On the Next Episode of -Drago- -I mean Tech YES City: The BEST New Hexacore CPU Goes Up Against The BEST Used Hexacore CPU! Who will win this price-performance battle? Who will take home the crown? Who will collect all seven dragonballs? Stay tuned, Tech YES Citizens! Don't touch that -dia- -I mean mouse!
2:17 The lucky part of being a viewer is that I get all this awesome info for free and I don't even have to lift a finger to do the work! You provide an amazing service.
To true, I was considering buying a 3500X to benchmark it because I wasn't happy with what I was reading (to much variation) but getting stuck with a £100 CPU didn't appeal. Now, with this video I have all my benchmarks done for me, close enough for me anyway. A 2700X is going to be fine against a 3500X so I am not going to get hammered by people undercutting me by £40.
bruh i have r3 2200g and i did bend a lot of pins by acident and later on i bend them back with a butterfly knife so yea i would say they r quite sturdy =))
@Kenz0 If you are going that route B450 mobo --> MSI tomahawk PSU --> cx 550 RAM--> Trident z 8x2 3200MHz Cooler--> hyper 212 black This is what i am using with my 3600 Still i would get a 2600 in place of 3500 as it has 6 more threads which will be helpful for rendering and encoding
You should have way more viewers then you have you always do a good job and make things easy to follow with any experience level..........Always a great job ;)
Hi guys i need some help so i want to build a new pc but i am unsure here which will perform better etc can you help? Option 1: Cpu: Ryzen 5 3400G Ram: 8gig DDR4 2666mhz Mobo B450M GPU:Vega 11 HDD: Seagate Barracude 500gig PSU:Corsair CX650 Option 2: CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 RAM: 16gig DDR4 2666mhz GPU:Radeon R7 240 2gig MOBO:B450 Pro HDD: 512gig SSD upto 550mb/s PSU: standard 400W(I can upgrade later when i upgrade my GPU) the R5 3600 setup will cost me a tiny bit more but i am unsure cause i don't know which will perform better in games?
You mention buying on Alliexpress quite a bit. Could you perhaps do a current video on the best way to shop on there? I have never bought from there from concern of not knowing the best vendors, etc... Thanks so much!
Being from South East Asia myself, I leaned towards AliExpress recently this year for their cheap shipping. Of course, I was also skeptical so I'm still sticking to smaller purchases, like the wealth of affordable OEM keycap sets, keyboard coiled cables, 60% Keyboards like the Anne Pro 2 (which I think is a local Chinese brand anyway [Obins]) etc. So far, no issue for me. I stuck to the vendors with more reviews, the way I do with Amazon.
The easy way is to fillter free shipping and ascendent order so you can compare. Also put an eye on the reviews bc sometimes vendors sell bad units cheaper
My best tip is when you look at ratings, , select the 1 star ones and read them carefully. Too often ive been disappointed by a product with only 5 star ratings of 1000+ , people really are clueless . Also dont buy random cheap usb sticks they are 100% a scam ... while 99% of ratings of thousands ppl are positive, the usbs are 10000% fraud . Reviews are FAKE , after testing them i went to read the few negative reviews and it became clear i shouldve done this sooner. GL
Look at the numbers of orders and reviews. If the guy sold hundreds/thousands of CPUs and if the CPU has a lot of reviews, that 99.9% of the time means the product is ok. But remember, if you find a seller who sells way cheaper than others and you think it's too good to be true, it probably is.
Which is why they won't I think. I can't see where it fits in the UK (if I was AMD). Let them buy up Zen+ stock, the APU, or the 3600 would be my attitude. I wonder if rather than the 3500X what we might see at some point id the 3500G. So a 6 core APU based around the 3500- but then what price? Already (UK) I can get a 3600 for £170 0n a good day so what would a 3500G sell at. Is anyone going to pay say £220 for an APU?
@@veeclash4157 AMD wants people in rich countries to buy the more expensive 3600 instead of the 3500X. AMD will earn less profit if lots of people who would have bought the 3600, instead decide to buy the 3500X. It's about profits, not about obsoletion.
I love you for basing your prices on Ali Express instead of Amazon or NewEgg, this just shows how much you care about your international Tech yes citizens unlike other tech channels that focus more on their U.S viewers most of the time, Thank you kindly.
Yes but he also ignores the fact that Ali is pants for us, the shipping and duties/taxes are very different. Just an example bevcause it is real, I bought an Atom Pi from the USA to UK and by the time I get it then it has gone from about $35 to £70! That is taxes and shipping. I imported from Aus, even with a bit of dodgy, I still ended up with about £30% taxes and shipping. Not beating the guy up about it but everyone needs top consider those prices because they don't translate- in fact people can help him out, if they have the prices for their region stick them up in comments. What makes total sense in say NZ will make no sense at all in Germany. In the UK you can get lucky as the vendor will mis-value, but if it goes missing you just lost that 'widget' that was actually £500 worth of IT (and of course you are technically a criminal). In the UK if it isn't via the EU then the prices are eye-watering. Going back to those AToms, even if I imported 100 I still would have had to sell them about £70 to make a few £ profit. The much better Latte Panda can be had for less than £90 as it has come via Germany- although all the extras don't so you can get hammered on those.
@@mobarakjama5570 I make the point it isn't his fault when I say "Not beating the guy up about it" because he can't cover all the eventualities. It is too complex, that is why I suggest it would be good if people do it for him. A great deal for someone in NZ might make no sense in France for example, because of taxes. I know AUS has really low import taxes compared to the UK so importing from China makes lots of sense- but in the UK it is painful to import outside of the EU.
@@techyescity as much as I'd love that, I'm not sure if there would be enough viewers for it to be a standalone video in its own right. I was thinking may be just a few of your choice tacked on at the end that were more "real world" (e.g. something that you would do for one of your shorter videos 8-15mins long). may be someone who is looking to get into video editing and streaming whilst still primarily gaming
Hi guys i need some help so i want to build a new pc but i am unsure here which will perform better etc can you help? Option 1: Cpu: Ryzen 5 3400G Ram: 8gig DDR4 2666mhz Mobo B450M GPU:Vega 11 HDD: Seagate Barracude 500gig PSU:Corsair CX650 Option 2: CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 RAM: 16gig DDR4 2666mhz GPU:Radeon R7 240 2gig MOBO:B450 Pro HDD: 512gig SSD upto 550mb/s PSU: standard 400W(I can upgrade later when i upgrade my GPU) the R5 3600 setup will cost me a tiny bit more but i am unsure cause i don't know which will perform better in games?
Watching a 570 really push an i5 4590 to it's limits recently, I'm pretty sure the 860k would be a pretty hard bottleneck on a 570. Also, this 3500X seems like a pretty interesting CPU. You're right, it's nuts they're not offering it to retail.
Hi guys i need some help so i want to build a new pc but i am unsure here which will perform better etc can you help? Option 1: Cpu: Ryzen 5 3400G Ram: 8gig DDR4 2666mhz Mobo B450M GPU:Vega 11 HDD: Seagate Barracude 500gig PSU:Corsair CX650 Option 2: CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 RAM: 16gig DDR4 2666mhz GPU:Radeon R7 240 2gig MOBO:B450 Pro HDD: 512gig SSD upto 550mb/s PSU: standard 400W(I can upgrade later when i upgrade my GPU) the R5 3600 setup will cost me a tiny bit more but i am unsure cause i don't know which will perform better in games?
