Do we use REVIT or ARCHICAD? Well, that is an easy one to answer...
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2022
- Revit and ArchiCad are the two main "BIM" software solutions on the market. We are often asked which one we use/prefer while we work on some of the world`s largest and geometrically most complex objects. From our side, that question is very easy to answer...
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This is the first video I've seen from this channel. The detail and scope are just incredible! Thank you for the glimpse into how and what you do!
Interesting perspective. Feels like the architecture equivalent of game companies that develop their own engines from scratch
Did automated fabrication for a building we designed in 2005, called it file to factory, watched BIM become the dumping ground for datarot since. Insane to see you still deal with the same uphill battle. Keep up the good fight !
How do you guys do to present client plans, cuts and all paper needed for municipality approbation, etc?
I'm an architect and it seems you run a cnc shop not an architecture firm.
That’s what their website mentions vaguely as well. They work for architects they but aren’t themselves.
Some quality trickery here.
I think he just wishes he could have been an architect
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I would love to know, which plugins you are using or is everything custom programmed?
Do you have a course that teaches the basics? I know nothing about Rhino and I would like to know more so I can use it in my architectural practice with a ArchiCAD.
Very good estrategy! Thank you for sharing your workflow
So this was all done using vanilla rhino? Or do you use extensions as well
Very helpful video, people ask these questions alot, sometimes they give you a condition on knowing either software before being a job
Hi Milos. Thanks for the video and the insight. BTW: Wusste nicht, dass du aus Deutschland kommst ;)
I absolutely understand what you're doing and why you're not needing a BIM-Software. Revit or Archicad wouldn't even be able to create these parametric structures. Nothing would work without Rhino. But I also have to add, that these projects are kinda like a world for itself. We are doing a lot of "normal" BIM Projects and therefore it's mandatory to use the ifc-psets. The reason is simply, that a wall, window, roof etc. in program X also appears as wall, window, roof etc. in program Y. You probably don't need that because everything at your projects is a "special" structure and couldn't be sorted into a classic ifc-pset.
I'm excited about your 2 Mrd project. Keep on doing that great content!
Thanks for bringing us up to speed with your workflow.
Do you use Catia ?
I thought you were using CATIA 3DExperience Platform ? can you clarify?
i really apreciate your help with dowloanding this software
Great, my brain just exploded thinking about all the necessary parts required to build such a large project! 🤪😵🤣
Love the motivation. It would be great for quick little tutorials Eg rhinocommon sample for building an auto timber stud wall from a curve input for example. This could be the bridge between big complex buildings and the average Joe’s needs. Also rule out or in if this approach is useful for the common place.
Hey, great Video! Do you use Rhino for technical structures as well, like pipes, ventilation, Electric etc? And where do you get all the profiles for a Truss for example? So many Questions, I know, but love your vids, keep it up!😊
Using just rhino for structures as complex as this is common practice. But revit is still a MEP king.
If you are going to design architecture with a good pencil, it is enough.
If you are going to design parts for manufacturing up to a hardware level, then I don't think you are thinking about architecture.
Time is short, you choose, you want to design architecture or fight with the manufacturer with your CNC file.
The majority of people who use bim will hardly do projects of extreme complexity, it is tempting to think of millions of dollars, but in projects like this one reaches a level of even creating software to be able to manufacture the pieces, as an example of the architecture of the master Frank O Gehry.
Only a few firms are in those big leagues in which not only architects but also expert programmers participate.
I liked the video 👍, I respect the point of view, but it does not apply to my modest life. My respect to the users who work with Rhino on those impressive and complex models.
a lot of the so called parametric design that tries to be differentiated at all costs, but that end up falling into the commonplace, A design that has no correlation with the local architecture, much less with the local materiality.
If you wan to enjoy modest life, you should not have chosen architecture from the first
@@archist9789I did not choose architecture. Architecture chose me and I accepted it. hahaha
Day will come when those "parametric" forms go away and we are just left with parameters that actually define and enhance a building
@@RM-xk6iu daaaaaamn. i should make a frame out of this comment and hang it to my wall.
