Philosopher Reacts to PewDiePie’s Video on Nietzsche
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- PewDiepie's "Guy With Large Mustache" reacted by a philosophy professor.
Philosopher discusses the eternal recurrence of the same
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“Naked I once saw them both, the greatest and the smallest human being: all-too-similar to each other--all-too-human, even the greatest! All-too-small the greatest!--That was my loathing for the human! And eternal recurrence even of the smallest!--That was my loathing for all existence!”
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Hans-Georg Moeller is a professor in the Philosophy and Religious Studies Department at the University of Macau.
What is your thought on the eternal return?
It’s a great way to envision your life.
There’s no reason to assume it’s literally true at all, but such a premise encourages me to make really big meaningful moves in my life. To make life a wonderful work of performance art.
It's a bit tedious
I'm definitely a layperson and try not to come off as anything but. But I feel like I had arrived at something similar to the eternal return unthinkingly, just off the idea of deja vu and that so many things recur coincidentally that at some point their meaning (or the gut feeling about them) becomes more than coincidence, and from there the events become inescapable.
Though in terms of a more applicable eternal return, it's definitely easier to see it expressed in general themes of life rather than specific events or even specific coincidentally recurring events. This is a surprisingly digestible video and it actually helped clear up some things I didn't understand about Nietzsche.
I mean, you can only feel life once at a time, so the boredom could only truly be felt if there was some immortal soul, which on an individual level seems like a silly death anxiety compensation.
(If you’re bored, then you’re boring.)
It’s kinda like when people get all freaked out about this reality possibly being a simulation. Is this life not salient enough for you? Wouldn’t it also mean that the reality outside ours was quite possibly a simulation?
LIVE! HAVE LIFE!
0,5 speed to experience every drunk philosophy student talking about Nietzsche at a party.
hahhahha
"so yeah this is like the millionth time we've met... maybe haha"
It is simply hilarious. I love you for pointing that out.
,5 is the blackout student who’s having the best day of his life.
,75 is your roommate who watches pewdiepie and Jreg.
rather 1.5 speed :D
I watched pewdiepie's video and liked how he framed the video not as an indepth reading or interpretation but more as a layman's take on what he found worthwhile from reading the philosopher himself.
By refuting the image of philosophy as a field that is hard to approach and thus needs to be broken down by "experts" (now often found on youtube) It encourages the audience themselves to engage with the text.
Ironically that mindset is kinda the source of the plague of emo-teens who used Nietzsche as a justification for their own self-indulgent solipsism, no? I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying at all, I just think we have to recognize the risk that comes with Pewdiepie's method
"It encourages the audience themselves to engage with the text."
Your word in god's ear, as we say in german. Nice to see somebody able to bring up such a high level of idealism. Usually this is absolutely not what people do when they start to "do their own research" lol
@@hazardousjazzgasm129 What's interesting to me about what you said is the fact that the cliché of Nietzsche as the philosopher of edgy teens implicitly states that teens (or readers in general) seek out and take from texts only interpretations that affirm one's prior beliefs.
Also considering that there are not only nihilist but also life affirming ideas from the works, whether teens internalize an interpretation of "will to power" or "eternal reoccurrance of the same" their beliefs would not have markedly changed from reading, they would just have a more sophisticated concept of their beliefs.
Unless you think Nietszche's work is a kind of information hazard which can turn impressional teens into anti-social adults, dissuading people from reading it doesn't really make sense to me.
@@alexanderleuchte5132 I mean "doing your own research" into philosophy realistically doesn't pose much of a hazard to others unlike some fields like, I'm sure we all know, immunology.
The whole ideology of "doing your own research" in light of today's information climate is becoming more and more like "find arguments that affirm your bias" and this is an intractable problem of human nature so society will have to find some way to mitigate the risks, (i.e. better education and media literacy) if at all possible.
I mean the worst that can happen is that teens will start to make and share Nietzsche memes. To me, I say; what's so bad about that?
@@hazardousjazzgasm129 thats because they interpreted his work before reading or researching it
Why would pewdiepie mention his happiness at his wedding to please the female audience?! Why is "being corny" for the women and why cant we assume that pewdiepie honestly felt moved and deeply happy during that Moment and is not afraid to share that unironically? He has never been afraid of crying on Video or being very honest about his feelings and thoughts, and I think that is a great example for a healthy masculinity
Yeah that was a weird coent to make tbh.
Plus he has an overwhelmingly male audience anyway
It's just a superficial comment. Anyone could make it. Don't let it take away from the video
It's not really strange to assume the most famous youtuber orchestrates every move accurately, but eh... it does sound a bit pessimistic to assume it's just that. Two things can be true.
@@7th808s Yeah. He never said it as something condemnatory
I'm convinced this channel is a weird philosophical experiment about profile-building and algorithm manipulation.
