The History of Calvary Chapel With Brian Brodersen
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- In this episode of The Remnant Radio, Brian Brodersen, President of the Calvary Global Network, comes on the show to discuss the history of Calvary Chapel. We will be covering key leaders in the Calvary Chapel Movement, the history and formation of the movement, along with Calvary Chapel's theological distinctive.
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Some observers might suggest Broderson was the source of Calvery Chapel's most recent split.
One thing that I've always loved and respected about Calvary chapels is that they all do the whole Bible chapter by chapter in verse by verse I think it's a phenomenal marker
Sure but where is the holy SPIRIT ?
@@matsswede The Holy Spirit can use that no ? Uses His word to teach and admonish and convict.
yes they preach it but forgott the power of THE HOLY SPIRIT !!! Been ther done that :(
@@matsswede How ? Have they forgotten the power of the Holy Spirit ?
Many Calvarys will employ the sign gifts at smaller group gatherings.
My dad was saved at Costa Mesa and I worked at Applegate Christian Fellowship. One word of caution is that Brian Broderson does not accurately reflect all Calvary Pastors. Chuck wrote a book called Calvary Distinctive’s which clearly outline what makes Calvary Chapel. I have never known ANY Calvary Pastor to be “soft-complementarian”. Whatever that is. You either meet the qualifications for Elder or you don’t.
Sad to see Calvary Costa Mesa has not stood the course as Chuck asked. Not the same Spirit thats for sure.
I thank God for the faithful men of God that stood the course as Chuck asked.
Calvary Chapel Association has stood the course.
Thank you Jesus.
Yea, this guy caused a split and he took a different path than Chuck wanted.
Now he has driven it into the ground. Good job Brian….
How?
Agreed, his liberal theology is garbage, poor chuck his lifes work ran into the ground by this usurper.
I’m so grateful for Calvary Chapel. My husband grew up in CC San Jose and grew as a new Christian at a Calvary in NC. Unfortunately, that ruined him for every other type of church. 😆 All he wants is an Acts type church that preaches verse by verse, which are not very common.
I grew up from birth to 5th grade in a Calvary Chapel, then from 8th until graduation in a nondenominational church with an AOG/charismatic foundation....I’m thankful because I’ve had the best of both sides of the coin! Rooted in scripture, empowered by the Holy Spirit!
AWESOME!!!
Charismatic has occultism roots.
@@wlonsdale1 if you get a chance check out my chnnel. Lots of info on the heresy of dispensationalism
@@wlonsdale1Examples? Curious re what you are thinking- I’m not Pentecostal.
Why is the interviewer hardly even touching Calvary Chapel distinctives as a position taken by leadership. The guy being interviewed seems to run from the mention of distinctives.
I live in between the original Calvary and the original Vineyard. Been to both but we need another Jesus movement down here. People in SoCal are so lost
I don't know which church he preaches at but pro skater Brian Sumner podcast from socal brought me to my local CC. His channel is called Foolishness
You say "we need another Jesus Movement"...but isnt that contrary to the theology of Calvalry Chapel, whose leaders believe in the growing immorality and soon rapture/large scale apostasy in the "church dispensation"?
@@aeiou9957 Calvary chapel churches typically believe in modern day revivals
@@elijah4767 I get that; the "Jesus People" movement being a micro-revival of sorts. However, I'm saying that Calvary Chapel, along with most evangelicalism, has a problem with progress in general, given their view that we are on a sinking ship - culture, nations, are all fated for destruction before Jesus comes back after his "rapture of the church", to reign in Jerusalem with his Jews on high, where Gentiles are supposed to worship, and where the sacrifice goats and bulls per Ezekiel's prophecy resumes, and where there will be ethnic distinctions in the priestly order, and in the tribal allotment of land, per Ezekiel.
@@aeiou9957 I disagree with their view but I find it best not to divide over eschatology
YES! To expository preaching AND normal continuation practices
Amen ! Calvary Chapel Williamsburg!!
