The obsession with mids on guitar forums of the early 2000's came hand in hand with the death of guitar in rock and metal. Mids mids mids = ear fatigue and common rules = vanilla sausage land. Guitar forums killed guitar production. V30 celestion SM57 close mic'd forever.
Eric is so legit -- his overall technical skill as an engineer is on another level. All of the records he's either engineered and/or produced (regardless of genre) sound amazing.
Hes also a frikkin stellar performer and musician. He played slide guitar and lead on snake river conspiracy first album supporting tour. Hearing him cover the Smiths How soon is nows lead slide parts is so tits
If you watch carefully you'll hear him say the amp is an Ampeg B15, but skip to 7:24 and you'll see it's actually a VT-40, which is what he actually used on the record. Moments like this are why Homme's sound is notoriously secretive & tough to replicate. He didn't use many pedals on Songs for the Deaf, the only one he did use occasionally was a Super Hard On to push the amp a bit harder. People often assume he uses fuzzes & Big Muff-type pedals but his sound at least on this record is much more of a tube overdrive. It's cleaner than you think, he just plays super loud to get that sound.
There's a story about the zvex SHO used on the record where a part blew in the pedal and Josh's tech opened it up to fix it, found a replacement part taped to the inside, because Zachary Vex know that part was prone to failure. He fixed it up and it sounded completely different! I can imagine that was a very frustrating part of the process!
He chains them live too. Or at least he did. He has made a lot of gear changes since this album was released even going as far as to stop using his GPs live. He deliberately uses rare/unheard of equipment for doing that too. The really basic stuff about his approach aren’t exclusive to him, but the equipment itself could be considered as such. A lot of that stuff is modified by technicians too, as the guy mentioned. His sound is cool for what he writes, but his approach to his gear is what’s really great because there is so much more that can be done with it that he •doesn’t• do. Those types of setups are surprisingly awesome when used with other genres of rock music or just music in general, and that’s something I don’t see talked about much, if at all really.
This video is amazing!, you can tell he’s treading lightly with the exact “rig setup” information lol, he’ll actually pause and think before he divulges too much...definitely a class act.
All the midrange meme comments, but tbf, that IS the guitar's place. To emphasize the shit out of it is definitely a stylistic thing, but it's never really a bad thing until it becomes hysterically boxy.
Agreed but to go further most people that are playing in C standard want guitar tone similar to mudvayne or hell yea. I unintentionally chose those two because they are both in C not caring that Gregg is in both at times. But point is how crap would qotsa be if they ran those guitars thru a mesa dual rec or scooped whatever. It would sound like numetal not rock music. Its awesome tho lol
All sound is on mid range, pretty much, as a bass player, bass and treble are like the cherry on top, it's nice to have them, but human ears are made to hear midrange, really
Then they become a cover band of themselves. J ho used thecsame stuff he used in kyuss but how he envisioned it sounded but never happened in Kyuss. So that sound is just what he happened to use. It was on its way out after rated r and songs.
Really cool tip when he mentions the cab's speakers all converging at a particular area and placing a mic there. Going to have to give that a try in future sessions.
To sum up the video, crappy amp heads, loads of expensive mics in a small room and oh yeah mid range mid range mid range boost and hell ad some more mids. Awesome though sounds epic!
Just thought the same thing. That looks NOTHING like a B15. Nor is it a bass amp. It's a 4x10 guitar combo with the head removed and sitting on top! VT-40!
This must have been a slip of the tongue, one old Ampeg amp blew up (an unfortunate fact of using old gear) and we had to swap it for another Ampeg, good spot! I'm assuming the one we were originally going to use was the Portaflex...
Taking the chassis out of an Ampeg VT40 and putting it on top definitely doesn't make it a B15 ;) Haha Its common knowledge now that Josh Homme's sound is based around the Ampeg V4/VT40, so i don't know how they benefit from hiding it here, but cool video anyway!
you 100% right probably this was the secret..but i ve to say, when he show the pictures of the amp set to record the album ,you can see a vintage V4b on 412cab
It gets weirder than that, The front face of that amp is IDENTICAL (except that it says VT-40) to the head sitting to my left which is an Ampeg VT-22! Of which I can only find variant combo demos of, haven't seen my head in a demo yet...
Ampeg VT-40, a Boss SD-1 (really) with Level and Tone on Max, Gain on minimum and a Graphic EQ pedal boosting 400hz to the max with everything else on the EQ pedal flat. Can't remember the amp settings but there's probably a ton of photos from that tour. The amp is terrifyingly loud. Shame Boss don't make the PQ-4 anymore, it was a great pedal.