Hans winks 😉
Aren’t we all?
Just like it says on the tin?
😂😂😂
@@DylanJ.Holmes hans "vinks" ;)
I love how your videos are up-front about the addictive nature of youtube and what specifically you are trying to do to drive growth. It's actually really refreshing and I feel like I learn a lot.
Lately I’ve been getting kind of annoyed at how popular Nietzsche has been. Not because he’s a bad philosopher or writer, but just because he’s become sort of the mascot of philosophy to people new to it, because of how quotable he is and the accessibility of his ideas. I can’t complain though. New people getting interested in philosophy is great, and I can’t deny that I love Nietzsche as much as the next guy.
As long as people learn something from it. Not just say they are into philosophy and not apply any of the philosophies to their life
Saying Nietzsche knew a lot of Buddhism through Schopenhauer amounts to saying he didn't know much about Buddhism, which I think is true. He critiques it often in his writings, but what he's really critiquing is Buddhism as understood by Schopenhauer, who didn't understand it either, or rather his understanding was colored by his own pessimistic outlook. Nietzsche and Buddhism, especially the Mahayana tradition and especially especially zen, have a lot of commonalities, atleast that's my experience.
Didn't most of the west intially get re acquainted with the ancient Greeks through mostly ancient Roman and especially Islamic translations and commentaries? Very little of the original text remains and what we understand about those Greek figures are off commentaries and quotes by later writers.
Agreed. Stephen Batchelor's book "Buddhism without Beliefs" is the only mainstream work I can think of that got buddhism down accurately
They are using them to find answers of his life, takes awhile. A one off. A very important person. That's old. They just don't care then do everything the Bible tells you not to do, love of fate. Amor fati. Nihilism. Simple. Regardless of faith, the Bible has a similar idealism. Schopenhauer is an example of a nihilist who rejected Kants doctrine. And he just wanted to and justified this as his will to live. His partner, Kant rejected him.
Nietzsche and Buddhism: Ironic affinities by Robert Morrison; Oxford University Press, excellent read.
Where does he criticize Buddhism? I only remember light praise.
I like your take on the "Eternal Recurrence of the Same". It made me think more about it
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There is nothing unbelievable in the notion that a moment of his wedding, when he got married to the woman he loves and was surrounded by friends and family, was a moment of true happiness and meaning for him, and one that he would gladly relive in a cycle of eternal recurrence. That is what Pewdiepie was attempting to convey.
No one said is was unbelievable...
I thought the way he said that it might have been to appeal to a female audience was weird. Are people not allowed to talk about their wedding without it being seen as pandering? He was directly using it to explain why he agrees with the philosophy, so it's not like it was off topic. Such a weird thing to say.
On "horror boredom comedy", "it's much like the experience of watching a pewdiepie video on youtube where you can feel all of these feelings at the same time"
omg lol roasted
GOT EM
if this video ever finds out it's going to return again and again, always playing the same way, it'll probably be fine with it just for this moment
You speak so calmly and evenly, it's always a surprise when there is a sick burn hidden in there.
Right? I haven't watched PewDiePie's videos in a good while now, but what he said about them at the end was kind of an insightful burn, if that makes sense
@@vitormarques6670 I dont know why but i hate philosophers. I am kind of a philosopher myself so i hate myself atleast that part of me. Everything is irrational. That is why i hate philosophy. Science is much better and has always done good to humanity. There is no need for religion, philosophy in the future. It will either be proven as false or it will be a part of science. I feel like philosophy is like mixing art and science. However that is something i call an opinion and that i see as garbage. Art and science is cool, philosophy is shit. Philosopheres have little dicks. Scientist have big dicks. That is the difference. Philosophy and religion is the same, but with some minor differences. You should not be offended it is not a personal insult it is my critics against your thinking and it deserves to exist. I dont understand it i wish there was a type of philosophy or science that could go against the bias of this way of knowledge. I dont think it is shit after all, but it has a lot of problems innit.