@@alexfelic1264 Is Williamsburg Virginia? I think my in-laws live over there
@@alexfelic1264 We will probably be visiting the summer
Yes, those miracles are so normal.
@@TheRemnantRadio yes we’re in Virginia!
One of the BEST interviews ever. Glory to God! 🌟
I loved that Calvary Chapel never endorsed the mega church model. Church planting and splits were expected and Gods hand blessed the movement. Chuck Smith ordered to remove the carpet in the sanctuary if it kept one person out of church due to no shoes on their feet. He had the heart for the unsaved. Again Jesus moved.
One cannot walk barefoot on carpet???
Realy glad you mentioned Lonnie frisbees importance in the birth of Calvary chapel... Since they took away all info about his importance in Calvaery chapel got so big ! Even if it was just some few words.
So sad to see how they killed Lonnie ! Especially wimber ! But also chuck and the guy Lonnie lived with for 6 mounth.
I was born in to Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa. Then at 5 moved to Riverside and went to Harvest until I was in 8th grade. Chuck Smith was our Pastor and we went 6 days a week.
Anyone ever think God is doing the work of building up HIS church...God is still on the throne.....trust in the Lord with all your heart..and lean not on your own understanding and He will make your path straight😊
Verse by verse study is where you truly learn the Bible, and not craziness of modern charismatic leaders who get off track with topical messages only.
Calvary Chapel went off the rails when he announced himself leader after Chuck Smith went to heaven.
Moved away from the Distinctives and towards a more liberal theology. It was because of this that Calvary Chapel split into two camps.
My CC is definitely not liberal, thank God 😃
@@darrenplies9034 theology that thinks all scripture is allegory or it can change on a whim that r the person twists it otherwise
The vast majority of Calvary pastors rejected Brian and are active in the CCA - Calvary Chapel Association.
@@michaelregan3914 Including myself....CGN uses the calvary chapel name and the flagship church to push a new agenda.
I agree that Brian and 1 other man are the reason for the split.
Without Lonnie Frisbee there may not be a Calvary Chapel or Vineyard. God used him to be the catalyst empower and ignite both.
Calvary was my church. I came to Jesus at Calvary. Chuck baptized me in the Ocean at Pirates Cove. I worshipped at Calvary hundreds maybe thousands of time standing with my hands in the air as did many, many others and no one ever asked me to sit down. It's just not true that this ever happened. It's sad to read and hear what has happened to Calvary since Chucks passing.
Most Calvary churches are wonderful. This pastor is WOKE! He needs to leave Calvary church as he is falling from the truth of God’s word. Beware of this pastor! God is separating the wheat from the chaff.
Agree! This tare needs to be exposed, rebuked and he also needs to repent while there is time.
Grace and peace! ✌😎✌
Chapter by chapter through the Bible, God's Word is the BEAUTIFUL part of Calvary Chapel. The ugly part is their heretical Revelation dispensational view, which is sad, I was taught at Calvary to interpret Scripture with Scripture. When you interpret Scripture with Scripture you plainly see that today's popular Revelation view, which by the way only started in 1830, is very bogus. I started as a child in Foursquare Gospel. I attended Costa Mesa with my hippy dad on a visit to Socal. I stayed in Calvary Chapels for years and years. Where I live now, there are no Calvary's, but I am THANKFUL for learning to study the Bible chapter by chapter, Hallelujah!!! Although I am a blue collar aircraft mechanic, my love of God and His Word inspired me have my own u tbe chnnel with no ads or commercials, my chnnel is not monetized like 99.9 percent of Christian chnnels!!! Hallelujah!!!
I love the Oreo cookies & white grape juice they had for their communion services. 👺
As a 60 year old woman its a hard NO for me a woman as pastor. My opinion a woman can share God’s word in public. But pastor a church…no. So if I am looking for a Calvary Chapel that doesnt allow women preaching I want a CNA church?
