I really like how much here those videos are prepared, always great description, all things mentioned, every detail or issue nicely pointed and explained. You do amazing work Man! @PhilsComputerLab
It's funny because with just a bit more RAM this would actually be a perfectly-adequate mid-range gaming PC even by modern standards. XP may feel old but support wasn't dropped that long ago.
I love these OP Builds. The i5 4690 makes more sense for people to buy here as XP caps out at quad cores, and they’re much cheaper. X-fi Titanium’s are also going up in price fast so I’d recommend grabbing that first. Great video Phil! 300fps Far Cry is crazy. I remember when a solid 30fps was amazing XD
I remember suggesting you make a video like this a long time ago, so I'm really happy to see this video. I think it's astounding that the GTX900 - series supports windows XP. Amazing stuff.
I love haswell processors, I just completed a build for my father upgrading him from his 2008 Duo Core HP that is on life support. Upgrading him to 8gb of RAM, i3 (planning on getting him a devils canyon i5 or i7 when I get one for a good price), GT660, two 500GB WD Blue SSDs (one for OS & other for Storage) I pre-loaded 3DO: Army Men 1 - 3, Blade Runner, and a few other games on it for him if he wants to play some older pc games. All in a micro atx case, Haswell is a good budget upgrade path for people who don't do much more than basic stuff online but with responsiveness. Or go Ryzen if they just need more modern or even the Athlon 3000. Always nice to see your builds and how you set them up.
I could start building that now, but what does windows 7 do that 10 doesn't? (Legit question, would love to know what could be special about windows 7)
@@アキフナズリヌ Yes and no. Windows 7 doesn't support ray-tracing (RTX), as that requires DirectX 12 and the highest Win7 will go is DX11; Win7 will, however, support RTX 20xx and 30xx graphics cards, as there are Win7 drivers available on Nvidia's website for these.
I love your videos Phil. You inspired me to make a retro Windows 98 SE gaming machine. Hp pavilion 8175, Pentium 2 233mhz, 64mb ram, 10gb hard drive and a ati rage 2+. Deciding on what gpu I can put. But currently as it stands it plays my fav game. Age of empires 2 plus the expansion perfectly! Nice to go back and play on classic hardware.
Lovely system. My Haswell 4790k still sits in my main rig. At the moment with an RX590 and 32gb Ddr3. No need to upgrade processor yet at all. Maybe in a couple of years but what a great chip it's been.
I can't, so I'll come back to this comment and hold you to it. But probably not a realistic expectation. Nowadays 10 Years is about 4-5 generations of graphics cards and I expect this number to lower as time passes, due to lithography constraints. And we're talking about flagship parts too, so 100$ ten years from now will likely get you 2080ti performance and a soda. Add the processor, motherboard, RAM, plus how rare those parts will be in 10 years and you got yourself in a costly, time consuming purgatory.
THANKS! I was just thinking the other day about building a "end of life hardware" pc for xp. I was just about to start researching all the hardware and your video came out. Saves me some time! Ty
@@philscomputerlab I've got a Dell Dimension 8200 with a 2ghz Northwood P4 that I got from my uncle about 2 years ago, he got it when the machine originally came out. I threw Win Me on it, an ELSA GLADIAC ULTRA, 512mb pc800 rdram and an SB Live. Slick machine.
For even more ultimate, mod the bios with an older microcode (up to version 7 if I recall correctly) and you can run all cores at the max turbo of 4 GHz. Overclock the base clock a little and you can run it at 4.1 easily ;)
A quick correction /note here. This isn't as far as XP will go. You can run XP on 4790K's (I'm doing it on my own retro XP machine with all cores/threads enabled and zero problems) as well as on - ALL - 9xx series Nvidia cards. Although beyond the 960 series cards you have to modify the .inf files otherwise you will get a "no card detected" error but it can be done. You can even run Titan X cards with XP so long as you're willing to modify the .inf files. I'm running a 4790K with a 4 gig Nvidia 960 SSC and I'm exceeding 1300 FPS at 1920 x 1200 resolution in some games... Also a quick note too about Quake 4; it will use up to 4 threads actively throughout game play (I've seen it on my own system). So while it's running fine on your system with only 2 threads enabled, it'll use up to 4. The engine it was built off of is more modern then I think a lot of people realize.
Getting a GTX 780TI might also be a good idea since it still has official XP drivers, it's more powerful than a GTX 960 and has 3 GB of VRAM, not bad. Of course the "best" ones would be one of the Titan cards with XP support.
@@tudormihaialexandru3038 But let's say you have 4 GB of system RAM, and then put a 3 GB of GPU card in your system, then you have only 1 GB free for system? (32-bit 4 GB-limit)
But wait, there's more! There are quadro cards with the same die as the titan,but the vram goes up to 24gb. Maybe not particularly more useful,but imagine running windows XP with as much vram as a modern 90-class titan equivalent a decade later. The source code of XP got leaked in 2020 and people have managed to compile their own drivers for a bunch of modern cpus and supporting hardware, just not graphics cards. I saw a post from two weeks ago of a guy running XP on his Ryzen 7900X, with 32gb of ram and NVME drive all with fully functioning drivers.
I can see someone nostalgic building something like this in 10 to 5 years from now, cuz he/she would like to play these games as he/she remembers or would like to have played back then, just like people do nowadays with those win 98 computers...
Another GREAT build. I like the fact that the board takes more modern components so that by running a program like Virtual Box you could set up both XP and Windows 10 in virtual machines. I might be missing something though. Where can you get XP? Also, do you already have the games, or do you download them from a website? This may be a stupid question, but I honestly don't know the answers. Thanks
I am upgrading to Ryzen soon. My haswell 4690k and used GTX 960 are for my next retro XP machine. I am excited for Ryzen, but I am honestly more excited for my retro machine XD. Very informative and helfpul video, thank you!
This is as good as it gets for a Windows XP machine, coincidentally the GTX 960 is the last generation that supports analogue video output so you can hook it up to a nice CRT.
I'm using a 1660 Ti with HDMI to VGA display converter, with cheap LG 1080P monitor, I tried to turn on my old CRT to play Crysis on it using the display converter but is dead, pressing the power buttom and nothing happend
@@DualPerformance Try lower resolution on your pc before you plug it to CRT. Set it to 800x600 and slowly work to higher resolution afterwards on your CRT monitor.Keep me updated.
@@someboringperson9359 does not work even at 640x480, the monitor has been unused by at least 17 years, was working good back in 2003, I think that some capacitors inside the monitor must be replaced because they dried itselft due to never be power on all those years (sorry for bad english)
Haswells are holding value because of the availability of boards and memory. They are the last DDR3 CPUs that work relatively well with current software. You can almost muddle through with a Vishera or a Sandy/Ivy, but if you want to get use out of a DDR3 kit with a well made and affordable motherboard, Haswell is the best option.
IMO the full EAX experience needs a good 5.1 surround sound system. Headphones just don't do it for me. So did you disable HT for performance or compatibility reasons? I also wonder the same regarding the disabling of CPU cores. And what about the full RGB colorrange over HDMI on Nvidia GPUs. Does it also default to limited color range in the Windows XP drivers? You could've mentioned those things in the video, which was otherwise a very good one. Thanks for making it!
armorgeddon he did for both better compatibility and performance with the games as well as with XP. Personally, I just use a quad core and turn off nothing, but that’s just me
Multicore and HT compatiblity with XP itself should be perfectly fine. Regarding games it depends on the game, mostly how older the game is. I wonder if disabling cores on a CPU like this would improve boost clock speeds on the remaining cores. I'd still like to hear from Phil was his view is on the subject.
