Good video man. I am going to bring up a point that few people talk about and that is how much you are able to practice with the firearm. If you can afford to shoot a 9 or 45 every week than do it. For me I can not drop $100 to $200 every time I go to the rang in ammo ,so I just shoot 22lr. It is fun and I don't feel I am being wasteful. I shoot around 200 - 400 rounds every week and that is a lot more practice with my firearm than most people get all year. That is my 2 cents. :)
That is my wife. Thing is im a bear of a man nobody really wants to mess with even unarmed, i also carry a ruger lcp 2 22 lr. It is just too easy to not carry.
the psychological stop section of your video is on point and something ive been considering for a long time. Thank you for composing this information into a well presented way
@@thomasj.harris5630 that's true but that's not the entire point. The question is, does .22 reliably end violent encounters. The evidence available suggests that it does do that as well as any other handgun caliber.
Yeah I know Rhett. He's done a lot of great work on demonstrating reliability of .22 in the right gun. It's been a long time since I've seen him. He's a very busy guy!
Well said and good presentation. You covered the most of the angles of it very well. What you talked about with the mrs with the lcp 380 struggling i went through with my wife when we decided to get our permits and start carrying. My wife being a relatively new shooter, i got her into shooting when we first started dating, but with long guns mostly, she had almost zero experience with the most challenging firearm there is to be accurate with, the handgun. In her lack of understanding of it she found a glock 23 i believe it was, might have been a 27 the itty bitty one chambered in .40 that she decided was going to be her carry gun having never shot it or anything like it. I tried to talk her out of it, not out of getting the gun if she liked it, but out of it being set in stone as her chosen edc. She wasnt having none of it tho, my pleas further cemented her decision. So we get this thing home and start working with it, and she was wild with it, groups in the general direction of the target with an occasional connection out of a couple magazines worth of shots. Roughly a 20 foot group at 10 yards or so. Just like when she started shooting rifles she was intimidated by it, even tho she had well conquered that fear of her 22 rifle, and then her 243 hunting rifle. We were starting all over with a pistol and she was turning her nose up at anything less intimidating than the smallest .40 cal ever made to learn on. After a while she found a m&p 380 that caught her fancy and she got better with it as she could stomach shooting it more than a few magazines and there was progress made, but was still not up to an acceptable standard of accuracy to defend life with. She was still intimidated by it. For a few years at this point i have pleaded for her to try a 22 pistol. I even brought her a ruger lcp 22 thinking it would be a fine training tool and if it proved reliable and managable for her would be a fine carry gun to start with. She had no intrest. So i started messing with it. I myself was having a hard time finding one that was small enough that i could carry comfortably enough i would actually carry it. Im a large guy and everything i tried was jabby in the car, or cumbersome in the shop. This little pocket pistol was exactly what i needed i learned through playing with it. It was not reliable out of the box. But it was stupid easy to carry and i could consistently ring my 6” gong in the back yard with it out to 40 yards. I am an engineer. So i figured out what was causing the reliability issues and fixed them. Tested the fool out of it to confirm it was indeed fixed all while getting better with it, and i started carrying it. A few years later my wife, frustrated with the lack of accuracy with the 40, and the 380, drags out my tx 22. She was immediately surprised at how easy it was to be far more accurate with snd how much more pleasant it was to shoot. It was a bit too large for her to carry tho, but she built confidence with it just out of volume. Taurus released the compact about this time as if they had been watching this all play out. They even built one that was pretty with an american flag that she immediately loved. That was what she carried for a while and still now and then as she got better with the fundamentals and built confidence. She is now starting to move up to more challenging ones, but she is decent now with what she carries. I can vouch the tx 22 is the most reliable semi auto 22 i have ever messed with. My ruger lcp had ate 8000 rounds of ammo since its last malfunction that wasnt caused by cheap bulk ammo i strictly use for plinking that is so often laced with a dud or two per brick. The 2000 federal punch it has ate has performed flawlessly. The 22 is grossly underestimated by most i do believe, i hope to never settle this debate definitively for us first hand, but for me personally it fits my needs perfectly and i feel no shame in saying that. In some ways im proud of it. We get caught up in the hype of so many things these days we often forget the basics can still do a fine job just as they have done for decades or even a century in some cases. I too have spent most of my life seeking the biggest, baddest, putting so much extra time and energy to take a harder path blindly past perfectly adequate.