Say Brian,
Do you know a Pastor Paul Smith, I assume you treated him.with respect after Chuck became sick then passed? You guys followed all Pastor Chuck's wishes for the leadership of Calvary and today are following all Chuck's thinking about say some teaching all, even men in the church and women becoming Pastors of Calvary. Chuck didn't think women as Pastors is correct so you guys would never do that, right? One last thing, were you really called to be a pastor or are you doing all this in your own will?💡777🎸
Why did Brian kick James Kaddis off of K-WAVE?
Because Brian hates the truth and is a woke pastor.
Pastor James speaks truth unlike this man.
The darkness hates the light. And Pastor James brings a giant spotlight!
CC joined a list of significant events/influences in my life. Today I look at CC/Jesus Movement in a vastly different light. There will always be a sense of nostalgia. But when I grew older I came to see the Moses Model for what it was. Destruction.
The MM likely contributed to the loss of faith for many. If I was to select something from Scripture, that reminds me of this era, I pick Gideon. Early youthful victory, turned to death decades later. Gideon was listed in Hebrews as a man of faith. But he introduced worship of the ephod, and his family came to ruin after his passing.
Calvery Chapel still adheres to the Moses model error or they did as of maybe a couple of years ago.
Please explain what your “Moses Model” is…. Thank you.
@@cindiloowhoo1166 If you want to understand MM, there are numerous mentions online. However, I recommend downloading Calvary Chapel Distinctives. This was widely advertised in the early 2000's.
Try to pick up on the attitude of Chuck Smith.
(Edit) I didn't read the question closely and failed to pay attention to "your" MM. Moses Model is the doctrine's actual proper name.
Not mine.
I find it sad that someone who is really in middle of the split in Calvary Chapel!!!
Must teach the main and plain things of Scripture. As John Wimber would ssy.
Except Wimber DIDN'T
@@lisahinojosa2460 sorry. He said it. I heard him.
And u have to explain yourself. Since I heard him say to teach the main and plain things in Scripture.
@@zerosparky9510 He may have said it what I meant was he DIDN'T KEEP IT SIMPLE, NOR BIBLICAL!
@@lisahinojosa2460 we disagree.explain where
Don't just say he did not. Ecplain
Have no way to comment on Cessationsist , true or false , but I do have a very strong personal opinion
Had a very intense 'Tongues' experience in college. Got vexed shortly thereafter, lost discernment., lost assurance of Salvation... My spirit became very vulnerable to cults ( upci oneness ) . Looking back, my 'Tongues' were self induced , But the spiritual exercises of seeking an altered consciousness , ( with the sincere belief that this would lead to a closer inner manifestation of jesus and the spirit 2 cor 11:4 ) Therefore I avoid Charismatic Teachers like the plague .
The purpose of “Tongues” at Pentecost, was Jesus giving His Disciples and Apostles the ability to speak the local populations in foreign lands in their travels for the Gospel.
Not nonsensical, near self-hypnotic utterances that had to be “interpreted” by another “gifted Member.” This is for what purpose? To put down those persons who were not “gifted?”
When Jesus healed people, did He even once smack them in the forehead and have them fall over backwards? Good Drama to pull in more donations?
Okay, so I'm just really confused regarding Calvary Chapel's stance on Pentecostal/Charismatic gifts. Is if that they are in continuationists, but they just don't believe in doing at church. Its fine if you speak in tongues, have healings, cast out demons and shout hallejujah at home---just don't do it at church. How does that work?
If Chuck Smith studied end times so much, how could he possibly teach pre-trib. Book of Revelation is just plain to see for any reader that the saints will be tested during the tribulation.
I just don't see that....I have studied the Word. I really see Gods wrath is just on the unbelivers..to get them to repent.
@@katmarino4120 you are mistaken. Wrath and persecution are not the same. Wrath is towards unbelievers. Persecution is for believers.