Well, to keep datasets clean and machine-readable / computer friendly, you need to use OPEN BIM BUILDING SMART language. And lot´s of softwares, even Revit or ArchiCad don´t allow to acces everything in STEP programming language, that IFC is based on. BIM is not 3D geometry, or "some data"... it´s about the structure of data and semantics to read or interpret those data. I don´t know if Rhino is a good software to keep data and relations in good organised shape.... (I don´t use it.)
BIM hype is great for software monopolies revenues, not for actual progress. There is almost no innovation or invention coming from those companies. On the other hand they recieve huge influx of money from enforced subscriptions because customer is a hostage without many choices.
You have clearly not mastered your BIM-Workflow yet. Programming and automating in BIM software is way quicker, as you can skip the step of defining building elements as "doors" and "windows"
truth.
@@DoggieB92 I would have mastered it if only tools allowed me. For example, there is no software available capable of dynamic sections and elevations along curve with associative edditing of generated output. 3D to 2D is almost impossible without exploding and heavy modifications. Without neccessity of 2D (mainly required by obsolete laws and people) i could just use cheap 3d modeling software to achieve what is considered BIM (geometry + attribures). I am talking about SW costing thousands incapable to bring anything on top of cheap SW like Rhino.
Always love your videos and your candid approach.
Weird...In architecture and construction, nothing goes without references, quality management certificates, proof of having a staff that matches the project size and last but not least proof of solid financials.
Tell me how exactly a 6 people online company like yours participate in billion dollar projects in the scope you tell us here. On your webpage, project "details" are like 2 sentences and they have nothing in common with "project details" references I know in the industry.
So, is he a lier?
Why do we not see this level of efficiency in simpler everyday buildings? The differentiator is that us typical architects have been pushing off responsibilities to the sub contractors. We would not even stand behind the engineering of a simple stud wall! We take too little ownership, thus can no longer influence how it gets build. This is the bigger hurdle. The tools, etc. are easier problems to solve.
Subtle thumbnail spoiler, with the rhino on the shirt. Your videos are inspiring.
Unfortunately I have this problem. I originally started in Sketchup, then moved to Rhino and grasshopper. However, most jobs prefer Revit because they design simpler projects. So because I cannot find a job in my area because I do not have knowledge in Revit, (I'm sure I could find one if I left, but I don't really want to leave), I am sitting here trying to learn a software that keeps telling me can't do something because it is wrong. Not that I am really going to be designing anything cool, but it's still a pain. In most cases I've heard it's chalked up to specs that manufacturers put out that can then be easily placed into the model so that contractors don't have to use crazy numbers or details, but it is what it is. Sometimes I curse my school for not teaching Revit, but then if I had started in Revit I might not be able to do parametric design. Honestly I should just leave to find work in a city or something.
You can still get work for Sketchup although it won't pay as much as Revit. Unless you go for the option of collaborating with a team of artist where you'll make the model someone else ports the models to Revit.
Preach.
Are leaving out very large pieces of the puzzle here? There must be a lot of details you are leaving to other contractors to complete. how do you get your materials schedules? what do they look like on paper and you're 3d renders? structural framing views for the engineers? foundation layout's and elevations? how are you displaying these details - as in how they interconnect. I understand you can create a machine from a file and have another machine cut the parts but what happens with the contractors needing to see the plan to determine what materials to bid the project with. you just created these after the fact when they ask? does your rino software have materials specifications included when building? I only seek to learn more.
Hey bro, I know you and your team are experts and super qualified, but I guess your hint apply more to architects that are working with complex models... Maybe could get a hint to architects that are not dealing with complex fabrication, and doing more apartments, houses and stuff.. which one should be better? Archicad or Revit for people using rhino? Thanks a lot if you could answer!
Rhino has a BIM plugin for apartments named visualarq. So I think for all in one software rhino is great.
