Lidia is a Flawed Mid-Tier? Best Character Design in 15 Years
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2024
- Sorry about the mess up regarding d/f+3+4. That's a kick that resembles Dragunov's same move in more ways that one but for Lidia it's NOT a homing move it's a powercrush. Everytime I see it I have to remember its not homing just because its so similar to Drags :D
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8:29 my girl literally yells "HIGH!" In case you didn't know you could duck. Truly the most honest character
Hahaha! ~
@@misantrope6267 soul eater
Hell nawl
Most honest guard break ever
your girl?
I like characters with clear cut weaknesses and identity. She stands out among all the other DLC's, who have many good generic tools.
Hey big fan 😅🙋
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When she says "High", duck it. She's too honest like she's fighting someone blind 😂
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I’m still amazed the devs actually gave the community exactly what they asked for. Solid char, not broken (so far), nostalgic stage. Just need to get on the online and ranked issues and we will be getting somewhere.
She also has a good pairing system which is something I believe a lot of characters that don't specifically have one lack. Tekken is about movement and all of this yeah but it sucks to get one job stuffed in your face a million times against a wall or something. And I'm aware that specific punch berries crushes crush counters etc exist
@@taylorbee4010 I feel like parrying in some capacity should be a part of every characters kit. Especially with how hard they nerfed sidestepping from previous titles.
These characters were not created in a month lol
@@jinkazama7587 not sure where I implied they are lol
@@07citychamp the characters play as they should, these were not created due to "people's wishes" or requests. Leroy plays like a boss, Fahk plays like a monster kickboxer, Kuni plays like a ninja, Lidia plays as.... a female Karate master, etc. etc.
The reason she is so steppable, is because her fighting style is straightforward in reality as well. Mostly focused on straight punches and kicks. I like how they actually implied in game
Disadvantage of karate I guess. Its very solid and strsightforward
@@joaoii1082 in practice it usually comes down to a lot of hit and run tactics as well, Lyoto Machida is a great example of how it looks.
@@07citychamp I'd add Stephen Wonderboy Thompson too. Jabs, distancing, lots of side kicks, and head kicks when the chance happens.
@@dantesapprentice4581 very true, I just always found lyoto more entertaining lol
Yeah, like Lyoto Machida and Stephen Thompson can be sidestepped in the ufc.. What reality do you reside in? "Her style in real life" :') Mate, her style is mostly imaginary.
a little tip for executing Lidias QCF 2,2 B,F,F 1+2 (on pad)
You can buffer it by inputting B,F first and then after a short delay press F+1+2. Also is great for getting that 50% scaling by the wall.
The notation would be: QCF 2,2B,F F+1+2
Cheers guys
Thanks man
At the moment the trailer of her dropped everybody was like " namco wtf is this, we all want kiryu, jinpachi etc.."
Now everybody is happy about her 😂😂😂
In my opinion its one of the best dlc we ever had. Great design, great fight style and not op as leroy was... just b1 for parries? Lidia needs timing for her parries, I like it!
True. Still want kiryu tho
@@Forward.4 I also wanted kiryu since the first season... but Im happy about Lidia too
I can play hwoarang and kazuya as kiryu (mods) thats ok :D
@@IronFistWS lmao great idea
Leroy Reveal: Pure love
Result: Hate
Lidia Reveal: Hate
Result: Pure love
Oh the irony ^^
@@Forward.4 thanks haja
1:35 Spit out my drink laughing!
*TOP FIVE*
*TOP THREE*
*TOP WUNNNN*
I like that Lidia is the most non-toxic character of all fighting games
The right player can make any character toxic
@@Batonic Kinda true i guess
But, what kind of toxic player will use a character that helps the opponent In the "victory pose"
Not sure how you came to this conclusion
@@MrAllBlack015 because she has a taunt that bows and other things
Just check TMMs Leroy release video, title says top tier but not broken, so please wait a few weeks before we draw conclusion on Lidia.
Just goes to show that people want to hate on Bamco so much, but some of these characters actually take fthe community digging into them for true potential to surface.
Thats why it's a first impression
I think we should give her time before saying she is in any tier. She is a completly new character who does not play like no other character. I am guessing she is meant to be sidestep able because she has good close range tools.