Yeah ryzen 1200 37€ aliexpress A refurbished am4 motherboard of amazon, and some cheap ddr4 of aliexpress or amazon (for me amazon is cheaper if you find the right deal) Great 60fps gaming pc
Erik Britz the 3400g should perform better, especially if you can find some faster ram, as those APUs really benefit from 3000+MHz ram, and ideally 16gb, as you can give more ram to the integrated graphics while keeping enough system memory for more intensive applications
i have the x4 860k on my system. the cpu is fine for light gaming such as csgo and simple multi-tasking. but you really start to see the diminishing return when you play games like rainbow six siege which is pretty hard on cpu at high frames(50% gpu usage at 60fps, cpu on 100%). it also goes the same if you play mmorpg. the low single thread performance just won't cut it. you will experience a lot of stutters. you can still game on an entirely gpu-bound titles tho. that being said, i can't live without my mmorpg and siege, so i'm getting myself a 3600. hope this helps!
Thank you for doing this. I ordered a 3500x as it seems to be the best choice for the $$$ ($128 delivered). I have a r5 1600 running at 3850mhz and it does really well, it never gets over 68 deg C on the Tcntl/Tdie measure on hw monitor after 100% use while rendering for 8 minutes straight and I hope the 3500x will do the same, while getting better frame rates on my XFX rx5700 ($330 on amazon). Anyway thanks a lot for the direction and information on it.
Excellent video, like always. But I like to see all the settings you choose for red dead redemption 2, because I really like the fps numbers that we saw with that card and all of this cpus.
Would be cool to see hyperthreading turn off on the 3600 just to see if MT has anything to do with it cos there’s quite a decent different between the chips.
3500X seems like a great CPU, I am surprised they didn't make it a retail product as well! I am doing a build for a friend and went with the Gigabyte B450 DS3H for $59.99 Amazon Prime. Wouldn't it usually be best to just look for a B450 on sale over any A320 if you can get the B450 for around $5 to $10 more? Or are there A320 boards that are actually better than a lower end B450? (not including niche brands - sticking with ASUS, Asrock, MSI, Gigabyte, etc.) Cheers Mate!
If you later want to be able to run a 3950X on it or such, the MSI B450 Tomahawk is a great choice. The VRM on it is great. Hardware Unboxed did a good review on that.
Wow, what a great budget gaming option for Zen 2! Ultra budget systems w/ CPUs that perform on par w/ high-end gaming options and allow for EXCELLENT upgradability for both graphics w/out bottleknecking and better, larger core-count/multi-threaded Zen2 and Zen 3 CPUs w/ socket AM4! Just excellent. Keep this nice and quiet on aliexpress... No need for a $150 mainstream release.
Great video, too bad theres no BF5 or SOTR test to see if SMT was worth it or not for gaming. Now that I think about it, wouldnt be great to test the R5 2600/3600 with SMT off too?
What currency? $118 he showed is USD (USA), cheapest I found for me is $157(CPU only)-$160 (retail box with cooler) CAD (Canada) Boxed: m.aliexpress.com/item/4000278090779.html?pid=808_0000_0101&spm=a2g0n.search-amp.list.4000278090779&aff_trace_key=c1ee253b809f413c97dfbed7108e0eda-1575095416849-06215-Fvw6DDOY&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=7888amp-dMgCHJDg4o_3nf9jGka_Bg1575531143814
@@letto18 In USD :) pl.aliexpress.com/item/4000298707708.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.79f86dc3cSZgUP&algo_pvid=932057a2-8730-45ae-bb38-5cf8521a4198&algo_expid=932057a2-8730-45ae-bb38-5cf8521a4198-0&btsid=33b33750-097b-41e5-8e1a-8a72deea8e8c&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_9,searchweb201603_55
I don't think I'd be willing to sacrifice 6 threads for the sake of 10% higher fps. Then again I build my PCs for multi-purpose. 3D rendering, programming & gaming.
@@user-vb3kn6ur3s define "normal". Rendering loves cores. The more, the better unless you're using some ancient CPU with slow cores like FX processors. For programming, you need fast RAM and a fast CPU. You don't need as many cores as rendering does but you'll want fast cores. It's all about compiling speed.
dang my friend just built his first PC super budget. he got the 2600X for 119 on black friday sale. probably couldn't wait for 3500X but it would've been a great alternative since he wants to edit some photos on it and that higher IPC would be valuable!
I ordered a 2600 from Ali Express about a week ago. Upgrading from my 1500X and repurposing the 1500X in a gaming build for a friend for christmas. Just waiting on delivery. Hopefully it gets here (Scotland) in time!
I'm actually quite shocked at how much performance is lost with SMT on. To the point where I feel that those number seem unlikely be right, specially the minimum fps (where I'd really rather have seen some 1% and 0.1% low numbers instead). I'm curious. Did you do any sort of validating with those numbers? Such as testing other motherboards with those CPU's, or turning off SMT with the 2600 and 3600, to see if SMT is actually the reason, and not something else? :) Other than that, I agree that it's a real shame that the 3500X aren't available through regular retail channels. Personally i wouldn't risk buying it on Ali Express (too much risk of it never showing up, and too many extra import duties attached, where I'm from), but if i could get it retail, i would probably consider it for a smaller budget build.
I am picking CPU intense benchmarks, except for strange brigade, so I am not surprised at all, I can cross test on different mobos and what not sure, but having the 9400F perform in a similar ball park to the 3500x kind of already confirms it.
@@techyescity You may be right. It's just strange behavior, that i can't recall having seen in other review videos either, though to be fair, i haven't looked at any to confirm, and it's been a little while since i last saw a comparative review between these midrange offerings. :)
Hey love the videos! I would have liked some footage of gameplay with the 3500x to know how games will utilize it. My i5-7500 gets about 80%~ utilization playing fallout 4 on 1080p 144fps with a RX 5700 non xt
I wish you had tested at least one game with 3600 and SMT off. If you do an update or similar video can you throw in 3600, 3900/3950 SMT off. Maybe "SMT Off Shootout" video!
i follow linus, bitwit, jayztwocents, etc and this is the most informative video ive seen in a long time. Awesome. I was going to go with either an i7 ori9 or 3800x for my current build but after watching this I think I may save a few dollars and go with the 3500x!
Great video. you made me aware that the smt off on 3rd gen ryzen helps in games. seeing your results made me look over others videos witch comfirmed that smt off in games on average is faster than on, if only by a small margin.
@@techyescity Mayor Bryan! I just received the election results from our latest mayoral election. You won with 99.9999% of the vote. Congratulations The only one who didn't vote for you was some guy who has a hard-on for disliking the video as soon as it goes online.
Bryan - if you still have all the CPUs, then maybe a general topic among the lines of "Ryzen 3000 for gaming - SMT ON vs OFF" where you can show all the 3000 series CPU with the setting both off and on, and get some nice conclusion about the cache and SMT influence on FPS. I know this is a lot of work, but if not you - then who? ;)
@John Hooper I think it depends - I've seen some videos where disabling HT gained performance - probably some games are not optimized for more than 3-4 cores or so, but the cache makes difference. Anyways, I would like to see this experiment.
The only concern I have is smoothness. Games are getting more and more multi-threaded and lower-threaded CPU's are hitting more stutters. I've heard this was a problem with the i5 9400f. Now, I'm one of those abominable people who only uses his PC for games (someone most reviewers pretend don't exist), so I'm actually really interested in this CPU. I've been trying to decide between the 2600, 2600x, or 3600. This 3500x really throws a wrench in all that because of how cheap it is. Not sure where to go from here. Just wondering if the lack of threads hurts it *at all* games.
0:43 No man, they are actually sold at retail. I live in India and Ryzen 5 3500 is sold locally through shops. Ryzen 5 3500x is higher clocked variant and sold in China only. I think CPUs are only meant to be sold in the Asian markets.
