It's strange how much difference there is between the POG's. And I agree with you that the Sub 'n' Up sounds really weird with just the octave down. I keep fiddling with the Toneprint editor but I can't find a way to make it sound good
Yea I really like the Sub N Up when the octave is mixed with the dry - that kind of warm, rounded thing that it does sits behind a dry signal really well and sounds nice. But by itself it's just muffled and dark... I haven't messed with the Toneprints on it at all, though, sorry to hear that hasn't helped much.
Thanks for the video. Very helpful. I'm really interested in adding the Nano POG to my board. Your blurb at the end of the video about the Nano only drawing 25 mA might have sealed the deal for me. That's a very small amount and it should present no problems with all of my other pedals getting juiced from my Truetone CS-7 power brick. Thanks!
The tracking on the micro pog is just unbeatable for me. I is just so more usable than the others when I think about what will cut when playing with a drummer. I get it though that its not for everyone and more something you'd choose if it were central to your sound because of how much room it takes up on the board.
Micro fog feels very accurate and aggressive. Nanopog feels a bit disappointing compared to micro. I am using tc sub-up mini. To assist my boss oc-5. This is not as accurate as boss, and the low tone is neither clear nor aggressive. It is a great advantage to be able to modify various parameters using the tone print app, but the basic sound itself did not feel attractive. It even has a low basic output level. I thought I should try pog after watching your video. Thank you.
Thanks. Yeah I would agree with all of that. I think the Micro POG is the best all around, it's pretty good at everything. (Just wish it wasn't so big.) Nano was a letdown, quite different from the Micro, and all the others I like even less.
Your demo was very interesting, thanks for that. like how you used the pedals, I'm getting a Nano, although i like the micro AS WELL, but for pedal board space. Gonna do some experimenting with hip-hop and r&b. Thanks for the demo bro ;)
Thanks for the review, very useful! I plan to use one of these for my live looping act with just the bass on and the dry and high octave off to lay down some bass lines. This helped me decide that the subnup probably wouldn't be best for that, it sounds super weird with just the bass. I'm not a fan of the latency on the nano compared to the micro on the staccato bass line you played, because it could make the timing of my loops slightly off. Which pedal would you reccomend for primarily turning the guitar into a bass in a live looping setting?
Thanks! I think I'd still go with the Nano for that purpose... to me it just sounded so much more natural and 'like a bass' than the Micro, even though there is that tiny bit of latency. I really never heard that at all until I started playing that very tight, very staccato riff, so unless you are planning to do a lot of palm mute-y stuff like that I think the Nano wins at bass. Also I can't personally speak for this, but EHX has since released a brand new pedal that's just for that, called the Bass9. If I were getting one for the sole purpose of doing looping bass lines, I might check that out, but I haven't tried it yet myself...
Thanks! That is one of my favorite songs to use one one - I don't know what they're actually doing on the recording, a twelve-string in Nashville tuning or something - but the octave-up works perfectly for it.
Matt LeFevers Timon Klein made a vid showing it’s essentially Nashville for just the 3rd and 4th strings. There’s a vid out there somewhere. Playing it as it was recorded, of course, meant bringing an extra guitar, but I did it a few times, it FEELS unnatural, but SOUNDS so cool!
I have a question, if you are only using the SUB out which pickup position sounds most like bass guitar and/or has the best note definition when playing chords? And which kind of pickups sound the best when trying to get close to a bass sound HB, single coils, p90s, mini hums? any suggestions would be much appreciated
My guess would be neck pickup, I would want that warmth and fullness if I was doing a bass thing. And I haven't tried this myself but others have told me single-coils are the way to go.
Hey, I'm not really into octave pedals, but my Japanese cover band wants to play Silhouette by Kana Boon and I'm pretty sure the guitar in that song is using some sort of octave or synth pedal My questions is could I get that sound for the sub n up or the pog? I just want something similar but not the same Thanks in advance
It sounds like an octave-up to me... my recommendation would be the Micro or Nano POG, I think they do that crisp clean high octave better. But yeah anything with an octave up would probably get close to that riff
@@LeFeversAudio it does to me as well, and if you listen to the live version it is even more noticeable, I'd say it even using a chorus. and thanks for the advice, also, does the sub n up track well? if not, I'll check if I can get a pog Thanks!
