This was a good film up to the point that it proclaimed that Turing killed himself because of homosexual persecution. This idea that he killed himself is completely disputed using modern day sciences, reasoning and probability. His death was accidental and gays should get over this fact!
@@DB-qw6xqReally? Just get over it? My guy even if his death was accidental, it does not excuse the persecution he faced for his sexual orientation, or the fact that in order to have the actual prison sentence he was given commuted, a sentence he received for the crime of being gay, he was forced to undergo chemical castration. This was the man that invented the device that could decrypt any encoded german communications in World War 2 far faster than any human had been able to, an ability which was crucial to the success of the allied nations, and not 7 years after the war ended he was arrested and chemically neutered. And your opinion to the gay community is "get over it?"
@@DB-qw6xqAh yes cause getting forcefully chemically castrated and having your entire life’s work buried just does wonders to one’s mental health Also love your use of “the gays” really shows exactly where you’re coming from with this
if he did do that, one can imagine he knew it was going to work. Bare in mind the revelation (in reality) was multiple words, not just "weather" and "hitler" but also the broadcast name CILLY, followed by "good morning" / "good afternoon", so in reality they had 6 words to go off on. As soon as Turning realised this after that chat, one can imagine his brain went "Its soo bloody obvious. Idiot!"
So, no credit to Gordon Welchman, and no credit to the Polish scientists who actually designed and crafted the first successful decryption machine for Enigma codes - and later passed the design to the British. True, Turing was a freakin' genius - so were Welchman, Rejewski, Różycki and Zygalski, and deserve as much credit in a movie about cracking Enigma.
Rejewski, Zygalski and Różycki.Polish mathematicians quite quick managed to reconstruct the system of operation of the Enigma rotors, changing the connections between the keys and the front launch levers. It was a key step in their work. Thanks to this, at the end of 1932 they managed to read the first German dispatch, encrypted with Enigma. After a few years, they were able to read almost all German dispatches. After the war, the French and the British did not want to remember who broke the secret of the German Enigma. General Bartland claimed that it was a joint success of the French and Poles. (This is what he concluded in his memoirs published in 1973). The British, on the other hand, had no qualms about ascribing all this success to themselves. They announced to the world that the cracking of the German Enigma was done by British cryptologists from the facility in Blatchley Park. The most important of them was to be Alan Turing. The role of Polish mathematicians has been reduced to an insignificant incident. And this is exactly what history has written. And this version is valid until today.
They'd be right to do so. The Poles did crack Enigma. They laid the groundwork for the Bletchley Park team to crack the much heavier guarded German Naval Enigma codes. These codes were believed impossible to crack.
And there is a difference (in this case) in being able to crack the code in a few days or cracking it in a few minutes/hours after every change. The english work was a significant leap at the least.
@@totherik91 The mechanism was the same - and it was discovered by the Poles. What you wrote is like "we should prise more the maker of the cart than the wheel, because the second is much more complex". Why do we celebrate Gutenberg for his work when today we have much more effective printing techniques?
@@PolskiModziarzyour comments and username show your hypocrisy. You want credit for what other people did just because you're the same nationality, you havent achieved anything yet you denigrate people who have
This was a good film up to the point that it proclaimed that Turing killed himself because of homosexual persecution. This idea that he killed himself is completely disputed using modern day sciences, reasoning and probability. His death was accidental and gays should get over this fact!
Not to burst your bubble but we have more geniuses now, not less. You might want to recall that these people were the highest valued mathematicians of their time and not really representative of the entire society... A lot of which in the 1940s couldn't even read or write.
You can burst my bubbles as much as you like. You are talking rubbish about the inter war educational system . The inventions of WW2 came from the Grammar School system- Penicillium. radar, proximity shell (which followed from previous), Merlin aero engine, Decca navigation system, jet engine and lots more. In the 60's there was a thing called the brain drain from the UK to the US. People were going into British universities better educated than Americans were coming out. There's always going to be illiterate / innumerate people who have an IQ below 83, The US forces cutoff@@Seviexe
In the 1960's, a PDP-8 could take 15 minutes do it a 4 rotor encrypt. Today, it takes an average laptop seconds to do the same, using the GPU as the processor using parallel computing. A 12 physical core Xeon running all 24 hyperthreaded cores, could smoke it, in real time.