Great video as usually. But please do remember that you do NOT need an older Ryzen cpu to upgrade the BIOS, you can use any cheap AMD Bristol Ridge CPU for that process.
Pricing here in the Philippines is good. The Ryzen 5 2600 is really on a good price point right now. I bought 1 just last month to replace my age old i5-2400. Although I didn't pair it with a B series motherboard but I still went with a decent board w/c is the Asus EX-A320M-Gaming. It's a bit of an unusual board since it's an A320 chipset but has 4 DIMM slots and has Aura Sync. I don't intend on overclocking that's why I went with an A320 board and the CPU+Board only cost me 189 USD shipped ($127 on the processor) so I would call that a pretty good deal. And as for the RAM I went with HyperX Fury 8GB x2 DDR4-2666 CL16 that set me back $70 ($35 per stick). I think I went with the wrong RAM although it's still decent but I only realized a few weeks after that the TForce Elite RGB 16GB x2 8GB DDR4-3200 kit only costs $77 shipped I would've gone with that one.
Please test productivity workloads, curious if this can be a cheap upgrade from my 2600 since I do only gaming these days but light video editing every now and then.
You offer a 3 month guarantee on your pcs and I respect that. But let's say a component clonks out in 4 or 5 months and the buyer contacts you what would you do or has this happened before?
Usually always happy to help people out, actually never had a 4 month scenario, if there is a problem it surprisingly always happens within a week, or after a year something went faulty and I just replace it for the parts cost.
@@techyescity Respect Bryan thanks for answering! I have gotten into flipping pcs and am not sure if I should offer a warranty. I'm just doing it on a small scale and won't really have spare parts for replacements if something would happen.
@@yarchieduke I usually find that guaranteeing it, even for a bit, helps you sell it for a higher price for very little extra risk. That was my experience when I flipped PCs in Canada. In the long run it helps profits.
Hey Brian! Could you make a video comparing these CPUs and maybe adding the 2700x & 3700x for streaming/recording while playing games? I'm wondering if it's worth to get those 12 threads on the 3600 for streaming over the 3500x. Or just saving my money altogether and buying a 3700x.
So would you recommend the 2600 over the 3500x if multitasking and some light editing like photo shop and rendering are gonna be my main goal over gaming? Or is the zen 2 architecture worth it? Im gonna get a b450 mobo either way so i just need to decide witch cpu to get.
i took the 2600 cause i want to utilize the extra threads later on for light video editing.If i wanted more i would have gone 2700x but im happy with my purchase as there's little difference between cpu's other than 1080p on 1440p it gets even out
Hi there Bryan, and lovely community here, I have a CM Hyper 103 cooler what bracket should I use to convert it to a AM4 platform builds, since the cooler is almost brand new, and would it be good to pair to 3500X ?
I'm satisfied with the RYZEN 5 2600 for the time being, since I game and create mods (and use different kinds of mods). Its in an almost similar demand as a streamer. To say the least I am future proofed to have up to RYZEN 5 3600X as my selection with the ASUS PRIME X370 Pro which is I am good. But I am happy that AMD made sure we have more options for many users and the 3500X is a welcome addition to the family.
The Athlon 860K is of another socket ... FM2+ not AM3 .. So your suggestion to use an FX cpu is not viable since he said he already has that cpu so i am guessing he also has an FM2 motherboard ... Other than that keep up the good work ;)
i was never sold on upgrading to the 3600 from the 2600. the 3500X is a very interesting product, sort of like a gaming focused alternative for the Ryzen 5 line up.
That's pretty nice really considering the price - I've got a 2600 OC'd to 4.1Ghz and it seems pretty decent for now, but I'll probably wait until the 3700X drops dramatically in price or there's some used bargains to be had. Not worth upgrading for a mere 15%
Built my 12 year old daughter a 2600 build for 600 through micro center. 2600/rx 580, 16 gb 3200 ram, 1tb inland ssd, 650w psu, lian li 205 case. Baller system for Xmas.
Im currently in a situation where these are my options. Prices available to me here converted to dollars. r5 2600 used $100, r5 3500x used $110, r5 3600 used $144, r5 4650g new $153. After watching this video I am thinking should definitely get the 3500x over the 3600 and 2600 but I have the 4650g option also. I currently have everything for the system except cpu and gpu. b450m mortar max, 2x8gb 3600mhz cl17, 500gb ssd and 500watt silverston psu. I plan to pair with the 1650super in my main system when I get a new gpu. I am still waiting till brand new gpu prices go down because the prices are terrible here new and used prices. So leaning towards the 4650g because I dont have enough to buy the gpu yet and also it will be brand new with warranty. Would it be worth it the $43 more?
I think I paid more, but my i5 9600k with a nice Kraken x62 easy 5 ghz and stable 5.2 ghz, but I use on 5 ghz. I bought it second hand for 200 USD worth currency in my country with a Asrock Fatality Z370 mini ITX motherboard and I paired with 2x8GB 3000mhz CL16 memory. Later bought my RTX 2080 Super, but still doesn't feel the urge to upgrade. I will wait what Intel drops next year or what will be the next AMD architecture and I will buy what is better, if 6 core holds until they releases, If not I'll go with a Ryzen 7 3700x.
@@rnkp9389 Thanks :) I was wondering about the pricing of a new one. Converted that's like $157 so I guess most people would rather go for the used ones from Aliexpress
@@Bareego yeah well taxes and all ..but still i was wondering how much performance difference will we get between it and 3500x considering the low cache
i think we"re at a point where performance has basically peaked and your not going to get much more with a new cpu AND its really not worth the upgrade right now once there is a bigger difference with an upgrade to a newer cpu, right now 4-14% is not enough for me to upgrade ill stick with my 2600 for now
I know i'm being pedantic, but the feature you call PBO is actually called Precision Boost. PBO is an overclocking feature and it is useless on ryzen 2000 non-x cpus; you should manually overclock those
upgrade to 3500(x) or 3600 only when you just have a terrible 1600(x) cannot overclock over 4.0ghz , and keep your 2600(x) and oc with it only upgrade to 3700x/3900x though. Great test there man, i love to see low latency ram rather than high latency high bus speed
To be clear there's Precision Boost 2 (PB2) and Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO), so PBO2 doesn't really exist. I think enabling PBO voids the warranty but at these prices does it matter? It would've been nice to see a manual overclock since some 3600's can overclock beyond their rated boost clocks, so maybe the 3500X could do the same.
Been doing cpu OC on my MSi A320M for quite a while now, maybe an in depth guide would be good! :) Would love to see how much can these budget boards do!
Yes it is the OC board that I used to OC my proc. This board specifically: www.msi.com/Motherboard/A320M-PRO-VDS-V2 Though, I didn't OC that much since it is quite a cheap board to begin with with no VRM heatsinks. But I think it should be able to handle a mild OC since it is rated to run the 1800x at stock (as per advertisement). I am looking forward for this Gigabyte board as well: www.gigabyte.com/ph/Motherboard/GA-A320M-S2H-V2-rev-11#kf I can say that this would be the cheapest A320 board right now with B350 Chipset so this one might be able to handle iGPU OC for APUs, might be good for budget builds!
