few mins and at the same time has a valid opinion on certain things unlike other happy-go-lucky people but with nothing real to say lol
Wow we get the trifecta, the holy Trinity of commander content creators!! Love it!
Liked just because DJ is in. Will watch it later!
Same here
Great episode guys! I built a Golgari Cube which contains in it EVERY (B/G) card in Magic. Very fun and can always be played as a Commander cube.
Thanks for this topic! I came across a couple people who wanted to make a commander cube, but they hadn’t even made a normal cube before.
I’ve got a cube I enjoy based on the starter cube from Card Kingdom and then I’d added stuff I’ve pulled from WAR, M20, and ELD. I also have all the uncommon WAR walkers in the cube.
I've been considering putting together a commander cube for a while now. This just sealed the deal
I really appreciate this video. I've been considering building a cube for almost a year and I've finally started. To begin, it's going to be an all foil cube and I'm basing everything on the shiny commons and uncommons I have in a box. I intend on including conspiracies and contraptions, but I may cut one of them. Really just building the archetypes for each 2-color pair right now.
I made a budget commander cube right after your episode came out and I drafted it the next Friday with my friends, it was I blast I got to play the big idea as my commander and won, pretty weird feeling. Probably was the most fun i've ever had playing commander.
Are they charging $40 for a box with 3 cards in it?
Yes. Yes they are.
$40 for a $20 card, a $10 card, and a $6 card, all with new alternate art seems like a fair deal.
@@KC_Enthusiast it is but i would have like most of them to be about 5 to 10 dollars cheaper a piece
I've had a Commander Cube for a couple years that's gone through different iterations, and I've recently been reworking it. Definitely going to add some of Brandon's mechanics to mine now!
I have bought a card kingdom starter cube. Sadly I only played it once but it was a blast.
Cube is great for drafting for two or 4 especially if you use some alternate draft method like the pancake draft.
I would love to build a commander cube and I really hope this commander draft set will be a good base for that.
So I hear nobody talk about color identity. It's probably one of the best parts of normal Commander, but also a big restriction when drafting: you could see how everyone had 4/5 color decks on Game Knights. Foregoing the color identity rules entirely, mono and dual-colored commanders become viable, and drafters have an opportunity to change their color mid-draft without repercussions. Josh even mentioned some disadvantages of the color identity without addressing the rule itself
I have a commander cube that ignores it and honestly think makes the experience better for it. I would agree that it makes the cube more like a generic draft, but that's not necessarily a disadvantage IMO.
We did the same, and it's helped out our commander cube experience by so much, it's insane. It's often we draft an archetype and/or colours without worrying too much about a commander, cause you're not restricted to its colours.
the illusion birds in the background, are the coolest background you guys have chosen!
Fastforward to see the Secret Lair spoilers. Rewind to watch full episode. Profit.
time ?
@@lordofdeath1876 Around the 5:03 mark
@@lordofdeath1876 Oh it's at Watch minutes and The Video seconds.
(Fairly early in)
Yay DJ IS BACK!
Secret Lair: "Meh". If I'm spending 40 bucks on an independent product, I want to be able to PLAY that goddamn product.
The 30 bucks for the Bitterblossom is a very good price (seeing as CK sells them at 40 sans tokens) but otherwise i agree
@@AspiringDryad it is 40 for the blossom one
@@dk55717 oof then that's about the same price as a normal copy then
@@dk55717 Nope, only kitties and this 5-colored ones are 40. All other ones are 30.
@@raelysk nope. Go to wizards website, they mispoke its 40
I'm building a cube (not commander) and this episode was great help. Thank you so much. I am a big fan of this channel and when I saw the cube episode I had to build one. If any of you have tips for me I would love it.
One thing I've been working on is 5 decks (one of each color) to bring to my playgroup so new players could get a good first experience with Commander. Over time I want the decks to be at almost the same powerlevel so they can all play together in a nice and casual way. My biggest issue has been making the White deck do anything at all, but they're far from done so I'll take my time and make them awesome :D
Always looking forward to new videos. Thank you. Love your channel
This is my favorite format. I have a Commander Cube. My playgroup has played it consistently every weekend for 2 years. It has been tuned and retuned. But even with that it is always in construction.
Please feel free to go to CubeTutor and check out Stonewaul's CMDR Cube.
Sence the game kight episode came out I've tried to make a guild theme commander cube. And I'll be ready to play test next week but I'm super glad you guys made this episode. Thank you guys
Hey guys, I noticed on one of your shows that you were talking about picking the music for the show. So yesterday I heard some music at the end of a song that could work for the lead in. Starset - Telescope, time index 4:15-5:34. Hope you like it. Keep up the great work.
Time to build a sultai commander cube.
EDIT: apparently there's only 10 legendaries in sultai and one of them is pretty bad, maybe Ill have two color bois too
Actually, the ability to draft mono colored is a good idea.
Literally just started building an edh cube a week ago and this video is so great!