Modern(kinda) PC for XP "Retro-Gaming" Nice one! That rig can be used for modern "Win 10" gaming as well. Perfect for Dual Partition-boot. Can run all modern titles pretty good - though not a the high settings. What I like about Haswell, is the extremely low idle/desktop power consumption. Only dislike is the temperatures. Bad workmanship on the die/ihs assembly and the integrated memory voltage regulator is not the best combo. But this lower power S-model used here, should not experience very high temps. (should stay below or around 80c - under stresstest)
My choice for going with an Ivy Bridge over Haswell has to do with the Intel USB 3.0 controller not having proper drivers. A fast external hard drive is nice for transferring games and leaving XP offline. Good video Phil.
The cartoonish but clear and sharp look of video games from that era still somehow seem to be much more immersive compared to the bling and bloom nowadays
What a great video, I would love to have seen some "older" games, like Quake 1,2, 3 and the unreal games (including Tournament) on that system. Cause it would be awesome to see how many FPS these games would be running at, but other than that. Your videos are smashing great :-) keep up the good work :-)
Quake 3 benchmark is capped at 1000fps due using of windows standart timer, in quakeworld ezquake you,ll better cap the fps to 1155 or 1001, if you don't the videocard would make a high frequency noise, but this system should go higher than 2500 fps for sure.
And here I am with an intel2 quad core q9550 I got with my pc for free. Only thing I spent on it was $20aud and that was for a gtx560 that normally goes $40-$45aud second hand...
Ultimate XP supported hardware I guess would be a 4790k OC to 5ghz with a 980Ti or Titan, I’m just not sure what XP only game would warrant that build? Desktop would be hella snappy though lol 😆
This is actually a really fun idea for a retro XP Gaming PC. There are a lot of games I love from that era and I just happen to have an i5 4590 sitting around and an R9 270X which happens to be AMD's last GPU with XP support. I just don't have a sound card... well, I do, but it is an Audigy 2 ZS Platinum, and the motherboard I have doesn't have a PCI slot.
This is pretty neat Phil, I did an ultimate Windows XP pc with a 4790k and Titan X maxwell once on my channel ages ago, it was insane, but I think your choice of gtx 960 makes more sense, and your board has better support for xp than my asus Maximus vii z97 board, I’m just waiting for you to figure out how to use m.2 ssds with modded vintage OSes On a side note, I found drivers for the gtx 970 on Nvidia website, the 980/980 ti I couldn’t find one for though
@@philscomputerlab yes, I did a video showcasing two different XP systems that I currently have dualbooting OSes, one was like the $420 xp build that has a gtx 970 and 3770 in it, just a modded dell optiplex basically, the other one is like my $700 dollar one that has a 1tb ssd and titan x, XP doesn't officially support Titan X BUT, there is a vista driver for the Titan X Maxwell, so, I was able to install it in XP, you can also inf mod the latest installer for the 970 in XP to support Titan X maxwell 12gb, and in XP it actually does show the card as a titan x maxwell with 12gb of vram, I don't think that 32 bit XP can actually utilize all of the vram, but, it works as well. I did some testing using z97 with the titan x and xp and it was getting some rather absurd fps on crysis, enough to justify using a 1440p display or a 144hz+ one on games from the end of the XP era. I did also even get some things to run in 4K within xp, but I found that the 970 wasn't enough firepower for crysis in 4k ultra, hence why I did the titan x xp build, I did some benchmarks, but not as thoroughly as you do, it is interesting.
@@philscomputerlab just to aid you further, here is a link to the sets of drivers confirmed working in XP for 970/980, when i tried to use this for 980 TI/Titan X maxwell, I believe I forced it to install in device manager, I did something funky and it somehow worked without an inf mod, but the inf mod guarantees it to work on any board. us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/344.11/344.11-desktop-winxp-32bit-english.exe here is the link to the driver that nvidia hosts on their site that works, and here is the link to the later version of the xp driver that has an inf mod if you want to see what has to be done to mod later XP drivers instead of brute force installing them like I do. mega.nz/#!KcwXDQIb!G_KVexc_yfK0Cnawiwms_KIWevdtpuj02GdcDxdJh4M
@@philscomputerlab us.download.nvidia.com/windows/344.11/344.11-desktop-winxp-32bit-english.exe nvidia hid this driver from the public after they dropped xp support, but its still hosted on nvidias website, this works on 970/980 officially. 980 ti and titan x maxwell can be forced to work with it too but I think i did some trick with device manager forcing the driver, but an inf mod (just adding titan x to be in the list) can also be used to make the driver install instead of brute force. hopefully this leads to a 4k gaming/240hz windows xp experiment
Superb video! A Haswell platform for Windows XP feels a little strange (it’s not exactly period correct) BUT it’s technically fully XP compatible so 🤷🏻♂️ However, if you’re going to disable two cores...how about using a G3258 instead? You can easily get one of those past 4GHz by only adjusting the multiplier. Edit: Nearly forgot to thank Phil for the snappy drivers recommendation, it’s absolutely saved my ass!
Hey, Phil. I know that this is an old vid, but I found the Asus B85M-G has full WinXP driver support still on Asus's site. It'll still cramp the gpu fans but get a case that will mount a fan on the side over that spot to force air in between the gpu and sound card and it's a much simpler install.
I think one of two cpus would also be appropriate and worth revisiting later for a video. One is any of the Kaveri or later FM2+ APUs from AMD. They have built-in graphics that should run quite well without the extra expense and hassle of buying another graphics card. The other cpu is the Intel Pentium G3258. They're stupidly cheap, and they overclock like crazy. For the anniversary of the Pentium, Intel released these chips as the last overclockable Pentiums you can buy (for now, who know about later on). I think it would be really appropriate that you run games on such a fast Pentium. Also, a really good game to run in XP for graphics and sound (even if it doesn't push hardware) is Bioshock. It has a wonderful art style, and it was one of the last games to support EAX with EAX v5.0.
I have the Anniversary Pentium, but no Z chipset motherboard for overclocking. I plan on doing more APU videos, so stay tuned! Still got to find some really fast DDR3 RAM to do it justice.
that is a fast one! if you want another heavy XP era game, try CMR Dirt (2007) on ultra settings, it makes my HD 7850/C2Q work hard (also it's very heavy for core2s on the game mode with multiple cars), the 960/i7 might be a lot better with it,
Yeah, CMR Dirt, I used to load that up on systems that should easily have run it but seemed to stutter badly, especially AMD systems, only system it ran fine on for me was a 1366 i7 920
Lol, this is great, I had upgraded my friend's i3 to this i7 4790 cuz he has a Haswell motherboard and could not afford a full platform upgrade, he is already commenting how snappier his system is. And he is still rocking a EVGA GTX960-2G SSC from 2015 cuz HE IS a retro gamer mostly ;)
Yeah, i have an i3 4150 in main pc, and a c2q 9200 sitting in storage for an "ultimate" win xp rig. To me its about period correct hardware, with native support. Going over, you are into the same as with later software. It might work, it might not, or with hidden issues and bugs. Better to keep it native, and only deal with period accurate issues accordingly. PC gaming is such a bitch, with so much false and shitty advice flooding the internet. Mouse control especially is such a pain with usb mices using that 500-1000hz hack too by default. Shit really fucks with many older games
@@lopwidth7343 I never realized how subjective mice can be until I got a Razer DeathAdder. I really had to mess with settings before I got it where I could use it. Turns out I am not a big fan of high DPI.
Is there an actual benefit of running old games on Windows XP as opposed to running them on Windows 7 or even Windows 10? I understand the nostalgic value of having Windows XP running on bare metal hardware, I'm just wondering if it has any practical, upsides as well in terms of gaming performance.