@@djrbdbdndjwjk5039 you might not be aware but you have to thank philosophy for being the origin of science. Your lack of awareness about this very fact shows that you're far from being able to call yourself a philosopher
Ok i want to die. I wish science could save me. I am too lazy to live. Maybe there is some philosophy that can help me finnish. I dont know after all what is the impostor of knowledge? Is it realy science or is it religion or is it philosophy or is it emotions or is it spirituality. Who should we follow? I love myself, but hate myself. The fake self is who i hate. The part of me i dont see as a part of me. Also i hate some people in the spirituality community it seems like they do shit that they dont understand themselves. I am actualy spiritual. I believe that there is something more behind. I hate knowledge because it is not fun anymore. It is just chaos. I wish i was depressed so i was motivated to die. I hope i can find out if suicide is the cure or not. I am getting quite desperate. I have no time left it is running out There is just so many other things that are better. I wish i was barely mortal. Almost immortal and that time does not exist. I think after all life is something precious. But i think suicide is part of it. I dont think i have anything to do here. I wont satisfy this world it will satisfy me atleast. Maybe that is the solution. I think afterlife could exist. It should not matter anyways i dont see why i should live everything is in fog. I need some clarity. I want to disapear maybe if there is afterlife i would just go to hell. Because i feel giving up is part of me and my personality. For me this is what makes me happy. I dont see any happiness that is real and forever. It is time that destroys it. I dont know. I dont understand i try to be aware of everything by watching as much youtube possible. I enjoy skiing. Of course i will die of age. I dont know i feel like i am a part of a chess game and i have no choice in life and do something not out of free will. I dont see why happiness is ok after all. It is not real enough. It is like the emotion is dead. Drugs are stronger. Ok I think i wish i was free from everything. After all happiness is good, it is just how you achieve it that changes. If i was given the best life and could be free doing what i want exactly like i wanted then i would say yes. But i dont know anything. That is the reason. I dont even know why i should or how. It is a puzzle. I think about being dead and time. Ok i dont think i am different we are all the same. No one is 100 pro bad. I think i should be 100 pro bad. I think i could become god of destruction. Pro bad is good. I dont think it is wrong. Maybe that is where morals blend in. That is why i feel like i am in a game of chess while being in checkmate. Everything should disapear. I dont understand how anything good can come fron this terrible mess. I think i have enough reason to live in this moment. It is because i am irrational and naive and dumb. I dont know what to believe in. I dont know it seems like this is a endless loop. Atleast i would see anything big as evil. I think sometimes being in control gives more freedom than being free. I think i want to die is because i am very confused and insecure, so it is for a simple reason. I am a materialistic person. I find more meaning in happiness than anything else. I dont think life was made to be simple and lazy. It was not meant to be delusional and hedonistic. It was meant to be a training and a way of reflection and character. We are not immortal for a reason. Unlike others i dont think it would be hell to be immortal. I think it is to better fit the gameplay. The gameplay needs to be a certain way for it to work.
@@vitormarques6670 ok 🤦
I appreciate, admire, and are amused by your honesty in engaging with Pewdiepie as a way to gain more views and elicit a response from him.
Looking forward to the next one! :)
For those who are interested in understanding Nietzsche to the fullest extent, especially in unraveling his magnum opus *Thus Spoke Zarathustra*, I would suggest reading Paul Loeb's *The Death of Nietzsche's Zarathustra*. I've spoken to the author about this work and he clearly understand the mystery of Nietzsche at a deeper level than any other scholar I've encountered.
I really enjoyed this. Nietzsche is someone that the more I learn how misrepresented his ideas are in popular culture, the more I find his actual ideas incredibly compelling and thought-provoking. I would love further videos on Nietzsche going into more depth about the eternal return, the ubermensch, and his critique of Christianity. I have gathered a surface level idea of these things but don't really understand what Nietzsche said about them in detail.
@John Caraway I second your thoughts on Twilight of the Idols as a great entry point. That book can definitely be seen as a sort of "Greatest Hits" book of his. While there are some new maxims and aphorisms in there, Nietzsche deliberately wrote it as a sort of summation of his main ideas, particularly from Genealogy of Morals. It's also one of his shortest books, although none of his books are super long if I remember right. It's also loaded with some of his most important concepts that the mainstream usually ignores. While everyone has heard of "God is Dead" or "Should you stare into the abyss..." I don't see too many people talking about his Four Great Errors or the infamous "Reason in Language/Faith in Grammar" section at all.
As a side note, his essay "On Truth and Lies in a Non-Moral Sense" is another fantastic place to start with him, and if you don't read that essay in your class, I highly recommend you read it on your own time. It's very short compared to the books, it has a fascinating intro that sorta parodies a Christian cosmological origin story (think Genesis from the Bible), it's often used to support the idea that Nietzsche was a proto-postmodernist and it has one of his most famous and important lines: "Truth is a mobile army of metaphors, metonyms and anthropomorphisms..."
Hope this helps!
@S L Ah, that's interesting. For some reason I had gotten the impression that his writing is near impenetrable without an explainer. I will have to check them out!
@John Caraway Ah yes I forgot about Nietzsche's concept of ressentiment. I had a really interesting introduction to that in the book Australia Day by Stan Grant. Grant, an Aboriginal man, draws heavily on Hegel and Nietzsche in his own thinking, and discusses the tension he feels between, on the one hand, the desire to pursue justice for the wrongs committed against his people by colonial Australia, and on the other hand his fear of turning into Nietzsche's ressentiment-man, who imprisons himself in a cell of resentment and pain, unable to ever move forward.