She plays like Leroy and Leo combined
theres probably a reason she is so steppable that we are yet to discover. but I see her only getting better "tier-wise" because right now she is her weakest and any new tech is only going to make her stronger.
@@Ace-tq9kr karate is a lot of straight forward attacks.
"good close range tools" xD lmfao. mediocre df1, no generic df2, hop kick auto screws, magic 4 requires commitment, demoman requires clean hit, 18f drag low, stances can be stepped or jabbed, vast majority of moves steppable or duckable and stance locked, and just frame moves have no extra properties besides a few points of damage.
@@gliath888 Her sweep which is 16f and does quite abit of damage isnt good? Safe strings? She does not have traditional Tekken stuff but she is surely good close range imo.
*TMM explaining all of Lidia's flaws*
Me, a scrub Jin main who got demoted twice by Lidia: WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!
inb4 "Lidia is actually OP" video in a couple weeks
Fr though lol
she is tho lol
@@codeine_ninja How?
She is,op
exactly same thing is happening as when leroy was out TMM said similar thing to him, furthermore when you see how much time he took to get to True Tekken God with kazuya and others in S4 compared to his Lidia which just jumped to high ranks really fast
but still it's clear she isn't as strong as leroy S3 but calling her mid tier with just a few days is a stretch, no one said that julia was op when she first came out and same thing with akuma, you need to wait for dedicated players to unleash her full potential
I like her. She's gotten me back into playing tekken again. The various stances and how they chain in, I love it. She has her flaws, but she's a very solid character. That and I like the look of her too. Excellent character design
11:57 Holy shit the skybox went crazy
Ye that surprised me
When you loose connection and it brings you back to warm up stage and for a second you see your opponent standing like a retarded scarecrow- that’s crazy
I'm enjoying her as well, was very skeptical but so far im having a lot of fun.
She just seems very solid and easy to pick up.
Indeed. These are the character designs Tekken was known for. For both Male and female.
They need to give these “anime dolls”, with weird fighting styles a rest. And she still looks cute and attractive without being some tween fresh out of high school.
Hope they continue with more of these martial arts types for the King of iron fist tournament. We need it! After a slew of magical abilities and fireballs.
@@Cr1ms0nRav3n they should put someone which do parcour with several extra combo with wall
This is just the best dlc character and stage we have ever gotten in years
I was skeptical at the beginning but it's a really good job. She's hard to play, so good for people who like hard way
This character is lots of fun and demanding in terms of execution, which I really love, beautiful and badass, the perfect character
I'm still being skeptical of her balancing. Last time you said "mid tier" was Fahkumram and we all know how that turned out. This isnt a jab at you at all, i'm just saying its still early days
Actually thats a Good point
She is a walking cheese factory that is for sure but at least THANK GOD she is a little steppable. That is a huge deal for neutral. One of the most important things. That b4 homing string is such a cancer though. She is -3 after b4 and you gotta fuzzyduck INTO -3 cause of the hellsweep even if she never does it. So cheesy. Small note - her 1,2 tends to catch SSL or even SWL on range so that can shut down stepping too. Not close up though. Also both the guardbreak and the mid launcher mixup are fully homing. Also weird decision. Of course you can't really interrupt it because you just get wallsplat from the first stance. Only things that saves this mixup from being maybe THE most obnoxious thing in-game is that you can kinda react to the blue spark of the guardbreak and duck it.
Fair but if you watched video .. he still stated himself that it's "early days" and that he has been wrong before
He has zero credibility on calling tiers cause with both Leroy and Fahk he was saying they're fine actually
@@boonytoons7968 i give him credit for that
She feels so good. Already mained her . So easy mix with her but mainly cuz she’s new. She’s strong asf though. Feels good to have a solid Tekken character not doing anime shit. Just wish I could get to know the character but no endings 🙃
>a solid Tekken character not doing anime shit.
As a Kuni player I feel attacked lmao
@@HairyLoco lol 😆
I love the Bow, its like an honorable Ki Charge
Agreed, my man!!!