Maybe you could benchmark that system as you have it now and then put windows 10 on it and run the benchmarks again? The main use case for XP retro pc in my eyes is to run games that won't run on windows 10. However you said that this setup may run games faster under XP. I'd like to see if there is a difference.
Great vid as usual.. that 38W idle is so nice but ofc HT is disabled and 2 cores so hmm Also Farcry is SO nice.. I remember though that I never finished it as I never wanted to leave the glorious beach to go in some industrial cave..
I feel you man.... my dailydriver laptop has an i7-4xxx something , 16GB RAM, and a GTX860m .... My work laptop sports a 6th-gen i7 , but only has built-in Intel graphics ...
Lol. You guys think y'all have bad PCs?? I have a beauty laying on top of a shelf collecting dust. Celeron 700MHz 64MB SDRAM (I think) Motherboard Graphics Generic Soundcard Win98
I'd love to have a windows xp with this specs haha , currently using a 771@775 Xeon, greetings from Brazil, your videos are awesome! Thanks for all your videos @PhilsComputerLab
@@philscomputerlab a long time ago i bought a cheap l5420 modded to fit in 775 for a project that i never did, last december i earn an asus p5b premium and i found a modded bios to use it, now i'm using it for a proxmox host at home from this friend i earned a m2n32-sli deluxe wifi (and the wifi died) with an athlon single core 3500, and i got a phenom II 945 for this setup, and i found a guy with a dead m2n32-sli deluxe wifi in the box that said, pay the shipment and the motherbord and the box and all stuff is your, than i will get the onboard wifi from her :D
@@marianistefanoj Xeon X5270 is that E8700 equivalent. The E8700 I believe never got release, only the E8600. So the Xeon X5270 is the fastest Dual Core Core 2 Duo :)
@@philscomputerlab this is what i currently have here Mom's Pc E8400/ P5K-SE/ 1x2Gb XMS2 800Mhz/ 1x250Gb Samsung/ GT 730 (haha better than my ones)/ 600w PSU since 2008 when she bought the pc for me (i killed some parts a lot of time ago, and and i made it work again and i gave her this computer) And technically since december 2019 ('Proxmox') L5420/ P5B Premium/ 4x2Gb DDR2/ IDE 80Gb (proxmox) + Sata II 160 + 320 + Patriot Burst 240Gb (SSD W7)/ Zotac 630 Synergy (yeah bad)/ OEM PSU (needed to be replaced) ('NAS') E4600/ P5KPL EPU/ 2x2Gb 667 Generic/ 20Gb IDE (OMV) + 2x250Gb + 1x 500Gb + 2x 1Tb Sata II/ Geforce 8400Gs/ OEM PSU Phenom II 945/ M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wifi/ 4x1 Gb DDR2/ Patriot Burst 240/ No PSU + No VGA Athlon XP 2200/ 2x 512Mb DDR/ Abit NF7-S2G/ 2x 40Gb IDE + 1x 80Gb IDE/ Leadtek FX5200/ OEM PSU (was since 2012 without use) There are too E5300/E3400/ Athlon II 260/Athlon 3500/Sempron 140/ Athlon XP 2800/3000, one i7 920 (no motherboard to test and x58 still so expensive, much more in brazil) I need some stuff yet but i'm working on it, and technically here is the house of 775 , my hardware stuff still in 2008 here XD but i love this stuff
that snappy driver is really saving the trouble of searching for drivers of old devices Hell it can even install drivers of latest hardware no issue One hell of a installer
I’ve been using snappy religiously but finally ran into the first time it did not have a driver for me. It was for a pci to pci host bridge when I installed a pci x1300 GPU
@@mesterak I tried finding a snappy driver executable but the one I found was from the driverpacks website (drp.su), and I feel like I didn't download and use what everyone else is using. Cause, when I ran it on my PC nothing happened haha, I guess I just don't know how to use it. Could you throw me the snappy driver installer?
"GTX 780 Ti" is also officially supported by XP. Bit faster than 960, it's closer to 970, but needs more power (250W vs 120) and not easy to find. Of course You don't need that for games of that era, but it is still an option.
Wouldn't a 780ti be more powerful? I also checked they still have drivers. I know 300fps is massive but you said Ultimate which I would assume super overkill.
I just remembered. If you wanted a CPU that would be ever more suited for the "ultimate" title, make use of the K variant of the 4790. Just disable the hyperthreading and you could push it to 4GHz.
I have a GTX 960 2gb, same Gigabyte Windforce edition. Before i ran it with i5 3470 and it was awesome, but now upgraded to Ryzen 7 2700, just upgrading slowly, I know I need better GPU for this CPU but, GTX 960 still goes through a lot of new games really good.
Phil this video here is so helpful to all that follow you. I wanted for to know what the best Windows XP machine would be and well that is still supported and so you have just made shopping for parts easy. I keep looking on Aliexpress for good deals and with this here helpful video with a combination of parts locally and from Aliexpress guaranteed in the future I will have a somewhat more modern and easier pc to deal with for XP gaming. Thanks for this video. So far 2 for 2 on great videos by n=my favorite pc UA-camrs this weekend. Nice to relax after a long day and watch another good video by you. Also really appreciate you doing these non spastic, sponsor filled videos. Yes you mention one in every video but you don't annoy your following with it. Heck I never even heard of Aliexpress until I watched your videos. Thanks for giving others and I options to look at for pc hardware. They got that free shipping to Canada so I love that. : ) Have a good weekend.
Hey Phil - wondering if you've dabbled in any 4k monitors to test the clarity of lower resolutions for retro games? I like the idea of the 1920x1200 monitor but lower resolutions like 320x200 and 640x480 still look a bit weird on my 1080p screeen and i've been a bit curious about how it could look given a better pixel density at the same sizes? Thanks!
For Windows XP, the R9 280X can be installed as a R9 200 Series along with the inf mod for GTX 970/980/980Ti , Titan X, and the Quadro M2000, M4000, M5000, and M6000, all of which make great for dual booting.
@@tobiaspedersen5427 meh someday I'll have an i7 4790K. When the prices drop. AMD Ryzen 7 2700X is cheaper today with twice the cores and faster clocks.
@@talvisota327 Mine is a P4 670 but water cooled. I duno if it could be air cooled, I never tried. What stopped me going higher was always motherboard instability issues as oppose to the CPU itself
@@talvisota327 Currently an ASUS P5Q SE/R I have another board I want to try eventually that has SLI but its currently in storage. I duno if it'll be faster though seen as its a DDR board. This one is DDR2. If I remember it gets somewhere around 650ish passmark
Lately I've been considering a highly-efficient XP build that can also run modern games, and one of the most efficient motherboards out there supports Haswell CPUs and up to one PCI card! However, I'm still deciding between the i7-4790S and the i7-4790T, and between the GTX 960 4GB and the GTX 950 75W. If my estimates are correct, my power consumption should hover around 150 - 200 watts-probably even less-depending on the chosen hardware and the software settings, which can compensate for the immense power consumption of a CRT monitor, if I get one later on. What are your thoughts on this?
I actually wanted to build one myself. But I got a good price offer with i5 3570k, 4GB 1600 Ram and a cheap GTX780 with 3 GB for 20 euros... I don't think there is a big difference anymore. I took an old gray ATX box from 1998 as a case and mounted an RGB fan on the front and rear as a little embellishment. The RGB effects shine through the ventilation slots of the old tower.