I tried to throw a cube together recently and honestly it was really fun, I accidentally made red too powerful so we had 2 izzet decks and a rakdos. So I took some of the problem cards out and put some answers into the other colors.
Can't wait to take it for another spin.
Nice! Ever since seeing that commander cube video I've been dying to make one! Thanks for making this!
Wotc: let's sell 5 premium foil kitties and 2 non-foil tokens for $30.
Wotc also: Let's sell just these 3 premium foil cards with the same printing process for $40. Because math. And also because they do, but don't, acknowledge the secondary market.
While not changing the foil process so they come curled
I finished my commander cube a few months ago, but I haven’t finished buying the sleeves, and I’m sad. I can’t play it yet. Thanks for the ideas tho
I currently have three cubes - Peasant (my main cube), Silver Border (super wacky), and a 2HG micro-cube (built around Battlebond partners). I'm currently considering a Tiny Leaders cube, and I think I will incorporate the Crowns from Brandon's Commander cube; they seem to resolve some pretty big issues. It's still the hardest cube I've ever worked on, as I don't want it to devolve into just good stuff decks.
Ahh a cube with no board wipes. Sounds like fun
I currently have 13 cubes. Very interested in building a commander cube. Great video. Thanks!
I am building my first cube atm but I had one ideo that I really want to share
Only use massremoval that costs 6 or more. It affects your cube in a way that everyone knows they can go all in at turn 4 to have a strong attack at turn 5, without being worried about wrath of god.
I like how some of the Regalia Brandon has supports 1 and 2 color commanders. The game you guys played looked super fun, but if it’s always 5 color good stuff I think it could get boring. Extra support for less colors seems like a good feature to consider in a cube like this
I built a commandercube like a week or two before the GameKnights episode came out. Drafted it 8 times now. And the last four was with Regalia. I just added some crowns and septers. I run the pre-cube commander draft. I did five cards, but added a sixth after adding some regalia(crowns and the partner tatto).
Then I added some septers in the main cube.
I've seen the mono green Ezuri add blue. Naya Kalemne Giants, Chulane with added red(twice). I've seen Volrath and Scorpion god be -1/-1 partners as well as Ghired and Kess as partners.
Commander pool is 72 cards(59 commanders and 13 regalia). So 1/3 rd is used. If your booster of six has 3+ regalia you swap them out for commanders so u only have two left.
I have not yet built a commander cube. I have drafted them! What I am doing right now is building an Oathbreaker cube! So, thank you for some additional elements.
Was totally looking up some of this earlier. How timely of a video!
I enjoy my kaladesh common and uncommon cube and tryed the commander pack idea with it was so fun
I'm actually mad one of the Kaleidoscope Killers cards wasn't Progenitus. He's my fave and the only WWUUBBRRGG creature in existence... and he killed it in that last Game Knights... Proggy needs some more love!
I'm looking to build an Unstable cube with contraptions and everything, and was thinking about making it Commander friendly. One problem I was anticipating was a lack of viable legendaries for the generals.
The idea Josh brought up with the generic commanders on the side might help this
MrVotiga I bought one from someone on eBay and it’s actually really fun to draft.
@@chrisgallo2236 That's excellent! I never got a chance to draft Unstable normally, so I'm excited to try it
If only it was Scion instead, but still, I NEED this. 😱🤯
You can make it an actual cube on TappedOut
There are websites dedicated to building cubes. The current one I am using is Cube Cobra. They also have a discord for discussing cube. When I created my cube I copied someone else's and then replaced the cards I did not have with cards I do of same colour and CMC. It worked out well.
Here's my multi-colored EDH/Commander Cube. tappedout.net/mtg-cube-drafts/multicolored-commanderedh-cube/ I went a very different way. I choose to stick as close as possible to Commander. So I don't ignore color identity or the singleton rule or make custom cards, but instead ignore the only 3 packs for the cube rule and don't allow for any mono colored legendaries as your Commander. 1st round of the draft, you draft your potential commanders and then the next 10 rounds you draft your pool. The cards for the most part are all EDH staples and the power level is very high. It does take a long time to draft, however over the years this has become the favorite format of my playgroup. We only play it every couple of months for 2 reasons. 1. We have a remote player in our playgroup so he needs to be in town. 2. It takes a good amount of time to draft and setup time ahead of time as I'm constantly updating it when new sets come out.
Magic Game Night has come out for this year and despite it being a bad product it inspired me to make a sort of 5-deck cycle of commander decks for new players to grab and play
Oh! Talk about King Cube next! Love the show!
Someone made a gif of the clay pidgeon throw.
You guys should make a podcast about adding a sixth color to magic.😺
Not sure if it's still around, but Cubism podcast is a cube dedicated podcast
Commander cube looks like a tons of fun I wish I could play Commander cube Jimmy and Josh, but I am just wondering are you guys going to be safe from COOPA?