Bow to pay respect, ki charge to grief
They should have given every character a humble taunt that shows respect
@@paradiseb5950 I wish
@@paradiseb5950 just dont give it to Bryan. His character for me is an exception.
"Lidia is a flawed midtier character"
*Looks at Kuni who's also a flawed midtier character.*
Right...
Kuni who? For real though, kuni got forgotten and dumpstered pretty quickly.
but kuni isnt a new character design tbh, it is a little unfair to compare kuni to lidia.
Damn u must fight some shitty kuni's then
Everyone hyped Kunimitsu up and stuff but after a couple of weeks everyone forgot about her.
"Kuni flawed mid tier" im ded pls send ambulance
Her short-ranged jabs and huge weakness to sidesteps give me pre-Season 4 Miguel vibes.
She might be the one dlc character that really allows the opponent options for counterplay. Great character.
I finally found my waifu, I'm not crying something got into my eye...
Ahhhhh I see your a man of culture too
We are in the same spot, best tekken waifu with no doubt
Love her design and gameplay. Excellent character🙂. Solid mid tier; B+ - A.
I'm crying too, but not from my eyes...ok that was too much
*wife. Don't disrespect a real woman with that anime shit.
I’ve just gotten done playing with her and I must say she’s pretty amazing
Raven looking thick in that outfit
Facts
Lidia reminds me of leo, but I do like her!
Lidia for me is an instant like. love her moves and for once she looks like a female fighter. not a girl that walks through the park
she literally looks like a model like all the other girls.
@@DaggerPrince she has a bit of muscle, her char is serious, her moves are very realistic, and she doesn't behave like the other girls in the cast
@@DaggerPrince wrong but go off
@@edgelord121
Because Nina, Anna, Kazumi and Master Raven aren’t in the roster and aren’t serious at all right? Hell even Asuka, Alisa and Kunimitsu are pretty much serious too
Yikes whats with people fighting over other chars. I never said that they look funny or serious. I just like that Lidia is having some muscles.
I like her design. She actually feela like a tekken character from the tekken 5 days, as a martial artist. And she is not boring and or brain dead like the original new characters in tekken 7
Didn't played her but yes she looks like Old tekken characters when fighting styles were more realistic
I think her homing combo is so good because of her sidestep weakness. Easy way to make people hesitate stepping if you use it well.
There is no way to use it well because it is in no way confirmable. You either do the full string and risk getting launched or you don't and get no reward on hit.
1:35 turned into one of the Hodge twins
Lidia got all kinds of kia's, all kinds.
Tidel of this sea mail
i just love lidia shes like a perfect frame character
Mainman will always be flawless top tier
your name is godlike
Main should go pro!
I got back into tekken because of you MainMan. Now I just gotta wake up early enough to catch your streams.
She really is a "new charactere".
She is unlike other dlc.
Not sure what to say you haven't said already.
I’m very pleased with her. I love that she has VF Akira style moves. I agree about her weak df1. Though her standing jab has good range. From round start position she can connect the one jab. She also has excellent punishment and counter hit potential. I’ve found she has solid moves to protect her weak side.
What a turnaround after TMM's horrified reaction to the teaser. lmao
Bet TMM wasn't the only one who reacted like this... 😅
@Nobody comments are not funny you troglodyte Yeah, just a vocal minority that likes to scream.
REEE WE WANT LEI : no one plays him
REEE WE WANT GANRYU: No one plays him
REEE WE WANT KUNI: No one plays her¨
I hope Harada and Murray will stop listening to these idiots.
@@erykaldo2l270 lol
@@erykaldo2l270 Everyone plays Kuni
She’s been out for two days so I’m gonna wait a couple weeks before I put her anywhere on the tiers tbh
Stop it tmm, she is very good. You will eat your word soon enough.
Stfu bro, it's not that deep
@@loveliestfawn r/woooosh
@@loveliestfawn This is tekken, not your Yaoi fighter b0i
No word about banning cheaters Murray?
Meanwhile the Tekken scrubs will take Lidia's bow as a taunt instead of show of respect.
Are you honestly expecting anyone online to use it in an honorable way?