I think a lot of us struggle in the same way as far as really wanting to make a certain gun work for us when it clearly isn't the right tool. I'm glad that you two have worked together to find something that works well.
ruger sr22 with cci minimags is my travel piece, for both plinking and protection. both the piece and ammo are consistently reliable, and accurate in my hands with all the cheap and easy practice. multiple quick icepick strikes on target at 650mph works for me.
@ wore out, wow. i have two sr22 pistols with 20,000 plus rounds thru them over 10 years and no problems. have you contacted ruger? it would make an instructive ideo. prewuhan flu most all 22lr ammo was largely ok, afterwards i only use cci.
The best presentation on this subject I've ever seen...fantastic. With new technology in modern ammunition, specifically .22 caliber. Rounds like Federal Punch or Winchester Silvertip in a handgun like a S&W 43c revolver I think you would have a good carry option. I have also carried a S&W .22 Compact semi auto. The ammunition and firearm have to work well together as well as the person being proficient with them.
@@bigbossman3806 yes, good ammo that works well in the gun and proficiency is key. .22 revolvers are pretty decent as far as revolvers go, especially considering the trigger pull is lighter for a revolver, easier to learn.
Very well thought out discussion. There are some other factors such as tactical deafness as well that are worth considering. For example a 44 special or 45 Colt may be just as effective as a hot 357 at lower pressure with less blast allowing you to hear what is happening better after the first shot. Also I favor having more than one gun on me for various reasons. I may have for example some combination of 44, 38, or 22 at hand. The tactics used with each are different. With the 22 I am generally going to be more likely to triple tap than with a 44. Generally I am a revolver guy but my 22 is a 16+1 auto. Since I won't be reloading for it I don't worry about chasing brass but the other reasons I went with this particular pistol is that (1) given the characteristics of the 22 capacity is more of an issue than it normally would be (2) the gun has a good reputation for reliability (3) the slide design is less susceptible to proximity failures than most autos and (4) it is a single action with full ambi controls. Carrying any two of these I have any where from 12 to over 50 rounds available pretty quickly and the less effective the rounds in question the more I have available. It seems like a good compromise especially since I don't live in a war zone.
I'm hoping that S&W puts out their new Bodyguard 2.0 chambered in 22LR. I currently have a TX22 for plinking, but it's just too bulky for me to use as a EDC... For now, for my needs, it's either my 9mm or my new BG2.0 in .380 for EDC... BTW, the reason I want a 22LR for EDC is the bang. Anything other than a .22 is a hearing killer without ear pro.
@@lm205 not much evidence to support a real concern in real world self defense, especially with hollow points. Any round can over penetrate, but bullet design and construction gets better over time.
Penetration is an interesting thing. I have seen low pressure 38 specials penetrate farther than certain relatively hot 44 magnums. Bullet design and mass are critical factors and often (but not always) increasing velocity reduces penetration.
@@GunsForEveryoneIsaac i have tried the same post 5 times and it keeps getting deleted ... Nothing is dirty or bad, it just keeps getting deleted as if they dont like it
@@GunsForEveryoneIsaac Lets try again and i will word it as best as i can ... I want to see if THIS message sticks then i will come back and EDIT in my comment, if they dont like it, they will delete the entire message so keep an eye out for before and after ... EDIT: so its been on for 30 seconds so it was not deleted so here goes. If you use a 22LR in self defense, you will be "charged" for it, that place you go to, to defend yourself where there will be 12 people and the main "person" and the 2 attorneys, the state prosecutor will see that you used the smallest caliber possible and that looks better on you. LETS SEE IF SOMETHING IN THE COMMENT TRIGGERED THEM TO ERASE IT ..