Thanks for the reading recommendation!
@John Caraway Hah! There must be some mysterious connection between Grants and Nietzsche.
Thx
I'm a simple girl.
If I see Nietzsche, I click.
If I see THE ART OF WAR in the background, I click the Like button.
pickme
Truly very simple!
Now this is an anime crossover I wasn’t expecting to see..
With quite a few people in channel comments pleading for Deleuze at random occasions, after this warm-up, "Nietzsche and Philosophy" is in my opinion the best place to start reading or introducing him over the (even more) rambunctious work with Guattari. As a creative, affirmative interpretation and reappropriation of Nietzsche's philosophy, it's a really inspiring piece of work. Of course, if the good professor agrees, then there's another topic. Though I do get the impression that we're pretty Hegelian here (Deleuze had no love for that guy!), and might not see Nietzsche as quite the explosive Dionysian that Deleuze fancies :)
Hey, thanks for keeping up the chain
deleuze reads himself into the philosophers he interperets. i have read his book on Spinoza( not impressed) i look forward to reading his book on Nietzsche.
@@Djordj69 I think he has two books on Spinoza (also two on Nietzsche), however you're right they are not as impressive (at first) as Nietzsche and Philosophy.
@khafuuzum Good professor, cloaked in the false modesty, displays large quantities of hierarchical superiority of an academic practicing "royal philosophy" _von oben._ He's light years away from nomadic, non-hierarchical thought of DeleuzeandGuattari. He wouldn't understand how "delirium is a general matrix of every social investment".
@@exlauslegale8534 I'm hoping this is parodying the sort of dogmatic hero worship Deleuzianism which Deleuze himself abhorred (in ways which informed the genesis of Nietzsche and Philosophy!), quite aware of the dangers of being and becoming a prophet. Whatever the case may be, as I'm not here to entertain this posturing, that's all I'll say.
I tried to read Nietzsche, but I couldn't understand him. The reason was because I didn't know what philosophical concepts he was trying to break down.
So I decided to understand what he was talking about. In fact, I started to read Plato, Aristotle, Presocratics, Schopenhauer, etc. It's a long journey, but I fell in love with philosophy...Thank you Nietzsche
I assume you tried reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra? If so, that is the worst book of Nietzsche’s to read first. It is like an allegorical condensed form of all his prior writings. I suggest starting with Twilight of the Idols, or the Antichrist. Much more readable.
It's absolutely wonderful (in a somewhat schadenfreude sort of way) to see that PewDiePie actually does a better job at summarizing a famously difficult philosopher, even though he does not present himself as being any sort of expert, as compared to "Philosophy Tube", who does purport to be an expert, or at least a duly credentialed and hence "proper" philosopher.
Philosophy tube got me interested in philosophy when I was younger, but my study at university brought me to a point where I realised a lot of their videos were really shoddy... such a shame. But I'm glad we have Carefree Wandering!
I recommend philosophycuck and plasticpillz
@@sofo02 Yeah they're quite good too
Nah you haven't seen enough philosophy channels.
@@chesscom6199 can you recommend any?
Excellent!! So healthy to ground Nietzsche’s thought experiment responsibly, when there are 2828229 videos on UA-cam treating this idea indulgently. I might piggyback off this video!
I wonder if Nietzsche might have had a more direct connection to Buddhism than just thru Schopenhauer, as Nietzsche was a philologist by trade and specialized in Indo-European languages, of which Sanskrit is the main!
The link between Nietzsche and Buddhism is Nishitani
"100 times better than Christianity"
oh yes nietzsche the most appreciated philosopher ever who never gave an argument to his theories
he wouldn't be able to defend them properly anyway, it's pure nonsense
So I was hallucinating when I read On Truth and Lies in a Non-Moral Sense or The Genealogy of Morals?
@@ATigo-nu9xtmidwits cannot even provide a Example
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I didn’t expect you to be aware of the anime re:zero where events are repeated in time.
I love the honest intro. Thank you.
I wish every youtube video had that warning at the beginning and the end
Thank you. I had to laugh
I just want to hear a lecture on Husserl from you, Husserl or Leibniz for beginners as an in-depth introduction is all i'm asking for
Please!!
+1 Leibniz
Even though Pewdiepie's take may have been a bit off, his appreciation of the moment he got married shows the meaning he's found in life and the appreciation he has for these sorts of experiences in life.
Still though, the main point isn't to find happiness in life only when things are going well but to also have a reason to push through when things don't go well.