@@johncliffordcarino2445 And comes in at just shy of £50 so worth a play with maybe the new Athlon and of course the old Ryzens. I don’t really need any more PCs, need to sell some, but I do like to play
What's the difference between PBO2 & a manual OC? I currently have a Ryzen 3 1200 OCed to 3.9GHz on a ASRock AB350 Pro4, thinking when I get the money I'd upgrade to at least a used 2400G or maybe spend the extra $40ish Canadian for the 2600 though the 3500X would only be a extra $20ish ($160) so in the range of a 2600X though the 2600/X got the extra threads that may be useful for recording & streaming.
here in south India (chennai), i saw ryzen 3500 listed in only one site(www.theitdepot.com), i thought it was some sort of a typo cause i couldn't find details about the said processor in and website. now thanx to matt i know what it is. price wise its Usd 14 less than i5 9400f
Thanks Bryan, I just made an Aliexpress account and purchased one. A new sealed one was only 6 dollars more, so I went for one of those. This is an awesome deal, and I should be able to sell my i5 6600k and recoup most of my money on the cpu upgrade, and I should have a much better upgrade path for the future.
@@mbahmarijan789 It came 2 days ago, and I'm up and running now. It came in a new box still sealed and total was $115.58 USD with a $3.00 coupon. Really happy so far. I'm running it on a MSI b450 Pro Carbon AC, with ddr4 3200 c14. Edit (I'm really surprised how fast it came, and it would have came faster if I didn't have to go through the appeal process with Aliexpress which took 3 days.)
When i check aliexpress this 3500x costs 200$ and 3600 costs 300$...In my local shop 2600 is 140$, 3500x 160$ and 3600 230$. can find ryzen 7 2700x for same price, and i think that would be better
Yup, I checked my local prices also, 2700 is 182$ and 2700x is 203$, but on alliexpress when I checked 2700 is 263$ pretty strange... PS: I am from Europe
If you already have the 860k i would say why not go for it. You can always upgrade to a ryzen 5 2600 for $150ish down the line with mobo maybe more with RAM and still have the 570. My 860k and rx 480 did me good for the past two years no real complaints for what it is.
*Zen3/4000* Just FYI, but the AM4 socket is supposed to support these CPU's in 2020. Rumors are between 8% and 14% IPC (for CPU constrained situations and varies by application). Should be slightly higher frequency so we might see up to 20% gains in performance. Possibly 30% for very specific applications that have specific CPU architectural tweaks... also be interesting to see how the IO chip and DDR4 support works but I suspect lower frequency memory will be less of a bottleneck than current Zen2/3000.
You should of included the 3500x OC and with the supported 3600mhz ram. I'd be interested in seeing that Also would this work on a 470 motherboard with updated bios?
Ryzen 5 2600 and GTX 1660 SUPER or Ryzen 5 3500x and RX 5500 xt 4gb? I am choosing between 2 configuratons (it's cheper this way since the graphic card prices are hot as hell now). Which one should I buy?
3500x + GIGABYTE B450M-S2H + Ballistix Sport LT 3200 CL16 should be the best price/performance combo atm. You can overclock that particular ram kit on that board to 3733 MHz, unlike other cheap B450 boards. If you want killer B450 board, go for MSI B450 Mortar MAX. It has great VRM, can run even 3900x without performance loss compared to x570 Taichi, and good feature set. Plus MAX means that it's Ryzen 3000 ready.
To be kept in mind, 3500X is a compromise for fully parallelisable creative/engineering tasks. Cinebench R15 on this thing reads around 1000cb, while 2600x gets around 1400cb, and 3600 around 1600cb or more. It would be interesting to see it benched across a wider variety of games. By all reason, there has to be one or another where lack of SMT will be of disadvantage. But then it's really not something to worry about too much, the performance will have to be more than ample anyway.
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Overclocking to Super Saiyon levels!!
@@achkr597 Its over 9GigaHertz!
2:17 The lucky part of being a viewer is that I get all this awesome info for free and I don't even have to lift a finger to do the work!
You provide an amazing service.
To true, I was considering buying a 3500X to benchmark it because I wasn't happy with what I was reading (to much variation) but getting stuck with a £100 CPU didn't appeal. Now, with this video I have all my benchmarks done for me, close enough for me anyway. A 2700X is going to be fine against a 3500X so I am not going to get hammered by people undercutting me by £40.
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AMD: "Please be really careful with our CPUs because you may bend the pins"
Bryan: *"Ummm.. Ryzen pyramids"*
bruh i have r3 2200g and i did bend a lot of pins by acident and later on i bend them back with a butterfly knife so yea i would say they r quite sturdy =))
@@st4my721 I had an old amd cpu and I bent the pins on purpose and bent them back I was impressed
How come my ryzen 2600 has no pins? weird.
@@mael6513 um you okay bro
I'd rather have pins on the cpu, than mobo tbh. I hate dealing with that fragility on the actual board.
Ryzen 5 3500x is sold in DIY market in India and China 1st hand with warranty .
@Kenz0 I am not in India for years so i don't know much of details but my relatives got it from MDcomputers
@Kenz0 kahi bhi mil jaayga...
@Kenz0 just OC it the multiplayer is unlocked
@Kenz0 I enquired in the local market and it will be available...
@Kenz0
If you are going that route
B450 mobo --> MSI tomahawk
PSU --> cx 550
RAM--> Trident z 8x2 3200MHz
Cooler--> hyper 212 black
This is what i am using with my 3600
Still i would get a 2600 in place of 3500 as it has 6 more threads which will be helpful for rendering and encoding
You should have way more viewers then you have you always do a good job and make things easy to follow with any experience level..........Always a great job ;)
Thanks man, though such is the life of a non google preferred youtuber.
@@techyescity too true but makes you more authentic
You’ll be hitting 400K in no time, mate.
Hi guys i need some help so i want to build a new pc but i am unsure here which will perform better etc can you help?
Option 1:
Cpu: Ryzen 5 3400G
Ram: 8gig DDR4 2666mhz
Mobo B450M
GPU:Vega 11
HDD: Seagate Barracude 500gig
PSU:Corsair CX650
Option 2:
CPU: Ryzen 5 3600
RAM: 16gig DDR4 2666mhz
GPU:Radeon R7 240 2gig
MOBO:B450 Pro
HDD: 512gig SSD upto 550mb/s
PSU: standard 400W(I can upgrade later when i upgrade my GPU)
the R5 3600 setup will cost me a tiny bit more but i am unsure cause i don't know which will perform better in games?
@@EBMproductions1 how much your max budget?
Bryan I love the content keep it up. Hope you feel better.
Well I bought one :D Seems amazing value for gaming. Finally a CPU with enough frequency to run Crysis at 60 FPS :D
then, will you compare it with xeons?
(include mobo and memory)
@@장휘윤-o4o There really is no comparison, this Ryzen is in a different league.
Hello phill what are you planning for the friday video?
@@philscomputerlab A xeon is always worthy of a comparison Phil, come on :P
@@dakata2416 Tune in tomorrow to find out!
9:20 Skip to the conclusion.
Thanks for fuck sakesss
You mention buying on Alliexpress quite a bit. Could you perhaps do a current video on the best way to shop on there? I have never bought from there from concern of not knowing the best vendors, etc... Thanks so much!
Being from South East Asia myself, I leaned towards AliExpress recently this year for their cheap shipping. Of course, I was also skeptical so I'm still sticking to smaller purchases, like the wealth of affordable OEM keycap sets, keyboard coiled cables, 60% Keyboards like the Anne Pro 2 (which I think is a local Chinese brand anyway [Obins]) etc. So far, no issue for me. I stuck to the vendors with more reviews, the way I do with Amazon.