I picked up a Dell XPS 8700 that had a i7 4790 and everything else, I picked it up for $4 bucks at an Auction that had mostly tools and other old house hold stuff with a bunch of older people, they didn't know anything about the system. I'm just glad it was dusty as all hell, if it was shiny or I'm sure some 110 year old man would of bid me up. That system is currently running a GTX 1660 (I bought off amazon) and it games and keeps up really well today.
Maybe I should rename my listing for an office PC to Windows XP gaming machine instead... Also I have a question or two. if the CPU is already a dual core (my case its the G3258), can I just skip the disabling of cores? Also, is it better to remove 4GB, or go for dual channel power by keeping the other 4GB of RAM?
You know, Haswell's revised S versions were pretty sick. My old i5-4690s, due to the instruction set, was on par with the ipc of a stock clocked 4690k. The i7-4790s is typically cheaper and slightly better than the 4790, while having an even smaller thermal envelope and lower power consumption.
@@greatwavefan397 can't say for Haswell because I never used the Haswell variant, and I haven't read any such thing on them. However, I have used the 2500T and despite being two generations prior, for a purely streaming based entertainment type linux daily driver for web browsing, it's actually not bad when paired with a cheapo dedicated GPU like a GT 730 though I used a 1030 since I had it. And those chips are super cheap
It seems that like a bunch of the other commenters, my main PC would fit the bill as well. I know I have a 4th gen i7 in there, but I don't recall if it's the 4790K off the top of my head. The 960 is even newer than my Kepler Titan I have in there! Good to know when I finally upgrade I have good use for my existing parts!
The Nvidia drivers used in the video (the very last one that supports Win XP) supports the Titan as well. The GTX 960 was the newer card, but the Titan should be much, much more powerful than it. Wonder if there would be any difference using it rather than the 960.
Fantastic setup. Curious if there are any issues running older games with 16 bit installers on this type of build. Is there any reason to scale back to older hardware if you're looking to run games from the late 90's to early 2000's or could this do it all?
Erik Britz Your system and his system isn’t retro. He’s using newer hardware to run a retro operating system. If you put a 1970s motor in a 2020 car, it doesn’t make that car retro.
Thank you for this great video. For those interested, you can get the Geforce 970 to 980ti/Titan X Maxwell to work under XP with a slight tweak, here's a link to do so: mattpilz.com/windows-xp-drivers-nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-980-980-ti-titan-x/ Confirmed to work on my Ivy Bridge + 980ti system.
I think it's pretty awesome and as long as you're happy that's all that really matters even though I own a paste PlayStation 4 + 3 I still love my old retro games looking back it really shows you how far we've come and there's a really a lot of retro goodness out of Windows XP
This system would probably even give a pretty good desktop experience in Windows 10, maybe not so much for modern AAA games, but it'd certainly be fine for web, email, youtube, etc. More casual games like Minecraft or Fortnite would probably be fine though, so it would definitely suit as a shared family computer for kids to play around and do their homework. Anyway, I'd also be interested to see what the equivalent AMD system would be.
you're literally the only youtuber that both reviews older and budget options as well as benchmarks them too! keep making more of these videos!
I really like how much here those videos are prepared, always great description, all things mentioned, every detail or issue nicely pointed and explained. You do amazing work Man! @PhilsComputerLab
Sean Mondout not in the way he does them. I’ve watched many other youtubers that pits similar stuff and it just doesn’t pull its weight
#randomgaminginhd does old, budget & bechmarks
It's funny because with just a bit more RAM this would actually be a perfectly-adequate mid-range gaming PC even by modern standards. XP may feel old but support wasn't dropped that long ago.
As someone in 2022 rocking an i7 3770 and rx560 i can confirm.
This i7 is from the windows 8.1 era so…
@@nft639 similar build except I have an i5 3330
@@4littlenightmares212 And?
@@4littlenightmares212 intel hadnt really improved cpu performance since then until the 8th generation
If only I could travel back in time and show myself that 3dmark2001 score WOW 😵
I love these OP Builds. The i5 4690 makes more sense for people to buy here as XP caps out at quad cores, and they’re much cheaper. X-fi Titanium’s are also going up in price fast so I’d recommend grabbing that first. Great video Phil! 300fps Far Cry is crazy. I remember when a solid 30fps was amazing XD
FX ("8-core") cpus are supported by XP.
@@kuvos13 And useless due to amount of cores being wasted on an xp system.
I remember suggesting you make a video like this a long time ago, so I'm really happy to see this video.
I think it's astounding that the GTX900 - series supports windows XP. Amazing stuff.
I love haswell processors, I just completed a build for my father upgrading him from his 2008 Duo Core HP that is on life support. Upgrading him to 8gb of RAM, i3 (planning on getting him a devils canyon i5 or i7 when I get one for a good price), GT660, two 500GB WD Blue SSDs (one for OS & other for Storage) I pre-loaded 3DO: Army Men 1 - 3, Blade Runner, and a few other games on it for him if he wants to play some older pc games. All in a micro atx case, Haswell is a good budget upgrade path for people who don't do much more than basic stuff online but with responsiveness. Or go Ryzen if they just need more modern or even the Athlon 3000. Always nice to see your builds and how you set them up.
5-10 years later, windows 7 retro gaming PC
What about Vista?
I could start building that now, but what does windows 7 do that 10 doesn't?
(Legit question, would love to know what could be special about windows 7)
Windows 7 might even still support RTX graphics card
@@アキフナズリヌ Yes and no. Windows 7 doesn't support ray-tracing (RTX), as that requires DirectX 12 and the highest Win7 will go is DX11; Win7 will, however, support RTX 20xx and 30xx graphics cards, as there are Win7 drivers available on Nvidia's website for these.
@@Ophidicus vista was a failure
I love your videos Phil. You inspired me to make a retro Windows 98 SE gaming machine. Hp pavilion 8175, Pentium 2 233mhz, 64mb ram, 10gb hard drive and a ati rage 2+. Deciding on what gpu I can put. But currently as it stands it plays my fav game. Age of empires 2 plus the expansion perfectly! Nice to go back and play on classic hardware.
Lovely system. My Haswell 4790k still sits in my main rig. At the moment with an RX590 and 32gb Ddr3. No need to upgrade processor yet at all. Maybe in a couple of years but what a great chip it's been.
Still 4790k?
@@bestopinion9257 no unfortunately. Recently upgraded to a 5800x and 2080ti
@@griff5476 That's fortunately. :)
Still using my 4790 with 16gigs of DDR3 & a XFX 8g RX 580 for my every day comp & have no complaints.
can you imagine a youtuber in 10 years time building a system with an i9 9900k and a 2080ti which he bought together from eBay for $50, lol.
Sounds great to me just have to wait till then 😂
I can't, so I'll come back to this comment and hold you to it. But probably not a realistic expectation.
Nowadays 10 Years is about 4-5 generations of graphics cards and I expect this number to lower as time passes, due to lithography constraints. And we're talking about flagship parts too, so 100$ ten years from now will likely get you 2080ti performance and a soda. Add the processor, motherboard, RAM, plus how rare those parts will be in 10 years and you got yourself in a costly, time consuming purgatory.
With the way things are right now a 2080ti will still cost 5 times more then it should 10 years from now
@@limpa756
Yeah. prices are very gay and blm now. thanks to scalpers
THANKS! I was just thinking the other day about building a "end of life hardware" pc for xp. I was just about to start researching all the hardware and your video came out. Saves me some time! Ty
Phil, sometimes I wonder about your retro builds when I still have these components in daily use, haha. Nice solid build, love it!
Haha I remember when I used Pentium 4 for Windows 98 Retro PC, that got the blood boiling in some :D
I just scored a couple old P4 computers for free. Going to see if they work and research some upgrade options for them.