Yeah, correct gun is the biggest concern. There's specialty .22 self defense ammo and for the cost I don't think it's a bad idea. But I think overall, the biggest concern is the reliability and shootability.
@@JamesWilliamson-w8y I'd be very surprised if that was true. Do you have a source? Also, most firearm fatalities are suicides, so if your data is based on that figure, I'd say the data is not relevant, or very narrowly relevant.
Yep. I certainly wouldnt recommend it. But its better than being the victi.. also a bad guy isnt gonba ask you what caliber your pointing at them. They will see a gun and assume the wirse
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P17 and lcr22 are great 22lr carry options
Good video man. I am going to bring up a point that few people talk about and that is how much you are able to practice with the firearm. If you can afford to shoot a 9 or 45 every week than do it. For me I can not drop $100 to $200 every time I go to the rang in ammo ,so I just shoot 22lr. It is fun and I don't feel I am being wasteful. I shoot around 200 - 400 rounds every week and that is a lot more practice with my firearm than most people get all year. That is my 2 cents. :)
That little lady buys a Taurus gen2 tx22, which is 13+1 rounds, and easy to shoot, i ain't messing with her...
@@JohnPublic-dk7zd exactly. I've seen a few old ladies whoop ass in defensive pistol classes with the tx22
That is my wife. Thing is im a bear of a man nobody really wants to mess with even unarmed, i also carry a ruger lcp 2 22 lr. It is just too easy to not carry.
For folks getting their comments deleted, do what I do..I intentionally mis-spell certain words to screw up the AI bot. Works about 95% of the time.
the psychological stop section of your video is on point and something ive been considering for a long time. Thank you for composing this information into a well presented way
@@wfd1234567 thanks man, glad it was helpful. Do you remember where you first encountered that information?
Any caliber can be deadly
@@thomasj.harris5630 that's true but that's not the entire point. The question is, does .22 reliably end violent encounters. The evidence available suggests that it does do that as well as any other handgun caliber.
@@GunsForEveryoneIsaac, I agree with you. If I'm not carrying my 9mm or 38 special, I carry my snub-nosed 22 loaded with Federal Punch.
Demonatrated Concepts (Rhett) is also in Colorado and also promotes 22lr carry... would love to see a collab
Yeah I know Rhett. He's done a lot of great work on demonstrating reliability of .22 in the right gun. It's been a long time since I've seen him. He's a very busy guy!
Well said and good presentation. You covered the most of the angles of it very well. What you talked about with the mrs with the lcp 380 struggling i went through with my wife when we decided to get our permits and start carrying. My wife being a relatively new shooter, i got her into shooting when we first started dating, but with long guns mostly, she had almost zero experience with the most challenging firearm there is to be accurate with, the handgun. In her lack of understanding of it she found a glock 23 i believe it was, might have been a 27 the itty bitty one chambered in .40 that she decided was going to be her carry gun having never shot it or anything like it. I tried to talk her out of it, not out of getting the gun if she liked it, but out of it being set in stone as her chosen edc. She wasnt having none of it tho, my pleas further cemented her decision. So we get this thing home and start working with it, and she was wild with it, groups in the general direction of the target with an occasional connection out of a couple magazines worth of shots. Roughly a 20 foot group at 10 yards or so. Just like when she started shooting rifles she was intimidated by it, even tho she had well conquered that fear of her 22 rifle, and then her 243 hunting rifle. We were starting all over with a pistol and she was turning her nose up at anything less intimidating than the smallest .40 cal ever made to learn on. After a while she found a m&p 380 that caught her fancy and she got better with it as she could stomach shooting it more than a few magazines and there was progress made, but was still not up to an acceptable standard of accuracy to defend life with. She was still intimidated by it. For a few years at this point i have pleaded for her to try a 22 pistol. I even brought her a ruger lcp 22 thinking it would be a fine training tool and if it proved reliable and managable for her would be a fine carry gun to start with. She had no intrest. So i started messing with it. I myself was having a hard time finding one that was small enough that i could carry comfortably enough