@@Ivan_Saul - I wasn't crazy about how the Sub N Up sounded so I haven't used it live as often as the other ones... I seem to recall it tracked okay, but I can't swear to it.
For that, definitely the Nano POG - that one sounded pretty great as a fake bass guitar, very natural and not digital sounding. I'd avoid the Sub N Up, it was the least 'realistic'.
In my experience it’s similar to guitar tone or bass tone in general though. The better it sounds by itself, the less it fits in a mix which is especially tough with low frequency content. The sub n up does sound nice but I doubt once you get everything dialed so it fits in a mix accordingly you’d notice an appreciable difference in a band context. I rather like the cut of the pogs.
I like the octave down on the Nano POG the most, it sounds gritty and realistic to me like a bass guitar, and not synthy like a weird keyboard. The Micro POG was all right for that, too, but octave down is I think the one place where the Nano beats all the others.
sucks that the nano POG price seems to be jacked up everywhere. Long and Mquade has the micro for 285$CAD while the nano is a special order at 270$CAD, its like 400$CAD at Amazon... should be like 150 at most..
Somethings up with your micro pog with sub down only and it leaking some highs in. I own this pedal and bought it for that purpose specifically. Mine sounds exactly like a bass.
Roy Williamson - it’s “Suburban War” by Arcade Fire. One of my all time favorite riffs and the reason I first bought a micro POG years ago! (Even though I later found out it’s probably a twelve string electric instead haha)
@@LeFeversAudio Hey man, I cant really find any good tabs for that riff, I cant quite get it by ear. Any tips for finding one or how you play it? Capo etc? thanks dude
It needs a capo at 3 - this tab isn't perfect but is one of the better ones I've seen (guitar 1 is the riff) : tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/arcade-fire/suburban-war-tabs-1514031
@@LeFeversAudio Very true! I appreciate everything you do on this channel by the way. Especially the "You Will Never Run away" tutorial. I have loved Rend Collective for a long time, and you were the only who could teach me the song. 😃👍🎸
Probably any of them, if you crank both the sub and the high octave up. I've definitely done that before when needing to cover a synth line, though if that's the main thing you want to do there might be better ways to go (Source Audio C4 synth maybe? or the new boss one?)
@@LeFeversAudio Thank you very much for quick reply :) I think i described the tone im looking for badly. I get this tone with Helix Native and kind of the same type of pedal which you presented ( pitch shift ) but with tone rolled off on neck pickup which gives amazing synth like tone ( in my humble opinion ). Thanks for your video. It was very helpful. Cheers !
Very good Demo. I prefer the Micro Pog. IT Sounds best. 🎸👍
Thank you. IT was the Info i needed for the decision to bye the right one.
It's strange how much difference there is between the POG's. And I agree with you that the Sub 'n' Up sounds really weird with just the octave down. I keep fiddling with the Toneprint editor but I can't find a way to make it sound good
Yea I really like the Sub N Up when the octave is mixed with the dry - that kind of warm, rounded thing that it does sits behind a dry signal really well and sounds nice. But by itself it's just muffled and dark... I haven't messed with the Toneprints on it at all, though, sorry to hear that hasn't helped much.
Micro pog is the best by a country mile nano is disappointing but a lot smaller TC sounds plastic synth like dreadful
This is an awesome comparison. Give us a 2020 pedalboard rundown please! 😁
Thanks for the video. Very helpful. I'm really interested in adding the Nano POG to my board. Your blurb at the end of the video about the Nano only drawing 25 mA might have sealed the deal for me. That's a very small amount and it should present no problems with all of my other pedals getting juiced from my Truetone CS-7 power brick. Thanks!
Never really knew how to use an octave pedal.Cool comparison video and playing examples.
Thanks! It's definitely one of those 'hey, why not', fun effects and not one of the important ones. But I do enjoy them.
very useful, thanks
The tracking on the micro pog is just unbeatable for me. I is just so more usable than the others when I think about what will cut when playing with a drummer. I get it though that its not for everyone and more something you'd choose if it were central to your sound because of how much room it takes up on the board.