@@MrUglybronco Pentium 4 makes for excellent Windows 98 Retro PC! Especially if you have AGP version with Intel chipset.
@@philscomputerlab I've got a Dell Dimension 8200 with a 2ghz Northwood P4 that I got from my uncle about 2 years ago, he got it when the machine originally came out. I threw Win Me on it, an ELSA GLADIAC ULTRA, 512mb pc800 rdram and an SB Live. Slick machine.
For even more ultimate, mod the bios with an older microcode (up to version 7 if I recall correctly) and you can run all cores at the max turbo of 4 GHz. Overclock the base clock a little and you can run it at 4.1 easily ;)
A quick correction /note here. This isn't as far as XP will go. You can run XP on 4790K's (I'm doing it on my own retro XP machine with all cores/threads enabled and zero problems) as well as on - ALL - 9xx series Nvidia cards. Although beyond the 960 series cards you have to modify the .inf files otherwise you will get a "no card detected" error but it can be done. You can even run Titan X cards with XP so long as you're willing to modify the .inf files. I'm running a 4790K with a 4 gig Nvidia 960 SSC and I'm exceeding 1300 FPS at 1920 x 1200 resolution in some games...
Also a quick note too about Quake 4; it will use up to 4 threads actively throughout game play (I've seen it on my own system). So while it's running fine on your system with only 2 threads enabled, it'll use up to 4. The engine it was built off of is more modern then I think a lot of people realize.
Getting a GTX 780TI might also be a good idea since it still has official XP drivers, it's more powerful than a GTX 960 and has 3 GB of VRAM, not bad. Of course the "best" ones would be one of the Titan cards with XP support.
@@tudormihaialexandru3038 But let's say you have 4 GB of system RAM, and then put a 3 GB of GPU card in your system, then you have only 1 GB free for system? (32-bit 4 GB-limit)
Hiw did you install windows xp i got z87 msi and asus mini itx motherboards with i5 4690k i cant install
But wait, there's more!
There are quadro cards with the same die as the titan,but the vram goes up to 24gb. Maybe not particularly more useful,but imagine running windows XP with as much vram as a modern 90-class titan equivalent a decade later.
The source code of XP got leaked in 2020 and people have managed to compile their own drivers for a bunch of modern cpus and supporting hardware, just not graphics cards. I saw a post from two weeks ago of a guy running XP on his Ryzen 7900X, with 32gb of ram and NVME drive all with fully functioning drivers.
@@semihgursucertain motherboards don’t have XP drivers
And... He did what I've wished! Thanks PhilsComputerLab! Have My Love and Like!
I can see someone nostalgic building something like this in 10 to 5 years from now, cuz he/she would like to play these games as he/she remembers or would like to have played back then, just like people do nowadays with those win 98 computers...
This, I really like coming back here and see a new super high end XP gaming system. Keep it up Phill
Considering you disabled 2 cores and hyperthreading, it might actually make more sense to go for a G3258 though - far cheaper and overclockable
@Green Mamba Games totally agree
it would be less gay.
since you brought up audio capture, what sound card do you use to capture optical audio? I've been looking for one for a while
Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium range have optical input! There are also various USB sound card that have this feature.
Another GREAT build. I like the fact that the board takes more modern components so that by running a program like Virtual Box you could set up both XP and Windows 10 in virtual machines. I might be missing something though. Where can you get XP? Also, do you already have the games, or do you download them from a website? This may be a stupid question, but I honestly don't know the answers. Thanks
I am upgrading to Ryzen soon. My haswell 4690k and used GTX 960 are for my next retro XP machine. I am excited for Ryzen, but I am honestly more excited for my retro machine XD. Very informative and helfpul video, thank you!
This is as good as it gets for a Windows XP machine, coincidentally the GTX 960 is the last generation that supports analogue video output so you can hook it up to a nice CRT.
Oh yes, that would have been nice using a CRT :D
You can always use hdmi to vga adapters, plus they are very cheap nowdays.
I'm using a 1660 Ti with HDMI to VGA display converter, with cheap LG 1080P monitor, I tried to turn on my old CRT to play Crysis on it using the display converter but is dead, pressing the power buttom and nothing happend
@@DualPerformance Try lower resolution on your pc before you plug it to CRT. Set it to 800x600 and slowly work to higher resolution afterwards on your CRT monitor.Keep me updated.
@@someboringperson9359 does not work even at 640x480, the monitor has been unused by at least 17 years, was working good back in 2003, I think that some capacitors inside the monitor must be replaced because they dried itselft due to never be power on all those years (sorry for bad english)
Haswells are holding value because of the availability of boards and memory. They are the last DDR3 CPUs that work relatively well with current software. You can almost muddle through with a Vishera or a Sandy/Ivy, but if you want to get use out of a DDR3 kit with a well made and affordable motherboard, Haswell is the best option.
IMO the full EAX experience needs a good 5.1 surround sound system. Headphones just don't do it for me.
So did you disable HT for performance or compatibility reasons? I also wonder the same regarding the disabling of CPU cores.
And what about the full RGB colorrange over HDMI on Nvidia GPUs. Does it also default to limited color range in the Windows XP drivers? You could've mentioned those things in the video, which was otherwise a very good one. Thanks for making it!
armorgeddon he did for both better compatibility and performance with the games as well as with XP. Personally, I just use a quad core and turn off nothing, but that’s just me
Multicore and HT compatiblity with XP itself should be perfectly fine. Regarding games it depends on the game, mostly how older the game is. I wonder if disabling cores on a CPU like this would improve boost clock speeds on the remaining cores. I'd still like to hear from Phil was his view is on the subject.
Modern(kinda) PC for XP "Retro-Gaming" Nice one! That rig can be used for modern "Win 10" gaming as well. Perfect for Dual Partition-boot. Can run all modern titles pretty good - though not a the high settings.
What I like about Haswell, is the extremely low idle/desktop power consumption. Only dislike is the temperatures. Bad workmanship on the die/ihs assembly and the integrated memory voltage regulator is not the best combo. But this lower power S-model used here, should not experience very high temps. (should stay below or around 80c - under stresstest)
My choice for going with an Ivy Bridge over Haswell has to do with the Intel USB 3.0 controller not having proper drivers. A fast external hard drive is nice for transferring games and leaving XP offline. Good video Phil.
There are usb 3.0 windows xp drivers for ivy bridge?
@@unrealdevon yeah I can vouch that usb 3.0 is supported in ivy bridge
me: *is working on a Windows XP pc for months.*
PhilsComputerLab:
You know it's an Overkill system when changing the resolution to 1600X1200 actually brings UP the framerate by 3! (Far Cry)
My old daily runner was a i5-4690 and a EVGA sc GTX 960 4gb. Good to see it still runs old titles so well.
Still a decent rig for newish titles too
The cartoonish but clear and sharp look of video games from that era still somehow seem to be much more immersive compared to the bling and bloom nowadays
Yes, you can actually see everything clearly.
No vaseline TAA
This is a pretty extreme system, awesome. My Xp systems are 2.5Ghz and 3.33Ghz core2duo and gtx 950s. Pretty awesome performance with those too.
Your channel is really underrated.
Thanks!
What a great video, I would love to have seen some "older" games, like Quake 1,2, 3 and the unreal games (including Tournament) on that system. Cause it would be awesome to see how many FPS these games would be running at, but other than that. Your videos are smashing great :-) keep up the good work :-)
I can for sure make that happen in future videos :D
Quake 3 benchmark is capped at 1000fps due using of windows standart timer, in quakeworld ezquake you,ll better cap the fps to 1155 or 1001, if you don't the videocard would make a high frequency noise, but this system should go higher than 2500 fps for sure.
