Marcos Zottas we gave you puppa and andreychuk and puppa for grant fuhr not bad leafs sabres had hasek andreychuk could have been that player to get us over some humps in the future
Matt's Sundin, Garth Butcher, Todd Warriner and round 1 pick in the 1994 draft (Nolan Baumgartner) to Toronto Maple Leafs for Wendel Clark, Sylvain Lefebvre, Landon Wilson and round 1 pick in the 1994 draft (Jeff Kealty)
I remember the editorial cartoon of Riser talking on the phone to Fletcher..."Fleury for Halkidis"...and the carnival hook about to wrap about Riser's neck!
All of us "amateur fans" in Calgary knew it was a terrible deal, the guys "paid" to know thought it was a good deal. I think perhaps the Flames owners wanted to unload some salary. The Flames tried to cheap out on Gilmours next contract.
Nah Hockey Joe, it was best to wait until 1991-92 when Gilmour was still being a locker room malcontent. That was the reason why he got traded away from the St. Louis Blues and the Calgary Flames, well with the Blues, Gilmour threw his babysitter into a massive pile of dog shit. That's strike one as to why Gilmour got sent away from the Blues. And with the Flames, Gilmour was more of a contractual holdout who although he won a Stanley Cup ring with the Flames in 1989, he was a toxic locker room influence that needed to be cut out of the Flames locker room, and so he burned bridges with the Flames. And after being dealt to the Toronto Maple Leafs during '91-'92, it was in Toronto that Gilmour really grew up in terms of maturity as a player and as a person, when Gilmour really shed the malcontent label that stuck with him in St. Louis and Calgary in favor of becoming a hard working tough leader in the same mold as Wendel Clark who both gave 110% on the ice. Gilmour even became a proper family man while in Toronto. And even when Toronto fell off the map in '96-'97, Gilmour was more cordial and amicable about being traded this time. He even wanted to be near his family, while playing for a United States team that's closer to Ontario in terms of proximity, so he gets sent to the New Jersey Devils where he surprisingly fit in very well with the defensive-minded gameplay style of the Devils. After New Jersey, Gilmour became a journeyman who bounced around the NHL between the lowly Chicago Blackhawks, the Buffalo Sabres, the Montreal Canadiens and a second-but-short lived tenure with the Toronto Maple Leafs that lasted just one game and only one shift when he went down with a career-ending Torn ACL knee injury that basically ended his NHL career and factored in John Ferguson's refusal to keep Gilmour on the team for another season in 2003-04 had he avoided the knee injury that ended his playing career. Long story short, the Leafs were right to wait until the trade actually happened. If Gilmour got traded to Toronto earlier than when it actually happened, he would never have grown up and he'd still be the same malcontent he was in St. Louis and Calgary. In fact, he would've worn out his welcome in Toronto just like his last two stops. So thankfully he stopped being an attitude problem by the time he landed in Toronto.
@@leafyutube Such an underrated player, as are a lot of D-men like him. Toronto's top 6 D of McCoun, Gill, Rouse, Lefevbre, Ellet and Mirinov were the best defensive core in the league at the time, even taking into account the living legends that were still playing then.
Of course,neither the Leafs nor the Flames made the playoffs that season.Although Toronto did make a push in the second half,Calgary were a huge disappointment pretty much all season and this would be the first time that the Flames would miss the playoffs since first relocating to Calgary.
The coming & going of Joey Mullen & Doug Gilmour marked the beginning and end of the golden era of the Flames. Both were rip-offs. Two Calgary rip-offs of St. Louis, first the Joey Mullen trade, then the Doug Gilmour trade, turned the Flames into legitimate Stanley Cup contenders. The trade of Gilmour to Toronto, and letting a still productive Mullen go to Pittsburgh (to win two more cups) ended that. Leeman was a bum with one fluke year in a defensively weak NHL. Risebrough was one lousy GM.