Nice, I just picked up a 1974 no distortion/master volume V40 for $350! It really gets that sound cranked with particular settings I find. Treble booster also helps to bring that sound home as well. But the EQ pedal boost is wild on top of the amps already 300hz boost. I still haven’t been able to make the mids at full on the amp work in a pleasing way. Maybe it’s the EQ pedal boost with that, that’s making it work here. But to be honest for a live scenario… just a treble booster, and amp settings sound like it to me. Then optional Foxxy Tone I use for octave up fuzz is cool. I could also see using a TS808 at 0 gain and set tone to cut bottoms on the way in…then let the amp boost at 300hz. Seems like a lot of cutting stuff out, and a puzzle to put other frequencies in from 250-1khz here. Then there’s the Boss drive at 0 gain, volume and tone all the way up to emulate a treble booster people have used. It seems secretive but not so secretive 6 years later, if you piece together others findings and if you own the gear. May not be spot on for recording, but getting the live sound not too hard. These amps bass is not easy to pick up, I find mic the back of my V40 has to be done, and front mic backed off 12in or off axis from the cone to work. 2 mic kinda setup
Yeah, it probably did sound better isolated but the second it was in the mix it might have disappeared or all of the transients washed out. That extra layer of tone made a world of difference of where the guitar sat in the mix.
Can't believe how quiet everything is - would have expected a ton of hiss from all that mid range boost - especially from the EQ pedals. Wiring in his place must be pristine.
Just remove noise afterwards.. Also noise it's pretty hard to hear on a band context, with the drums blasting and vocals going too, unless it get's louder than the guitar 😂🎉
Awesome video and really informative! Funny thing is that the band wanted Homme to produce the album, however their record label insisted on an external producer. In the end Homme ended up doing most of what people would consider the producers work and Valentine ended up being more of an engineer.
Heavy ass gauge strings on that 'ol Silvertone. I have an old silver tone from early 60's and I love the neck on it. The whole guitar weighs around 4-5 lbs. The wooden bridge cracked from age and I need to replace it after seeing this.That Jupiter has foil pick ups. Microphonic pickups and crazy sounding.Feedback.noisy. I love obnoxious tone. I love the high end shit too. Josh's Kyuss and Doom background give the Queens that sound and of course the magic happens in the studio. Thanks for the video S.O.S.M.
Was just about to mention a few Qotsa articles in SOS coming up to 20 years back that discuss equipment and recording methods when I realised this was an SOS video
Damn, this whole freakin time I thought there was Russian Muff somewhere in there... Its amazing how its just simply a blend of mics and eq pedals along with a hint of compression to get you close to Homme's classic sound. Very different approach to it all! I'm sure you'd proabably need to improvise a ton for a live sound, but for room playing and messing around/enjoyment playing there probably will be a lot more pedals lol. Awesome video!
They used a really small, claustrophobic room. As shadetree said, they recorded the shells and cymbals seperately. I don't even think they used that much mics. A dynamic on the snare and maybe some small diaphragm condenser or ribbons on the toms.
@@-........ toms weren't close mic'd on the album. I can't remember what the kick and snare mics were like but most of the drum sound for the shells is from room mics but in a small room
I think the main guitar used for both Rated R and Songs for the Deaf was the Ovation Ultra GP loaded with Dimarzio Super 2s. I can hear it on Rated R. The Dimarzios are obvious to me. He's holding it in pretty much all the footage of the sessions that exist and in live shows at the time. His main rhythm tone didn't change a ton between those two albums, although I think he used a different guitar on no one knows.
Really interesting that overdrive is just coming from pushing so much mid and volume into the bass head! I had always assumed it was fuzz pedals all the way. Would have also been really interesting to see how the bass guitar was handled here, but it was probably a more conventional setup.
really interesting. instead of using a fuzz pedal (which is essentially a midrange booster/distorter) they just cranked the mids with all sorts of eq's in the signal chain.
Great video! I have heard that Josh had also been using the Zvex Super Hard On pedal for his core sound on Songs For The Deaf album. (The movie "Fuzz, The Sound that changed the world")
i've heard he uses one of the somewhat older fulltone octave/fuzz pedals, but uses the fuzz only (then of course kicks on the octave switch for solo tones like little sister and stuff..little sister is definitely some sort of octave/fuzz) i think everyones probably thought that josh has used every fuzz under the sun, but it could be that he barely uses them at all. i think a really hard volume + midrange push on an ampeg vt-40 is probably it, but "no one knows"...