@@Intellyellthismyoldchannel i believe in online. There is no honor. Its just people playing the game to either mercilessly beat, to cheese, to annoy, to troll, to cheat, ego stroking, and to complain.
That doesnt mean there isnt honor. We just dont see them as often
@@Intellyellthismyoldchannel I do , and other Lidia players returned the respect.
@@TurkiVinsmoke lol they just think youre taunting them so they taunt back. there is no respect or honor. a taunt is a taunt no matter what you do in it. its a second ki charge. period. its toxic.
@@DaggerPrince I mean its called "tanut" in the movelist for a reason..LOL Namco knows what they are doing to piss people off.They even went as far as to stop people from moving online after a K.O with the mirror item yet people for some odd reason dont take advantage of that item so..
Imagine she has Bryan's like taunt jet upper but she bow's and throws one of those powerfull mids XD That would be something else
I wonder if you can input bow and then input parry if someone tries something? Key charge into rage art activation is already a thing.
The more you compliment her the more ima love this character lol
Master Raven doesn't exist to this guy.
Master Raven is just a gender bender legacy character. Not impressive.
I like how Fahkumram's sabaki is exactly -17 now
Haha
depends on the range. can still be -12 only.
@@mizhou7393 yh but it makes no sense using it at long distances..
Even if you use it after moves with pushback like 312, he's still -17..
It's very very difficult to parry without getting completely exposed
Very fair analysis. Although I'd like to mention that you keep repeating the word "execution" when those things are just mastery tools for people who'd want to main the character. The damage difference between her perfect combos and the easy versions are just 3-5 damage depending on the combo and slightly worse wall travel with the hopkick. Only thing that requires execution with her is picking up someone after hitting d/f4(4) or 1,2,4,4 because you have very little time to react if the move launched or not which is very similar to magic 4 on a lot of characters.
Law's df+1 which according to this video is vital for being top tier also has very short range. I think they should have released 2 different stages. Great video 👍
Release Leroy
TMM: Top Tier But Not Broken and "Best Tekken Character Design In 15 Years"
Release Fahkumram
TMM: Fahkumram Is My New Main and his gameplay is "more interesting than Leroy and Kazuya"
Release Lidia
TMM: Lidia is a Flawed Mid-Tier and "Best Character Design in 15 Years"
I would take this videos with a grain of salt if im you guys...I would wait for the tournament to assure if this character top tier or mid tier
I really don't like the way they didn't implement footprint on the beach stage 🤦... i Miss Tag 2 graphics...
This has aged perfectly, she's considered top 3 now
Top 1
I like her. But again she is op which isnt a suprise because shes dlc but shes fsr far better than Leroy and Fahk which weren't just op but fucking simple to users.
We don’t know if she is OP, i’d wait for a while before jumping conclusions since she has obvious weaknesses
TTM: "Finally a great female FIGHTER!!"
NINA: "So f**k me huh??"
She is unique def, but I would say the best character design in decade is Leroy.
I can still remember the sensation when they launched him.
And it turned out you can't be that perfect, otherwise, nobody isn't going to play with you.
I’ve seen this “mid tier” talk before, not buying it just yet. Have to wait for tournaments and whatnot.
You should give her a try man. Been playing her since release, she's FAR from broken unlike when Leroy and Fahkumram released. So many duckable and predictable attacks, so many -10 moves, weak DF 1 string. Her strengths imo is her stances, but there are risks in entering it.
Best Dragunov language impersonation ever
19:20 That's pretty similar to the input for Akira's "Dragon Lance Combination" in Virtua Fighter.
Wow she has a tju from from rage that takes big execution that’s actually so interesting I love this girl
Oh, so same ranking as you gave to launch fakumram at this time. :P
No DLC character past season 2 has ever come out mid-tier.
Just judging by the many great tools she has, I'm not expecting less than high tier.
With that being said, I have no problem with her tools. Her difficulty curve can be ignored since her just frames only give a little more damage. Just nerf the damage a little and make players work for it. That way she will be perfect and balanced in my opinion.
Thats what you thought when fakurmam dropped too...
I know right.
Meanwhile he keeps on bashing Steve and Devil Jin for being strong in the very high tiers
Its the same cycle, everyone loves the new character then everyone cries for nerfs later lol.