Retro?
Im still running that setup lol
But with a 1070ti
it's not really retro ;)
Same here and double the ram :)
Similar rig here - i7-4790 and GTX1060
@@detalite and me i have 1060 6gig
And i plan to upg rade to i7 4790 k
I also have 16 gigs ram ddr3 1600mhz
And here I am with an intel2 quad core q9550 I got with my pc for free. Only thing I spent on it was $20aud and that was for a gtx560 that normally goes $40-$45aud second hand...
Not a big retro gamer but do enjoy these videos. They take me back.
Ultimate XP supported hardware I guess would be a 4790k OC to 5ghz with a 980Ti or Titan, I’m just not sure what XP only game would warrant that build? Desktop would be hella snappy though lol 😆
This is actually a really fun idea for a retro XP Gaming PC. There are a lot of games I love from that era and I just happen to have an i5 4590 sitting around and an R9 270X which happens to be AMD's last GPU with XP support. I just don't have a sound card... well, I do, but it is an Audigy 2 ZS Platinum, and the motherboard I have doesn't have a PCI slot.
This is pretty neat Phil, I did an ultimate Windows XP pc with a 4790k and Titan X maxwell once on my channel ages ago, it was insane, but I think your choice of gtx 960 makes more sense, and your board has better support for xp than my asus Maximus vii z97 board, I’m just waiting for you to figure out how to use m.2 ssds with modded vintage OSes
On a side note, I found drivers for the gtx 970 on Nvidia website, the 980/980 ti I couldn’t find one for though
Oh really, so the 970 also has drivers? Bugger I didn't know this.
@@philscomputerlab yes, I did a video showcasing two different XP systems that I currently have dualbooting OSes, one was like the $420 xp build that has a gtx 970 and 3770 in it, just a modded dell optiplex basically, the other one is like my $700 dollar one that has a 1tb ssd and titan x, XP doesn't officially support Titan X BUT, there is a vista driver for the Titan X Maxwell, so, I was able to install it in XP, you can also inf mod the latest installer for the 970 in XP to support Titan X maxwell 12gb, and in XP it actually does show the card as a titan x maxwell with 12gb of vram, I don't think that 32 bit XP can actually utilize all of the vram, but, it works as well. I did some testing using z97 with the titan x and xp and it was getting some rather absurd fps on crysis, enough to justify using a 1440p display or a 144hz+ one on games from the end of the XP era. I did also even get some things to run in 4K within xp, but I found that the 970 wasn't enough firepower for crysis in 4k ultra, hence why I did the titan x xp build, I did some benchmarks, but not as thoroughly as you do, it is interesting.
@@philscomputerlab just to aid you further, here is a link to the sets of drivers confirmed working in XP for 970/980, when i tried to use this for 980 TI/Titan X maxwell, I believe I forced it to install in device manager, I did something funky and it somehow worked without an inf mod, but the inf mod guarantees it to work on any board.
us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/344.11/344.11-desktop-winxp-32bit-english.exe
here is the link to the driver that nvidia hosts on their site that works,
and here is the link to the later version of the xp driver that has an inf mod if you want to see what has to be done to mod later XP drivers instead of brute force installing them like I do.
mega.nz/#!KcwXDQIb!G_KVexc_yfK0Cnawiwms_KIWevdtpuj02GdcDxdJh4M
@@philscomputerlab us.download.nvidia.com/windows/344.11/344.11-desktop-winxp-32bit-english.exe nvidia hid this driver from the public after they dropped xp support, but its still hosted on nvidias website, this works on 970/980 officially.
980 ti and titan x maxwell can be forced to work with it too but I think i did some trick with device manager forcing the driver, but an inf mod (just adding titan x to be in the list) can also be used to make the driver install instead of brute force.
hopefully this leads to a 4k gaming/240hz windows xp experiment
Great build. Please do more videos on the WYSE mini PC. I recently got one and runs XP like a dream!
Superb video!
A Haswell platform for Windows XP feels a little strange (it’s not exactly period correct) BUT it’s technically fully XP compatible so 🤷🏻♂️
However, if you’re going to disable two cores...how about using a G3258 instead? You can easily get one of those past 4GHz by only adjusting the multiplier.
Edit: Nearly forgot to thank Phil for the snappy drivers recommendation, it’s absolutely saved my ass!
Yea simply because that's the CPU I have at hand! A fast dual core would make more sense, agreed :)
PhilsComputerLab, I don’t think anyone would complain if you made a follow up video!
I have a g3260 for my retro xp pc, works great
Hey, Phil. I know that this is an old vid, but I found the Asus B85M-G has full WinXP driver support still on Asus's site. It'll still cramp the gpu fans but get a case that will mount a fan on the side over that spot to force air in between the gpu and sound card and it's a much simpler install.
I think one of two cpus would also be appropriate and worth revisiting later for a video. One is any of the Kaveri or later FM2+ APUs from AMD. They have built-in graphics that should run quite well without the extra expense and hassle of buying another graphics card.
The other cpu is the Intel Pentium G3258. They're stupidly cheap, and they overclock like crazy. For the anniversary of the Pentium, Intel released these chips as the last overclockable Pentiums you can buy (for now, who know about later on). I think it would be really appropriate that you run games on such a fast Pentium.
Also, a really good game to run in XP for graphics and sound (even if it doesn't push hardware) is Bioshock. It has a wonderful art style, and it was one of the last games to support EAX with EAX v5.0.
I have the Anniversary Pentium, but no Z chipset motherboard for overclocking. I plan on doing more APU videos, so stay tuned! Still got to find some really fast DDR3 RAM to do it justice.
Great Video Phil. Do you use 32 or 64bit version of Windows XP? Cheers
32 Bit!
that is a fast one! if you want another heavy XP era game, try CMR Dirt (2007) on ultra settings, it makes my HD 7850/C2Q work hard (also it's very heavy for core2s on the game mode with multiple cars), the 960/i7 might be a lot better with it,
Yeah, CMR Dirt, I used to load that up on systems that should easily have run it but seemed to stutter badly, especially AMD systems, only system it ran fine on for me was a 1366 i7 920
Yes, Dirt stutter a lot...
Lol, this is great, I had upgraded my friend's i3 to this i7 4790 cuz he has a Haswell motherboard and could not afford a full platform upgrade, he is already commenting how snappier his system is. And he is still rocking a EVGA GTX960-2G SSC from 2015 cuz HE IS a retro gamer mostly ;)
Ah the day has come the i7 is now defined
as retro :D
Great vid bro
I want an i7 4790K but they're still off the wall expensive. I just looked before I watched this video.
Yeah, i have an i3 4150 in main pc, and a c2q 9200 sitting in storage for an "ultimate" win xp rig. To me its about period correct hardware, with native support. Going over, you are into the same as with later software. It might work, it might not, or with hidden issues and bugs. Better to keep it native, and only deal with period accurate issues accordingly. PC gaming is such a bitch, with so much false and shitty advice flooding the internet. Mouse control especially is such a pain with usb mices using that 500-1000hz hack too by default. Shit really fucks with many older games
@@lopwidth7343 I never realized how subjective mice can be until I got a Razer DeathAdder. I really had to mess with settings before I got it where I could use it. Turns out I am not a big fan of high DPI.
Is there an actual benefit of running old games on Windows XP as opposed to running them on Windows 7 or even Windows 10? I understand the nostalgic value of having Windows XP running on bare metal hardware, I'm just wondering if it has any practical, upsides as well in terms of gaming performance.
Compatibility is the big one. Under XP everything just works.