Eric said most of the distortion was actually from most of the weird crappy amps they bought, The only fuzz they had in the studio was a Foxx octave fuzz. The guitar he doesn't mention here is that Homme was using an Ovation GP I htink.
Fuzz tones were used mainly for lead tones (listen to the leads in Millionaire, Deaf, I'm Gonna Leave You). If it was tasty rhythm guitar riffage, chances are it was the boosted bass amps.
Johnny Cab Yep, there's a video on here from the SFTD recording sessions and josh is clearly using an ovation ultra gp to record the title track at least.
the midrange has been legendary among the queens camp, im curious if you showed that to josh, or he came in looking for that addition to his sound. songs for the deaf, imho, is the first time queens explored this avenue
That was JHos setup for twenty years prior. He always sounded like that but never got the recorded sound to. This was his getting his guitar sound put to record(the proof, not record as in a musical record but historical). Its proof of his sound from Kyuss-Songs. Then for Lullabies it all kinda changed a bit.
What is it with all these older guitar dudes wanting to be so secretive about their guitar chain? Usually Eric goes into quite a bit of detail about chains so the Stone Age guitarist must be super particular about keeping those secrets. It’s just so silly to me lol.
Locoandchooch I know right? You try to watch a tech video about a band you couldn't care less about and met with this pretentious bullshit... Like... Yeah let's look through the comments and see who else thinks it's dumb.
I thinks the knob on far right is volume, and the knob to the left of it can be adjusted so it's probably set to boost an upper-mid? I was wondering that as well
Damn that’s a personal process ! The lesson might be: do what sounds good to your ears and don’t be afraid to break the rules 🙂 (when you know them already).
With all the craziness going on to get the tones for recording, it must have been a trip trying to put together a rig to tour that album. Id like to see a vid on that.
There's a 35 sec clip from backstage 'somewhere' and it didn't exactly sound like Queens live or sound checking even though it did sound like their style (?), but it does show parallel VT-40s mic'd. Which is what that detached head was, not a B-15 or whatever...
So the RCA mic is how they got those almost faded out tones in places the the very start of Millionaire, after the radio intro? This vid is so cool, kinda inspires me to become a sound engineer.
He’s being overly secret about stuff that most of us know about. Fuck me, Josh played those Ovation guitars onstage for years, they’re well known among fans
Technically the EQ didn't add distortion, the amp head being driven hard accentuates those in the breakup but the pedal itself isn't generating any signal breakup.
If you want to know what any guitar player uses, go watch him in a small club. Even if the name plates are removed you can still see a Marshall jcm 800 or a Fender combo. Some bands are so secretive they won’t even put gear on stage. That’s when you realize that the gear is truly secondary to pure creation, it is only an element to an artist. If you can’t write songs or play it doesn’t really matter.
What if you stack 2 EQ pedals and boost the hell out of midrange? or maybe 4? And then add a little 5 dB on the console like a cherry on the pie. Thank you for sharing wisdom, although i’m not going to even try sounding close to Kyuss and latter. It was interesting how they did it!
Great video! Defiantly some interesting concepts to try out when recording guitar! As a plus watch the Living Room Gear Demos QOTSA video and see how he gets similar tones at far less of a budget!
SuperDanHimself factor in amplifiers, microphones, pedals, guitars and mic pre's your talking about tens of thousands and for most it would be way of reach. Especially with what I think is a tasty looking 8038 with some sort of retrofit flying faders. But that's all irrelevant. The gear doesn't matter and all that matters at the end of the day is how it sounds. The fact is that both videos are entirely valid and they both explore different concepts that are meant to get you in the ball park and both do so very well.
This is where all the scooped mids go
Probably the funniest quirky UA-cam comment I've ever read.
UA-cam comment of the year!-) Nice one Magitician!
hilarious
What a great geeky comment!
The obsession with mids on guitar forums of the early 2000's came hand in hand with the death of guitar in rock and metal. Mids mids mids = ear fatigue and common rules = vanilla sausage land. Guitar forums killed guitar production. V30 celestion SM57 close mic'd forever.
M I D R A N G E
Up please , if you could .
Eric is so legit -- his overall technical skill as an engineer is on another level. All of the records he's either engineered and/or produced (regardless of genre) sound amazing.
Eric Valentine is one of the most interesting and creative producers in the game. Really appreciate this video.