Try buying products that have good ratings and over 100 orders
The easy way is to fillter free shipping and ascendent order so you can compare. Also put an eye on the reviews bc sometimes vendors sell bad units cheaper
My best tip is when you look at ratings, , select the 1 star ones and read them carefully. Too often ive been disappointed by a product with only 5 star ratings of 1000+ , people really are clueless . Also dont buy random cheap usb sticks they are 100% a scam ... while 99% of ratings of thousands ppl are positive, the usbs are 10000% fraud . Reviews are FAKE , after testing them i went to read the few negative reviews and it became clear i shouldve done this sooner. GL
Look at the numbers of orders and reviews. If the guy sold hundreds/thousands of CPUs and if the CPU has a lot of reviews, that 99.9% of the time means the product is ok. But remember, if you find a seller who sells way cheaper than others and you think it's too good to be true, it probably is.
The 3500X is an amazing value CPU. They should start selling it everywhere.
Which is why they won't I think. I can't see where it fits in the UK (if I was AMD). Let them buy up Zen+ stock, the APU, or the 3600 would be my attitude. I wonder if rather than the 3500X what we might see at some point id the 3500G. So a 6 core APU based around the 3500- but then what price? Already (UK) I can get a 3600 for £170 0n a good day so what would a 3500G sell at. Is anyone going to pay say £220 for an APU?
3500X is too good for the price. I believe that's why it's only sold on Aliexpress. It makes 2600 and 9400F obsolete.
@@veeclash4157 AMD wants people in rich countries to buy the more expensive 3600 instead of the 3500X. AMD will earn less profit if lots of people who would have bought the 3600, instead decide to buy the 3500X. It's about profits, not about obsoletion.
they released it in germany
I love you for basing your prices on Ali Express instead of Amazon or NewEgg, this just shows how much you care about your international Tech yes citizens unlike other tech channels that focus more on their U.S viewers most of the time, Thank you kindly.
Yes but he also ignores the fact that Ali is pants for us, the shipping and duties/taxes are very different. Just an example bevcause it is real, I bought an Atom Pi from the USA to UK and by the time I get it then it has gone from about $35 to £70! That is taxes and shipping. I imported from Aus, even with a bit of dodgy, I still ended up with about £30% taxes and shipping. Not beating the guy up about it but everyone needs top consider those prices because they don't translate- in fact people can help him out, if they have the prices for their region stick them up in comments. What makes total sense in say NZ will make no sense at all in Germany. In the UK you can get lucky as the vendor will mis-value, but if it goes missing you just lost that 'widget' that was actually £500 worth of IT (and of course you are technically a criminal). In the UK if it isn't via the EU then the prices are eye-watering.
Going back to those AToms, even if I imported 100 I still would have had to sell them about £70 to make a few £ profit. The much better Latte Panda can be had for less than £90 as it has come via Germany- although all the extras don't so you can get hammered on those.
@@twmbarlwmstar valid points but how exactly is this his fault ?
@@mobarakjama5570 I make the point it isn't his fault when I say "Not beating the guy up about it" because he can't cover all the eventualities. It is too complex, that is why I suggest it would be good if people do it for him. A great deal for someone in NZ might make no sense in France for example, because of taxes. I know AUS has really low import taxes compared to the UK so importing from China makes lots of sense- but in the UK it is painful to import outside of the EU.
@@twmbarlwmstar Yh, I agree but like you said the viewers can share the prices between them.
We have a new gaming king for low budgets!
The citizens of Tech YES City are curious if Mayor Bryan has done any productivity benchmarks? That 3500x is looking rather tasty!
I can do some budget productivity benchmarks, perhaps a budget CPU showdown for workstations?
@@techyescity as much as I'd love that, I'm not sure if there would be enough viewers for it to be a standalone video in its own right. I was thinking may be just a few of your choice tacked on at the end that were more "real world" (e.g. something that you would do for one of your shorter videos 8-15mins long). may be someone who is looking to get into video editing and streaming whilst still primarily gaming
@@techyescity Would be great! I'm just very curious how it performs with Premiere Pro for instance.
Hi guys i need some help so i want to build a new pc but i am unsure here which will perform better etc can you help?
Option 1:
Cpu: Ryzen 5 3400G
Ram: 8gig DDR4 2666mhz
Mobo B450M
GPU:Vega 11
HDD: Seagate Barracude 500gig
PSU:Corsair CX650
Option 2:
CPU: Ryzen 5 3600
RAM: 16gig DDR4 2666mhz
GPU:Radeon R7 240 2gig
MOBO:B450 Pro
HDD: 512gig SSD upto 550mb/s
PSU: standard 400W(I can upgrade later when i upgrade my GPU)
the R5 3600 setup will cost me a tiny bit more but i am unsure cause i don't know which will perform better in games?
@@EBMproductions1 opition 2, and next upgrade GPU
Loving this "price-to-perfomance" content bro keep it up,also is the 3500 a better choice for video editing and non gaming usecases than the 2600?
2600 has twice the threads. If the software can use the threads, the 2600 will be faster.
I believe lunchos ia correct but I have not compared. I do not use that software
Nice, The new King is here. I wish you can show to us on how does the 3500x do on productivity workloads and streaming compared to 2600.
Watching a 570 really push an i5 4590 to it's limits recently, I'm pretty sure the 860k would be a pretty hard bottleneck on a 570. Also, this 3500X seems like a pretty interesting CPU. You're right, it's nuts they're not offering it to retail.
Yea around 36% bottleneck
They don't want to cannibalize their product stack with a cheaper, better performing CPU than their APUs.
Hi guys i need some help so i want to build a new pc but i am unsure here which will perform better etc can you help?
Option 1:
Cpu: Ryzen 5 3400G
Ram: 8gig DDR4 2666mhz
Mobo B450M
GPU:Vega 11
HDD: Seagate Barracude 500gig
PSU:Corsair CX650
Option 2:
CPU: Ryzen 5 3600
RAM: 16gig DDR4 2666mhz
GPU:Radeon R7 240 2gig
MOBO:B450 Pro
HDD: 512gig SSD upto 550mb/s
PSU: standard 400W(I can upgrade later when i upgrade my GPU)
the R5 3600 setup will cost me a tiny bit more but i am unsure cause i don't know which will perform better in games?
Yeah ryzen 1200 37€ aliexpress
A refurbished am4 motherboard of amazon, and some cheap ddr4 of aliexpress or amazon (for me amazon is cheaper if you find the right deal)
Great 60fps gaming pc
Erik Britz the 3400g should perform better, especially if you can find some faster ram, as those APUs really benefit from 3000+MHz ram, and ideally 16gb, as you can give more ram to the integrated graphics while keeping enough system memory for more intensive applications
nice video Bryan as usual , can u do a review on MAXSUN Challenger A320M - VH R2.0 ? i think they lastest bios support ryzen 5 3500x
i have the x4 860k on my system. the cpu is fine for light gaming such as csgo and simple multi-tasking. but you really start to see the diminishing return when you play games like rainbow six siege which is pretty hard on cpu at high frames(50% gpu usage at 60fps, cpu on 100%). it also goes the same if you play mmorpg. the low single thread performance just won't cut it. you will experience a lot of stutters. you can still game on an entirely gpu-bound titles tho. that being said, i can't live without my mmorpg and siege, so i'm getting myself a 3600.
hope this helps!
Thank you for doing this. I ordered a 3500x as it seems to be the best choice for the $$$ ($128 delivered). I have a r5 1600 running at 3850mhz and it does really well, it never gets over 68 deg C on the Tcntl/Tdie measure on hw monitor after 100% use while rendering for 8 minutes straight and I hope the 3500x will do the same, while getting better frame rates on my XFX rx5700 ($330 on amazon). Anyway thanks a lot for the direction and information on it.
Please update once you have the results
Excellent video, like always. But I like to see all the settings you choose for red dead redemption 2, because I really like the fps numbers that we saw with that card and all of this cpus.
Would be cool to see hyperthreading turn off on the 3600 just to see if MT has anything to do with it cos there’s quite a decent different between the chips.