Micro fog feels very accurate and aggressive. Nanopog feels a bit disappointing compared to micro. I am using tc sub-up mini. To assist my boss oc-5. This is not as accurate as boss, and the low tone is neither clear nor aggressive. It is a great advantage to be able to modify various parameters using the tone print app, but the basic sound itself did not feel attractive. It even has a low basic output level.
I thought I should try pog after watching your video. Thank you.
Thanks. Yeah I would agree with all of that. I think the Micro POG is the best all around, it's pretty good at everything. (Just wish it wasn't so big.) Nano was a letdown, quite different from the Micro, and all the others I like even less.
Your demo was very interesting, thanks for that. like how you used the pedals, I'm getting a Nano, although i like the micro AS WELL, but for pedal board space. Gonna do some experimenting with hip-hop and r&b. Thanks for the demo bro ;)
Thanks! Yeah hard to argue with the size difference (and the current draw difference, way less power) of the Nano over the Micro.
Thanks for this dude! Grabbed a micro Pog :)
2020 pedalboard walkthrough vid please!!!
Definitely will! But too much going on right now - probably later in the year :)
Micro Vs nano comparison finally!! Great demo, thanks!!
Oh okay, so the Sub'n'Up goes full Megadeth, got it. ;)
Thanks Matt, I've really been considering the POG for a while but was curious how the Sub n' Up compared... Seems pretty comparable to me!
Thanks for the review, very useful! I plan to use one of these for my live looping act with just the bass on and the dry and high octave off to lay down some bass lines. This helped me decide that the subnup probably wouldn't be best for that, it sounds super weird with just the bass. I'm not a fan of the latency on the nano compared to the micro on the staccato bass line you played, because it could make the timing of my loops slightly off. Which pedal would you reccomend for primarily turning the guitar into a bass in a live looping setting?
Thanks! I think I'd still go with the Nano for that purpose... to me it just sounded so much more natural and 'like a bass' than the Micro, even though there is that tiny bit of latency. I really never heard that at all until I started playing that very tight, very staccato riff, so unless you are planning to do a lot of palm mute-y stuff like that I think the Nano wins at bass.
Also I can't personally speak for this, but EHX has since released a brand new pedal that's just for that, called the Bass9. If I were getting one for the sole purpose of doing looping bass lines, I might check that out, but I haven't tried it yet myself...
So good man! I loved the octave idea on the like an avalanche progression! One more reason to get one of these pedals 👍🏽
Thanks! That is one of my favorite songs to use one one - I don't know what they're actually doing on the recording, a twelve-string in Nashville tuning or something - but the octave-up works perfectly for it.
Matt LeFevers Timon Klein made a vid showing it’s essentially Nashville for just the 3rd and 4th strings. There’s a vid out there somewhere. Playing it as it was recorded, of course, meant bringing an extra guitar, but I did it a few times, it FEELS unnatural, but SOUNDS so cool!
Matt LeFevers I found it! ua-cam.com/video/vKRyYgWYpGs/v-deo.html
I have a question, if you are only using the SUB out which pickup position sounds most like bass guitar and/or has the best note definition when playing chords? And which kind of pickups sound the best when trying to get close to a bass sound HB, single coils, p90s, mini hums? any suggestions would be much appreciated
My guess would be neck pickup, I would want that warmth and fullness if I was doing a bass thing. And I haven't tried this myself but others have told me single-coils are the way to go.
@@LeFeversAudio Thanks, ill give it a shot then
Micro is cheaper than Nano..but sounds better
The one in the middle
Hey, I'm not really into octave pedals, but my Japanese cover band wants to play Silhouette by Kana Boon and I'm pretty sure the guitar in that song is using some sort of octave or synth pedal
My questions is could I get that sound for the sub n up or the pog?
I just want something similar but not the same
Thanks in advance
It sounds like an octave-up to me... my recommendation would be the Micro or Nano POG, I think they do that crisp clean high octave better. But yeah anything with an octave up would probably get close to that riff
@@LeFeversAudio it does to me as well, and if you listen to the live version it is even more noticeable, I'd say it even using a chorus. and thanks for the advice, also, does the sub n up track well? if not, I'll check if I can get a pog
Thanks!