i would actually carry it. Im a large guy and everything i tried was jabby in the car, or cumbersome in the shop. This little pocket pistol was exactly what i needed i learned through playing with it. It was not reliable out of the box. But it was stupid easy to carry and i could consistently ring my 6” gong in the back yard with it out to 40 yards. I am an engineer. So i figured out what was causing the reliability issues and fixed them. Tested the fool out of it to confirm it was indeed fixed all while getting better with it, and i started carrying it. A few years later my wife, frustrated with the lack of accuracy with the 40, and the 380, drags out my tx 22. She was immediately surprised at how easy it was to be far more accurate with snd how much more pleasant it was to shoot. It was a bit too large for her to carry tho, but she built confidence with it just out of volume. Taurus released the compact about this time as if they had been watching this all play out. They even built one that was pretty with an american flag that she immediately loved. That was what she carried for a while and still now and then as she got better with the fundamentals and built confidence. She is now starting to move up to more challenging ones, but she is decent now with what she carries. I can vouch the tx 22 is the most reliable semi auto 22 i have ever messed with. My ruger lcp had ate 8000 rounds of ammo since its last malfunction that wasnt caused by cheap bulk ammo i strictly use for plinking that is so often laced with a dud or two per brick. The 2000 federal punch it has ate has performed flawlessly. The 22 is grossly underestimated by most i do believe, i hope to never settle this debate definitively for us first hand, but for me personally it fits my needs perfectly and i feel no shame in saying that. In some ways im proud of it. We get caught up in the hype of so many things these days we often forget the basics can still do a fine job just as they have done for decades or even a century in some cases. I too have spent most of my life seeking the biggest, baddest, putting so much extra time and energy to take a harder path blindly past perfectly adequate.
I think a lot of us struggle in the same way as far as really wanting to make a certain gun work for us when it clearly isn't the right tool. I'm glad that you two have worked together to find something that works well.
ruger sr22 with cci minimags is my travel piece, for both plinking and protection. both the piece and ammo are consistently reliable, and accurate in my hands with all the cheap and easy practice. multiple quick icepick strikes on target at 650mph works for me.
My SR22 was pretty reliable, but picky with ammo. And parts wore out faster. Still a great gun.
@ wore out, wow. i have two sr22 pistols with 20,000 plus rounds thru them over 10 years and no problems. have you contacted ruger? it would make an instructive ideo. prewuhan flu most all 22lr ammo was largely ok, afterwards i only use cci.
Really good breakdown. Thanks for doing this.
Thanks man
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The best presentation on this subject I've ever seen...fantastic. With
new technology in modern ammunition, specifically .22 caliber. Rounds like Federal Punch or Winchester Silvertip in a handgun like a S&W 43c revolver I think you would have a good carry option. I have also carried a S&W .22 Compact semi auto. The ammunition and firearm have to work well together as well as the person being proficient with them.
@@bigbossman3806 yes, good ammo that works well in the gun and proficiency is key. .22 revolvers are pretty decent as far as revolvers go, especially considering the trigger pull is lighter for a revolver, easier to learn.
Very well thought out discussion. There are some other factors such as tactical deafness as well that are worth considering. For example a 44 special or 45 Colt may be just as effective as a hot 357 at lower pressure with less blast allowing you to hear what is happening better after the first shot.
Also I favor having more than one gun on me for various reasons. I may have for example some combination of 44, 38, or 22 at hand. The tactics used with each are different. With the 22 I am generally going to be more likely to triple tap than with a 44.
Generally I am a revolver guy but my 22 is a 16+1 auto. Since I won't be reloading for it I don't worry about chasing brass but the other reasons I went with this particular pistol is that (1) given the characteristics of the 22 capacity is more of an issue than it normally would be (2) the gun has a good reputation for reliability (3) the slide design is less susceptible to proximity failures than most autos and (4) it is a single action with full ambi controls.
