First Vs Hundredth ~ Red Bull's China Pole Lap Comparison
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- Опубліковано 19 кві 2024
- A comparison between Red Bull's first, and hundredth pole position, both set in China.
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Apologies for the long absence between videos, I've been busy with my life's things as of late...
All good mate. Good comparison
The massive weight difference (605 kg as the minimum car+driver weight limit in 2009 versus the current 798) is visibly evident through the slow-speed corners, especially T2, 3, & 6.
Yes, you can almost feel the weight from the screen of the current car on some of the corners 😅
The way it turned in into the penultimate hairpin, holy shit
1:20 The braking point is especially noticeable. While the RB20 had just seen the curb, the RB5 had not yet stepped on the brakes.
and yet, today's car are faster overall.
@@matanbenmoshe91 Indeed & other than overall weight, they're superior in more or less all areas.
Have to note that the 2009 rb pole is with race fuel
But it was still lighter than today's car
@@GreatJO Indeed, so nullified overall impact.
And no DRS + KERS
2024 track was low grip because they repainted it
@@TheJokerit19 Not really, the Q2 times were a second faster than the pole lap in 2009. Still slower than 2024 but fuel and weight act differently. Weight can't shift balance as much as fuel in a tank.
1:18 is beautiful
omg it is
Those synchronised engines though…
you can see that the 2009 car was way harder to drive, Vettel is fighting with the wheel while Max is just going more a sunday drive
Because the vurrent cars has long wheelbase which improve stability
@@mArvAlcao71yeah but the Red Bull is the only car on the grid that looks like this
Despite the opposite being true, the 2009 car LOOKS so much faster, at least in the TV pod camera view
Wide angle*
Yeah but is not... 3 seconds faster now
Yeah indeed man, also (for me at least) it was due to that sound of the engine…
I was just looking left somehow thinking it’s ahead and is sending that car like nuts but i just expected it due to the sound…
Meanwhile, especially that last corner you can just see how fast it could go into the corner and accelerate towards the finish… max stopped, and that took some serious seconds I wasn’t ’expected’….
(I know the difference in cars ect ect so don’t take ‘expecting’ as i actually know this was to be expected lol but talking just about the engine screaming that caught me up I guess
It’s not until you see side by side comparisons that you realize how W I D E F1 cars have become.
The best two drivers in red bulls history as well. Amazing
Something to keep in mind is that the resurfaced track and conditions made the 2024 track much, much slower. The 2024 times could have been significan faster in similar track conditions.
From what i remember Seb did that lap in a single attempt in Q3 coz of some issues with the car.
i thought that was 2010. i could be wrong though.
2009 still rocks ❤
2009: Renault V8 and 2024: Honds RBPT V6 t
The 2009 RB5 may not be a title winning car but was instrumental in giving Red Bull and Sebastian Vettel the foundations for the next 4 years
Forget the performances just the aesthetics of the 2009 car looks incredibly basic compared to the 2024 cars. In quoting Rooster from Top Gun “Oh,my god this thing is old”
Taken the words right out of my mouth.
V8😍
Thanks for the video. The Audio is Inverted. 2024 car should be on the right side and vice versa
Really? It doesn't sound like that to me...
Mostly corner exit speed and straights
Been nice if the 09 had just as smooth handling, ERS, and DRS back then to make a more equal comparison
Fantástico very god
To be noted:
Sebs time was set with race fuel. His time would be ~0,5 seconds faster with a lighter car like Max.
But still overall lighter & slower.
@@TheJokerit19 true. But that lighter car would be more equal to compare them.
@@Torres9MZ Solely fuel load-wise, yes.
@@Torres9MZyeah but the track was horrible in 2024, they were SECONDS slower then initially expected🤷
Very interesting to see where each car makes/loses time. The older cars showing why weight matters through the slow corners and the true F1 sound of the V10s.
To any engineering inclined person, is a modern V10 feasible under current F1 engine limitations of a season?
That’s a V8
>V10
No. Because no manufacture would use a NA V10 anymore.
Of course it's feasible to put a V8 or even a V10 into a car, but the problem is F1 tries to appeal to road car manufacturer trends, and the interest now lies in (turbo)hybrid efficiency engines, not high revving V8s.
@pariseri, it's all to do with rules & regs / fuel usage. A V10 would require higher rpms to make the necessary torque & power , however they are capped by fuel flow restrictions.
In any case, a V4 or inline 4 is likely better than a V6 in terms of the current rpms and power they are currently making (better torque band). Again, they are required to use V6's.
Note - 2006 to 2013 were 2.4L V8's, a lot less power & torque than the V10's used from 1996 to 2005 ...well in particular from 2000 to 2005.