I'm still weighing discrepancies against novel ideas he employed, but I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
No doubt about it. The sounds of his records kinda go against the grain of what we expect from a “rock” record.
Hes also a frikkin stellar performer and musician. He played slide guitar and lead on snake river conspiracy first album supporting tour. Hearing him cover the Smiths How soon is nows lead slide parts is so tits
I think it would be better if he could just boost the midrange
Konstantinos Vasios just a touch
To 11.
So damn hilarious
@@Craigjordan121 But why not turn the mids up to 10 and make it one louder?
If you watch carefully you'll hear him say the amp is an Ampeg B15, but skip to 7:24 and you'll see it's actually a VT-40, which is what he actually used on the record. Moments like this are why Homme's sound is notoriously secretive & tough to replicate. He didn't use many pedals on Songs for the Deaf, the only one he did use occasionally was a Super Hard On to push the amp a bit harder. People often assume he uses fuzzes & Big Muff-type pedals but his sound at least on this record is much more of a tube overdrive. It's cleaner than you think, he just plays super loud to get that sound.
Thx for the info
There's a story about the zvex SHO used on the record where a part blew in the pedal and Josh's tech opened it up to fix it, found a replacement part taped to the inside, because Zachary Vex know that part was prone to failure. He fixed it up and it sounded completely different! I can imagine that was a very frustrating part of the process!
He chains them live too. Or at least he did. He has made a lot of gear changes since this album was released even going as far as to stop using his GPs live. He deliberately uses rare/unheard of equipment for doing that too. The really basic stuff about his approach aren’t exclusive to him, but the equipment itself could be considered as such. A lot of that stuff is modified by technicians too, as the guy mentioned. His sound is cool for what he writes, but his approach to his gear is what’s really great because there is so much more that can be done with it that he •doesn’t• do. Those types of setups are surprisingly awesome when used with other genres of rock music or just music in general, and that’s something I don’t see talked about much, if at all really.
@@nebula0697 Why so salty dude? Just let them have their fun.
Tubeworks*
So glad he chose THE riff for the demonstration!
Love that riff, it's hypnotic
This video is amazing!, you can tell he’s treading lightly with the exact “rig setup” information lol, he’ll actually pause and think before he divulges too much...definitely a class act.
All the midrange meme comments, but tbf, that IS the guitar's place. To emphasize the shit out of it is definitely a stylistic thing, but it's never really a bad thing until it becomes hysterically boxy.
Agreed but to go further most people that are playing in C standard want guitar tone similar to mudvayne or hell yea. I unintentionally chose those two because they are both in C not caring that Gregg is in both at times. But point is how crap would qotsa be if they ran those guitars thru a mesa dual rec or scooped whatever. It would sound like numetal not rock music. Its awesome tho lol
All sound is on mid range, pretty much, as a bass player, bass and treble are like the cherry on top, it's nice to have them, but human ears are made to hear midrange, really
@@BigTyronieDoesn't every band that does that sounds like cheap metal though? 😂🎉
My favorite Queens record. The guitar (and drum) sounds are just STELLAR. So, so good.
Wish the band would go back to their heavier sound.
Then they become a cover band of themselves. J ho used thecsame stuff he used in kyuss but how he envisioned it sounded but never happened in Kyuss. So that sound is just what he happened to use. It was on its way out after rated r and songs.
Slash, Queens of the Stone Age
and smash mouth?
Efe Bezmez Ikr how could they mention those two shitstains next to the allmighty Smash Mouth.
Elliott T buster boi did you call Queens of the Stone Age a shitstain? Degenerate lol
At least they chose to omit saying "Good Charlotte" even though they showed the name. I'd take Smashmouth over GC haha
Yeah GTFO
@@emerald_archer i know it was a joke but it just hurt me inside bruv
Really cool tip when he mentions the cab's speakers all converging at a particular area and placing a mic there. Going to have to give that a try in future sessions.
Martin I call that the “cone zone” it really is a cool thing.
Apparently this is why I want a 4x10 now
To sum up the video, crappy amp heads, loads of expensive mics in a small room and oh yeah mid range mid range mid range boost and hell ad some more mids. Awesome though sounds epic!
Nick Dillie ...and drop C 🤣
i agree it sounds awesome. but I'd cut some of those Mids. lol
"Crappy amp heads" lmao the b-15 is amazing what
Dont forget the half a million in rack gear.
@@kimmygibler760 Yet I can dial in a tone I prefer better with a $35 interface and free vst plugins.