Pre trip and post trib is about as important as what color should the church carpeting be. It causes people to argue but in the end it doesn't matter at all. Jesus will come when He comes. We just have to be ready.
Would it be safe to say that Calvary Chapel are basically Baptists who believe in the gifts?
Gary, I suppose that sounds sort of right. But Calvary Chapel goes chapter by chapter straight through the Bible, God's Word. Baptist's typically jump around. Calvary Chapel does not use their spiritual gifts in "church" services like an Assembly of God does. I believe that is why Vineyard began, over a disagreement with the use of the spiritual gifts. Unfortunately Baptists and Calvary both have been sucked into the heretical dispensational Revelation teaching. But in their defense, 90 percent of today's church has been sucked into this false doctrine that oddly enough only started in 1830 by darby, then schofield with his famous study Bible in 1900, then of course hal lindsey and tim lahaye etc. Today's church doesn't really have much choice on their Revelation view in the sense that the majority of Bible colleges in the United States will not allow you to teach at their college unless you adhere to the dispensational Revelation view, pretty sad. I have a small u tube chnnel that shares the Truth as far as Revelation.
@@keithelrod777 Okay thanks for the information. So what would you say is the most biblical denomination that believe in the gifts apart from Calvary Chapel?
@@garyboulton2302 I am not a big denominational person. You would have to visit and pray.
No. I think mire four square
Baptists? Hardly.
Look, people of God, Anglicanism is the "middle way." Calvary Chapel is not as great as you think. There is so much yucky stuff in their history. They cherry pick, sure, but from the pits as well as the fruit. First of all, Brodersen speaks for his global spin-off from CC, not for CC. Yet another schism. Let's all throw away the branding, and unite in the faith, soon.
There are some wonderful pastor’s that are from Calvary churches. This pastor is not one of them.
@@JesusisLord1g I think brother Broderson is in a lawsuit with the other claimants to the Calvary Chapel name. Yes, there are many lovely CC pastors and people, thousands upon thousands, I'm sure, but there's some denominational garbage that they're not owning up to, and never have.
I Nope, that is incorrect. I went to Calvary Chapel for many years when Pastor Chuck was the lead Pastor. I don’t every remember a time when an usher would ask us to sit down when we stood up with raised hands to worship.
First of billy graham did being senior pastor in Calvary chapel costar Mesa
I imagine that it is difficult having two distinct organizations that use the Calvary Chapel name and sometimes you both get tarred with the same brush. I would be interested on your take on Pastor J.D. Farag at Calvary Chapel Kaneohe (which is CCA) who wanders off into unusual end times prophesy and conspiracy theories.
Andre, probably all Calvary Chapels have the heretical dispensational view of Revelation. In fact most of today's church holds to this new Revelation view that only began in 1830. I have a small chnnel that goes over some of the false dispensational views. I attended Calvary Chapel North Shore Christian Fellowship for a couple of years a long time ago. I have been to Kaneohe, I was stationed at Schofield Barracks.
@@keithelrod777 this so called new view has been around since the Latin vulgate was created.
You mean the conspiracy theories he backs up with the organizations own words?
@@wlonsdale1 it was wickedly perfectly by Darby in 1830. Then Schofield in 1900. Then Lindsey and LaHaye. I don't care when it started though. It's a bunch of garbage.
Pastor’s who don’t teach about prophecy are not worth the time.
So...we believe in spiritual gifts...but you better not actually practice them. What a bummer...
I need to get back to Costa Mesa once this COVID stuff is over.
So never?
@@wlonsdale1 Exactly. Heartbreaking.
I heard stories of the Costa Mesa FD being called out to Chuck Smith's hippy church thinking that the building was on fire ,. Standing in front of the building they still though the building was on 🔥 but not really ???
Things that make you go Hmmmmm?
I remember at several Saturday night concerts, the Costa Mesa FD came in and told folks we were exceeds occupancy limits. Was was during a Phil Keagy concert.