Pewdiepie's interpretation wasn't "incorrect" per say, but it was more like it was incomplete. He didn't take his reading of Nietzsche far enough to a more logical conclusion. Sure, we should all foster a more life-affirming attitude and "shout a holy Yes to life" as Zarathustra put it. But Nietzsche's philosophy isn't just "stop to smell the roses", it's more about affirming life by exiting your comfort zone, embracing struggle and challenge as a means to overcome them and better improve yourself and the aforementioned life-affirming attitude. Pewdiepie's interpretation, while nice and semi-accurate, can easily suggest a happy yet complacent lifestyle that Nietzsche would not approve of.
@@hazardousjazzgasm129 well said
In a sense, Pews example was the antithesis of what Nietzsche was talking about
@@hazardousjazzgasm129 Not to be that guy...but, it is "per se"
@@EWOKakaDOOM You're that guy
appreciate you for making this video..
I'm here to learn philosophy and comment for the algorithm, and I'm all outta comments
Groundhog day actually does represent all three dimensions pretty well, the absurdity of everything repeating becomes comedic at first but eventually he gets so bored with it all that he tries to kill himself, but he can't even end it that way which is horrific. Maybe the writer was a fan of Nietzsche.
you deserve all the viewers/subs you can get!
I see After Virtue on the shelf. Now that's a great book.
I love looking at people's bookshelves
I think if a thing causes critical thinking, it is valuable, no matter the reason for the origin of the thing.
In that manner, I think if PewDiePie gained ideas, then it has value, regardless of the "correctness" of his interpretation.
That is not to say there isn't value in looking into and understanding the origin.
Well KANT doesn't think so.
I think we need more on Nietzsche...
How do he describe the world, and how do he suggest we live a good life?
What are his critics of other philosophers?
Why don't you read his books? They're pretty good actually
I've always thought the eternal return cannot be fully understood without reference to the related notion of amor fati. As Nietzsche expressed it in "Ecce Homo":
"My formula for greatness in a human being is amor fati: that one wants nothing to be different, not forward, not backward, not in all eternity. Not merely bear what is necessary, still less conceal it… but love it."
a wonderful video, thank you. my only small comment would be that in many Buddhist understandings nirvana and samsara are really the same reality viewed from different perspectives, and therefore one never "gets" to nirvana as a goal in the same way that the Christian resurrection is portrayed as an end.
Great overall content professor, keep it going!
AAHHH IT'S PETELGEUSE i love you man that was a nice surprise
It would be fantastic if you were to create a video on book recommendations for layman philosophers. I would love to learn about some less-than-obvious influential or controversial works of philosophy.
He is right. Because the most basic components that make everything are indestructible then of course they will repeat forever. The good news is that each huma and each living creature for that matter will only experience things only once. Even if you were to clone a human or make an exact copy, that copy would still be a different individual who can only experience their own life.
Little Miss Sunshine was the movie that made me buy "Beyond Good and Evil" by Nietzsche at a local book store. I was 16 at the time. It was my first philosophy book, and my life hasn't been the same since.
Great commentary, thank you for sharing 🙏
Lol the ending 🤣👌
If they are gonna tackle videogames in some next video, I wonder if at some point they'll talk about BLAME!
Or, if we could start with some Deleuze and Guattari.
I was surprised by how good his video was. I expected much less.
I would like very much to see you give David Hume a similar treatment to the one you gave Kant. He feels sufficiently different to confuse.
A, potentially, super based video game react would be one for NieR Automata. It incorporates (primarily) Western philosophy in such an extraordinary Japanese manner that it’s kind of mind blowing. 10/10 would watch.
Don't forget The Talos Principle, Virtue's Last Reward and Disco Elysium
Existentialism sucks.
@@benjaminbeltran7004 sure yet, it can make a good video game…
This channel is absolutely brilliant! Thanks for making it. I bow to Thee, Great Algorithm, give grace to this worthy channel!
This Philosophy professor included a RE:ZERO insert, which is an ISEKAI HAREM ANIME. I am ecstatic
And also somewhere of a deconstruction.
your outro is brilliant!
What are your thoughts on Contrapoints? If you did a video on her, she would almost certainly respond in some way!!
Watching this after the Dr JP response video. I think this video isn't explicitly tagged, and I'm not sure how it's done, but it would be cool and pragmatic! ))
When I was in college some friends and I decided our favorite philosophy joke was...
Nietzsche sits down to a nice meal. The waiter says "and how will the Professor be paying for his meal?" Nietzsche says "are you aware of my theory of infinite recurrence of the same?" The waiter says "yes." Nietzsche says "then you know this exact moment will occur again in this exact way; and I will pay you then." The waiter says "of course imminent Professor; unfortunately you said that last time."
You are very good looking. Why write "& etc" at 6:00? The ampersand is a ligature of "et", which is then duplicated in "etc". Your logic is flawless. Hope you liked my feedback sandwich.