2009_2016, the slowest years ever, compare with 2004
Tbf the 2016 were fast, but the rest of those years were slow especially 2014.
@@mArvAlcao71 Relatively fast, yes, especially in Bahrain, but that's about the only location.
and vettel did his first pole in 2008 in monza with toro rosso ;)
This is red bulls first pole, not vettels
@@StuHolland oh seriously ? i didn't see that... :'D all we know it's redbull poles ;) and with redbull poles, vettel is far away better than verstappen because he did pole and victory with toro rosso ;) (redbull group ;) )
So what's the point in chaging anything, the cars are on completely the same scale of speed?
Two second and half difference is really big
different regs, eg no drs, etc.
@@de1623 Indeed, as well as less grippy tyres & thus inferior mechanical grip, inferior overall aero, & less advanced technology, so RB20 is better in more or less all areas, except overall weight.
Two very different era of cars
With the RB5 it’s a completely new era of aerodynamic rules and it was in its first year while the RB20 with its ground effect rules are in its 3rd year by this point it’s well refined
@@chanchaniceman Indeed & another factor that affects the overall performance difference alongside the others.
Ahhh when F1 was worth watching, drivers in old school proper cars...
Proper drivers and cars, then you would have to go back to the late 80s thru mid 90s.
@@1jeffrthe both of you most likely drive ford focuses or corsas, what do u know about "PrOpEr DrIvErS aNd CaRs" lmao 😂. Respectfully, sit down, shut up, and enjoy the sport. The 80s and 90s era of cars arent coming back so stop your whinging. People like you just ruin it for everyone smh. Boomers
>old good new bad
@@1jeffr50s and 60s real drivers
And yet you still here. Seen a bit like thoses type of fanboys that complains about the current situation of the sport because their favorite driver isn't the one dominating, but still watchs and keep crying all over the internet.
I am more surprised that the most time lost is actually on straights instead of corners, i thought the v8 can get quite close to current cars, but nope.
I mean we are talking 750hp Vs 900hp. That's quite some power increase,
The V8s were always down on power. Had it been a V10 with that aero, it would be faster.
Also no DRS or battery etc
Because of ground effect, the aero on the 2024 cars is much less draggy, plus DRS of course
Without DRS, 2024 F1 cars are still slower than 2004.
2024 is only 0.127s faster than 2004 (1.33.787), but again, no DRS in 2004.
All these regulations have made the cars safer and more fuel efficient, but no faster. Let manufacturers race again!
You’re asking for more racing and yet the last few years have seen more overtaking than ever before in F1.
In 2004 the average number of overtakes per race was 15.
In 2022 the average per race was 35
Early to mid 2000 was boring af for on track action.
@@jk844100 I'm not saying that everything since 2004 has been downhill, but we are regulating our cars to be slower for the environment.
Put the same ground effect aero package on a 2004 car, and DRS and even without 20 years of engine developments, that 2004 car would be a superior car, with the same # of passes as modern F1.
Don't you remember how great those old V10's sounded?
Do you really want ~50% the power to come from a heavy EV battery?
@@michaelp4122 I don’t care how the cars sound.
“Damn that V10 sounds great doesn’t it”
“Yeah. Too bad half the cars didn’t finish the race and the ones that did couldn’t overtake”
“……….but……V10 sound good”
@@jk844100 So, keep the current 15,000 RPM limit and reliability checks in place.
2004 cars used to break so frequently because there were no budget caps. Cars used to use every rare metal on the periodic table for fractional gains.
I have no issue with budget caps to make the cars more reliable, and to limit material to those we can use on road cars.
So what exactly is the point you're trying to make? F1 would be faster with V8's and V10's.
@@michaelp4122 2004 was in the midst of the “cost cutting era” when they were limited to 1 engine per race. So in a way there was a soft budge cap back then, and they couldn’t push all the time because they had to do the whole weekend with 1 engine.
And the point I was making is that I don’t care about engine sound.
Also the current power units are more powerful than the V10s and V8s.
V10s were about 825hp (could go up to 900hp but risking reliability).
V8s were about 785hp
The current V6 power units reach about 1000hp equivalent (850hp from the ICE and 150hp equivalent from the hybrid system).
Yo por mí ponía los f1 que corrieran 600 km/h y que se maten y eso, ya toca ☠️☠️
Vettel is better than Maxipad the FIA boy
And still living rent free in a Shamilton fangirl's head........
jjjjjjjjjj
@@de1623 I am an Alonso fan. Weird how you can't defend your idol without mentioning Hamilton though.
@@AgainstWokeness And I'm not a Max fan, Nice assumption though.
Oh boy, a 12 year old at the keyboard..... namecalling. Growup kiddo. You're embarrassing yourself.