...and then Turing realised the terrible truth that they could not use the information they had decoded to move convoys to safer routes or it would have given the game away.
Alan Turing's role in cracking the Enigma code was exeggareted in this movie. He only used the research of people who worked on it before him and finished the job. In fact, this has been historically proven, it was group of young Polish mathematicians and students who first discovered the way to crack into some parts of the code, but they had to stop their research as they found out they will be soon arrested and probably killed. While they all eventually were arrested and executed near the end of the war, one of them, who originally avoided the arrest but was arrested and executed later, somehow managed to smuggle the Enigma machine they had and all of their paperwork out of Poland and it eventually somehow made its way to Turing, who eventually finished the job.
This nation has a habit of betraying those who like professor Turing contribute to country needs especially in wartime thank you professor a shear mathematical genius This nation owes you a debt of gratitude 😊😊
yeah bloody shocking what happend to him after the war...atleast we've come to realize the error in our ways although that doesn't do much for him anymore...
"By 1979, long after the peak of the 1930s eugenics movement, California sterilized an estimated 20,000 people, deemed unfit to reproduce, without their consent." 1979
This is what happened to a man who was a cross word genius he was picked out and told if war breaks out when you get called up you tell the recruiting officer to ring this number of course he was laughed at but he insisted the office did ring and was told to tell the man where he had to go.
I know this was made for dramatic effect. Of course they knew all along that they would use commonly used phrases like "weather" and "heil hitler". Otherwise they would never be able to solve enigma because they would never know what they were looking for.
What they actually did in the end and was the problem for so long before them, was discovering something that was basically very simple - Enigma machine actually used the codes which basically did nothing but replace letters in normal words of the message with a certain different letter of the alphabet. Therefore, some of those random letters kept repeating as in normal words same letters also very often repeat. The reason it took so long to crack the code, even though solution was right there the whole time, was the fact that they didn't know which letter replaced which other letter. That was solved eventually when a codebook was discovered and it helped Turing crack the code. It was not some higher up mathematics. It was just simple case of not having a codebook for so long. Without a codebook, there was no way they would ever manage to crack it.
Hello, Ms Knightley. Got Christopher Steele figured out. Matt Siemens, half-brother to Aaron Siemens, who also worked in 2006 at the Alpenstube restaurant. Currently stars in the show Suits. Melody Macready is implicated in my opinion. She knows Myra Donnelly very well.
Steele is a dupe, the real Steele is dead Eight crowns hath the uncrowned king The ninth is the blockchain, tenth the election Trans is a false flag You are looking in all the wrong places
As a film depicting the real facts behind the breaking of Enigma,it's pretty bloody poor. If one reads the real history of the breaking of the Enigma cipher,one will see what utter nonsense is depicted in many parts of the film. Try visiting Bletchley Park and immerse yourself in what is depicted in stunning displays,as a starter to reading up the real story of Station X and the incredible feats it achieved and not just by Alan Turing!
What an amateur mistake to make that young actor ask "did it work?" once the machine comes to a stop. Well you have been working with the group for a while now didn't you? Shouldn't you by now know that it is just giving you the settings that has to be tested with a sample message? Asking "did it work?" like a kid who has no idea what on earth is going on :D
@@MM-NolascoPHOne tiny thing to note: they had broken the Enigma MOSTLY.. The problem was the information was stale by the time they found out what was in the messages. The issue was never solved until Turing joined the Bletchley Park team. The huge machine is the Bomb, the world's first real programmable computer. The honor does NOT go to ENIAC. The Bomb uses wheels to quickly run through every possible setting the Enigma can produce. Each wheel stopped once it was narrowed down to the last possible letter. Doing it all by hand was too tedious. This is why Turing realized they would have to break new ground with the world's first ever programmable computer.
This was a good film up to the point that it proclaimed that Turing killed himself because of homosexual persecution. This idea that he killed himself is completely disputed using modern day sciences, reasoning and probability. His death was accidental and gays should get over this fact!
To say with certainty that his death was accidental goes against everything else you're saying. Yes, the circumstances of his death are unknown (it could have been suicide or accidental, we'll never know), but that doesn't change the fact that he was treated diabolically by the government both before and after his death, and NOBODY should get over this fact or ever forget it.