His asian student films and edits these videos, so don't be too strict.
@@hape3862 I will not. The production makes the videos a joy to watch!
Waiting for Godot. Except when things recur they get worse, so there is a concept of progress.
Hello Sir. Would it be possible for you to make a video showing us your book collection?
So, is it similar to Camus' commentary on the myth of Sisyphus? Absurd?
About the intro about nihilism: I'm a nihilist. That doesn't mean I don't have fun and that I'm not happy. I just know acknowledge the pointlessness of life and that nothing matters and I'm fine with it. In fact, most of what I do, I don't do it with a point but I do it to have fun and 'cause why not? Just because something doesn't have a point doesn't mean I shouldn't do it. Having a pointful life is a human-made concept just like good and evil.
I used to feel that way too, but I feel my viewpoint has evolved since, as I know find nihilism as a philosophy effectively impossible. Essentially here's a counter:
If nothing matters in life, then would you truly be fine with dying tomorrow, as opposed to dying in 10 years. I'm (hopefully) assuming your answer is no, as - like you said - you still enjoy having fun and whatnot. In this sense, your drive to "have fun" or simply live is a meaning to life.
I think it's a common misunderstanding to assume that a meaning to life has to be profoundly universal. The little things you do (such as eat a good meal, talk to friends, etc) that may make you happy and push you to keep living are you purpose/meaning! (Richard Taylor has a great piece on this)
The philosophical framework that you're operating under is actually moreso Absurdism, which was put forward by Albert Camus. I'd highly recommend for you to read into him cause I really feel like your view of life is akin to his own :)
Loved the warning
I think it would have been fair to talk about how many UA-camrs are using Nietzsche for their reactionary politics, while distorting what Nietzsche was talking about
13:26 I did not expect this burn.
But Nietzsche did say a lot of things that seemed to indicate a belief in progress. He said, "A race is natures way of getting to a few great men, and then to get past them." And ""Man is a. bridge
between ape and superman."
My opinion is that he could not have meant the eternal reoccurrence literally. He meant that we should be so life-affirming that even if it turned out to be true that everything in our lives will be repeated over and over, you would still embrace your life. Which was quite a statement for him, since his life was mostly one of loneliness, physical illness, and other forms of suffering. (He never had a wife to dance with.)
By the way, he was an inspiration to both existentialism and post-modernism but predicted BOTH PHILOSOPHICAL MOVEMENTS.
The best crossover ever
The mirthless laughter of the damned.
I love how our narrator wrapped this up hahaha..the last minute is very funny
I think it's wrong to dismiss the approach Pewdiepie mentioned as 'self-help'. A great deal of existentialist philosophy can be described as 'self-help', in finding meaning in a world devoid of God.
It is true that Eternal Recurrence, like life, has characteristics of horror, boredom, and comedy, but Nietzsche's challenge was to embrace all those aspects and amor fati, love our fate. The life-affirming qualities of Nietzsche certainly do fall in this category of 'self-help', which really ought not to be a pejorative.
I think it needs to be made clear that this is very much your reading of eternal recurrence. Actually, there are philosophical interpretations which are closer to PewDiePie's simple life-affirmation interpretation than your meta-narrative one. Some citations from SEP: Clark 1990: 245-86; Wicks 1993; Ridley 1997; Williams 2001; Reginster 2006: 201-27; Anderson 2005, 2009; Risse 2009;
didn't expect sin archbishop of sloth to be in this video
eternal recurrence in terms of entropy has always been a cool idea
By your representation, it sounds like Pewdi kind of just reiterates the ‘Philosophize This!’ (podcast) take on Nietzsche which I think suffers the problem of presenting their views as being far more .. “objective” or “normative academic interpretation” in representations of the philosophers than they are in actuality.
But dubious speculation is what it is.
yeah, I didn't know much philosophy when I listened to him, but when he did an episode on Marx, which I actually knowa fair bit about he butchered it so hard I considered stopping listening to him
Nah some of the episode are pretty good and the guy himself said that his interpretation are well supported and researched so calling it dubious is basically saying you just don't agree with the interpretation. Nothing else
Can you make a spotify playlist so that i can listen to your videos whenever and wherever i am.
Maybe he meant an endless repetition of replaying his life over and over in his mind.
Imo, regarding the difference between Nietzsches and buddhisms cycles, I think they are more similar than you say. Nietzsche and buddhism both point towards escaping the suffering of the cyclical, not neccecarily/always/mainly the cyclical existance itself. Yes that idea does exist in buddhism, however, the time-scale used to explain getting out of cyclical existance is so large it tends towards infinity. Varying views do occur within buddhisms strands too, of course. Just something to consider.