7:25 'Old Ampeg portaflex B15'
Ain't that the darnest thing! I must've read 'VT-40' wrong!
Just thought the same thing. That looks NOTHING like a B15. Nor is it a bass amp. It's a 4x10 guitar combo with the head removed and sitting on top! VT-40!
This must have been a slip of the tongue, one old Ampeg amp blew up (an unfortunate fact of using old gear) and we had to swap it for another Ampeg, good spot! I'm assuming the one we were originally going to use was the Portaflex...
Taking the chassis out of an Ampeg VT40 and putting it on top definitely doesn't make it a B15 ;) Haha
Its common knowledge now that Josh Homme's sound is based around the Ampeg V4/VT40, so i don't know how they benefit from hiding it here, but cool video anyway!
you 100% right probably this was the secret..but i ve to say, when he show the pictures of the amp set to record the album ,you can see a vintage V4b on 412cab
It gets weirder than that, The front face of that amp is IDENTICAL (except that it says VT-40) to the head sitting to my left which is an Ampeg VT-22! Of which I can only find variant combo demos of, haven't seen my head in a demo yet...
Ampeg VT-40, a Boss SD-1 (really) with Level and Tone on Max, Gain on minimum and a Graphic EQ pedal boosting 400hz to the max with everything else on the EQ pedal flat. Can't remember the amp settings but there's probably a ton of photos from that tour. The amp is terrifyingly loud. Shame Boss don't make the PQ-4 anymore, it was a great pedal.
Yep…I have the amp. But also a treble booster can get in the area of the Boss. That’s what the Boss pedal is emulating with those settings.
Great video - thanks for taking the time to do it! 🙌🏼
The guitar sounds on that record are Devilishly good
Kip Kaspar brought me here
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...It's Songs for the Deaf....you can't even hear it
How we feeling out there? How's your drive-time commute?
"I need a saga... what's the saga? ...It's songs for the deaf.. you can't even hear it"
Do doot dun dun dun dun do doot *blast beat*
eric valentine is the fuckin champ. i’m back watching this video again after binging his channel
Crazy how no pedals were used for the drive on these songs. I'm blown away
Just like their speakers!
Nice, I just picked up a 1974 no distortion/master volume V40 for $350! It really gets that sound cranked with particular settings I find. Treble booster also helps to bring that sound home as well. But the EQ pedal boost is wild on top of the amps already 300hz boost.
I still haven’t been able to make the mids at full on the amp work in a pleasing way. Maybe it’s the EQ pedal boost with that, that’s making it work here.
But to be honest for a live scenario… just a treble booster, and amp settings sound like it to me. Then optional Foxxy Tone I use for octave up fuzz is cool. I could also see using a TS808 at 0 gain and set tone to cut bottoms on the way in…then let the amp boost at 300hz.
Seems like a lot of cutting stuff out, and a puzzle to put other frequencies in from 250-1khz here. Then there’s the Boss drive at 0 gain, volume and tone all the way up to emulate a treble booster people have used. It seems secretive but not so secretive 6 years later, if you piece together others findings and if you own the gear. May not be spot on for recording, but getting the live sound not too hard.
These amps bass is not easy to pick up, I find mic the back of my V40 has to be done, and front mic backed off 12in or off axis from the cone to work. 2 mic kinda setup
Long time qotsa fan. Thanks for the insight into the recording process. Fascinating!
The 441 by itself without the EQ cut sounded fantastic. Might have been an even better tone than the final combined tone.
Totally agree!!!!
It's all about in the mix though man
Yeah, it probably did sound better isolated but the second it was in the mix it might have disappeared or all of the transients washed out. That extra layer of tone made a world of difference of where the guitar sat in the mix.
the sound engineer is the musicians sorcerer !! haha
No shit
All these bands...we worship, had these wizards behind the scenes to make them sound like gods
always
6:40. Thought Eric was gonna bust out into his Mick Jagger impersonation! Cool vid.
madmuso5 HAHAHAHAHA Hilarious , how did you noticed ?!?!
Lol
Can't believe how quiet everything is - would have expected a ton of hiss from all that mid range boost - especially from the EQ pedals. Wiring in his place must be pristine.
RIFFHANGER I am guessing he has filters maybe?
Compressors, maybe
Just remove noise afterwards.. Also noise it's pretty hard to hear on a band context, with the drums blasting and vocals going too, unless it get's louder than the guitar 😂🎉
Awesome!! Now I give him a lot of credit for a record being THE album of the century. Thank you Eric! You're a great one!