Even test a 3800x with SMT off as well ...very curious to see result
Can i actually turn off MT on 3600 for example ?
@@mikco11 I'm pretty sure you can change that in the bios
@@mikco11 Yes you can do this in bios.
3500X seems like a great CPU, I am surprised they didn't make it a retail product as well! I am doing a build for a friend and went with the Gigabyte B450 DS3H for $59.99 Amazon Prime. Wouldn't it usually be best to just look for a B450 on sale over any A320 if you can get the B450 for around $5 to $10 more? Or are there A320 boards that are actually better than a lower end B450? (not including niche brands - sticking with ASUS, Asrock, MSI, Gigabyte, etc.) Cheers Mate!
If you later want to be able to run a 3950X on it or such, the MSI B450 Tomahawk is a great choice. The VRM on it is great. Hardware Unboxed did a good review on that.
Wow, what a great budget gaming option for Zen 2! Ultra budget systems w/ CPUs that perform on par w/ high-end gaming options and allow for EXCELLENT upgradability for both graphics w/out bottleknecking and better, larger core-count/multi-threaded Zen2 and Zen 3 CPUs w/ socket AM4! Just excellent. Keep this nice and quiet on aliexpress... No need for a $150 mainstream release.
Great video, too bad theres no BF5 or SOTR test to see if SMT was worth it or not for gaming. Now that I think about it, wouldnt be great to test the R5 2600/3600 with SMT off too?
Hi Tech yes :) Whre did you find 3500X for 118 dollars, all I can see on Aliexpress, the cheapest one is 195 dollars on sale...
What currency? $118 he showed is USD (USA), cheapest I found for me is $157(CPU only)-$160 (retail box with cooler) CAD (Canada)
Boxed: m.aliexpress.com/item/4000278090779.html?pid=808_0000_0101&spm=a2g0n.search-amp.list.4000278090779&aff_trace_key=c1ee253b809f413c97dfbed7108e0eda-1575095416849-06215-Fvw6DDOY&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=7888amp-dMgCHJDg4o_3nf9jGka_Bg1575531143814
@@letto18 In USD :)
pl.aliexpress.com/item/4000298707708.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.79f86dc3cSZgUP&algo_pvid=932057a2-8730-45ae-bb38-5cf8521a4198&algo_expid=932057a2-8730-45ae-bb38-5cf8521a4198-0&btsid=33b33750-097b-41e5-8e1a-8a72deea8e8c&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_9,searchweb201603_55
And it's finding only this one when I'm searching it from Poland on Aliexpress. Even Ali is fucking us :D
www.aliexpress.com/item/4000217543768.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.4f7a2592ID1XJD&algo_pvid=117b69c0-78f7-450e-9aa4-d97ac3231f2c&algo_expid=117b69c0-78f7-450e-9aa4-d97ac3231f2c-0&btsid=e6c9ceed-bb81-4101-8208-d5676481ca09&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_9,searchweb201603_55
I don't think I'd be willing to sacrifice 6 threads for the sake of 10% higher fps. Then again I build my PCs for multi-purpose. 3D rendering, programming & gaming.
AlienFreak69 if rendering and programmimg then yeah!
Isn't 3500X actually better for rendering and programming than other normal processors?
@@user-vb3kn6ur3s define "normal". Rendering loves cores. The more, the better unless you're using some ancient CPU with slow cores like FX processors. For programming, you need fast RAM and a fast CPU. You don't need as many cores as rendering does but you'll want fast cores. It's all about compiling speed.
@@AlienFreak69 so the 2600x is better all rounder than 3500x?
Great comparison, man ✌️
dang my friend just built his first PC super budget. he got the 2600X for 119 on black friday sale. probably couldn't wait for 3500X but it would've been a great alternative since he wants to edit some photos on it and that higher IPC would be valuable!
These benchmarks are gold, the only thing missing now is esports//competitive benchmarks which might take awhile to pop up. Thanks!
Awesome work Bryan.. might buy one 3500x and do some gameplay videos on it. Cheers, mate! :)
I have a 2600 right now and just purchased the 3500x. I only game so when I sell the 2600 for about $100 i think that's a good deal to upgrade
Got a 1600 and thinking of doing the same! Those single core performance gains should be sweet!
Same thinking
I ordered a 2600 from Ali Express about a week ago. Upgrading from my 1500X and repurposing the 1500X in a gaming build for a friend for christmas. Just waiting on delivery. Hopefully it gets here (Scotland) in time!
Please update once you got the results.. :)
I'm actually quite shocked at how much performance is lost with SMT on. To the point where I feel that those number seem unlikely be right, specially the minimum fps (where I'd really rather have seen some 1% and 0.1% low numbers instead). I'm curious. Did you do any sort of validating with those numbers? Such as testing other motherboards with those CPU's, or turning off SMT with the 2600 and 3600, to see if SMT is actually the reason, and not something else? :)
Other than that, I agree that it's a real shame that the 3500X aren't available through regular retail channels. Personally i wouldn't risk buying it on Ali Express (too much risk of it never showing up, and too many extra import duties attached, where I'm from), but if i could get it retail, i would probably consider it for a smaller budget build.
I am picking CPU intense benchmarks, except for strange brigade, so I am not surprised at all, I can cross test on different mobos and what not sure, but having the 9400F perform in a similar ball park to the 3500x kind of already confirms it.
@@techyescity You may be right. It's just strange behavior, that i can't recall having seen in other review videos either, though to be fair, i haven't looked at any to confirm, and it's been a little while since i last saw a comparative review between these midrange offerings. :)
Thanks for the review! I just wanted to ask, what program did you use to monitor your CPU usage and temperature?
Jav.exe
Thank you for this. Now this definitely gives me a reason to upgrade my 1700x and I am using a Asrock AB350 gaming Itx motherboard.
I think if you trade your 1700x with a 3500x it's a bad move. The 8c/16t will keep up with games for a longer time.
@@olehaus I would probably agree
Hey love the videos! I would have liked some footage of gameplay with the 3500x to know how games will utilize it. My i5-7500 gets about 80%~ utilization playing fallout 4 on 1080p 144fps with a RX 5700 non xt
I wish you had tested at least one game with 3600 and SMT off. If you do an update or similar video can you throw in 3600, 3900/3950 SMT off. Maybe "SMT Off Shootout" video!
Yup, I've got an 1100T sitting around as a backup. I used it for a while after selling my 4770k build before getting my Ryzen system.
i follow linus, bitwit, jayztwocents, etc and this is the most informative video ive seen in a long time. Awesome. I was going to go with either an i7 ori9 or 3800x for my current build but after watching this I think I may save a few dollars and go with the 3500x!
Please update here once you have the system complete :)
Great video. you made me aware that the smt off on 3rd gen ryzen helps in games. seeing your results made me look over others videos witch comfirmed that smt off in games on average is faster than on, if only by a small margin.
Where is my Tech YES Citizens Corner? Saru? Shannon? Bryan?
Marco I am here!!!!!
@@shannonb1682 Yay!
Of course I am here. Though please refer to me as the mayor from here in.
@@techyescity Mayor Bryan! I just received the election results from our latest mayoral election. You won with 99.9999% of the vote. Congratulations
The only one who didn't vote for you was some guy who has a hard-on for disliking the video as soon as it goes online.
@@MarcoGPUtuber I wonder who this insta dislike guy is though, he been hanging around for a couple of weeks now :p.