There is that great story about a mountain one mile wide by one mile wide and one mile high. Every thousand (or hundered) years an eagle flys over it, with a silk scarf in it's beak, grazing the top of the mountain. When the mountain has worn down from the scarf and nothing reamins of it, enough time has passed to escape the cyclical existance.
That's about how it goes I think, sorry for my non-native English :)
@@eternalPOTATOE thanks for the 'koan'. And do not apologize for your English, it is wonderful to read
@@JMoore-vo7ii thank you friend :)
That's a nice way of encouraging more people to study Philosophy. Make a video commenting on those just starting to understand it that they misunderstand and have a corny interpretation of the concept.
I find that modern slang has a better phrase than "fed up" For what Nietzsche was trying to convey;
'Done' as in "I'm so done with this" incapsulates the cognitive dissonance of being caught up in a process that one is not done with (finished) but being opposed to seeing it through. The task is not done, the game never ends but you are done, your desire to continue your role is gone.
We've been throwing balls at bottles for years, are sick of the trill of the game and the pride in our skill and simply want it to be over despite the desires for such an end being wholly tied to the sensations of the game itself. We want to be free from the game because we aspire to a grander life. We want to stop throwing the ball because our performance doesn't mean anything to us without a true victory, a time of celebration punctuating our labor before we move on to a new challenge.
I think after understanding the eternal return one should return to the phenomenology of spirit in a Lacanian sense, the two compliment each-other incredibly and can provide a profound existential peace in my experience. Lightning never strikes the same place twice, the bottles never tumble the exactly as they did before. The game is permanent but it's content is constantly changing.
3:24 umm that point was strange and unnecessary. Maybe the guy just likes his wife? 🥴
Yea that was a strange and unnecessary comment. Oddly negative and a non-generous assumption of Pewdiepie's motivation, which, again, was a totally unnecessary assumption to make in the first place.
I think Hans-Georg might have been too flippant when considering the profile-curation elements of PewDiePie's video. After all, the professor can be entirely up-front and even cynical about his own profile-curation through the videos on this channel. But I'd agree the comment was nevertheless *very* off-color for the subject matter of the video since it didn't go much into profilicity, and Hans-Georg never really qualifies the statement so it just sits there feeling off.
Possibly its own reference to the possible disgust of the eternal return, which is itself a way to provoke thought about the idea and apply it to the media from which the idea was given, a way to have remind the viewer no media is without its critique? I'm just spitballing at that point though LMAO
I don't believe the comment was off-handed. At the least, it's a joke, or moreover, probably has covert motivations not elaborated in the video. I wouldn't be one to guess what the motivation was, but Im sure that prof would put some premeditation into the comment.
I smell bitterness/resentment towards successful relationships.
@@alaron5698 could be that, but it's probably extreme cynicism. Nevertheless in was off handed and unnecessary.
Your wedding comment had been weird, why would it be pandering to talk about a memory from his wedding?
I assume that might've been just a bad take at a joke. Let people be corny and cringe, it's one of the purest emotions we all can allow ourselves to feel.
13:30 why did you have to go so hard? lmao
Came here to say this, lol. Philosophers can't help themselves with the pwns either.
Well, if it is the case that the universe is cyclical in a manner like Penrose's CCC and there are an finite amount of configuration of natural constants, then, we could indeed have an eternal return of the same with "the same" being all possible versions of a universe from big bang to entropic death repeating in in ad infinitum in greater or lesser infinities based on the probability of the replication of each universe
love your pothos Prof. Moeller
Thanks!
Pewdiepie obviously listens to BAP. First Mishima now Frederich
Book clubs for pseudo alpha males
Lovely warning on your video! (:
I love luring advertising to my screen, they fall for it every time.
it might come off as too childish but make sure to check out ''Eastern Philosophers vs Western Philosophers''made by ERB, its a rap battle and each line pretty much has a WAY deeper meanings to it. You can pause after each line and talk about the meanings.
I was about to comment on absurdity and you ripped the words out of my mouth…
Great Vid, I would love to see you do an analysis of morgue!!
They do the same thing with Camus. These people were not nihilistic; in fact Satre delivered his "Existentialism and Humanism" talk as a repost to the very claim that existentialism was nihilism.
Pewdiepie has actually made quite a bit more videos on philosophical topics, including a sort of review on The Republic as it so happens haha.
The idea of Eternal Recurrence as a confluence of horror, boredom and comedy is very much in line with Bataille's interpretation of Nietzsche in general. In fact it relates even more generally to Bataille's idea of laughter being a response to instances of horror or insanity. His book "On Nietzsche" is recommended for anyone who wants an in-depth or transgressive take on Nietzsche. Bataille also does a great job of vindicating Nietzsche from the National Socialist's appropriation of his ideas, particularly by juxtaposing him against Rosenberg's anti-Dionysian outlook.