I woulda killed to have been a fly on the wall during those sessions!
Great video! Very cool to get insight from an insider on one of the best albums ever made!
F.. Fresh pots?
Justin, FRESH POT!
Fresh POOOOOOOOTS
Justin, FRESH POOOOT!
Celebrate MEEEE!
I nearly forgot to watch that video today. Thanks for the reminder.
17:27 and this is what you get - Eric Valentine actually rocking out from his coldness... geez it takes a killer riff like that!
Awesome stuff! I have lots of crappy equipment. Can't wait to get started!
Awesome video and really informative! Funny thing is that the band wanted Homme to produce the album, however their record label insisted on an external producer. In the end Homme ended up doing most of what people would consider the producers work and Valentine ended up being more of an engineer.
Interesting! Makes sense to me.
Heavy ass gauge strings on that 'ol Silvertone. I have an old silver tone from early 60's and I love the neck on it. The whole guitar weighs around 4-5 lbs. The wooden bridge cracked from age and I need to replace it after seeing this.That Jupiter has foil pick ups. Microphonic pickups and crazy sounding.Feedback.noisy. I love obnoxious tone. I love the high end shit too. Josh's Kyuss and Doom background give the Queens that sound and of course the magic happens in the studio. Thanks for the video S.O.S.M.
awesome review, Eric, and killer sound. very impressive to witness a case study of sound engineering as an art form. thanks for sharing.
Was just about to mention a few Qotsa articles in SOS coming up to 20 years back that discuss equipment and recording methods when I realised this was an SOS video
Great video.
Damn, this whole freakin time I thought there was Russian Muff somewhere in there... Its amazing how its just simply a blend of mics and eq pedals along with a hint of compression to get you close to Homme's classic sound. Very different approach to it all! I'm sure you'd proabably need to improvise a ton for a live sound, but for room playing and messing around/enjoyment playing there probably will be a lot more pedals lol. Awesome video!
9/10 methods of recording something is 'LESS IS MORE'.
Russian muff was a lead tone for a bit of it I’m led to believe
@@samedgar2283 the Fulltone Ultimate Octave was the lead fuzz, often.
Just a little blend of very expensive mics and amps turned up to 11, very simple, modest stuff 😂🎉
Thank you for this. Great videos coming out as of late.
I’m about two beers away from buying that guitar...
Tris Desnos go for it man!
Well. . . .drink up man
Did you do it?
It's pretty cheap. Not Squier level, more low end Gretsch level. About $550 if you get the modern version with FilterTrons and a metal bridge.
Hold my beer.
I'm gonna boost the mids 120dB, then EQ out the boxiness...
Where in the chain you EQ matters just as much as the Freq and Db ranges
Distortion afterwards allows you to get away with pretty much anything
I feel like this video is chocked full of general truths and untrue specifics.
would like to see a video on the albums drum sound
Jawknee .Newness overdubbed the cymbals
They used a really small, claustrophobic room. As shadetree said, they recorded the shells and cymbals seperately. I don't even think they used that much mics. A dynamic on the snare and maybe some small diaphragm condenser or ribbons on the toms.
@@-........ toms weren't close mic'd on the album. I can't remember what the kick and snare mics were like but most of the drum sound for the shells is from room mics but in a small room
The drum sound is one of the few thing I dislike from this album. Dave's drumming is amazing, but the mixing leaves a lot to be desired for me.
Dave Grohl was using Brant Bjork’s Ludwig drum kit for the album.
I'm going to be honest, I'd be satisfied with the sound of the mic behind the amp only. Really creative way to achieve such a great tone.
Thank for your honesty.
this vid is one of the best i've seen, but i'll still do it my way. i;m mostly applauding his conciseness. seriously, a good watch..
Awesome... very impressed how clearly and simply Eric laid out the approach QOTSA's awesome tones
This album destroys my earballs every day. It's recorded like 5 times louder than anything else, ever. Still dig it, but Loudness Wars.
what?
Chad B hahaha. NICE
Exactly. It's wonderful.
I hear you, it’s stupid-loud. Peak loudness wars, indeed. So many mixes destroyed by crushing the dynamics.
I think the main guitar used for both Rated R and Songs for the Deaf was the Ovation Ultra GP loaded with Dimarzio Super 2s. I can hear it on Rated R. The Dimarzios are obvious to me. He's holding it in pretty much all the footage of the sessions that exist and in live shows at the time. His main rhythm tone didn't change a ton between those two albums, although I think he used a different guitar on no one knows.