With fahk people thought they would figure out the matchup but it turned out, the best movement and tools without drawbacks in the neutral was too much. So far those are at least not present here.
but he wont say a word about his boi kazuya suddenly losing his identity completely and becoming unsteppable with his new move :)) its okay if his mains lose identity by being made more broken. and its okay if other characters lose their identity by being nerfed. but if a character thats not his main gets buffed, oh! thats bad - they are losing their identity!!
She’s a fun character, Lidia, She’s so fun.
would you say she's fun?
@@0xXKARLOSXx0 yes, i can confirm lol..
"Hey bill, what if we made a woman, that looks like a woman for our new DLC?"
yeah i agree her desing is realistic and good i love that
Please, stop!
Some of her things are heavily based off of Akira from Virtua Fighter - +14 Guard break, a mid mid mid string where the final hit is a b,f,f input, extreme linearity.
I like they utilized both themes. I was at an impasse with what theme to go with in the jukebox
Im the only one who isnt blown away from her character design i swear😂
Yeah she is pretty basic pretty girl with a scar wow. At least she looks like a fighter tho she is big to .
I’m utterly unimpressed by her, but none of Tekken 7’s newcomers have done anything for me except for Leroy and maybe Claudio.
Best female character, she is original, not super easy, big weakness, nice behavior with her honorable ki charge or her taunt and God damn she's hot.
My main is lars, and l don't want to change him, but Lidia Boi she's already my second character.
The music change is very cool...
Honestly Lidia is one of the greats right off the bat :) love the character to death and back
she's got a bunch of good keep out and evasion with SS~u/b+1, ff+4~3 launcher, ss+4, and stance cancels which are all high damage also her parries are really good vs Aggrobot d/f+1 spammers IMO, she's gonna end up being really tricky IMO with all the stance oki and delays you can do.
Damn, she's really cool!
He said exactly the same about Fahkumram: "Totally not top tier, and best gameplay design in X years". Now you see where Fahkumram ended up.
Didn't he say top tier but not broken? Or was that Leroy? Either way...
Thats true but Fahkumram had a lot of janky tech to him that we didnt know at the time(weird whiff glitch and combo hitbox), he was wrong but I think most of us couldnt have known he was as good as prepatch leroy.
@@er7776 You could argue similar things about Lidia. We still don't know her that well.
Now this, this is the direction I want tekken to go in
I love her aswell, she just has some unorthodox inputs i cant wrap my head around (like b,f,f1+2) wich is ALSO great.
But i love Kuni too as an anime doll, not by gameplan/gameplay but by visuals. I wish she was more interesting to play ._.
NOOOO WHEN WILL THIS MADNESS STOP!?! PLEASE SAY: "I HOPE YOU ARE ALL DOING AWESOME AS ALWAYS" 🥊💀♥️
When TMM uploaded the combo video: OMG damage, see DLC broken, thanks BAMCO bad devs, etc.
After TMM uploaded this video: Same people: she cool, she honest, best DLC in a while, etc.
I still think its barbie in a sort of karate outfit
This character, and the Mishimas with the crazy dash movement, are making me want to start playing Tekken. It's too bad that there's no rollback networking.
Finally found my Tekken waifu. Who would of thought it’d be female polish Akira 😂
you sick
Im sorry but she doesn't bring true destruction like Akira will
Mainman: Draganov is braindead and blah blah blah.
Also mainman: what I always wanted, a female draganov
Two different kits overall. That's why.
@@theWIIISEguy well then it's not a female draganov right.
@@toad1863 Exactly. He said it as a joke since they share two similar moves. Kit and game plans are entirely different though.
@@theWIIISEguy no shit! What part of what I typed made it seem like not a joke
@@toad1863 The part where it seemed like you didn't get what he meant when he called her a female draganov. So.. the whole thing...
I got your joke, it seemed like you didn't get his.
having stances with mids, and mids in neutral, stances changes, and strong strings, she is kind of a hwoarang mixed with paul. and yes, at least a strong badass female, not just another shitty waifu
she is still a waifu though :D
Why the hate for waifus? You don't like girls?