How was Leeman a bum with a fluke year? He scored 21, 30, 32(while missing nearly a quarter of the season), and 51 goals in consecutive years, the next season he was injured but on pace for 27 goals. He didn't do well in Calgary, who sent him to Montreal a year later, where he put up 18 points in 20 games. Although time shows Calgary took a fleecing in that deal, it seemed reasonable at the time. They got a young goalie who went 14-4-1 the next season, a 21 year old d-man who was already an NHL regular, Petit....well he was already showing some signs of slipping, an old 27 he was, and Berube was certainly never a star but he played another 11 years after the trade, just as long as Gilmour. So, they got some good looking prospects, got much younger, faster, and cheaper(very big part of the deal), happier because they were rid of a malcontent who obviously wouldn't have done as well as he did had he stayed in Calgary. Remember that, they didn't give up a 120 point guy,m they gave up an 80-90 point guy who just happened to produce more, not something that would reasonably be expected of a 28 year old, to have his best seasons ahead of him. Besides which, Nattress and Wamsley were both out of the NHL within a year, Macoun was solid but his best days were already behind him, and Manderville never scored more than 7 goals in a season. So, that deal really made more sense than the Mullen one did, that one was the real headscratcher sending a productive 33 year old first line player away for a second round pick, again about the money more than anything, although there was also a change for the sake of change feeling to some of it to, after they went from a cup to a 1st round elimination
“I owe him”. What a line by Dougy. I think he certainly lived up to his end of the bargain in Toronto.
Best trade in Leafs history by far
Marcos Zottas we gave you puppa and andreychuk and puppa for grant fuhr not bad leafs sabres had hasek andreychuk could have been that player to get us over some humps in the future
Matt's Sundin, Garth Butcher, Todd Warriner and round 1 pick in the 1994 draft (Nolan Baumgartner) to Toronto Maple Leafs for Wendel Clark, Sylvain Lefebvre, Landon Wilson and round 1 pick in the 1994 draft (Jeff Kealty)
Until 1994 Clark for Sundin
@@chriswoodsports Compare the amount of years Sundin was in Toronto to Gilmour and points. No comparison. Gilmour score more points per game.
@@chriswoodsports Plus we didn't have to give up our captain or anyone important to get Dougie
It's incredible how the media at the time did not immediately see this as one of the most lopsided trades in NHL history.
That's because back then, the media did what they're supposed to do... report on events. Now they try to shape events.
That's true, Gary Leemans game went right down the toilet.
This was the beginning of the end for the Flames. After this they dumped Macinnis, Fleury, Roberts, Suter, Niewy, Otto, etc.
"Greg Berube gives them something" LOL!
Toughness, I think he said.
I remember the editorial cartoon of Riser talking on the phone to Fletcher..."Fleury for Halkidis"...and the carnival hook about to wrap about Riser's neck!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
All of us "amateur fans" in Calgary knew it was a terrible deal, the guys "paid" to know thought it was a good deal. I think perhaps the Flames owners wanted to unload some salary. The Flames tried to cheap out on Gilmours next contract.
The trade that killed the Flames for the 90's..
Just noticed that Godynyuk was wearing 93 before Gilmour in Toronto.
+Jack Alakin Yes, and Gilmour was 39 in Calgary and Godynyuk took that number when he arrived. They basically swapped jerseys.
Wamsley and Nattress never really played. As for Calgary Leeman was in Montreal in 93 and Godyniuk never amounted to anything
Wamsley became on the leafs coachs a year later
It's now been 30 years.
32 years later:
One member of this trade is back on the team.
Gilmour was better than the 5 players combined Calgary received. 😂
best trade ever i loved it
The Flames got ripped HUGE.
Exactly 30 years ago.
To bad leafs didnt get gilmour two seasons earlier.they could have been the best team in the norris division
Nah Hockey Joe, it was best to wait until 1991-92 when Gilmour was still being a locker room malcontent. That was the reason why he got traded away from the St. Louis Blues and the Calgary Flames, well with the Blues, Gilmour threw his babysitter into a massive pile of dog shit. That's strike one as to why Gilmour got sent away from the Blues. And with the Flames, Gilmour was more of a contractual holdout who although he won a Stanley Cup ring with the Flames in 1989, he was a toxic locker room influence that needed to be cut out of the Flames locker room, and so he burned bridges with the Flames.
And after being dealt to the Toronto Maple Leafs during '91-'92, it was in Toronto that Gilmour really grew up in terms of maturity as a player and as a person, when Gilmour really shed the malcontent label that stuck with him in St. Louis and Calgary in favor of becoming a hard working tough leader in the same mold as Wendel Clark who both gave 110% on the ice. Gilmour even became a proper family man while in Toronto. And even when Toronto fell off the map in '96-'97, Gilmour was more cordial and amicable about being traded this time. He even wanted to be near his family, while playing for a United States team that's closer to Ontario in terms of proximity, so he gets sent to the New Jersey Devils where he surprisingly fit in very well with the defensive-minded gameplay style of the Devils.