Wow, I never would have thought of that technique in 400 years. Maybe they have been recording since the stone age?
you're not funny.
Your.
Their
There you are, you're their.
Who would have guessed that is how the tone was made. Im not surprised I couldn't dial this in.
Really interesting that overdrive is just coming from pushing so much mid and volume into the bass head! I had always assumed it was fuzz pedals all the way. Would have also been really interesting to see how the bass guitar was handled here, but it was probably a more conventional setup.
really interesting. instead of using a fuzz pedal (which is essentially a midrange booster/distorter) they just cranked the mids with all sorts of eq's in the signal chain.
Been waiting for something like this
I'm beginning to think that maybe the "secret" to the sound of that album was boosting the mids... MAYBE...
Great video! I have heard that Josh had also been using the Zvex Super Hard On pedal for his core sound on Songs For The Deaf album. (The movie "Fuzz, The Sound that changed the world")
i've heard he uses one of the somewhat older fulltone octave/fuzz pedals, but uses the fuzz only (then of course kicks on the octave switch for solo tones like little sister and stuff..little sister is definitely some sort of octave/fuzz)
i think everyones probably thought that josh has used every fuzz under the sun, but it could be that he barely uses them at all. i think a really hard volume + midrange push on an ampeg vt-40 is probably it, but "no one knows"...
Eric said most of the distortion was actually from most of the weird crappy amps they bought, The only fuzz they had in the studio was a Foxx octave fuzz. The guitar he doesn't mention here is that Homme was using an Ovation GP I htink.
Fuzz tones were used mainly for lead tones (listen to the leads in Millionaire, Deaf, I'm Gonna Leave You). If it was tasty rhythm guitar riffage, chances are it was the boosted bass amps.
Johnny Cab Yep, there's a video on here from the SFTD recording sessions and josh is clearly using an ovation ultra gp to record the title track at least.
the midrange has been legendary among the queens camp, im curious if you showed that to josh, or he came in looking for that addition to his sound. songs for the deaf, imho, is the first time queens explored this avenue
Nah, he's always been mid heavy.. I'm sure you've heard the previous album, "Rated R". It's not all that far from those tones.
That was JHos setup for twenty years prior. He always sounded like that but never got the recorded sound to. This was his getting his guitar sound put to record(the proof, not record as in a musical record but historical). Its proof of his sound from Kyuss-Songs. Then for Lullabies it all kinda changed a bit.
That’s like a 14:00 min intro to the guitar sound. Amazing
This was amazing! So interesting to watch thank you 😊
"Mentions big bands he's worked with"
*shows Good Charlotte*
Bobby sold milllions more than you
@@Ottophil we found the last good charlotte fan
Bobby I’m not a fan at all. I can’t stand those dorks. I’m just saying they are waaaaay more famous than you dude
Bobby um huh?
Uhhh....Good Charlotte was pretty damn successful. What are you talking about? Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it wasn't popular.
So ALL that could be boiled down to this:
Mids.
this is amazing. god bless eric valentine
What is it with all these older guitar dudes wanting to be so secretive about their guitar chain? Usually Eric goes into quite a bit of detail about chains so the Stone Age guitarist must be super particular about keeping those secrets. It’s just so silly to me lol.
Josh likes bass amps with guitars. Love how musicians think their some kind of wizards and need to protect their sound.
Locoandchooch I know right? You try to watch a tech video about a band you couldn't care less about and met with this pretentious bullshit... Like... Yeah let's look through the comments and see who else thinks it's dumb.
Comes from a different era I guess.
This is a dope video! I love studio setup info, thank you!
Just stumbled on your videos. These are amazing.. Love the real in depth behind the scenes/nerd out.
I understood none of this but like the bands music so much I watched the whole thing anyway.
Eric for President! I wish for a remix of Back in Black mad by him, or perhaps a final proper AC/DC album. That would be rocksound deluxe!
Very interesting. QOTSA were one of the best sounding shows
I've ever been to.
Anybody notice that the Boss Parametric EQ was boosting the HIGHS 100%? He didn’t mention it tho.
I thinks the knob on far right is volume, and the knob to the left of it can be adjusted so it's probably set to boost an upper-mid? I was wondering that as well
All this for it to be played on my shitty car speakers
That's what music is all about dude haha
If anything that's what they would have wanted - even more mid boost lol
Eric made a really in-depth video of the recording for No One Knows last year, it was deleted for some reason.