Bryan - if you still have all the CPUs, then maybe a general topic among the lines of "Ryzen 3000 for gaming - SMT ON vs OFF" where you can show all the 3000 series CPU with the setting both off and on, and get some nice conclusion about the cache and SMT influence on FPS. I know this is a lot of work, but if not you - then who? ;)
@John Hooper I think it depends - I've seen some videos where disabling HT gained performance - probably some games are not optimized for more than 3-4 cores or so, but the cache makes difference. Anyways, I would like to see this experiment.
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Thanks for the video mate, is it possible to disable smt on the 3600 and would it increase gaming perf ? Thanks again mate
Should be able to. I have a r5 2600 with Asus x470 prime and you can disable smt in bios. Edit: not all games will perform better with it off though.
The only concern I have is smoothness. Games are getting more and more multi-threaded and lower-threaded CPU's are hitting more stutters. I've heard this was a problem with the i5 9400f.
Now, I'm one of those abominable people who only uses his PC for games (someone most reviewers pretend don't exist), so I'm actually really interested in this CPU. I've been trying to decide between the 2600, 2600x, or 3600. This 3500x really throws a wrench in all that because of how cheap it is. Not sure where to go from here. Just wondering if the lack of threads hurts it *at all* games.
@CRX Is it just as smooth as the Ryzen 7? I would think it hits more stutters, but idk for sure.
0:43 No man, they are actually sold at retail. I live in India and Ryzen 5 3500 is sold locally through shops. Ryzen 5 3500x is higher clocked variant and sold in China only. I think CPUs are only meant to be sold in the Asian markets.
Great video as usually. But please do remember that you do NOT need an older Ryzen cpu to upgrade the BIOS, you can use any cheap AMD Bristol Ridge CPU for that process.
Pricing here in the Philippines is good. The Ryzen 5 2600 is really on a good price point right now. I bought 1 just last month to replace my age old i5-2400. Although I didn't pair it with a B series motherboard but I still went with a decent board w/c is the Asus EX-A320M-Gaming. It's a bit of an unusual board since it's an A320 chipset but has 4 DIMM slots and has Aura Sync. I don't intend on overclocking that's why I went with an A320 board and the CPU+Board only cost me 189 USD shipped ($127 on the processor) so I would call that a pretty good deal. And as for the RAM I went with HyperX Fury 8GB x2 DDR4-2666 CL16 that set me back $70 ($35 per stick). I think I went with the wrong RAM although it's still decent but I only realized a few weeks after that the TForce Elite RGB 16GB x2 8GB DDR4-3200 kit only costs $77 shipped I would've gone with that one.
100$ on aliexpress, that's a steal
Been looking for this!
I like new look of this channel and new background music. Feel more like a tech garage which is quite fun if you actuqlly have garage XD
Please test productivity workloads, curious if this can be a cheap upgrade from my 2600 since I do only gaming these days but light video editing every now and then.
I'd rather get a 2600 over this. 6c/6t is fine for now, but sometimes, it is better to take a small short term hit for long term gain.
6 extra threads but with half the cache ? Its a no brainer...
@@dubment which one do i get, 2600x or 3500x. i wanna game but also edit stream videos?
12 cores are better for this stuff right?
Thanks for this, mate.
You offer a 3 month guarantee on your pcs and I respect that. But let's say a component clonks out in 4 or 5 months and the buyer contacts you what would you do or has this happened before?
Usually always happy to help people out, actually never had a 4 month scenario, if there is a problem it surprisingly always happens within a week, or after a year something went faulty and I just replace it for the parts cost.
But if someone was to go faulty just out of warranty I would feel bad for the person and just help them out anyway lol.
@@techyescity Respect Bryan thanks for answering! I have gotten into flipping pcs and am not sure if I should offer a warranty. I'm just doing it on a small scale and won't really have spare parts for replacements if something would happen.
@@yarchieduke I usually find that guaranteeing it, even for a bit, helps you sell it for a higher price for very little extra risk. That was my experience when I flipped PCs in Canada. In the long run it helps profits.
Hey Brian! Could you make a video comparing these CPUs and maybe adding the 2700x & 3700x for streaming/recording while playing games? I'm wondering if it's worth to get those 12 threads on the 3600 for streaming over the 3500x. Or just saving my money altogether and buying a 3700x.
So would you recommend the 2600 over the 3500x if multitasking and some light editing like photo shop and rendering are gonna be my main goal over gaming? Or is the zen 2 architecture worth it? Im gonna get a b450 mobo either way so i just need to decide witch cpu to get.
i took the 2600 cause i want to utilize the extra threads later on for light video editing.If i wanted more i would have gone 2700x but im happy with my purchase as there's little difference between cpu's other than 1080p on 1440p it gets even out
What about the 1% - 0.1% lows in multiplayer games like pubg & bf5? I just heard that SMT/HT comes beneficial there.
That's what I wanna know. I only have, so I don't care about the extra threads, so long as it doesn't stutter.
If you have a really powerful cards like 2070 or above you will have stuttering
Most budget cards will do fine
Hi there Bryan, and lovely community here, I have a CM Hyper 103 cooler what bracket should I use to convert it to a AM4 platform builds, since the cooler is almost brand new, and would it be good to pair to 3500X ?
I'm just curious, can 3500x stream? I play LOL and Dota 2. Hope you can reply. More power to your channel.
I'm satisfied with the RYZEN 5 2600 for the time being, since I game and create mods (and use different kinds of mods). Its in an almost similar demand as a streamer. To say the least I am future proofed to have up to RYZEN 5 3600X as my selection with the ASUS PRIME X370 Pro which is I am good.
But I am happy that AMD made sure we have more options for many users and the 3500X is a welcome addition to the family.
The Athlon 860K is of another socket ... FM2+ not AM3 .. So your suggestion to use an FX cpu is not viable since he said he already has that cpu so i am guessing he also has an FM2 motherboard ... Other than that keep up the good work ;)
Very interesting product 3500x but how about productivity. will an extra 6-threads from 2600 gain advantage?
I think 2600 will perform better
i was never sold on upgrading to the 3600 from the 2600. the 3500X is a very interesting product, sort of like a gaming focused alternative for the Ryzen 5 line up.
That's pretty nice really considering the price - I've got a 2600 OC'd to 4.1Ghz and it seems pretty decent for now, but I'll probably wait until the 3700X drops dramatically in price or there's some used bargains to be had. Not worth upgrading for a mere 15%
Perhaps you would be able to compare the quality of the silicon by disabling smt on the 3600 and comparing it to the 3500X.
Please do a video with Kingpin Thermal paste Kpx vs Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. Excluding all other pastes. Thank You Tech Yes City!
Built my 12 year old daughter a 2600 build for 600 through micro center. 2600/rx 580, 16 gb 3200 ram, 1tb inland ssd, 650w psu, lian li 205 case. Baller system for Xmas.
Im currently in a situation where these are my options.
Prices available to me here converted to dollars.
r5 2600 used $100,
r5 3500x used $110,
r5 3600 used $144,
r5 4650g new $153.
After watching this video I am thinking should definitely get the 3500x over the 3600 and 2600 but I have the 4650g option also.
I currently have everything for the system except cpu and gpu.
b450m mortar max, 2x8gb 3600mhz cl17, 500gb ssd and 500watt silverston psu.
I plan to pair with the 1650super in my main system when I get a new gpu.
I am still waiting till brand new gpu prices go down because the prices are terrible here new and used prices.
So leaning towards the 4650g because I dont have enough to buy the gpu yet and also it will be brand new with warranty.
Would it be worth it the $43 more?