Ray Comfort he was or is in the Calvary Chapel movement. That is what I like about the middle position.The views our similar to Christian @ Missionary Alliance. Yeah the movies were heavily influenced by the Chapel movement.The Church of God and Church of God of Prophecy was similar till the 1990's on females in ministry. I guess that I am soft complimentarian. I could totally fit into Calvary Chapel though I am radical in certain areas.
Ray Comfort was part of the Calvery Chapel movement? Do you have any documentation for that?
@@christopherskipp1525 From what I know he was only invited as a guest speaker. Chuck Smith had no idea he was speaking, it was done without his awareness. I read it in an article a while back.
Sometime talk to Ken Fish about Lonnie Frisbee . He knew him.
I'm slightly impressed Lonnie was mentioned several times. It's progress.
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It's not an enviable position for a Movement to admit it was started by a practicing homosexual, when the Movement is predicated on renouncing sexuality and social liberalism. He probably did the best he could.
@@nathanpriddis412 agree. He was one time at the Calvary Chapel in Denver. Just don't know how well this was known at the time? I am not sure if John Wimber really knew until.much later .? Ken Fish might know as he worked for J. W. And Ken Fish is a great guy. Not a fake.
@@zerosparky9510 I now look at Lonnie as co-founder of both CC and Vineyard. Wimbler would have to have known for years about Lonnie. Nothing could have happened without Lonnie. But, it drove me crazy listening to Lonnie recordings. He did not have a detailed methodical mind. It was tough to piece together narratives and timelines.
This I believe. Lonnie possessed a spirit. It was real. Others wanted it, and to harness the power. They weren't really excited about Lonnie, and where afraid he might melt down, or get out of control. Lonnie lead a tragic life.
I would strongly disagree. 1.LF did not co found CC. In fact, LF left and went to Florida with Bob Mumford & others propagating the Manifestations of the Sons of Gid movement. Btw, I was a lil girl (3) when my parents met Chuck n Kay. BRFORE CC.
@@lisahinojosa2460 Chuck was already Pastor of CC. When he wanted to meet a hippie. Around 1968 or 1969. So who shows up. But Lonnie. Lonnie ended up leaving CC and going to Vineyard
And Lonnie one Sunday evening was given the opportunity to give a message. The message where he prays and asks God. "Come Holy Spirt" and as John Wimber would say. "Whyamo" sorry spelling it wrong. But is on record of what happened thatvnight.
Also never was asked to not raise hands ...I don't think this guy is right..
Calvary Chapel was guilty of several serious problems in the 1990's*: cult like pastor-worship, mental abuse of anyone who didn't agree, an absurd dependency on Chuck Smith's line by line** method (King James only to boot), and a general lukewarm attitude toward the Holy Spirit--midway between Charismatic and Cessationist, that no man's land on noncommittal doctrine. Many churches were planted in college areas so that attendees would be unschooled and easy to bring in.
For the longest time, they claimed to not be a denomination, yet even had a logo, a dove. They maintain a website to this day, and have more qualifications of a denomination than many other groups of synods, conventions, and loose forms of hierarchy. This is just disingenuous.
Today, one can find Jack Hibbs hosting top level conservative political pundits to amens galore in the comments section, and Rob McCoy's patriot-pastor flag wrapped preaching. None of this is seen as out of bounds. Is it encouraged? It's certainly slanted and not specifically New Testament teaching.
Finally, everyone should at least know the basics of the Lonnie Frisbee story, how he influenced Chuck Smith early on, how there was a schism between Chuck and the other more Holy Spirit oriented leaders including John Wimber, founder of the Vineyard movement which spread to England, and Lonnie, who was apparently gay. It seems Chuck washed his hands of Lonnie, who died of AIDS in 1993. There were numerous testimonies of miracles and supernatural signs during Frisbee's ministry, which are not talked about anymore.