Never has the film "proclaimed that Turing killed himself because of homosexual persecution". It said: "After a year of government-mandated hormonal therapy, Alan Turing committed suicide on June 7th, 1954.", which is a fact. So I don't where you got that from.
Shocking how this genius man was treated.
This was a good film up to the point that it proclaimed that Turing killed himself because of homosexual persecution. This idea that he killed himself is completely disputed using modern day sciences, reasoning and probability. His death was accidental and gays should get over this fact!
Your ignorance is showing mate. @@DB-qw6xq
My thoughts exactly.
@@DB-qw6xqReally? Just get over it? My guy even if his death was accidental, it does not excuse the persecution he faced for his sexual orientation, or the fact that in order to have the actual prison sentence he was given commuted, a sentence he received for the crime of being gay, he was forced to undergo chemical castration.
This was the man that invented the device that could decrypt any encoded german communications in World War 2 far faster than any human had been able to, an ability which was crucial to the success of the allied nations, and not 7 years after the war ended he was arrested and chemically neutered. And your opinion to the gay community is "get over it?"
@@DB-qw6xqAh yes cause getting forcefully chemically castrated and having your entire life’s work buried just does wonders to one’s mental health
Also love your use of “the gays” really shows exactly where you’re coming from with this
Benedict Cumbelbatch's rendition of that scene is pure genius.
Chatgbt did it
You see at 0:35 Alan is searching for a book to write down the codes. Thats optimism at its peak.
if he did do that, one can imagine he knew it was going to work.
Bare in mind the revelation (in reality) was multiple words, not just "weather" and "hitler" but also the broadcast name CILLY, followed by "good morning" / "good afternoon", so in reality they had 6 words to go off on. As soon as Turning realised this after that chat, one can imagine his brain went "Its soo bloody obvious. Idiot!"
One of those moments in history where I'd love to have been a fly on the wall... This moment changed history forever!
😔 indeed it did.
The best scene is actually when they realised they can't use all the codes...
true, using it means starting from the very beginning.
What ?
One of the best movies I've ever seen! Also knowing a very little about the real life person, it's absolutely appalling how Alan Turing was treated!
Except this movie is inaccurate as hell.
@@igorspitzExactly, wanted to watch it, but as soon as I saw first comment I decided not to. Or is it worth it ?
So, no credit to Gordon Welchman, and no credit to the Polish scientists who actually designed and crafted the first successful decryption machine for Enigma codes - and later passed the design to the British. True, Turing was a freakin' genius - so were Welchman, Rejewski, Różycki and Zygalski, and deserve as much credit in a movie about cracking Enigma.
And Tommy Flowers
@@stanlivy Absolutely, sir.
They weren't chemically castrated or commit suicide after being outted and unfairly shunned by society after saving their country. This is his story.
Proud of my Polish DNA on my mother’s side, Scots on my father’s.
For me? You get unbreakable will with that.
No one is stopping the Poles from making their own film ffs. So bitter.
What a moment that must have been. I can’t even imagine.
Yes, if it had happened like that it would have been quite a moment! Unfortunately the imagination of the writer and director ran away with them!
The soundtrack in this scene made me tear up multiple times
Rejewski, Zygalski and Różycki.Polish mathematicians quite quick managed to reconstruct the system of operation of the Enigma rotors, changing the connections between the keys and the front launch levers. It was a key step in their work. Thanks to this, at the end of 1932 they managed to read the first German dispatch, encrypted with Enigma. After a few years, they were able to read almost all German dispatches. After the war, the French and the British did not want to remember who broke the secret of the German Enigma. General Bartland claimed that it was a joint success of the French and Poles. (This is what he concluded in his memoirs published in 1973). The British, on the other hand, had no qualms about ascribing all this success to themselves. They announced to the world that the cracking of the German Enigma was done by British cryptologists from the facility in Blatchley Park. The most important of them was to be Alan Turing. The role of Polish mathematicians has been reduced to an insignificant incident. And this is exactly what history has written. And this version is valid until today.
They'd be right to do so. The Poles did crack Enigma. They laid the groundwork for the Bletchley Park team to crack the much heavier guarded German Naval Enigma codes. These codes were believed impossible to crack.
And there is a difference (in this case) in being able to crack the code in a few days or cracking it in a few minutes/hours after every change. The english work was a significant leap at the least.