I think I paid more, but my i5 9600k with a nice Kraken x62 easy 5 ghz and stable 5.2 ghz, but I use on 5 ghz. I bought it second hand for 200 USD worth currency in my country with a Asrock Fatality Z370 mini ITX motherboard and I paired with 2x8GB 3000mhz CL16 memory. Later bought my RTX 2080 Super, but still doesn't feel the urge to upgrade. I will wait what Intel drops next year or what will be the next AMD architecture and I will buy what is better, if 6 core holds until they releases, If not I'll go with a Ryzen 7 3700x.
in india amd has launched r5 3500 which is similar to 3500x but with only 16mb cache and it is nearly same price as i5 9400f
this should get more likes so that techyes can testit
Neat. Would you have a link to an online retailer in India that offers this 3500 ?
@@Bareego mdcomputers.in/amd-hexa-core-ryzen-5-3500.html
@@rnkp9389 Thanks :) I was wondering about the pricing of a new one. Converted that's like $157 so I guess most people would rather go for the used ones from Aliexpress
@@Bareego yeah well taxes and all ..but still i was wondering how much performance difference will we get between it and 3500x considering the low cache
i think we"re at a point where performance has basically peaked and your not going to get much more with a new cpu AND its really not worth the upgrade right now once there is a bigger difference with an upgrade to a newer cpu, right now 4-14% is not enough for me to upgrade ill stick with my 2600 for now
I know i'm being pedantic, but the feature you call PBO is actually called Precision Boost. PBO is an overclocking feature and it is useless on ryzen 2000 non-x cpus; you should manually overclock those
upgrade to 3500(x) or 3600 only when you just have a terrible 1600(x) cannot overclock over 4.0ghz , and keep your 2600(x) and oc with it only upgrade to 3700x/3900x though. Great test there man, i love to see low latency ram rather than high latency high bus speed
Thank you; have been recommending a 5 3600 to a friend of mine.
Actually in India, the 3500, and the 3500X are sold on amazon and other online websites and also in local stores.
aye dont call my 9400f irrelent... good video btw !
Ryzen 5 3500X is AUD$175-200 on Aliexpress , it was USD$120 for a while, over xmas its gone up
To be clear there's Precision Boost 2 (PB2) and Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO), so PBO2 doesn't really exist. I think enabling PBO voids the warranty but at these prices does it matter? It would've been nice to see a manual overclock since some 3600's can overclock beyond their rated boost clocks, so maybe the 3500X could do the same.
Been doing cpu OC on my MSi A320M for quite a while now, maybe an in depth guide would be good! :) Would love to see how much can these budget boards do!
That's the O/C board (obviously)? Yes it would be interesting, what board is it, I might buy a used one to play with if I can get sub £50.
Yes it is the OC board that I used to OC my proc. This board specifically: www.msi.com/Motherboard/A320M-PRO-VDS-V2
Though, I didn't OC that much since it is quite a cheap board to begin with with no VRM heatsinks. But I think it should be able to handle a mild OC since it is rated to run the 1800x at stock (as per advertisement).
I am looking forward for this Gigabyte board as well:
www.gigabyte.com/ph/Motherboard/GA-A320M-S2H-V2-rev-11#kf
I can say that this would be the cheapest A320 board right now with B350 Chipset so this one might be able to handle iGPU OC for APUs, might be good for budget builds!
@@johncliffordcarino2445 please update here once you have the results. Since overclocking on those boards are risky...
@@johncliffordcarino2445 And comes in at just shy of £50 so worth a play with maybe the new Athlon and of course the old Ryzens. I don’t really need any more PCs, need to sell some, but I do like to play
What's the difference between PBO2 & a manual OC? I currently have a Ryzen 3 1200 OCed to 3.9GHz on a ASRock AB350 Pro4, thinking when I get the money I'd upgrade to at least a used 2400G or maybe spend the extra $40ish Canadian for the 2600 though the 3500X would only be a extra $20ish ($160) so in the range of a 2600X though the 2600/X got the extra threads that may be useful for recording & streaming.
here in south India (chennai), i saw ryzen 3500 listed in only one site(www.theitdepot.com), i thought it was some sort of a typo cause i couldn't find details about the said processor in and website. now thanx to matt i know what it is. price wise its Usd 14 less than i5 9400f
You inspired me to overclock my pentium g3258 way back when fresh release of that cpu
Can you also do a 3500X vs 3600 on productivity soft-wares and multi threaded scores? Thanks mate
This video came just at the right time 🤟
Thanks Bryan, I just made an Aliexpress account and purchased one. A new sealed one was only 6 dollars more, so I went for one of those. This is an awesome deal, and I should be able to sell my i5 6600k and recoup most of my money on the cpu upgrade, and I should have a much better upgrade path for the future.
Please update here once you got one... :)
@@mbahmarijan789 It came 2 days ago, and I'm up and running now. It came in a new box still sealed and total was $115.58 USD with a $3.00 coupon. Really happy so far. I'm running it on a MSI b450 Pro Carbon AC, with ddr4 3200 c14.
Edit (I'm really surprised how fast it came, and it would have came faster if I didn't have to go through the appeal process with Aliexpress which took 3 days.)
@@ByTorAndMe nice...
When i check aliexpress this 3500x costs 200$ and 3600 costs 300$...In my local shop 2600 is 140$, 3500x 160$ and 3600 230$. can find ryzen 7 2700x for same price, and i think that would be better
Yup, I checked my local prices also, 2700 is 182$ and 2700x is 203$, but on alliexpress when I checked 2700 is 263$ pretty strange...
PS: I am from Europe
@@zaskata1 me too
shows $118 usd used and $120 usd new with free shipping for me.
If you already have the 860k i would say why not go for it. You can always upgrade to a ryzen 5 2600 for $150ish down the line with mobo maybe more with RAM and still have the 570. My 860k and rx 480 did me good for the past two years no real complaints for what it is.
*Zen3/4000*
Just FYI, but the AM4 socket is supposed to support these CPU's in 2020. Rumors are between 8% and 14% IPC (for CPU constrained situations and varies by application). Should be slightly higher frequency so we might see up to 20% gains in performance. Possibly 30% for very specific applications that have specific CPU architectural tweaks... also be interesting to see how the IO chip and DDR4 support works but I suspect lower frequency memory will be less of a bottleneck than current Zen2/3000.
You forgot the power draw... A thing that make this channel special...
You should of included the 3500x OC and with the supported 3600mhz ram. I'd be interested in seeing that
Also would this work on a 470 motherboard with updated bios?
Ryzen 5 2600 and GTX 1660 SUPER or Ryzen 5 3500x and RX 5500 xt 4gb? I am choosing between 2 configuratons (it's cheper this way since the graphic card prices are hot as hell now). Which one should I buy?
1660super for sure if they are same price cpu prices are going down faster than gpu prices ive noticed atleast where I live right now
The video I was waiting for
3500x + GIGABYTE B450M-S2H + Ballistix Sport LT 3200 CL16 should be the best price/performance combo atm.
You can overclock that particular ram kit on that board to 3733 MHz, unlike other cheap B450 boards.
If you want killer B450 board, go for MSI B450 Mortar MAX. It has great VRM, can run even 3900x without performance loss compared to x570 Taichi, and good feature set. Plus MAX means that it's Ryzen 3000 ready.
It just become relevant again, 3600 at 200+$.
3500X 130 usd.
To be kept in mind, 3500X is a compromise for fully parallelisable creative/engineering tasks. Cinebench R15 on this thing reads around 1000cb, while 2600x gets around 1400cb, and 3600 around 1600cb or more.
It would be interesting to see it benched across a wider variety of games. By all reason, there has to be one or another where lack of SMT will be of disadvantage. But then it's really not something to worry about too much, the performance will have to be more than ample anyway.
This channel is the best.
What would be the best GPU to pair with R3500X? - GTX 1660Ti, GTX 1070, or Vega 56? Thanks