Maybe you could benchmark that system as you have it now and then put windows 10 on it and run the benchmarks again? The main use case for XP retro pc in my eyes is to run games that won't run on windows 10. However you said that this setup may run games faster under XP. I'd like to see if there is a difference.
Great vid as usual.. that 38W idle is so nice but ofc HT is disabled and 2 cores so hmm
Also Farcry is SO nice.. I remember though that I never finished it as I never wanted to leave the glorious beach to go in some industrial cave..
Far Cry at 1600x1200 looks so damn nice...
Far better than my current system 😭
I feel you man.... my dailydriver laptop has an i7-4xxx something , 16GB RAM, and a GTX860m ....
My work laptop sports a 6th-gen i7 , but only has built-in Intel graphics ...
@@TheRetroRaven laptop amd A10 series apu here...
I have even worse system
Cpu i5 4460
Gtx 1060 6gb msi gaming
Ram 16 ddr3 1600
@Gaming York it cant run cryisis
Lol. You guys think y'all have bad PCs?? I have a beauty laying on top of a shelf collecting dust.
Celeron 700MHz
64MB SDRAM (I think)
Motherboard Graphics
Generic Soundcard
Win98
I'd love to have a windows xp with this specs haha , currently using a 771@775 Xeon, greetings from Brazil, your videos are awesome! Thanks for all your videos @PhilsComputerLab
Oh you got modded 775? There is a E8700 Dual Core equivalent Xeon with 3.5 GHz. It's wonderful for Windows XP Retro PC Gaming...
@@philscomputerlab a long time ago i bought a cheap l5420 modded to fit in 775 for a project that i never did, last december i earn an asus p5b premium and i found a modded bios to use it, now i'm using it for a proxmox host at home
from this friend i earned a m2n32-sli deluxe wifi (and the wifi died) with an athlon single core 3500, and i got a phenom II 945 for this setup, and i found a guy with a dead m2n32-sli deluxe wifi in the box that said, pay the shipment and the motherbord and the box and all stuff is your, than i will get the onboard wifi from her :D
@@marianistefanoj Xeon X5270 is that E8700 equivalent. The E8700 I believe never got release, only the E8600. So the Xeon X5270 is the fastest Dual Core Core 2 Duo :)
@@philscomputerlab this is what i currently have here
Mom's Pc
E8400/ P5K-SE/ 1x2Gb XMS2 800Mhz/ 1x250Gb Samsung/ GT 730 (haha better than my ones)/ 600w PSU since 2008 when she bought the pc for me (i killed some parts a lot of time ago, and and i made it work again and i gave her this computer)
And technically since december 2019
('Proxmox')
L5420/ P5B Premium/ 4x2Gb DDR2/ IDE 80Gb (proxmox) + Sata II 160 + 320 + Patriot Burst 240Gb (SSD W7)/ Zotac 630 Synergy (yeah bad)/ OEM PSU (needed to be replaced)
('NAS')
E4600/ P5KPL EPU/ 2x2Gb 667 Generic/ 20Gb IDE (OMV) + 2x250Gb + 1x 500Gb + 2x 1Tb Sata II/ Geforce 8400Gs/ OEM PSU
Phenom II 945/ M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wifi/ 4x1 Gb DDR2/ Patriot Burst 240/ No PSU + No VGA
Athlon XP 2200/ 2x 512Mb DDR/ Abit NF7-S2G/ 2x 40Gb IDE + 1x 80Gb IDE/ Leadtek FX5200/ OEM PSU (was since 2012 without use)
There are too E5300/E3400/ Athlon II 260/Athlon 3500/Sempron 140/ Athlon XP 2800/3000, one i7 920 (no motherboard to test and x58 still so expensive, much more in brazil)
I need some stuff yet but i'm working on it, and technically here is the house of 775 , my hardware stuff still in 2008 here XD but i love this stuff
that snappy driver is really saving the trouble of searching for drivers of old devices
Hell it can even install drivers of latest hardware no issue
One hell of a installer
Yea it's funny, I tried so many commercial driver installers, and then someone told me about this one, and it's free!
I’ve been using snappy religiously but finally ran into the first time it did not have a driver for me. It was for a pci to pci host bridge when I installed a pci x1300 GPU
@@mesterak I tried finding a snappy driver executable but the one I found was from the driverpacks website (drp.su), and I feel like I didn't download and use what everyone else is using.
Cause, when I ran it on my PC nothing happened haha, I guess I just don't know how to use it. Could you throw me the snappy driver installer?
Ahnaf Abdullah you should only download it from here sdi-tool.org/
"GTX 780 Ti" is also officially supported by XP.
Bit faster than 960, it's closer to 970, but needs more power (250W vs 120) and not easy to find.
Of course You don't need that for games of that era, but it is still an option.
Wouldn't a 780ti be more powerful? I also checked they still have drivers. I know 300fps is massive but you said Ultimate which I would assume super overkill.
He didn't even get the K SKU and overclock it...
@@agdgdgwngo That motherboard technically doesn't have XP support. But it obliviously works. So many questions Phil!
980Ti works fine in WindowsXP with little hack inf file
Diese Fenster und dieses Design von XP. Nostalgie pur.
I just remembered. If you wanted a CPU that would be ever more suited for the "ultimate" title, make use of the K variant of the 4790. Just disable the hyperthreading and you could push it to 4GHz.
socket 2011 (x79) works too with xp and there you can use 6 core cpus like the 4930k
Just 4Ghz? With a good cooler you could easily push it to 4.6Ghz. Now THAT'S ultimate
@@talvisota327or the 8 core extra cache well binned e5-1680 v2
I have a GTX 960 2gb, same Gigabyte Windforce edition. Before i ran it with i5 3470 and it was awesome, but now upgraded to Ryzen 7 2700, just upgrading slowly, I know I need better GPU for this CPU but, GTX 960 still goes through a lot of new games really good.
You forgot a bios battery :)
Phil this video here is so helpful to all that follow you. I wanted for to know what the best Windows XP machine would be and well that is still supported and so you have just made shopping for parts easy. I keep looking on Aliexpress for good deals and with this here helpful video with a combination of parts locally and from Aliexpress guaranteed in the future I will have a somewhat more modern and easier pc to deal with for XP gaming. Thanks for this video. So far 2 for 2 on great videos by n=my favorite pc UA-camrs this weekend. Nice to relax after a long day and watch another good video by you. Also really appreciate you doing these non spastic, sponsor filled videos. Yes you mention one in every video but you don't annoy your following with it. Heck I never even heard of Aliexpress until I watched your videos. Thanks for giving others and I options to look at for pc hardware. They got that free shipping to Canada so I love that. : ) Have a good weekend.
Like to see a comparison with a fast i3 being as you turned this into a dual-core, there way cheaper
Athlon 3000
the olive xp skin is my favorite, its so pretty.
If i7 4th gen is considered retro, then I'm hella old😂
Yea it's still quite usable!
Hey Phil - wondering if you've dabbled in any 4k monitors to test the clarity of lower resolutions for retro games? I like the idea of the 1920x1200 monitor but lower resolutions like 320x200 and 640x480 still look a bit weird on my 1080p screeen and i've been a bit curious about how it could look given a better pixel density at the same sizes? Thanks!
Can we get 4k Crysis?
Having at least 4 cores and running at 5GHz, you'll have a good enough experience.
@waffeltek Racism...
For Windows XP, the R9 280X can be installed as a R9 200 Series along with the inf mod for GTX 970/980/980Ti , Titan X, and the Quadro M2000, M4000, M5000, and M6000, all of which make great for dual booting.
I have a Quadro M6000, so you just need to edit inf of 960 drivers?