She's not like hwoarang just because she has stances. Hwoarang can chain his moves, can go into stance even on block and his stance moves tend to be positive on block. Lidia is far more like an offensive Leo/Feng with the rush down of Dragunov.
@@JT-km6th my dearest jt, it is just my opinion. i know she is not that into instances like hwo, i main hwo and steve. but it is kind of my impression because she is vulnerable in stances. i would have liked instance cancel like steve or quitin from a stance like hwo with a quick jab. but she has to commit, so not that strong in stance. other thing, 1+2 is cancelable, but has no armor and with 30 frames plus is punishable by almost anything. i thought i could use that as a deterrant to make the opponent make a mistake but the startup is so slow that so far nobody respected that. i tried being away like two steps (so the opponent has to approach and you can have time to let go of 1+2 with enough time), but if you cancel you need to approach the opponent to compensate those 2 steps of distance and that's reactable as hell. anyway, i value your thoughts, what do you think of more cancellables for lidia?
cheers!
mainman in 16:32 : the 14f followup is hard
also mainman on kayuza: ch df+2 then 13f perfect dorya
It's worth noting that B2, 1 jails so it doesnt matter if its high high. its minus 6 on block and a natural combo for 31 damage 23:15
Motion capture was done by Tatsuya Naka. Shotokan legend
1:00 THE CHAT LMAO
You said the same about Leroy's design
Visual design... Before he came out. Even know he says leroy visually is the best designed and coolest character in years
@@bebehillz Not for me, I found him kinda cringe.
@@user-eu5ol7mx8y if you don't find grandaddy blind man with gold accents on his wing chun inspired clothing and his pimp cane and a fucking pit bull as an assist a good and interesting design then i don't know what to tell you. like what do you call a good design???
@@bebehillz He just seems strange with the pimp cane and a dog and all. He's meant to be a martial artist but looks like a retired rapper and pimp that spent his life in a ghetto. It almost feels Namco is trying to pander to American blacks or something.
@@user-eu5ol7mx8y lmao!!!!i agree with you that he looks like a rapper and i never understood the fuss about his design lol!he wears a white robe and red pants and everyone went crazy for some reason!dragunovs 1p costume from tekken 6 is a good design
Just bought this character.... she is so cool! BTW... very good video.
23:12 TMM that b2,1 jail on block, so opponent cannot duck the second hit. so u can use it as it track to her weak side, but yeah, it's still risky cuz it is a high, but it's safe as long as u connect to the opponent. but if you see your opponent duck the first hit, you can always mix it in with b2,3.
ff4 as an approach tool is nice. It has good tracking, fast and -3 on block.
Giving me Makoto feels
you can also use the ragedrive after (b3) 2 connects on CH. gives +14 too.
she is definitely fun, and i understand tmm s trying to underrate her so that they dont nerf her for no reason, cause bamco is generally bad at balancing but she s definitely not mid tier. imho, regarding her weakness to stepping, if u got a read on the opponent's ss/sw, u can go ff4 or ssr4, both of which have an ok tracking(not godlike, but playable). she would be top 5 ez if she had more mid options or a full throw kit the way i see it, but it s still too early. she s a contender for top 10 though, but cant touch leroy, paul etc, maybe she s around kazumi or post-nerf steve lvl or bit weaker
I just love how all those crybabies are bitching about her being broken by just watching YT videos! Brings me so much happiness!! Love you content man, keep it up!!!
I'm honestly so glad Lidia isn't fucked up broken
stark contrast to our boy there getting really disappointed when harada dropped that teaser lol
1:33 that's a bit rich coming from someone who played Leroy for 1 day and called him "not op" and "mid tier".
also "Leroy Trailer Breakdown, Best Tekken Character Design In 15 Years"
not saying she is nor isn't OP, just pointing out that we had this exact shit a year ago
for the wall move, holding forward then just doing back forward 1+2 works so...
qcf2(hold forward), 2, b, f1+2
Forward dash into qcf2 kills me tho. that shit is hard.
*one week later* So this is the most mindless broken character in the game
Well, its the better newcomer in dlcs of tekken 7 and oone of the best new characters in years, full tekken she is