@@Ivan_Saul - I wasn't crazy about how the Sub N Up sounded so I haven't used it live as often as the other ones... I seem to recall it tracked okay, but I can't swear to it.
@@LeFeversAudio I see... Besides I've read some comments on the sub n u saying something similar
Thanks again Matt!! Your help has been really useful!
So so so nice video
Thank you bro
tysm matt that was v helpful
How about with acoustic. Which one would you recommend for looping, base line?
For that, definitely the Nano POG - that one sounded pretty great as a fake bass guitar, very natural and not digital sounding. I'd avoid the Sub N Up, it was the least 'realistic'.
Appreciated the jump from Cautioners to Hosanna. Great demo!
Thanks! Those two songs are responsible for so much of my whole deal, really.
what was the lead line at 7:35 ? super familiar..was that Elevation?
Yeah, Elevation's "Give Me Faith".
Hey ! What's the riff your playing on low octave overdriven ?
Those riffs are from my metal band, Into Chaos, but I think they’re for the next album we’re writing and not the current one, haha.
@@LeFeversAudio make some tabs or lesson ! Those are cool !
The Sub n Up is not as harsh as any of the other pedals, but the MicroPog comes in second.
In my experience it’s similar to guitar tone or bass tone in general though. The better it sounds by itself, the less it fits in a mix which is especially tough with low frequency content. The sub n up does sound nice but I doubt once you get everything dialed so it fits in a mix accordingly you’d notice an appreciable difference in a band context. I rather like the cut of the pogs.
What's best for -1 octave overdriven chords?
I like the octave down on the Nano POG the most, it sounds gritty and realistic to me like a bass guitar, and not synthy like a weird keyboard. The Micro POG was all right for that, too, but octave down is I think the one place where the Nano beats all the others.
sucks that the nano POG price seems to be jacked up everywhere. Long and Mquade has the micro for 285$CAD while the nano is a special order at 270$CAD, its like 400$CAD at Amazon... should be like 150 at most..
Yikes!
Somethings up with your micro pog with sub down only and it leaking some highs in. I own this pedal and bought it for that purpose specifically. Mine sounds exactly like a bass.
Interesting. Yeah, the ones I've played have always done that.
Matt LeFevers that’s weird. Use mine on Sundays at church.
I bet that I’m not having the problem you are because I run mine into a bass amp.
I should try it into my HRD.
what's the riff at 4:46? I recognise it!
Roy Williamson - it’s “Suburban War” by Arcade Fire. One of my all time favorite riffs and the reason I first bought a micro POG years ago! (Even though I later found out it’s probably a twelve string electric instead haha)
@@LeFeversAudio Hey man, I cant really find any good tabs for that riff, I cant quite get it by ear. Any tips for finding one or how you play it? Capo etc? thanks dude
It needs a capo at 3 - this tab isn't perfect but is one of the better ones I've seen (guitar 1 is the riff) : tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/arcade-fire/suburban-war-tabs-1514031
Note which one sounds the best... Is also the one that proudly displays on the front, "made in NYC, USA"... 🇺🇸😂
Malachi Skelly - I mean... you’re not wrong 😅
@@LeFeversAudio Very true! I appreciate everything you do on this channel by the way. Especially the "You Will Never Run away" tutorial. I have loved Rend Collective for a long time, and you were the only who could teach me the song. 😃👍🎸
So which one do you think that will suit the best as a "thick synth lead tone"
Probably any of them, if you crank both the sub and the high octave up. I've definitely done that before when needing to cover a synth line, though if that's the main thing you want to do there might be better ways to go (Source Audio C4 synth maybe? or the new boss one?)
@@LeFeversAudio
Thank you very much for quick reply :)
I think i described the tone im looking for badly. I get this tone with Helix Native and kind of the same type of pedal which you presented ( pitch shift ) but with tone rolled off on neck pickup which gives amazing synth like tone ( in my humble opinion ).
Thanks for your video. It was very helpful.
Cheers !