The framing of this video is fairly deceptive. You're not modelling a building, so much as modelling building components. For creating a set of construction documents, which is the typical output for an architecture office, BIM is a HUGE aid.
He looks familiar. I feel like i know him
How much similar is G code to GDL?
G-code is a machining language used by cnc machines to carve/cut/drill or to build parts. GDL - geometric description language is a programming language used for defining library objects in ArchiCAD. Nothing is similar between them apart from using numbers.
...try to produce plans and documentation with rhino...try to export ifc4 files for consultants and contractors...try to find architects that are able to use rhino for documentation...try rhino for scheduling...it is a nightmare because rhino is not made for that
nice perspective and good for you. you are in a niche field providing incomplete architectural services. does the builder use VR goggles to follow animations which are also generated automagically? the 2d work still needs to be done to be documented and understood by anyone other than a computer, and to integrate with the more traditionally designed and constructed portions of the projects. the drawings and workflows of the 'whole' architecture are happening on your projects but you happen to not be doing it. "going from 3d to 3d" happens when you are 3d-printing or assembling these structures with robots entirely. but way to aspire; it is the future, in the future. designing and making components this way, as you are clearly doing quite expertly, is at least half way there.
Well, that was unexpected, I though I was getting a showdown between ArchiCAD and Revit, only to be left wondering about my own workflow efficiencies
Hahahah, excellent outreach strategy, let's call it that, with this one!
Good thing I know that software! lol
Good Point !!. I see many Revit and Archicad fanboy here. They all should read Open Letter from Zaha Hadid Architects.
Most architecture firms can not afford Revit now...
You've popped my drafting bubble alittle bit. X_X
this video is entirely misleading
a small percentage of our projects is that complex and we need some other more intuitive software for daily-to-day projects...
and in some projects like infrastructures, hospitals, and big residential complexes, it is not about the beauty of the model it is about the data...
I think the only goal of this video is to sell rhino courses
Rhino is great and powerful but NOT on the data side
Time is short, choose whatever you want, but if you want to work in BIM rules, definitely you will need Revit or Archicad
work in andras rules, eh?
Do you have any job position available?
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All it's about is efficiency. regardless whatever software you're gonna use. The end goal is how fast you can make it to work to the end results.
100% agree
facts 100%
The engineering BOH of architecture....
Why University don't teach this
Rhino is a sub 300 mb software... Let's think about it too
this is pure basic core. add all the plug-ins, libraries etc needed for someone that doesn't write code for a living and do actual architectural design, you end up with tools, that is in use for general architectural practice today (archicad, revit, sketchup, allplan, vectorworks etc). yes, rhino is also used when more advanced nurbs/parametric work is needed etc, but it is definitely not main software in most architectural offices around the globe.
Rhino is goated
I don't think its an architect's job to generate G code for CNC machines. Usually, u send the model to the manufacturers and they generate their own G code. Its not the same code if you mill something on a 5-axis cnc, router on leasr cutter.
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I can't imagine a BIM process as described. As an architect, having to design from scratch at a BIM level of detail for a drill hole! As said in the video, the goal of BIM is collaboration between companies , not for a company to design everything in a single software. I don't think that is possible in reality. Imagine that a company assumes the entire of 2D drawing and 3D modeling, what would happen with legal and insurance responsibilities.
I'm not saying that the mentioned software is not good! But I don't know if anyone has had the experience of managing all levels and specialties of construction in a single software :/
Well... What and architect does, is to imagine, draw, and then gives the details and calculations of the screws sizes to a specialized engineer... This engineer can buy them, manufacture them, can program codes for them, hire a programmer to do it or net... he can have a CNC factory, or he can be a fan of golf or soccer... An architect does not give a sh**
There are some lies here. Revit can do complex parametric design and organize for production using Dynamo. It is not developed for CNC, I don't know why you mentioned it. Some other programs are created for that, and subcontractors use those based on their specialized activities.
Most of the stuff you code in general can already be made in Revit, also Revit supports plugins and you can make all of these calculations and code inside a single plugin.