That’s why I downloaded it! 😂
@@RossTheSoundGuy Can you send it to me somehow please?
@@RossTheSoundGuy upload it please
Great video once again guys!
was always curious about this record! thank you!!
Copyrighting rigs, I never understood. I've shared so many gear setups...playing through oddball shit is the best stories.
This is soooo good. Thanks for sharing. Greetz
*I can't feel the air in the room moving*
lol
I love the "mid-range" especially with my big block Chryslers.
ERIC is phenomenal.... what a producer... WOWSA ;-)
Great content, thanks Eric
you give me all the tips i needed for my sound THX !!!
I know its been 6 years but please make a video on how to get the bass sound from the 1st qotsa album
This Ampeg amp isn’t a B15 amp, that Ampeg is a V-4B for sure I have 4 of them and that amp is an unmistakable amp!
This dude is freaking brilliant
Great Video, inspiring! And what a great record!!
Very interesting and well explained, easy to follow.
I have to admit, I’m slightly bummed that we didn’t get to hear the mic behind the cabinet, I was curious about that one
listen again, he shows it
Damn that’s a personal process ! The lesson might be: do what sounds good to your ears and don’t be afraid to break the rules 🙂 (when you know them already).
14:23 pulling the boxiness out of a burp. Reminded me of Rick Sanchez hahaaa
With all the craziness going on to get the tones for recording, it must have been a trip trying to put together a rig to tour that album. Id like to see a vid on that.
There's a 35 sec clip from backstage 'somewhere' and it didn't exactly sound like Queens live or sound checking even though it did sound like their style (?), but it does show parallel VT-40s mic'd. Which is what that detached head was, not a B-15 or whatever...
So the RCA mic is how they got those almost faded out tones in places the the very start of Millionaire, after the radio intro? This vid is so cool, kinda inspires me to become a sound engineer.
Great video.Very interesting approach!
He’s being overly secret about stuff that most of us know about. Fuck me, Josh played those Ovation guitars onstage for years, they’re well known among fans
I love the work Eric did on my band Slish's record.
He's a joy to work with, too.
Eric, you still have that painting I gave you?
9:38 " it was rare to use a pedal as main source of distortion.. ok so we've got 2 EQ pedals boosting +50 dB at 250 & 500 Hz" : )
Technically the EQ didn't add distortion, the amp head being driven hard accentuates those in the breakup but the pedal itself isn't generating any signal breakup.
If you want to know what any guitar player uses, go watch him in a small club. Even if the name plates are removed you can still see a Marshall jcm 800 or a Fender combo. Some bands are so secretive they won’t even put gear on stage. That’s when you realize that the gear is truly secondary to pure creation, it is only an element to an artist. If you can’t write songs or play it doesn’t really matter.
What if you stack 2 EQ pedals and boost the hell out of midrange? or maybe 4? And then add a little 5 dB on the console like a cherry on the pie.
Thank you for sharing wisdom, although i’m not going to even try sounding close to Kyuss and latter. It was interesting how they did it!
The Maestro is the key for those super buttery, midrange-equalized leads.
Great video! Defiantly some interesting concepts to try out when recording guitar! As a plus watch the Living Room Gear Demos QOTSA video and see how he gets similar tones at far less of a budget!
Tone King Amp, ES-335 and Fano Guitars and Catalinbread effects : not sure about the far less budget ! :D
Hey man! Thanks :)
Kind of the point with the video is to show that you don't need the Fano or the ES. You can get very far with just Catalinbread SFT.
Livingroom Gear Demos No worries man, the tones are just nailed right on imo. It deserves way more exposure than it already has!
SuperDanHimself factor in amplifiers, microphones, pedals, guitars and mic pre's your talking about tens of thousands and for most it would be way of reach. Especially with what I think is a tasty looking 8038 with some sort of retrofit flying faders. But that's all irrelevant. The gear doesn't matter and all that matters at the end of the day is how it sounds. The fact is that both videos are entirely valid and they both explore different concepts that are meant to get you in the ball park and both do so very well.
When will the others be uploaded?
They're coming in the next few weeks. Taking a break for Christmas...
Cheers guys! Well deserved break, heres to another year of quality SOS content!
Sound On Sound magazine cant wait! Great video happy hollydays!
Thanks. The Slash episode is coming very soon :)
The Slash episode has just gone live - sosm.ag/evslash - enjoy!
Eric is an amazing human!
This is cool, is there a video like this for Era Vulgaris?