There's nothing in the FTC rulings that should affect them, whether they'll get hit by UA-cam's shitty automatic system is a different story.
@@TotalElipse Thanks Jack. I love Game Knights! i just been a little down since COOPA was coming just scared about it i do let's plays and do MHA Chapter reactions and i am not sure i'm safe.
@@TotalElipse hmm I still see color that could be deemed colorful
it may be not mtg related but it's cube related.
i kind of like to play many different card games, cause i also kind of travel a bit in my country and sometimes there is no comunity of a certain game or i arrive at a day that they don't play that game and there is nobody to play the day that i can go to play, a few years ago i found this game named Force of Will, its kind of like magic but you can't brick with your lands (mana screwed nor mana flooded) and you start with a kind of commander, kind of planise walker that kind of defines what your deck will be about(but you are not obligated to play in a color identity or a certain way, they are sort of generic sometimes), the problem i have is that the community is really small in every state that i visit so i decided to make a cube for that game and carry it around and present it as a table top game and jump-start the community so there is more people to play with.
you talked about some ideas that helped me therory craft some issues that i have in the construction of my cube like card that are tied together and stuff like that but still i don't quite grasp how should i be balancing the archetypes or what kind of regalia should i add.
another concept that i like you to talk is about score points, i once saw the professor talking about how he played with a custom set of cards that kept a score board depending on things on the game and even all the way to deck construction.
thanks for the video and keep being aweasome
It'd be cool to see another Cube episode on GK or ET when its safe to meet up!
Commander cube is simply amazind! Tricky as hell to build but thoroughly enjoyable as well. In mine, we draft commanders separately but twice. Regular pack, commander pack, regular, regular, commander, regular. Starting with a regular pack lets the draft be more open-ended. Same thing with drafting commanders twice: it allows people to shift. I am also tweaking mine more and more towards cedh. Powerful magic is fun magic and as long as inf-combos require more than two pieces its hella tricky to pull of in a limited environment. But if you manage to draft a whole flash-hulk-package i reccon you deserve a win. I drafted the full boonweaver-combo last time but got smashed by a summon the pack and grusilda shenanigans. That won't happen in a normal game of commander...
Instant thumbs up just because of DJ
Hey guys, please listen, I have an important question, regarding everyones play, no matter which deck:
We all struggle to get into the game from time to time. E.g. you might start your game with 3 lands, but no ramp. In the early to mid game, all you do is hope for your enemies to ignore you while catching up with the players having good starts. (We usually play at power level 5-7, which is reasonable for decks between 50-1X0€). But even (online) play testing more costly/stronger decks, you run into this problem. So your deck build is one way to counter this. How do you tackle this problem, besides improving your deck (balancing, cylcing, ...). How often do you mulligan? First mulligan 2 lands. Third mulligan 3 lands + expensive spells. I'm not trying to win in every games, but participating and having fun is one of my key goals.
Thank you in advance, for written comments as well as links or maybe even a seperate video.
Command zone is amazing
My buddy has a pauper cube that is so much fun and it was not to hard on his wallet. Logan if you see this you rock man thats for putting in the work so we can enjoy it man.
C'mon guys the ammount of likes this gets is how awesome logan is!👇👇
Couldn't thumb this up b/c of that retarded last sentence.
The rest is true though. So many people wasting so much money on Magic... meanwhile, I build cubes with a few hundred cards that are literally 'worth' not more than 5 bucks (in total!) and we're having endless hours of fun.
Awesome content
I am personnaly building an "un-cube" for a couple month now :3
First tests are funky, and it's hard not to build a thousand cards cube... I LIKE BIG BOXES!!!
And I cannot lie!
I’m in the process of building a commander cube and to solve the problem with colour identity I just said that all commanders have parter. It makes for a crazy draft.
Have you guys thought about just getting a big box of sleeved card of the same sleeve and have a few section, ramp, creatures, removal, etc. of all different color and you can do one of two things with the box, use it to build decks that you play a few times take that one apart and rebuild differently (if you want) or around a new legend and/or build a cube if needed. I thought of this idea when I was looking at my ultra pro box, it hold about 1600 card and has different sections on the side with 4 main columns. More often then not I think that it would a fun way to play although getting the hang of one deck and mastering it is fine just save the deck list somewhere and build it again later if wanted, but I think being able to take an hour before play to build a commander deck that is new and so you don’t get board playing the same deck every time. Thoughts on this idea of play? I think it’d be a great way to play just in case you are in a play group that might be meta decking you to shut down your deck cause it is often one of the more powerful decks and pilots at the table (speaking somewhat from experience) and so I thought of this for that reason and just to have fun cause who doesn’t like building decks and discovering their own combos and how everything work. For example because I dont know if anyone else noticed this infinite colored mana combo that is similar to freed from the real, horseshoe crab plus jiang yanggu, wildcrafter with the crab having a +1/+1 counter on it with kinnan bonder prodigy in play. Thank you and please let me know what you think.