@@totherik91 The mechanism was the same - and it was discovered by the Poles. What you wrote is like "we should prise more the maker of the cart than the wheel, because the second is much more complex". Why do we celebrate Gutenberg for his work when today we have much more effective printing techniques?
Now you see west hypocracy. Like Polish you should finally learn never trust west
@@PolskiModziarzyour comments and username show your hypocrisy. You want credit for what other people did just because you're the same nationality, you havent achieved anything yet you denigrate people who have
Great film such a shame how he was treated after 🙁
This was a good film up to the point that it proclaimed that Turing killed himself because of homosexual persecution. This idea that he killed himself is completely disputed using modern day sciences, reasoning and probability. His death was accidental and gays should get over this fact!
@@DB-qw6xqdoesnt change the fact he was still persecuted for it and definitely wasnt ecsastic from it?
@@DB-qw6xqwgy did you comment this multiple times when its wrong
@@lonesome3958 Someone is deeply afraid of coming out of the closet it sounds like.
@@SirBarth someone is afraid to thinknand rather uses lame insults it sounds like
Dovrebbero fargli un monumento perché non si è arreso davanti alle difficoltà sia lui che il suo gruppo. Mitici.
An epic journey breaking the Enigma code!
You brits, you know that you have this broken enigma code from Poland. Turing made his job in evolving codebreking as the code was complikated
We do there is a marvelous peice from Dracheinfel on it, well worth the time and patience to understand.
What a pre- Comprehensive educational system could preduce plus lots more.
Not to burst your bubble but we have more geniuses now, not less. You might want to recall that these people were the highest valued mathematicians of their time and not really representative of the entire society... A lot of which in the 1940s couldn't even read or write.
You can burst my bubbles as much as you like. You are talking rubbish about the inter war educational system . The inventions of WW2 came from the Grammar School system- Penicillium. radar, proximity shell (which followed from previous), Merlin aero engine, Decca navigation system, jet engine and lots more. In the 60's there was a thing called the brain drain from the UK to the US. People were going into British universities better educated than Americans were coming out. There's always going to be illiterate / innumerate people who have an IQ below 83, The US forces cutoff@@Seviexe
In the 1960's, a PDP-8 could take 15 minutes do it a 4 rotor encrypt.
Today, it takes an average laptop seconds to do the same, using the GPU as the processor using parallel computing.
A 12 physical core Xeon running all 24 hyperthreaded cores, could smoke it, in real time.
Cool story bro
No shit......no one would have known modern computers smoke older tech.
You mean a PDP-8, right?
That moment where you achieve something you always knew you would or wanted to!
...and then Turing realised the terrible truth that they could not use the information they had decoded to move convoys to safer routes or it would have given the game away.
Keira knightly is gorgeous
Alan Turing's role in cracking the Enigma code was exeggareted in this movie. He only used the research of people who worked on it before him and finished the job.
In fact, this has been historically proven, it was group of young Polish mathematicians and students who first discovered the way to crack into some parts of the code, but they had to stop their research as they found out they will be soon arrested and probably killed.
While they all eventually were arrested and executed near the end of the war, one of them, who originally avoided the arrest but was arrested and executed later, somehow managed to smuggle the Enigma machine they had and all of their paperwork out of Poland and it eventually somehow made its way to Turing, who eventually finished the job.
One of the brilliant minds of their time. Unfortunate to have suffered at the later stage. Salute 🫡
The saddest is realizing the British probably did give turing the recognition he deserved because of the person he was, that's truly effed up.
what a great scene
HMS Bulldog! Don't forget that crew.
Thanks!!!!
This nation has a habit of betraying those who like professor Turing contribute to country needs especially in wartime thank you professor a shear mathematical genius
This nation owes you a debt of gratitude 😊😊
it was knowing your enemy that broke the code not knowing the language
Human the most unique and not worthy creatures.
The best scene of the second best biopic ever made (after Oppenheimer, of course).
I love this scene!
And after the war they prosecuted him for homosexual acts and was chemically castrated. Thank you for your service.
yeah bloody shocking what happend to him after the war...atleast we've come to realize the error in our ways although that doesn't do much for him anymore...
You would think after shortening the war by 2 years they might have cut him some slack!
Apparently this movie coming out got him posthumously acquitted of his criminal charges for whatever that’s worth.