A little overpowered for xp, but hey "it just works!" 😛
Bloody hell! That system is better than my current setup!
in b4 all the comments from people saying this system is better than theirs 🤣
My system is better than this.
Even my HTPC is better than this.
@@MarcoGPUtuber Same here
In some ways it is. In some it isn't.
@@tobiaspedersen5427 meh someday I'll have an i7 4790K. When the prices drop. AMD Ryzen 7 2700X is cheaper today with twice the cores and faster clocks.
My dream build right now always want to go back to xp
Fantastic Project! My PC for XP is: P4 EE 965@4.5GHz, P5N32-SLI, GTX8800. May be next time Ultimate Machine for Win7?
4.5Ghz? Curses :P My P4 only runs at 4.23. My 9800GT is probably overkill ;)
@@SiggyPony My p4 641 can run at 5 ghz with only air cooling
@@talvisota327 Mine is a P4 670 but water cooled. I duno if it could be air cooled, I never tried. What stopped me going higher was always motherboard instability issues as oppose to the CPU itself
@@SiggyPony which board do you have?
@@talvisota327 Currently an ASUS P5Q SE/R I have another board I want to try eventually that has SLI but its currently in storage. I duno if it'll be faster though seen as its a DDR board. This one is DDR2. If I remember it gets somewhere around 650ish passmark
Really nice.
Looks responsive and fast, really nice!
Do an ultimate windows 98 with the last parts supported win 98 parts and one for a 486 and also is this on 32 or 64 bit win xp?
He already did that with a core2extreme on one of the 775 boards that have agp + 6800 ultra I believe
Lately I've been considering a highly-efficient XP build that can also run modern games, and one of the most efficient motherboards out there supports Haswell CPUs and up to one PCI card!
However, I'm still deciding between the i7-4790S and the i7-4790T, and between the GTX 960 4GB and the GTX 950 75W.
If my estimates are correct, my power consumption should hover around 150 - 200 watts-probably even less-depending on the chosen hardware and the software settings, which can compensate for the immense power consumption of a CRT monitor, if I get one later on.
What are your thoughts on this?
Use V-Sync to keep check on power consumption. Such a machine renders 100s of frames a second and locking to V-Sync will greatly save power.
@@philscomputerlab Hmm, I could use syncing for a supported LCD or OLED monitor, but how would I get this to work on a CRT, if necessary?
@@greatwavefan397 Turn on V-Sync in driver or game.
@@philscomputerlab Oh neat! So it should be as simple as that, regardless the display type :D
Windows XP forever!
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I actually wanted to build one myself. But I got a good price offer with i5 3570k, 4GB 1600 Ram and a cheap GTX780 with 3 GB for 20 euros... I don't think there is a big difference anymore. I took an old gray ATX box from 1998 as a case and mounted an RGB fan on the front and rear as a little embellishment. The RGB effects shine through the ventilation slots of the old tower.
actually this setup can run nowadays games ^^
Why did you have to disable Hyper Threading and 2 cores? Does windows XP not support 4 cores and hyper threading?
For gaming it can cause troubles. Most recently I'm just using a single core.
WEll there we go - retro PCs are starting to have cpus about 4 times as powerful as my main rig, lol
I picked up a Dell XPS 8700 that had a i7 4790 and everything else, I picked it up for $4 bucks at an Auction that had mostly tools and other old house hold stuff with a bunch of older people, they didn't know anything about the system. I'm just glad it was dusty as all hell, if it was shiny or I'm sure some 110 year old man would of bid me up. That system is currently running a GTX 1660 (I bought off amazon) and it games and keeps up really well today.
Retro gaming uses a better pc than i have
Maybe I should rename my listing for an office PC to Windows XP gaming machine instead...
Also I have a question or two.
if the CPU is already a dual core (my case its the G3258), can I just skip the disabling of cores?
Also, is it better to remove 4GB, or go for dual channel power by keeping the other 4GB of RAM?
"Let's build an all black motherboard."
*Sticks white SATA ports on it*
"Looks good to me."
It's much more practical color coding connectors. This is also a professional mainboard not some gimmicky gaming board.
Hey Phil, how were you able to get Haswell to play nice with Windows XP?
i just finished building your other windows xp system and then this video comes up -_-
Do you still recommend SDI or do you prefer SDIO now? (Snappy Driver Installer or Origin)
Bit overkill for an XP retro machine lol
Crysis entered the chat 😅
You know, Haswell's revised S versions were pretty sick. My old i5-4690s, due to the instruction set, was on par with the ipc of a stock clocked 4690k. The i7-4790s is typically cheaper and slightly better than the 4790, while having an even smaller thermal envelope and lower power consumption.
What are your thoughts on the T-series versions?
@@greatwavefan397 can't say for Haswell because I never used the Haswell variant, and I haven't read any such thing on them. However, I have used the 2500T and despite being two generations prior, for a purely streaming based entertainment type linux daily driver for web browsing, it's actually not bad when paired with a cheapo dedicated GPU like a GT 730 though I used a 1030 since I had it. And those chips are super cheap
Retro gaming? That's a decent current 1080p gaming PC.
Yeah, I'm building one for both XP retro gaming and modern Win10/Linux use.
It seems that like a bunch of the other commenters, my main PC would fit the bill as well. I know I have a 4th gen i7 in there, but I don't recall if it's the 4790K off the top of my head. The 960 is even newer than my Kepler Titan I have in there! Good to know when I finally upgrade I have good use for my existing parts!
The Nvidia drivers used in the video (the very last one that supports Win XP) supports the Titan as well. The GTX 960 was the newer card, but the Titan should be much, much more powerful than it. Wonder if there would be any difference using it rather than the 960.
You can run AAA titles on this system
Yep.
It struggles on some recent stuff (no oc or ht)
Fantastic setup. Curious if there are any issues running older games with 16 bit installers on this type of build. Is there any reason to scale back to older hardware if you're looking to run games from the late 90's to early 2000's or could this do it all?
3:10 For those of you who want the answer.
Thanks, now I know an i7 4790 will work for windows xp so I can install some old drivers on my sleeper pc and then upgrade to 10
Wow so my system is basically a Retro xp system 😂 i have the same gpu and an i5 4690 😂
Erik Britz Your system and his system isn’t retro. He’s using newer hardware to run a retro operating system. If you put a 1970s motor in a 2020 car, it doesn’t make that car retro.
You show what i can build for all my old bunch of game copy i have Thank You so.much Phill 😄😄😄
Thank you for this great video.
For those interested, you can get the Geforce 970 to 980ti/Titan X Maxwell to work under XP with a slight tweak, here's a link to do so: mattpilz.com/windows-xp-drivers-nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-980-980-ti-titan-x/
Confirmed to work on my Ivy Bridge + 980ti system.
Totally works, i used it for 980.
I think it's pretty awesome and as long as you're happy that's all that really matters even though I own a paste PlayStation 4 + 3 I still love my old retro games looking back it really shows you how far we've come and there's a really a lot of retro goodness out of Windows XP
With my i5-4440 i guess I should call my config retro, oops :D
Them i7 Haswells are still too rich for my blood too. For what they cost I'd be better off with a new motherboard. But not right now.
Yeah get a Gigabyte H310 and a i5-9600 you'll be in a whole new world
Windows XP is retro.. not the hardware.
@waffeltek ?
This system would probably even give a pretty good desktop experience in Windows 10, maybe not so much for modern AAA games, but it'd certainly be fine for web, email, youtube, etc. More casual games like Minecraft or Fortnite would probably be fine though, so it would definitely suit as a shared family computer for kids to play around and do their homework.
Anyway, I'd also be interested to see what the equivalent AMD system would be.