Just like grasshopper, Revit has also Dynamo which is exactly the same
As an Architect and a Programmer I find pre defined objects and types in revit way way easier than rhino, walls, windows, etc all defined, can be edited and modified way easier
Your video only talks about huge and complex buildings, most architects in their entire life work on basic stuff, like residences and shops.
Yes it's okay to use other programs, whatever you prefer, I think learning multiple programs and find the fastest and most quality solution from each program is a key every architecture should learn
P.s I know a lot of programs, AutoCAD, Rhino, Revit, 3d Max and other programs Lumion for tender and for post production Photoshop
In modelling, the best program I found is Revit, idk about Archicad, but I always advise for Revit fast and reliable
Edit: I forgot to mention I have a friend who mastered rhino and grasshopper, he does a lot of great work, if you master something and you comfortable with it, just go for it
Another mention that learning coding and architecture is NOT easy, students barely able to learn good architecture let alone learning coding, logic, a lot of math and geometry
Edit 2: I do admire how YOU did to create this company and how it works, its amazing, I am not opposite to it, coding creates seamless patterns and results, but in the end that works for you, learning entire new way of architecture is way way harder, but for huge complex projects, your team is what made for, but complex projects in the end are rare af
Rhino + Grasshopper, SolidWorks, Catia, etc. These software are beyond the BIM system, they are much more advanced!
Maybe. And they are much more expensive I don't think you can pay for them.
@@archist9789 Rhino is the least expensive of them all! You pay it once and you have it forever! Catia and Solid, I don't have a clue about pricing, but I bet it's not expensive as Revit and Archicad! This BIM stuff is just a marketing fever! It's better to have a full parametric software like Rhino then a very limited and boring software like Revit.
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I know Rhino is cheap. I'm talking about Solidworks and Catia. We have 3 licenses for Catia. It's over 40,000 US dollar and Solidworks is about 9,000 US dollar. Don't get me wrong. I hate Revit and ArchiCAD. We love Rhino & Grasshopper. You need to move with correct data, however. You can't pay for them.
@@archist9789 Wow! I didn't know that about Catia! But I guess this is perpetual licence, no? Archicad is also very expensive as a perpetual licence! Even more than Vectorworks! I work with archiviz, I use mostly Sketchup, Cinema 4D and Corona and for me it's already expensive! Imagine using CATIA in 3 machines? This is too much!
''Rhino + Grasshopper, SolidWorks, Catia, etc. These software are beyond the BIM system, they are much more advanced!'' all the software you mentioned is not usefull for architects...architects deliver plans...parametric design and renderings are sidejobs mate....
Are you a licensed architect?
😂😂😂 I thought either one of the two in title you was using
I’ve recently started using Revit for the purposes of documenting somewhat mundane architectural projects after using rhino/grasshopper for about a decade. Revit is so shockingly undercooked- for every seemingly automated process it has two or three that involve so much manual tedious workflows it’s driving me mad. Anything involving putting things on sheets like door and window schedules and creating interior elevations with keynotes and tags is an extremely manual, tedious process requiring hundreds, if not thousands of hours, depending on the scale of the project. I’m going to explore Revit api just to be able to automate this (something that a very expensive commercial software somehow doesn’t do out of the box) but it’s going to be largely an off- time adventure not covered by current project costs. At present, using simple dumb brute force of a few employees working for a few months on these tasks far out-weights investing in automation of conventional architectural docs. This is a very large chunk of value of architecture as a profession (billable hours) of what architects actually do and it’s a very sad state of affairs.
Have you tried using Grasshopper to generate Revit components? It’s possible now with Rhino.Inside.Revit
If we didn't have any people, we really wouldn't need any drawings or houses then. You would just need a couple of people on the planet generating code. Until then, stay free :)
yeah but no, if you are an architect you need plans and sections. You do not need CNC codes... Rhino need a plugin to do plans and sections automatically
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I don't use any of the two. I last used Revit in 2014. I am a BIM Professional certified in Revit Architecture, but still struggling with the next step. How can you help me regain my career? "But I say, Did Israel not know? First Moses said, I will provoke them to jealousy with them that are no people and by a foolish nation I will anger them."(Romans 10:19).