"By 1979, long after the peak of the 1930s eugenics movement, California sterilized an estimated 20,000 people, deemed unfit to reproduce, without their consent." 1979
This is what happened to a man who was a cross word genius he was picked out and told if war breaks out when you get called up you tell the recruiting officer to ring this number of course he was laughed at but he insisted the office did ring and was told to tell the man where he had to go.
I know this was made for dramatic effect. Of course they knew all along that they would use commonly used phrases like "weather" and "heil hitler". Otherwise they would never be able to solve enigma because they would never know what they were looking for.
What about Tommy Flowers work …?
What they actually did in the end and was the problem for so long before them, was discovering something that was basically very simple - Enigma machine actually used the codes which basically did nothing but replace letters in normal words of the message with a certain different letter of the alphabet. Therefore, some of those random letters kept repeating as in normal words same letters also very often repeat. The reason it took so long to crack the code, even though solution was right there the whole time, was the fact that they didn't know which letter replaced which other letter. That was solved eventually when a codebook was discovered and it helped Turing crack the code. It was not some higher up mathematics. It was just simple case of not having a codebook for so long. Without a codebook, there was no way they would ever manage to crack it.
i always hate it when the good guys lose at the end of the movie
Polish people broke Enigma Code saving 30 milion lives
Not all heroes and heroines wore uniforms!. Nuff said.
Hello, Ms Knightley.
Got Christopher Steele figured out.
Matt Siemens, half-brother to Aaron Siemens, who also worked in 2006 at the Alpenstube restaurant.
Currently stars in the show Suits.
Melody Macready is implicated in my opinion.
She knows Myra Donnelly very well.
Steele is a dupe, the real Steele is dead
Eight crowns hath the uncrowned king
The ninth is the blockchain, tenth the election
Trans is a false flag
You are looking in all the wrong places
Will we see Louis Wain trailer soon 👀 ?
And at that moment the war was won.
This movie was brilliant. Ots a shame what they did to him
As a film depicting the real facts behind the breaking of Enigma,it's pretty bloody poor. If one reads the real history of the breaking of the Enigma cipher,one will see what utter nonsense is depicted in many parts of the film. Try visiting Bletchley Park and immerse yourself in what is depicted in stunning displays,as a starter to reading up the real story of Station X and the incredible feats it achieved and not just by Alan Turing!
If only they knew...
Kiera is so beautiful
What an amateur mistake to make that young actor ask "did it work?" once the machine comes to a stop. Well you have been working with the group for a while now didn't you? Shouldn't you by now know that it is just giving you the settings that has to be tested with a sample message? Asking "did it work?" like a kid who has no idea what on earth is going on :D
Well, they attempted to crack before but they don't have the great results. Not until Alan Turing came in.
@@MM-NolascoPHOne tiny thing to note: they had broken the Enigma MOSTLY.. The problem was the information was stale by the time they found out what was in the messages. The issue was never solved until Turing joined the Bletchley Park team. The huge machine is the Bomb, the world's first real programmable computer. The honor does NOT go to ENIAC. The Bomb uses wheels to quickly run through every possible setting the Enigma can produce. Each wheel stopped once it was narrowed down to the last possible letter. Doing it all by hand was too tedious. This is why Turing realized they would have to break new ground with the world's first ever programmable computer.
@@largol33t12 The Bomb is NOT a programmable computer. It is a machine that is bound to one task only.
Programmable inputs, much like a gun turret mechanical computer.
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1 Billion Times Zero = Zero
wtf is this movie about... polish people broke the enigma code
Completely crap movie
This was a good film up to the point that it proclaimed that Turing killed himself because of homosexual persecution. This idea that he killed himself is completely disputed using modern day sciences, reasoning and probability. His death was accidental and gays should get over this fact!
To say with certainty that his death was accidental goes against everything else you're saying. Yes, the circumstances of his death are unknown (it could have been suicide or accidental, we'll never know), but that doesn't change the fact that he was treated diabolically by the government both before and after his death, and NOBODY should get over this fact or ever forget it.
The inquest said he committed suicide by cyanide. Wikipedia notes a theory that he accidentally breathed cyanide fumes.
Not sure if bait or if you’re actually this stupid
Never has the film "proclaimed that Turing killed himself because of homosexual persecution". It said: "After a year of government-mandated hormonal therapy, Alan Turing committed suicide on June 7th, 1954.", which is a fact. So I don't where you got that from.