After New Jersey, Gilmour became a journeyman who bounced around the NHL between the lowly Chicago Blackhawks, the Buffalo Sabres, the Montreal Canadiens and a second-but-short lived tenure with the Toronto Maple Leafs that lasted just one game and only one shift when he went down with a career-ending Torn ACL knee injury that basically ended his NHL career and factored in John Ferguson's refusal to keep Gilmour on the team for another season in 2003-04 had he avoided the knee injury that ended his playing career.
Long story short, the Leafs were right to wait until the trade actually happened. If Gilmour got traded to Toronto earlier than when it actually happened, he would never have grown up and he'd still be the same malcontent he was in St. Louis and Calgary. In fact, he would've worn out his welcome in Toronto just like his last two stops. So thankfully he stopped being an attitude problem by the time he landed in Toronto.
yeah him and Damphousse on a line together would have been powerful
Hmmm....who won this trade,I wonder?The Flames didn't have one player left at the end of the following season when Gary Leeman got traded to Montreal.
Its interesting seeing how this trade turned out after all these years..the leafs won this trade and the same with the one with Edmonton
Haha, Gilmour's is the only name that really MATTERED in the long-run.
Jamie McCoun also was an important defenseman for the Leafs in 93 and 94.
@@leafyutube Such an underrated player, as are a lot of D-men like him. Toronto's top 6 D of McCoun, Gill, Rouse, Lefevbre, Ellet and Mirinov were the best defensive core in the league at the time, even taking into account the living legends that were still playing then.
Of course,neither the Leafs nor the Flames made the playoffs that season.Although Toronto did make a push in the second half,Calgary were a huge disappointment pretty much all season and this would be the first time that the Flames would miss the playoffs since first relocating to Calgary.
Iafrated wasn't loosing any sleep over the trade
Moved Leeman because of reasons. Natress only played a few games as did Wasmley
What a steal.
Tom Watt got canned soon later I believe
Most lopsided trade win in Leafs history.
1 year later Leeman won the cup and dougie couldnt beat Wayne!
The coming & going of Joey Mullen & Doug Gilmour marked the beginning and end of the golden era of the Flames. Both were rip-offs. Two Calgary rip-offs of St. Louis, first the Joey Mullen trade, then the Doug Gilmour trade, turned the Flames into legitimate Stanley Cup contenders. The trade of Gilmour to Toronto, and letting a still productive Mullen go to Pittsburgh (to win two more cups) ended that. Leeman was a bum with one fluke year in a defensively weak NHL. Risebrough was one lousy GM.
How was Leeman a bum with a fluke year? He scored 21, 30, 32(while missing nearly a quarter of the season), and 51 goals in consecutive years, the next season he was injured but on pace for 27 goals. He didn't do well in Calgary, who sent him to Montreal a year later, where he put up 18 points in 20 games. Although time shows Calgary took a fleecing in that deal, it seemed reasonable at the time. They got a young goalie who went 14-4-1 the next season, a 21 year old d-man who was already an NHL regular, Petit....well he was already showing some signs of slipping, an old 27 he was, and Berube was certainly never a star but he played another 11 years after the trade, just as long as Gilmour. So, they got some good looking prospects, got much younger, faster, and cheaper(very big part of the deal), happier because they were rid of a malcontent who obviously wouldn't have done as well as he did had he stayed in Calgary. Remember that, they didn't give up a 120 point guy,m they gave up an 80-90 point guy who just happened to produce more, not something that would reasonably be expected of a 28 year old, to have his best seasons ahead of him. Besides which, Nattress and Wamsley were both out of the NHL within a year, Macoun was solid but his best days were already behind him, and Manderville never scored more than 7 goals in a season. So, that deal really made more sense than the Mullen one did, that one was the real headscratcher sending a productive 33 year old first line player away for a second round pick, again about the money more than anything, although there was also a change for the sake of change feeling to some of it to, after they went from a cup to a 1st round elimination
It didn't seem reasonable at the time, and people did consider it a fleecing at the time.
players wern't as generic when there getting interviewed back then .
Nowadays the players have been media coached so thoroughly to give the same boring canned answers.
Gary Leeman was the biggest bum in NHL history to ever score 50 goals.
LOL what a terrible trade for the Flames. Leeman was on the downside of his career and rest were 4th line 3rd paring players.
Xynos? What kind of name is that?
Likely Greek. She's now Nancy Newman, and works for the YES network.
Leafs stole this trade, and how many times in total have you been able to say that? Once?
Fletcher stole Gilmour for nothing really Leeman was washed up by then the rest were filler pieces.