*schools teach rhino but most offices actually use revit* 😂
First of all, I don't think the learning curve with a 3d modelling program, plus along with learning coding is straightforward. Unlike programs like Archicad, which I would put at the top of the list, it would be easier to learn even than Revit, as it was one of the first to start with smart blocks. The problem with Revit is that it has a lot of modules, the price to learn it is exorbitant, it is only for some and if you work for a company they might send you on a course.
Coding is not for everyone, you really have to like it. I don't think it will be long before IA solves a lot of these problems and leaves us out of the equation.
If you want fast results. Archicad is the best....then everything else that comes along or the rest.
If someone wants to get started with coding, I haven't tried it yet but for architects, privates or those who want to get into it I would recommend Grasshopper-Archicad. That this can be achieved in connection between Grasshopper in Rhino together with Archicad.
You are using data (instead of plan geometry) and automating processes. Even getting rid of unnecessary pars such as manual 2D. That is real BIM (managing information of buildings). ArchiCAD and Revit are most popular tools, and because of misuse or misunderstanding, BIM widely became a buzzword for 3D programs.
Neither
What you are doing is => You are not using Colgate rather your are making toothpaste from scratch. But still I here concepts of BIM infused in your workflow. A BIM is a concept/process not a software.
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Something to think about,,,
Zelenskyy ?hahaha
Not funny....Not at all....
Es malísimo este video, no dice nada
ne kadar gereksiz ve alakasız şeyler anlatmış. tamamen click bait video. bir saattir hangisi daha iyi onu söyleyecek diye bekliyorum ama bu video size hiç bir şey vermiyor. 9 dk boşa gitti :)
Ben de bekledim mal gibi hala hangisini öğrenmeliyiz karar da veremedim yorumlarda da revit daha mantikliymis gibi geldi ama bilemedim
How boring.
really nice video. congrats
Ok, it seems like you know what you are talking about, even though you haven't showed anything a professional can evaluate to really understand you you are something.
First, let me say I love rhino even thou I am a grave Revit users, and I often argue with many (I am the head of the BIM department and I decided the approach strategy, but I always talk to my team on what I am gonna do, and I am there to listen to their advice). So, with this being said, hurrey for Rhino and everything you said (mostly not said, but easy to guess for a professional), how the hell are you gonna clash detect? I mean, you didn't mention it and please enlighten myself, how? With rhino? You are missing one of the most crucial points here. I think I know why you didn't mention this, but it is your call to report it here.
Anyway, cool video, but totally not helpful, neither for a starter nor for a professional
In rhino you would use Boolean intersection tools to detect clashes. In grasshopper there’s a few components that allow for this and together with elefront plug-in you can get a list of specific elements and their properties. You can also write custom code with rhino api which is what I assume is being done here
@@andreis2504 assumptions? No man, name software and procedure so people can understand, refer to clash reports and so on and so forth. Talk about the gains over other methods, come on....easy as pie
@@ingabbateantonio completely agree with you here. I have never used Rhino, so seeing this video is fascinating, but also find it farcical... in the real world - or at least in how we work I cant see how this can work.
But again I haven't used Rhino, we use a CAD-Revit structure and I am totally open to workable alternatives/solutions. But seeing this video, Rhino doesn't seem like that!
After finishing this video.... my point is furthered by him talking about the fact that the future of BIM modeling is all done via text - everything is done by pre-determined code.... im not even going to comment on this. Absolute ludicrously
@@taylorwilliamson7853 I partially agree with you, and by this I mean, I believe a lot will be done by coding, but we are still far and rhino has loads of limitations. I do facade only with rhino and nothing else (the architectural part) but for everything else rhino would be a massive waste...the right tool for the right objective. Selling rhino and all the adds in as the holy grail is just unfair towards starters, for professionals is laughable....then to conclude, no one knows the future.