*In the early days of the internet there were many exposés of Calvary Chapel, but these have died out and are replaced by nothing but glowing praise. Amen, if praise be worthy.
**scriptural? oh yeah, but not in the way you might think:
"Whom is he trying to teach? To whom is he explaining his message? To infants just weaned from milk? To babies removed from the breast? For it is precept on precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little" (Isaiah 28:10). (The KJV fails to capture the sarcastic tone of this verse, but most other translations have it.)
For anyone who wants 200 plus hours of Chuck Smith going through the King James Version at a snail's pace, it's on UA-cam.
I agree, CC were 'in the middle of nowhere', this guy is ridiculous !
@@DoriLaPadat Sister in Christ Dori, thanks for your reply to this old comment, one of my first. The truth about CC is coming out now, with an official movie starring Kelsey Grammar and some more truthful documentaries about the California Jesus Movement, including much eyewitness testimony to the miracles done through the ministry of Lonnie Frisbee. Too long CC has controlled this narrative.
May revelation, peace, joy, mercy, good fruits, and power in the Gospel through the graces of the Holy Spirit be always present with you and your loved ones, according to the promise:
"Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, you and your house."
@@duncescotus2342 Yes & Amen/just saw the movie!
@@DoriLaPadat Ok, yeah, I haven't seen it, but I heard that Lonnie's miracles were not mentioned. That's essentially lying. However, there are many people posting old sermons and testimonies so that the man's reputation can be reassessed. I don't take miracles lightly. Pretty much anyone can preach and teach. Even a dunce like me.
@@duncescotus2342 I understand that about Lonnie and I was very upset after I heard about him in a book I read (never heard about him before in church history/been reading God's Generals, etc)and then saw the movie/but the movie shows only 4-5 yrs timeline of the Jesus ppl movement, from 1968 to about 1973, right up to the time when Lonnie left for Florida. But, to me Lonnie seemed the most impacting character even in this movie and they did show that he was the catalyst for the Jesus movement. I recommend seeing this movie!
Heretic calvery chapel chuck smiths led me to the true church founded by Jesus Christ " the one holy catholic apostolic Church.
@Remnant/ don't believe everything you hear!
The Remnant Radio. "and they shall make merchendise of you" Why are you supporting sectarianism? ie. i follow paul i follow apollos. please show me biblical example of what your doing?
I understand Chuck was ordained as a 4 square minister after graduating
calvary chapel was birthed out of a violation of biblical precept! carful study of biblical new testament church, clearly shows that if some one went to a new geographical area they became a part of the existing church in that area. they did not start their own local assembly. notice jesus addressed 7 churches. not 37 diffrent churches in the same geographical area. it was one church in one geographical area. the reason people go to a new area and start a new church more often than not is they are not allowed to promote their brand or new sect of the christian faith with in the local assembly they left. notice paul when he visited jeruselem, he did not start a new church or local assembly he yeilded to peter and served under him. the only examples of any one going to a new area and starting a local church was if there was NOT one there already. the practice of people comming to a new geographical area to them and starting a new church has brought in much error and devisivness and divisions among the body, sectarianisim is what it is. the apostle paul strictly forbid that. if the root is wrong one must aske what else is wrong. things like this has alowed for and fed the rise in false prophets and false teachers. notice, out of the mouth speaks the heart. "calvary chapel movement" this is a movement of a sect promoting their brand of the faith. not a move of the spirit.
Sooo...which church was first established in my town so I can go there and avoid sectarianism? I understand your premise, but if the first church established in your hometown was back in 1780 is now apostate, then what?
How do you know it was just one physical church in these areas and not several small congregations in a general area?
@@michaelgregory6384 all one has to do is read jesus coments in revelation. he states to the church in....., notice its not churches in ......, also notice pauls writings to say the epheisians. he also did not say churches.
@@michaelgregory6384 i would reccomend doing exactly as the apostle paul would do
WELL SAID!!!! Agree 💯