I see you commenting on here a lot and support your reccomendation of Batchelor's 'Buddhism without Beliefs', so figure there's enough in common for me to ask: how did you begin reading Bataille? Interested to get your opinion on readings or ideas from him to start from
@@JMoore-vo7ii The first book of his I ever read was The Accursed Share. I'm no expert, but I don't think that would be the most ideal place to begin (unless you're a big fan of Marx and Post-marxists in general). Bataille was prolific in both philosophy and fiction, which one are you more interested in? Story of the Eye is probably his most famous work of fiction, but when it comes to philosophy and essays it can be harder to say where to start.
I tried reading Bataille's "On Nietzsche", but I found it unreadable. Attempting to read Bataille reminded me of Nietzsche's passage:
"Those who know that they are profound strive for clarity. Those who would like to seem profound to the crowd strive for obscurity"
Now, it may be that Bataille IS profound, but when SO little effort appears to me made to be comprehensible, I just cannot bring myself to continue reading.
@@alaron5698 Which translator did you read?
@@hazardousjazzgasm129 Bruce Boone.
Imagine a philosophy live stream w Hans and Pewdiepie 💛
Your explanation is expansive of the concept. As you have also mentioned, the eternal recurrence of the same perhaps refers to the absurdity of the "life" and not just the life events of an individual although the former encompasses the latter. When Nietzsche says the life repeats itself, he means to refer to the process of life (i.e. the blind force called Will by Schopenhauer). This process of life is so banal and absurd that it doesn't differentiate between the great man or the small man; all follow it whether they like it or not, all are "driven" by it, hence his use of the term: human, all too human.
Nice! Love to see an analysis of Morgue also.
Nice video. Please make one about Baudrillard's ideas and our social media, second hand experience world.
Great response.
Why can't a like this video more than once!?!
great video! Interessting take
(possible spoiler about Rick & Morty season 5 at the end of the post; ha-ha, I know, Rick & Morty, philosophy, very big brain~)
I always thought of this whole eternal occurrence thing as the most directly Greek tragedy inspired thing in Nietzsche - the affirmation is very often the affirmation of the struggle against the inevitable, like in earlier Greek tragedies where the characters were cursed to do very specific things, decided by fate itself or gods, but struggled against it and didn't give up against the impossible odds. It is tragic, it is a bit funny and ironic, and it is very commendable - so the affirmation comes from Nietzsche admiring the struggle against the rules of the universe themselves: eternal return might be a thing, but I'm still gonna do my best and leave a mark in this cycle I happened to be a part of. It's part of the reason Nietzsche claimed to not like Euripides compared to Sophocles and Aeschylus, he found Euripides to be focusing too much on aesthetics and moralizing.
I gave a lecture about Nietzsche in the animated show Adventure Time once (it has a whole lot of reoccurring motives, character types and events that are very easy to link to the idea of eternal return), but also - some seemingly nihilistic, depressing concepts as well (the line when Finn speaks about life itself, the act of living it out, being possibly disappointing compared to the act of birth, which was presented as the greatest thing in the universe). Similar concept - the "basic concept" of how the world seems to work is not very optimistic, things repeat themselves and you will suffer a lot, feel like there's no point to anything, but you still struggle against it, and even if you don't come out on top, the struggle against the inevitable itself seems to matter the most.
...which now made me wonder if the season 5 finale of Rick & Morty could be examined with this framework, since it presents the idea of willingly escaping the cycle of reoccurring suffering (caused by some easily identifiable factors).
the primary reason I can't entertain myself with the idea of the eternal recurrence is that, seems to me it would mean that everything is already pre determined. Which is a discussion all itself. I know there are a lot of people who think everything is in fact already pre determined. I'm not one of them.
In "Appetites for Thought; Philosophers and Food' Michel Onfray wrote "There is no clear inflexion in Nietzsche’s biography to show the influence of dietetics: ‘Indeed, till I reached a very mature age I always ate badly, morally speaking, ‘impersonally’, ‘selflessly’, ‘altruistically’ - for the benefit of cooks and other fellow Christians. ’If you want to be Nietzschean, you have to remember what he wrote in the Untimely Meditations: “I profit from a philosopher only insofar as he can be an example'. By this standard Nietzsche himself would be discredited. He never puts into practice the dietetics of his theories. On the brink of madness he wrote in one of his books: “I am one thing, what I write is another matter.’ Nietzsche’s dietetics is in fact a virtue dreamed of, fantasized about, a way of warding off ingestion that all too often becomes indigestion. Food is an analogon of the world. In fact, with is ailing stomach, his deplorable physiology, his deteriorating body, his poverty, and his life as a nomad doomed to family lodgings better known for their cheap food than their gastronomic care, everything conspired against a beneficial diet. '
the disclaimer at the start got me