Carrying any two of these I have any where from 12 to over 50 rounds available pretty quickly and the less effective the rounds in question the more I have available. It seems like a good compromise especially since I don't live in a war zone.
I'm hoping that S&W puts out their new Bodyguard 2.0 chambered in 22LR. I currently have a TX22 for plinking, but it's just too bulky for me to use as a EDC... For now, for my needs, it's either my 9mm or my new BG2.0 in .380 for EDC... BTW, the reason I want a 22LR for EDC is the bang. Anything other than a .22 is a hearing killer without ear pro.
@@crabjoe there's been a real drought of available .22 revolvers. It's too bad. Hopefully that will change soon.
Concerning overpenetration with 9mm, that has nudged me toward 380 and 22, what are your thoughts on the overpenetration issue?
@@lm205 not much evidence to support a real concern in real world self defense, especially with hollow points. Any round can over penetrate, but bullet design and construction gets better over time.
Penetration is an interesting thing. I have seen low pressure 38 specials penetrate farther than certain relatively hot 44 magnums. Bullet design and mass are critical factors and often (but not always) increasing velocity reduces penetration.
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Try again? That's weird man, I've had it happen to me too.
@@GunsForEveryoneIsaac i have tried the same post 5 times and it keeps getting deleted ...
Nothing is dirty or bad, it just keeps getting deleted as if they dont like it
@@GunsForEveryoneIsaac Lets try again and i will word it as best as i can ... I want to see if THIS message sticks then i will come back and EDIT in my comment, if they dont like it, they will delete the entire message so keep an eye out for before and after ...
EDIT: so its been on for 30 seconds so it was not deleted so here goes.
If you use a 22LR in self defense, you will be "charged" for it, that place you go to, to defend yourself where there will be 12 people and the main "person" and the 2 attorneys, the state prosecutor will see that you used the smallest caliber possible and that looks better on you.
LETS SEE IF SOMETHING IN THE COMMENT TRIGGERED THEM TO ERASE IT ..
there are people who know how to shoot and end up snipers, and than there is the rest for which the machine gun was invented...
With the correct gun and best quality 22 ammo I agree it is a good defense method.
Yeah, correct gun is the biggest concern. There's specialty .22 self defense ammo and for the cost I don't think it's a bad idea. But I think overall, the biggest concern is the reliability and shootability.
In the USA over 50% of all firearm fatalities involve a .22LR. Nuff said.
@@JamesWilliamson-w8y I'd be very surprised if that was true. Do you have a source? Also, most firearm fatalities are suicides, so if your data is based on that figure, I'd say the data is not relevant, or very narrowly relevant.
Shooting something and defending against somebody is two different things
Agree, but the data shows that in a civilian fight, the bad guy doesn't really care what caliber is being used.
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@@James-Johnson313 thanks AI for your bullshit comment.
@@GunsForEveryoneIsaac Unliked an unsubscribed. My comment wasn't BS. Good luck with your channel.
I didnt know jason lee was a 2A guy...
@@Mister-sm1hs that's funny. In probably 2 ft shorter than him, lol
@GunsForEveryoneIsaac great video btw really great analysis
Bruh I’d rather have a 22 than nothing…
Yep. I certainly wouldnt recommend it. But its better than being the victi.. also a bad guy isnt gonba ask you what caliber your pointing at them. They will see a gun and assume the wirse
Paul Harrell said he'd rather have a. 22 lr over a sharp stick or a rock because a 22lr is better than nothing.
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@@GunsForEveryoneIsaac Almost every other comment i post gets DELETED and some give me a 24 hr ban .....
i don't know WTF i am posting that is against UA-cam policy that deserves a comment removal and or 24 hr ban ...
i have DOZENS of videos showing this on my channel
@@GunsForEveryoneIsaac yep STILL ...
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MOST of my comments are deleted, i make video's everytime they are deleted and when i get banned for 24 hrs
That's weird. I can promise you, I do not delete any comments, never have and never will. I don't know why that's happening for you.
@@GunsForEveryoneIsaac I’m probably too pro 2A for UA-cam. It’s not you.
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